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quote:Op woensdag 8 december 2010 14:49 schreef rubje het volgende:
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preciesen met Wikileaks wordt dat andermaal onderschreven hoe hypocriet die yanks eigenlijk zijn.
Je denkt dat Chinezen anders zijn??
idd die naieviteit. Ik denk dat de Chinezen nog wel erger zijn. Hoeven immers geen verantwoording af te leggen.quote:Op woensdag 8 december 2010 20:04 schreef Swetsenegger het volgende:
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Outlook 2011 & the Next Decade: China, Is The Smart Money Right?
By Dian L. Chu, EconForecast
China has been ranked as the top growing country among the G20 since 2001 and is expected to retain that title for at least another five years (See Growth Chart). However, the news coming out of China for the past three months has not been good. It is looking more and more that it is not a question of if China is a bubble and going to burst, but when.
The country has major infrastructure issues, troubling population dynamics, poorly aligned employment outcomes, inflation problems, a real estate bubble, an opaque and potentially insolvent banking system (had mark-to-market accounting been applied), geo-political problems with North Korea and Taiwan, and an underperforming stock market in 2010 (see stock comparison chart).
Smart Money Rushing Out
While the hot money is flooding into China, the smart local money is doing everything they can to get their money outside of China, which partly explains why Shanghai SE Composite has underperformed other markets for the past year or so (see Comparison Chart).
The many issues of China could conspire to become the biggest train wreck waiting to happen, and potentially dwarf any little budget problems in Europe by a factor of ten.
Big Trouble In Big China
China has a population related societal structural problem. The nation has tried to utilize the vast manpower to its advantage over the last two decades building a powerhouse manufacturing economy through the availability of low cost workers, which supplied the world with lower cost goods.
Nevertheless, the harsh reality is that the nation's infrastructure, quality jobs, food, and overall resources are too scarce to support such mass population, while achieving the government`s goal of a smooth transition to a developed middle class to sustain an internal demand model going forward.
If you think having riots in Greece over the pension retirement age being raised is bad, just wait till riots breaking out in Beijing and other cities over a 90 cent bowl of noodle soup now costing four dollars due to food shortages, and a runaway inflation problem.
Loose Lending = Non-performing Projects
This is only reinforced by some of the news events taking place over the last three months. Let`s start with the raising of banks reserve requirements by the central bank, which is the sixth such increase in 2010.
These measures are meant to curb the excess lending which has fueled much of the overbuilding and real estate speculation occurred over the past two years as China`s central bank initially wanted to avert a recession by artificially creating demand for workers and construction projects to replace lagging demand from the developed economies.
The problem is that too much lending has occurred, and bad lending at that. Because of the cheap available credit, now you have cement companies and manufacturing firms getting bank loans to invest in endeavors such as real estate, which is outside of their core expertise and competency.
Real Estate Misery Loves Company – China & Spain
The result is a bunch of excess inventory and poorly thought-out construction projects which have no means of recouping the initial investment needed to repay the bank loans.
This practice is similar to Spain`s situation now where they have entire uninhabited building complexes that have yet to be marked to market, and will probably ultimately be demolished. But at least in Spain, even though it was a construction boom, it was engineered by developers in Spain, and not by some manufacturing outfits like those in China.
So, multiply the bad business project factor by ten and you get an understanding of the magnitude of bad loans on the books of Chinese banks. The problem is being further exacerbated by the practice similar to Spain`s of banks making additional loans to the businesses just so that they can then turnaround and pay back the interest owed on the original loans.
The only way this would work out is if these projects magically develop revenue streams. Unfortunately, in the case of Spain, a 20% unemployment rate, coupled with a still overvalued housing market in which prices still need to come down significantly, would suggest that by the time the Spanish economy recovers enough to support the excess inventory, the abandoned projects are run down and uninhabitable.
A similar scenario could play out in China as well.
