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Vandaag had ik 20 tomaten gekocht en in stukken gesneden met kruiden en knoflook in de oven gemikt. Na twee uur lekker sudderen heb ik het zaakje gepureerd en met macaroni opgegeten. Dat was echt ontzettend lekker! Sterker: het was de lekkerste saus die ik ooit op mijn macaroni geproefd heb.

Maar het maakt me wel benieuwd hoe je het eigenlijk écht hoort. Dit was een klein experiment en geslaagd, maar er is vast nog een mogelijkheid om het nog lekkerder te krijgen.

Heeft iemand tips voor mij om het zaakje te upgraden?
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In echte bolognese-saus moet in ieder geval gehakt zitten
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KRIJG ER HONGER VAN IK GA SLAPEN.. bedankt hoor.
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Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 01:40 schreef TheBackpacker het volgende:
In echte bolognese-saus moet in ieder geval gehakt zitten
volgens mij juist niet. Maar wat maakt het uit? Doe mij maar gewoon lekkere bolognese saus
Dance into the fire, to fatal sounds of broken dreams...
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[ Bericht 42% gewijzigd door BrandBierMaaktGelukkig op 06-01-2009 11:43:12 ]
  † In Memoriam † dinsdag 6 januari 2009 @ 01:49:22 #6
220133 De_Kardinaal
sapiens sine operibus
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http://it.wikibooks.org/w(...)cette/Ragù_bolognese

Ingredienti

Un ragù tradizionale per quattro persone può essere preparato con:
300 g di polpa di manzo (la cartella che è la parte che divide i polmoni dalle costole)
100 g di pancetta di maiale dolce
mezzo bicchiere di vino rosso (sangiovese secco)
un bicchiere di brodo di carne
5 cucchiai di salsa di pomodoro (triplo o doppio concentrato)
1 cipolla, 1 carota ed 1 costa di sedano, (50 g l'uno, interi)

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Preparazione

Far soffriggere il trito di pancetta e verdure; aggiungere poi la carne di manzo tritata e, dopo una abbondante rosolatura, versare mezzo bicchiere di vino rosso (sangiovese)secco. Ad evaporazione del vino terminata aggiungere la salsa di pomodoro, sale e pepe a piacere, un bicchiere di brodo di carne e continuare la cottura a fuoco basso per un paio d'ore.

Variante moderna: sostituire cartella e pancetta, con carne di manzo più magra e di maiale (ad esempio salsiccia fresca), soffrigendo in due cucchiai di olio extravergine di oliva.
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Upgraden? Parmezaanse kaas erover....?
  dinsdag 6 januari 2009 @ 02:30:15 #8
89287 robber57
Lets go Brandon!
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In Bolognese hoort idd gehakt( en spek/bacon/pancetta), zonder gehakt is het Napolitana.(het verschil tussen die twee is dus gehakt of als je het ruim wilt stellen "vlees")
In bolognese hoort ook eigenlijk niet zo heel veel tomaten te zitten als in napolitana, de meeste mensen houden echter meer van een napolitana saus met gehakt( is dat dan Milanese?)

Voor de Parmesan liefhebbers; probeer als je het kunt kopen eens Pecorino-romano kaas,das zeg maar geiten-parmesan, erg lekker en als je van een sterke/volle oude kaas smaak houd, niet te fijn raspen en royaal strooien.
Als je je pasta niet zo pittig maakt is Pecorino-sardo een betere aangezien de romano nogal heftig smaakt, de sardo is wat milder.

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Bah bolognese, geef mij maar curasaus
Op zondag 9 augustus 2009 00:52 schreef yvonne het volgende:
@remake zet je jezelf er even bij op je banlijstje?
Op zondag 9 augustus 2009 00:53 schreef Remake het volgende:
Nee.
  dinsdag 6 januari 2009 @ 02:49:18 #10
226867 Superfast
Keep on smiling
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  dinsdag 6 januari 2009 @ 09:24:10 #11
72039 Pappie_Culo
Spelen is leuk
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Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 01:49 schreef De_Kardinaal het volgende:
http://it.wikibooks.org/w(...)cette/Ragù_bolognese