True Smart Money Wary of the Write-off Domino
Furthermore, China`s practice of overbuilding at the height of real estate valuations makes even haircuts on loan write-offs an untenable practice for banks, and by further throwing good money after bad, the ultimate mark- to-market effect could be catastrophic for Chinese Banks.
This is the main reason all the major Chinese banks have gone to the market in 2010 to raise more capital before investors wise up to the underlying deficits these banks face, as these bad loans eventually would need to be written off the books.
Victor Shih, a Northwestern University professor estimates that Chinese local governments borrowed some 11.4 trillion renminbi at the end of 2009, and that local government financing loans to be roughly one-third of China's 2009 GDP.
Shih reckons the most likely scenario over the next few years is that there would be increases of non-performing loans ratio from local governments. This would require a large scale of recapitalization of the Chinese banking system, which would eat up a large share of China's foreign exchange reserves and possibly slow down growth.
I do believe Beijing is quite capable of a few bailouts and surviving a widespread banking crisis, but this most definitely will not bode well for the financial markets. That's most likely why you see insiders removing capital from direct exposure to the inevitable re-pricing that will happen throughout Chinese markets from real estate to the stock market.
This can be seen at this early stage by the underperformance of the Chinese stock market compared to other global markets. Remember, foreigners cannot invest directly in these markets, so these capital outflows are truly the smart money.
Logistic Gridlock Crimping the Middle Class
Next let`s look at the recent news regarding a severe cutback in automobile registrations in Beijing to 240,000 in 2011 from 700,000 registered in 2010 by the municipal government. Other large cities in China are bound to follow. This is most likely related to the reported 9-day traffic jam on the Beijing-Tibet expressway in August, and other extended traffic jams throughout China in 2010.
China is trying to build infrastructure projects after the fact; whereas with proper central planning these should have been established far ahead of the massive transition from a rural, agricultural based populous to that of a modern, large city based business and manufacturing concentration.
Simply put, it is impossible for all the Chinese citizens who want and can afford automobiles to be able to own and utilize this form of transport without a total breakdown in the transportation system. We are seeing the early stages of complete and counterproductive gridlock in the transportation system of China, and it is only going to get worse over the next decade.
No Jobs for College Grads
For all the talk about how China graduates more engineers each year, and other college educated young people who have strong backgrounds in the hard sciences than most developed nations combined, this is actually another sign of problems to come over the next decade in China.
China`s wealth and emergence into the second largest business economy hasn`t been built around the need for these types of mind and skill set. So literally you have a large mismatch between the types of available jobs in China, that are supported by the heavy manufacturing and construction intensive focus of the past twenty years, to that of the recently educated pool of graduates who have grown in sizable numbers over the past five years.
The Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Waste
This results in a large human asset class that China is currently wasting, as most of the newly educated workforce is working in jobs which require little or no advanced education at the university level. So you have highly educated university graduates in areas like engineering and accounting working low level service and sales jobs that pay less than many manufacturing jobs.
In short, there are too many highly educated Chinese citizens graduating each year for the number of jobs available needing their skill set because China`s economic model isn`t built around these type of jobs. This type of misaligned employment outcomes never ends well; it usually manifests itself in increased civil and social unrest.
8% Inflation in 2011
The next major challenge for China is a skyrocketing inflation, which at its root is the fact that there are too many people chasing too few resources. This fundamental flaw in population dynamics underpins many of the problems that China faces going forward.
Recent CPI data for November illustrates the inflation problem in China with a reading of 5.1% from a year ago comparison, this is up from a 4.4% reading for the previous month. Couple this with the latest 4% hike in fuel prices in China because of rising oil prices, you could expect future CPI and PPI reports to reflect even higher rates of inflation.
For now, most of the year over year spike has revolved around higher food prices as energy has mainly been flat for 2010 thanks mostly to government subsidies. Now that energy prices have entered the picture, China will start to experience even more inflation pressures in 2011.