Ingredienti

Un ragù tradizionale per quattro persone può essere preparato con:
300 g di polpa di manzo (la cartella che è la parte che divide i polmoni dalle costole)
100 g di pancetta di maiale dolce
mezzo bicchiere di vino rosso (sangiovese secco)
un bicchiere di brodo di carne
5 cucchiai di salsa di pomodoro (triplo o doppio concentrato)
1 cipolla, 1 carota ed 1 costa di sedano, (50 g l'uno, interi)

[modifica]
Preparazione

Far soffriggere il trito di pancetta e verdure; aggiungere poi la carne di manzo tritata e, dopo una abbondante rosolatura, versare mezzo bicchiere di vino rosso (sangiovese)secco. Ad evaporazione del vino terminata aggiungere la salsa di pomodoro, sale e pepe a piacere, un bicchiere di brodo di carne e continuare la cottura a fuoco basso per un paio d'ore.

Variante moderna: sostituire cartella e pancetta, con carne di manzo più magra e di maiale (ad esempio salsiccia fresca), soffrigendo in due cucchiai di olio extravergine di oliva.
Mama mia che originale
Dance into the fire, to fatal sounds of broken dreams...
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Lol, en ik kreeg vroeger pastasaus van poeder En Smak natuurlijk!
De wijze houdt zich op de achtergrond, in werkelijkheid staat hij vooraan
  dinsdag 6 januari 2009 @ 09:56:46 #13
74065 Burdie
Cogito ergo Fok!
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Nog beter wordt het als je eerst de tomaten even schilt .
KuikenGuppy
  dinsdag 6 januari 2009 @ 10:16:57 #14
3869 David
Drum the drums
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bolognesesaus moet bij voorkeur erg lang opstaan zodat de tomaten helemaal uitkoken en de smaken één mooi geheel vormen.

Ik zou het als volgt doen:

uien fijnsnijden en laten sudderen in olijfolie en/of wat boter (niet te hoog vuur). Als die mooi bruin zijn fijngesnipperde knoflook toevoegen, even doorroeren, en het gehakt toevoegen. Het gehakt rul bakken. blussen met een glas rode wijn, rundsbouillon en mooi rijpe tomaten in blokjes gesneden (in deze wintertijd beter bliktomaten of passata gebruiken). Eventueel een paar laurierblaadjes toevoegen. Op laag vuur ongeveer 6uur laten pruttelen.

Uiteraard proeven en eventueel bijkruiden met peper en zout. Serveren met (verse) tagliatelle.

Edit: in sommige traditionele recepten zitten er ook kippenlevers in, pancetta, etc.
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Dat recept verzin je ter plekke! Een Italiaan vermoord je als hij hoort dat je wijn bij je saus mikt in combinatie met tomaten uit blik!
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Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 11:08 schreef JoPiDo het volgende:
Dat recept verzin je ter plekke! Een Italiaan vermoord je als hij hoort dat je wijn bij je saus mikt in combinatie met tomaten uit blik!
Ligt dat dan aan de combinatie? Want weet dat veel Italianen ook zweren bij tomaten uit blik.
Sweet and innocent...
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in het meest recente boek van jamie oliver staan veel tips hiervoor en recepten om de saus te upgraden / aan te passen / basissaus van tomaten etc. te maken. Echt een aanrader.
  dinsdag 6 januari 2009 @ 11:44:39 #18
3869 David
Drum the drums
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Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 11:08 schreef JoPiDo het volgende:
Dat recept verzin je ter plekke! Een Italiaan vermoord je als hij hoort dat je wijn bij je saus mikt in combinatie met tomaten uit blik!
wat een onzin!!!!
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Volgens wikipedia:

"The recipe, issued in 1982 by the Bolognese delegation of Accademia Italiana della Cucina, confines the ingredients to beef, pancetta, onions, carrots, celery, tomato paste, meat broth, red wine, and (optionally) milk or cream. However, different recipes, even in the Bolognese tradition, make use of chopped pork or pork sausage, while chicken or goose liver may be added along with the beef or veal for special occasions, and today many use both butter and olive oil for cooking the Soffritto of small amounts of celery, carrot and onion. Prosciutto, mortadella, or porcini fresh mushrooms when in season may be added to the ragù to further enrich the sauce. Milk is frequently used in the early stages of cooking to render the meat flavors more "delicate" but cream is very rare in the everyday recipe and only a very little would be used. Most agree that the longer Ragù alla Bolognese cooks the better, a 5 or 6 hour simmer is not unusual."
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ok hier is die dan.. de echte, en zeg niet dat het teveel werk is.
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Recipe: Spaghetti Bolognese

Heston Blumenthal's recipe for Spaghetti bolognese.


As you might expect from a classic of the Italian kitchen, this involves no special equipment, just a long, slow simmer to allow the flavours to combine. However, I’ve added in a few things to boost those flavours. Caramelising onions with star anise produces vibrant flavour compounds that really enhance the meaty notes of the sauce, and the oaky quality of the chardonnay complements the sherry vinegar in the tomato compote. Finishing the compote on a high heat captures something of the fried character I enjoyed at Trattoria della Gigina. The use of milk might seem strange but it’s a standard part of many Italian ragù recipes: as it cooks, the proteins and sugars in milk react to give extra flavour and body.

Timing: Once the meat is browned and the caramelised onions are ready (an hour’s work at most) the sauce is virtually left to simmer unattended for 8 hours. Do the prep first thing in the morning and then the day’s your own until it’s time to serve up dinner (especially if you prepare the tomato compote in advance, though even this involves a fairly simple preparation, followed by a slow, carefree simmer). You can even do all the cooking of the Bolognese in advance, then simply warm it through and add the tarragon bouquet garni on the day.

For the sauce base:
125ml extra virgin olive oil
250g oxtail, boned and minced
250g pork shoulder, cut into 1cm cubes
375ml oaked chardonnay
1 star anise
2 large onions (about 450g), finely sliced*
2 large cloves of garlic
2 large onions (about 450g), finely diced
3 large carrots (about 400g), finely diced
3 celery stalks (about 125g), finely diced
250ml whole milk

For the tomato compote:
975g ripe tomatoes
1 tsp salt
200ml extra virgin olive oil
3 large cloves of garlic
1 large onion (about 225g), finely diced
1 heaped tsp coriander seeds
1 star anise
3 cloves
4-5 drops Tabasco
4-5 drops Thai fish sauce
2 tsps Worcestershire sauce
1 heaped tbsp tomato ketchup
30ml sherry vinegar
1 bouquet garni (consisting of 7 sprigs of
fresh thyme and 1 fresh bay leaf)
F or the finished spaghetti Bolognese:
1 batch of tomato compote
100g good quality spaghetti per person
sherry vinegar, to taste
Parmesan cheese (Parmigiano Reggiano)
1 bouquet garni (in a sheet of leek, wrap 6
tarragon leaves, 4 sprigs of parsley and
the leaves from the top of a bunch of
celery)
unsalted butter
extra virgin olive oil
salt and freshly ground black pepper

Preparing the Sauce Base
Place a large, heavy-bottomed frying pan over a medium heat for 5 minutes. Crush the star anise and bag it up in a square of muslin. Add this to the pan, along with 25ml oil and the sliced onions. Cook for 20 minutes, or until the onions are soft and caramelised, stirring occasionally. Set aside.

2. Meanwhile, preheat another large, heavybottomed frying pan over a low heat for 5 minutes. Mince the garlic. Pour 50ml oil into the pan, then tip in the garlic, onions, carrots and celery and cook this soffritto over a medium- low heat for about 20 minutes, or until the raw onion smell has gone. Transfer the soffritto to a bowl and wipe clean the pan.

3. Place the pan over a high heat for 10 minutes. Pour in 50ml olive oil and wait until it starts smoking: it must be hot enough so the meat browns rather than stews. Add the cubed pork and the minced oxtail. Stir until browned all over. (To brown properly, all the meat has to touch the surface of the pan. If it doesn’t, do it in batches.) Tip the browned meat into a sieve over a bowl (to allow the fat to drain off), then transfer the meat to a large pot or casserole. Deglaze the pan by adding a splash of wine, bringing it to the boil, and then scraping the base of the pan to collect all the tasty bits stuck to the bottom. Once the liquid has reduced by half, pour it into the large pot containing the meat.

4. Remove the bag of star anise from the caramelised onions and then tip the onions into the large pot containing the meat. Add the remaining wine and deglaze the frying pan (as in step 3). When the wine has reduced by half, pour it into the large pot. Add the soffritto to the pot as well.