Furthermore, with the undervalued yuan pegged to the dollar, it is only getting worse for China in 2011 due to Fed's QE2 pressures on the dollar. The real inflation rate for Chinese citizens for 2011 will probably approach 8% next year.
An Asian Contagion by China?
This escalating inflation concern is further compounded by Beijing's lack of decisive action to combat the problem by delaying a much needed currency appreciation, and hiking interest rates in a timely fashion. There is no getting around the fact that these two things need to occur as soon as possible.
By the time the Chinese government is forced to implement these tightening tools, the damage to the economy is most likely already done. The longer China delays the inevitable serious tightening measures, the harder the economic crash that will occur in the aftermath of these policy changes. And it is unlikely to end well. The resultant impact will probably take the rest of the Asian economies down with it – an Asian Contagion scenario.
History Repeats Itself
Eventually central planners and finance ministers around the world might start to understand that policies which lead to bubbles being formed in the first place are counterproductive in the long run. But until that lesson is learned, it seems like we are doomed to repeat the same mistakes over and over again.
Right now, there are more and more signs coming out of China that all is not well with its economy, and the likelihood of a more severe downturn in the future is a distinct possibility, unless its policy makers take decisive and prudent actions to minimize the damage of a hard landing.
By Dian L. Chu, EconForecast
China has been ranked as the top growing country among the G20 since 2001 and is expected to retain that title for at least another five years (See Growth Chart). However, the news coming out of China for the past three months has not been good. It is looking more and more that it is not a question of if China is a bubble and going to burst, but when.
The country has major infrastructure issues, troubling population dynamics, poorly aligned employment outcomes, inflation problems, a real estate bubble, an opaque and potentially insolvent banking system (had mark-to-market accounting been applied), geo-political problems with North Korea and Taiwan, and an underperforming stock market in 2010 (see stock comparison chart).
Smart Money Rushing Out
While the hot money is flooding into China, the smart local money is doing everything they can to get their money outside of China, which partly explains why Shanghai SE Composite has underperformed other markets for the past year or so (see Comparison Chart).
The many issues of China could conspire to become the biggest train wreck waiting to happen, and potentially dwarf any little budget problems in Europe by a factor of ten.
Big Trouble In Big China
China has a population related societal structural problem. The nation has tried to utilize the vast manpower to its advantage over the last two decades building a powerhouse manufacturing economy through the availability of low cost workers, which supplied the world with lower cost goods.
Nevertheless, the harsh reality is that the nation's infrastructure, quality jobs, food, and overall resources are too scarce to support such mass population, while achieving the government`s goal of a smooth transition to a developed middle class to sustain an internal demand model going forward.
If you think having riots in Greece over the pension retirement age being raised is bad, just wait till riots breaking out in Beijing and other cities over a 90 cent bowl of noodle soup now costing four dollars due to food shortages, and a runaway inflation problem.
Loose Lending = Non-performing Projects
This is only reinforced by some of the news events taking place over the last three months. Let`s start with the raising of banks reserve requirements by the central bank, which is the sixth such increase in 2010.
These measures are meant to curb the excess lending which has fueled much of the overbuilding and real estate speculation occurred over the past two years as China`s central bank initially wanted to avert a recession by artificially creating demand for workers and construction projects to replace lagging demand from the developed economies.
The problem is that too much lending has occurred, and bad lending at that. Because of the cheap available credit, now you have cement companies and manufacturing firms getting bank loans to invest in endeavors such as real estate, which is outside of their core expertise and competency.
Real Estate Misery Loves Company – China & Spain
The result is a bunch of excess inventory and poorly thought-out construction projects which have no means of recouping the initial investment needed to repay the bank loans.
This practice is similar to Spain`s situation now where they have entire uninhabited building complexes that have yet to be marked to market, and will probably ultimately be demolished. But at least in Spain, even though it was a construction boom, it was engineered by developers in Spain, and not by some manufacturing outfits like those in China.
So, multiply the bad business project factor by ten and you get an understanding of the magnitude of bad loans on the books of Chinese banks. The problem is being further exacerbated by the practice similar to Spain`s of banks making additional loans to the businesses just so that they can then turnaround and pay back the interest owed on the original loans.
The only way this would work out is if these projects magically develop revenue streams. Unfortunately, in the case of Spain, a 20% unemployment rate, coupled with a still overvalued housing market in which prices still need to come down significantly, would suggest that by the time the Spanish economy recovers enough to support the excess inventory, the abandoned projects are run down and uninhabitable.
A similar scenario could play out in China as well.
True Smart Money Wary of the Write-off Domino
Furthermore, China`s practice of overbuilding at the height of real estate valuations makes even haircuts on loan write-offs an untenable practice for banks, and by further throwing good money after bad, the ultimate mark- to-market effect could be catastrophic for Chinese Banks.
This is the main reason all the major Chinese banks have gone to the market in 2010 to raise more capital before investors wise up to the underlying deficits these banks face, as these bad loans eventually would need to be written off the books.
Victor Shih, a Northwestern University professor estimates that Chinese local governments borrowed some 11.4 trillion renminbi at the end of 2009, and that local government financing loans to be roughly one-third of China's 2009 GDP.
Shih reckons the most likely scenario over the next few years is that there would be increases of non-performing loans ratio from local governments. This would require a large scale of recapitalization of the Chinese banking system, which would eat up a large share of China's foreign exchange reserves and possibly slow down growth.
I do believe Beijing is quite capable of a few bailouts and surviving a widespread banking crisis, but this most definitely will not bode well for the financial markets. That's most likely why you see insiders removing capital from direct exposure to the inevitable re-pricing that will happen throughout Chinese markets from real estate to the stock market.
This can be seen at this early stage by the underperformance of the Chinese stock market compared to other global markets. Remember, foreigners cannot invest directly in these markets, so these capital outflows are truly the smart money.
Logistic Gridlock Crimping the Middle Class
Next let`s look at the recent news regarding a severe cutback in automobile registrations in Beijing to 240,000 in 2011 from 700,000 registered in 2010 by the municipal government. Other large cities in China are bound to follow. This is most likely related to the reported 9-day traffic jam on the Beijing-Tibet expressway in August, and other extended traffic jams throughout China in 2010.
China is trying to build infrastructure projects after the fact; whereas with proper central planning these should have been established far ahead of the massive transition from a rural, agricultural based populous to that of a modern, large city based business and manufacturing concentration.
Simply put, it is impossible for all the Chinese citizens who want and can afford automobiles to be able to own and utilize this form of transport without a total breakdown in the transportation system. We are seeing the early stages of complete and counterproductive gridlock in the transportation system of China, and it is only going to get worse over the next decade.
No Jobs for College Grads
For all the talk about how China graduates more engineers each year, and other college educated young people who have strong backgrounds in the hard sciences than most developed nations combined, this is actually another sign of problems to come over the next decade in China.
China`s wealth and emergence into the second largest business economy hasn`t been built around the need for these types of mind and skill set. So literally you have a large mismatch between the types of available jobs in China, that are supported by the heavy manufacturing and construction intensive focus of the past twenty years, to that of the recently educated pool of graduates who have grown in sizable numbers over the past five years.
The Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Waste
This results in a large human asset class that China is currently wasting, as most of the newly educated workforce is working in jobs which require little or no advanced education at the university level. So you have highly educated university graduates in areas like engineering and accounting working low level service and sales jobs that pay less than many manufacturing jobs.
In short, there are too many highly educated Chinese citizens graduating each year for the number of jobs available needing their skill set because China`s economic model isn`t built around these type of jobs. This type of misaligned employment outcomes never ends well; it usually manifests itself in increased civil and social unrest.
8% Inflation in 2011
The next major challenge for China is a skyrocketing inflation, which at its root is the fact that there are too many people chasing too few resources. This fundamental flaw in population dynamics underpins many of the problems that China faces going forward.