5. Place the pot of Bolognese over a very low heat. Pour in the milk and enough water to cover entirely, and simmer very gently without a lid for 6 hours, stirring occasionally. At all times the ingredients should be covered by the liquid, so be prepared to add more water. (Don’t worry if the milk becomes slightly granular: it won’t affect the end result.)

Preparing The Tomato Compote
1. Bring a large pan of water to the boil. Fill a large bowl with ice-cold water. Remove the cores from the tomatoes with a paring knife. Blanch the tomatoes by dropping them into the boiling water for 10 seconds and then carefully removing them to the bowl of ice-cold water. Take them out of the water immediately and peel off the split skins. (If the tomatoes are not ripe enough, make a cross with a sharp knife in the underside of each, to encourage the skins to come away. They can be left in the hot water for an extra 10 seconds or so, but it’s important that they don’t overheat and begin to cook.)

2. Cut the tomatoes in half vertically. Scoop out the seeds and the membrane with a teaspoon, over a chopping board. Roughly chop the seeds and membrane, then tip them into a sieve over a bowl. Sprinkle over the salt and leave for 20 minutes to extract their juice, after which you can discard the seeds and membrane, reserving only the juice. 3. Roughly chop the tomato flesh and set aside.

4. Meanwhile, place a large, heavy-bottomed pan over a low heat. Add 100ml of the olive oil. Mince the garlic, then put it into the pan along with the onion. Cook for 10–15 minutes, until soft but not coloured.

5. Crush the coriander and put it in a muslin bag, along with the star anise and the cloves. Add it to the softened onions and garlic.

6.Take the juice drawn from the tomato seeds and membrane and add it to the onions and garlic along with the tomato flesh.

7. Add the Tabasco, fish sauce, Worcestershire sauce, tomato ketchup and sherry vinegar. Drop in the bouquet garni and cook over a low heat for 2 hours.

8. To add a roasted note to the compote, add the remaining oil and turn up the heat to high. Fry the compote for 15–20 minutes, stirring regularly to make sure it doesn’t catch, then pour off any olive oil not absorbed by the compote. Set aside a little to coat the cooked pasta. ( The rest can be stored in a jar and makes a great base for a salad dressing. The compote itself will keep in the fridge for a week.)

Cooking The Spaghetti Bolognese
1. Stir the tomato compote (including the bag of spices) into the Bolognese sauce and cook over a very low heat for a final 2 hours, stirring occasionally.

2. Bring a large pot of salted water to the boil for the pasta. For every 100g of pasta, you’ll need 1 litre of water and 10g salt. (If you don’t have a large enough pan it’s essential to use two pans rather than overcrowd one.)

3. Put the spaghetti into the pan, give it a stir, then bring back to the boil and cook until the pasta is just tender but with a bite. Check the cooking time on the packet and use that as a guideline, but taste it every few minutes as this is the only way to judge when the pasta is ready.

4. Before taking the Bolognese sauce off the heat, check the seasoning and then add some sherry vinegar (tasting as you go) to balance the richness of the sauce. Add a generous grating of Parmesan (but not too much, as it can make the sauce overly salty) and remove the sauce from the heat. Take out the original thyme and bay bouquet garni and the bag of spices. Replace these with the parsley and tarragon bouquet garni, stir in 100g of unsalted butter and let the sauce stand for 5 minutes.

5. Once the pasta is cooked, drain, and rinse it thoroughly. Return to the pot to warm through. (Since the ragù is not going to be mixed with the pasta, it needs to be rinsed to prevent it becoming starchy and sticking together.) Add a generous knob of butter (about 50g per 400g of pasta) and coat with olive oil and the reserved oil from the final frying of the compote. To serve, wind portions of pasta around a carving fork and lay them horizontally in wide, shallow bowls. Top with the Bolognese sauce and finish with a grating of Parmesan.
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Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 11:44 schreef David het volgende:

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wat een onzin!!!!


vermoorden gaat inderdaad wel erg ver
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Volgt topic. Ben benieuwd naar de recepten.
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Komt -ie maar weer eens: pastasaus.

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Heston's recepten.
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Italianen vinden overigens dat bolognese saus te goed is om over de spaghetti te gooien
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