Recent CPI data for November illustrates the inflation problem in China with a reading of 5.1% from a year ago comparison, this is up from a 4.4% reading for the previous month. Couple this with the latest 4% hike in fuel prices in China because of rising oil prices, you could expect future CPI and PPI reports to reflect even higher rates of inflation.
For now, most of the year over year spike has revolved around higher food prices as energy has mainly been flat for 2010 thanks mostly to government subsidies. Now that energy prices have entered the picture, China will start to experience even more inflation pressures in 2011.
Furthermore, with the undervalued yuan pegged to the dollar, it is only getting worse for China in 2011 due to Fed's QE2 pressures on the dollar. The real inflation rate for Chinese citizens for 2011 will probably approach 8% next year.
An Asian Contagion by China?
This escalating inflation concern is further compounded by Beijing's lack of decisive action to combat the problem by delaying a much needed currency appreciation, and hiking interest rates in a timely fashion. There is no getting around the fact that these two things need to occur as soon as possible.
By the time the Chinese government is forced to implement these tightening tools, the damage to the economy is most likely already done. The longer China delays the inevitable serious tightening measures, the harder the economic crash that will occur in the aftermath of these policy changes. And it is unlikely to end well. The resultant impact will probably take the rest of the Asian economies down with it – an Asian Contagion scenario.
History Repeats Itself
Eventually central planners and finance ministers around the world might start to understand that policies which lead to bubbles being formed in the first place are counterproductive in the long run. But until that lesson is learned, it seems like we are doomed to repeat the same mistakes over and over again.
Right now, there are more and more signs coming out of China that all is not well with its economy, and the likelihood of a more severe downturn in the future is a distinct possibility, unless its policy makers take decisive and prudent actions to minimize the damage of a hard landing.
Escaping from a liquidity trap may be impossible, much like light trapped in a black hole.
Op zaterdag 19 november 2011 13:27 schreef Perrin het volgende: En net als van voetbal, heeft iedereen verstand van macro-economie
Op zaterdag 19 november 2011 13:27 schreef Perrin het volgende: En net als van voetbal, heeft iedereen verstand van macro-economie
Ze verhogen de rente ook, dat kan nog interessant worden. 
Escaping from a liquidity trap may be impossible, much like light trapped in a black hole.
Op zaterdag 19 november 2011 13:27 schreef Perrin het volgende: En net als van voetbal, heeft iedereen verstand van macro-economie
Op zaterdag 19 november 2011 13:27 schreef Perrin het volgende: En net als van voetbal, heeft iedereen verstand van macro-economie
Ik kwam ergens deze link tegen, iemand die actief geweest is met google earth en lege chinese steden heeft gezocht.
http://www.businessinside(...)ities-2010-12?slop=1
http://www.businessinside(...)ities-2010-12?slop=1
Tsja, de overheid legt targets op dat de economie jaarlijks 12% ofzo moet groeien en dat kunnen ze alleen maar bereiken door te blijven bouwen. Of je die gebouwen nu nodig hebt of niet.
"If you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans"
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Daarnaast wil elke provinciebobo het beter doen dan zijn concurrent, dus worden er ook zelf opgelegde targets bovenop die van het centrale planburo gelegd.
Wat tot gevolg heeft dat de ene provincie met de andere concurreert ipv met het buitenland en ze nu bijvoorbeeld enorme overcapaciteit hebben in pc assemblage.
Wat tot gevolg heeft dat de ene provincie met de andere concurreert ipv met het buitenland en ze nu bijvoorbeeld enorme overcapaciteit hebben in pc assemblage.
'Chinese economie riskeert harde landing'
AMSTERDAM - De Chinese economie leunt te veel op investeringen in vastgoed, wat na 2013 'een harde landing kan veroorzaken'.
Foto: NU.nl/Chris Heijmans
Dat stelt econoom Nouriel Roubini, die als een van de weinigen ook de wereldwijde economische crisis wist te voorspellen.
De investeringen in China zijn gestegen tot 50 procent van het bruto binnenlands product. "Dat betekent dat je uiteindelijk twee problemen zult hebben: kredieten die niet functioneren en een enorme overcapaciteit", aldus Roubini zaterdag in Singapore, zo meldt Bloomberg.
Bankencrisis
Eerder berekende kredietbeoordelingsbureau Fitch Ratings al dat China zestig procent kans heeft op een bankencrisis halverwege 2013, als gevolg van de hoeveelheid leningen en stijgende vastgoedprijzen.
Ondanks door de overheid ingestelde prijzenplafonds, hogere kredieteisen voor banken en een beperking van de aankoop van tweede huizen staan de vastgoedprijzen op recordhoogte.
Maatregelen
Volgens Roubini moeten de autoriteiten maatregelen nemen om de prijzen te controleren, de rente verder op te voeren en inflatie tegen te gaan.
"De beleidsuitdaging voor volgend jaar is om de groei van acht tot negen procent te handhaven en de inflatie te verminderen", aldus Roubini. "Na volgend jaar is de grotere uitdaging om investeringen in vaste activa en spaartegoeden te beperken en consumptie te verhogen."
De econoom zei verder dat er bewijs is voor een verdere vertraging van de wereldwijde economische groei en dat de olieprijs kan oplopen tot wel 150 dollar per vat, als de onrust in olieproducerende naties blijft bestaan.
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China is er nog niet..... nog lange niet.
AMSTERDAM - De Chinese economie leunt te veel op investeringen in vastgoed, wat na 2013 'een harde landing kan veroorzaken'.
Foto: NU.nl/Chris Heijmans
Dat stelt econoom Nouriel Roubini, die als een van de weinigen ook de wereldwijde economische crisis wist te voorspellen.
De investeringen in China zijn gestegen tot 50 procent van het bruto binnenlands product. "Dat betekent dat je uiteindelijk twee problemen zult hebben: kredieten die niet functioneren en een enorme overcapaciteit", aldus Roubini zaterdag in Singapore, zo meldt Bloomberg.
Bankencrisis
Eerder berekende kredietbeoordelingsbureau Fitch Ratings al dat China zestig procent kans heeft op een bankencrisis halverwege 2013, als gevolg van de hoeveelheid leningen en stijgende vastgoedprijzen.
Ondanks door de overheid ingestelde prijzenplafonds, hogere kredieteisen voor banken en een beperking van de aankoop van tweede huizen staan de vastgoedprijzen op recordhoogte.
Maatregelen
Volgens Roubini moeten de autoriteiten maatregelen nemen om de prijzen te controleren, de rente verder op te voeren en inflatie tegen te gaan.
"De beleidsuitdaging voor volgend jaar is om de groei van acht tot negen procent te handhaven en de inflatie te verminderen", aldus Roubini. "Na volgend jaar is de grotere uitdaging om investeringen in vaste activa en spaartegoeden te beperken en consumptie te verhogen."
De econoom zei verder dat er bewijs is voor een verdere vertraging van de wereldwijde economische groei en dat de olieprijs kan oplopen tot wel 150 dollar per vat, als de onrust in olieproducerende naties blijft bestaan.
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China is er nog niet..... nog lange niet.
China zal niet zo maar uithalen richting de Amerikaanse dollar en de Verenigde Staten van Noord-Amerika. Alles heeft bij China een dubbele agenda en ik zou,hoe mooi het ook allemaal klinkt,niet teveel op het China concept inzetten want als er iets is wat de afgelopen tientallen jaren wel is gebleken dan is dat de Amerikaanse economie er altijd weer bovenop komt.quote:Op maandag 8 december 2008 08:22 schreef Netstorm het volgende:
Indd.. als ze hun marktpositie kwijtraken en verovereren ze het maar weer terug met nuke's. Zijn net kleine kinderen op de basisschool die de baas willen blijven
Big fat bubble.quote:Moody's: schuld $540 miljard onderschat, gevaar voor Chinese banken
De schuld van lokale overheden ligt 3,5 biljoen yuan, of $540 miljard, hoger dan accountants hadden geschat. Dat kan banken met veel grotere verliezen opzadelen, hetgeen hun ratings in gevaar kan brengen.
Is Wall St. te koop denk je?quote:Op zondag 26 oktober 2008 07:54 schreef LXIV het volgende:
Als China slim is doen ze niet moeilijk maar kopen gewoon Wallstreet op. + de AEX. Daar hebben ze toch veel meer aan!
Je kan je ook afvragen of je wel boos moet zijn...quote:
Heb het eerste artilel gelezen, op zich wel bekend maar toch de moeite waard van het lezen
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dit wist ik niet en verbaasd me dan ook.
Je kan je afvragen op wie je boos moet zijn: op de USA omdat ze slim gebruik maken van hun dollar. Of de sukkels die slaafs achter die dollar aan blijven lopen. Geef de amerikanen eens ongelijk.
Dat de Chinese munt niet internationaal verhandelbaar is heeft trouwens een goede reden.
Jij denkt dat goud ook uit een printer komt?quote:
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en goud is maar goud. Niets anders dan papiergeld eigenlijk.
Je zou je kunnen afvragen of dat dan 'wetenschap' was...quote:
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Wel leuk om te zien, dat je dit nu zegt, ik kan me je strategieen van maanden geleden nog herinneren dat bij een S&P van 1000 of was het 900 een goed instap moment zou zijn met de wetenschap die we toen hadden.
Dat speelt zeker mee. Eigenlijk een soort Marschall-plan II.quote:
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Chinezen doorgronden is een kunst op zich. Ik kan wel een gokje wagen.
Het doet me denken aan een verdeel en heers politiek. China krijgt op deze manier voet aan de grond in Europa (De Atheense haven is niet zo ver van het olierijke middenoosten), zet de Europese Unie met al hun voorwaarden te kakken, en trekt ook nog een kleine lange neus naar Amerika als redder van een natie uit het kamp van de US.
Daarnaast vind China de Amerikaanse hegemonie in de financiële markten via de dollar niet zo prettig, en de euro biedt een mooi alternatief als handelsmunt.
(Collapse van de dollar zonder alternatief zou instorting van de wereldhandel betekenen, vandaar dat de dollar vroeger zoveel gesteund werd.)
Een bubble in China omdat een Amerikaans rating-bureau dat zegt...quote:
Je kan je afvragen hoe waardevol (en objectief) de praatjes van Moody's eigenlijk zijn.
Als je de tekst had gelezen werd je duidelijk dat de lokale Chinese overheid de laatste jaren een schuld van 2,2 triljoen dollar heeft opgebouwd! En dat is waarschijnlijk nog meer door boekhoudkundige regels! Dat Moodys dat rapporteerd doet er niet toe.quote:
Een bubble in China omdat een Amerikaans rating-bureau dat zegt...
Je kan je afvragen hoe waardevol (en objectief) de praatjes van Moody's eigenlijk zijn.
De Chinese overheid stuurt hier natuurlijk op aan om een bepaalde economische groei te behouden. Je kunt je vraagtekens zetten hoe veel van die groei duurzaam is en welke gevolgen het heeft voor de toekomst. Naast die schuldenexplosie zijn er meer onevenwichtigheden in de Chinese economie te vinden (o.a. in dit topic genoemd), die nooit duurzaam kunnen zijn en toekomstige gevolgen gaan hebben. Een big fat bubble als je het mij vraagt.
Hoe investeert een Chinees staatsbedrijf (in dit geval een pharmaceut die westerse geneesmiddelen kopieert) het geld dat Beijing hem toeschuift?
Nou, bijvoorbeeld door voor zichzelf een hoofdkantoor uit marmer en goud te bouwen waar Versailles bij verbleekt:
http://chovanec.wordpress.com/2011/09/09/apres-nous-le-deluge/
Nou, bijvoorbeeld door voor zichzelf een hoofdkantoor uit marmer en goud te bouwen waar Versailles bij verbleekt:
http://chovanec.wordpress.com/2011/09/09/apres-nous-le-deluge/
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Hoe investeert een Chinees staatsbedrijf (in dit geval een pharmaceut die westerse geneesmiddelen kopieert) het geld dat Beijing hem toeschuift?
Nou, bijvoorbeeld door voor zichzelf een hoofdkantoor uit marmer en goud te bouwen waar Versailles bij verbleekt:
http://chovanec.wordpress.com/2011/09/09/apres-nous-le-deluge/
Ik ben het ook helemaal eens met die laatste zin:
quote:Personally, it reminds me of the prophetic words attributed to Louis XV, a resident of the original Versailles: ”après nous, le déluge” — or to paraphrase, “when this is over, all hell’s gonna break loose.”
"If you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans"
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http://fd.nl/economie-pol(...)-voor-chinese-importquote:Nieuw record voor Chinese import
De Chinese import bereikte afgelopen maand een recordhoogte, terwijl ook de export beter was dan verwacht. Het handelsoverschot kromp en China lijkt de problemen in Europa en de VS goed te kunnen weerstaan.
De import steeg in augustus met 30,2% ten opzichte van een jaar eerder tot $155,6 mrd. De export groeide met 24,5% iets minder snel, waardoor het handelsoverschot verkleind werd tot $17,76 mrd. In juli was dat nog $31,5 mrd.
Tegelijkertijd nam de inflatie vorige maand af, nadat die op het hoogste punt in drie jaar stond. Volgens persbureau Bloomberg lijkt China erin te slagen de inflatie te beperken zonder de economische groei te smoren. De economie groeit er bovendien behoorlijk, terwijl de VS en Europa worstelen met hun economieën.
Volgens de Amerikaanse bank Citigroup komt de economische groei in China dit jaar uit op 9%, zeker vijf maal hoger dan in de VS of Europa.
Toch pakken die Chinezen dat een stuk beter aan. In Shanghai heeft zelfs het meest lullige station natuurstenen vloeren. In Nederland liggen er 30x30 betontegels in Amsterdam Centraal.quote:
Hoe investeert een Chinees staatsbedrijf (in dit geval een pharmaceut die westerse geneesmiddelen kopieert) het geld dat Beijing hem toeschuift?
Nou, bijvoorbeeld door voor zichzelf een hoofdkantoor uit marmer en goud te bouwen waar Versailles bij verbleekt:
http://chovanec.wordpress.com/2011/09/09/apres-nous-le-deluge/
Het is gewoon China's gouden eeuw! Dan krijg je dat soort dingen. Hebben wij ook gedaan toen het kon.
The End Times are wild
Het is wel duidelijk waar de grondstoffen bubble vandaan komt. En allemaal gefinancierd met bad debt
Ik geloof nog steeds dat de komende crash van China mogelijk de nekslag wordt voor de economie, vooral omdat China de kurk is waar equity en grondstoffen markten nog steeds op drijven. De geringe media coverage suggereert ook dat dit probleem voor veel investeerders een "black swan" gaat worden, net zoals de subprime crisis dat was (ook dat kon je makkelijk zien aankomen, maar werd grotendeels genegeerd).
Ik geloof nog steeds dat de komende crash van China mogelijk de nekslag wordt voor de economie, vooral omdat China de kurk is waar equity en grondstoffen markten nog steeds op drijven. De geringe media coverage suggereert ook dat dit probleem voor veel investeerders een "black swan" gaat worden, net zoals de subprime crisis dat was (ook dat kon je makkelijk zien aankomen, maar werd grotendeels genegeerd).
"If you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans"
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