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Ha ha, in feite erkennen ze dus dat al dat gereis nutteloos was en dat ze de plaats delict links hebben laten liggen., wow....Afijn, het is kennelijk de start naar begin mei, toen Madeleine verdween, ff het publiek opwarmen, de beurzen moeten worden getrokken tenslotte. Zelf gaan ze natuurlijk niet, Kate heeft al eeuwen terug laten weten nooit terug te gaan naar Portugal. Merkwaardig, als je bedenkt dat ze zelf nu denken dat iemand (of meerdere) ter plaatse kennelijk iets moeten weten. Sterker, ze denken dat Madeleine nog leeft. Nee, (cult)leden zullen dat verzorgen: "The campaign will be supported by posters and publicity on three buses and a van. According to members of the “Find Madeleine” fund, the purpose of this action is to collect new depositions that may contribute to the investigation."

En dat terwijl eventuele nuttige informatie aan de politie de zaak heropend kan worden, maar ja, dat willen ze niet echt he, vorig jaar hadden ze zelf een verzoek tot heropening kunnen doen, die datum is stilletjes overschreden met als enige commentaar dat ze daar het nut nu niet van inzagen....

Gerry is wel even onlangs teruggeweest, zeker om die PI's te instrueren. Want nergens in de oproep van nu wordt gemeld dat men ook de politie kan bellen...nee, "It should be stressed that any information given will be treated with the utmost confidence. Information can be given anonymously by telephone, email, text and freepost." Zouden ze een getuige willen intimideren hiermee, dat zou tenslotte niet de eerste keer zijn, al tig mensen werden toen 'bezocht' (die daarna niet meer wilden/konden getuigen) door PI's en rijke stinkerd Brian Kennedy < leeft dat nog?

Anyway, de McConns kunnen nog wat geld 'verdienen' middels een oproep van een Texaanse rijkerd die daar een miljoen dollar voor wil betalen: "if they can answer just one question. I will need to see evidence, either forensic evidence, witness evidence or strong circumstantial evidence that shows the man they want us to believe took their child probably did. If they publish compelling evidence that a man seen by a tourist before they arrived in Portugal, was "Madeleine‘s probable abductor," as they claim on their website, I will gladly give them a million dollars to help find that man.

Even verderop in deze oproep. Als ze de uitdaging niet aangaan: ”If you cannot accept my challenge, others will ask why not. Others will ask why you have lied. Why have you pretended to the public a man probably abducted Madeleine when you have no evidence to support that claim?

Others will know you are a liar. Others will wonder why you lied. I can only think of one reason why you would lie, because you want to create a smokescreen, a diversion from what really happened.

You are collecting money from the public on your website based on the claim that Mrs. Cooper's man probably abducted Madeleine. If you cannot substantiate that claim and it transpires you have lied, you had better pay every cent back to those you have taken money from, because that would make you both a thief and a liar." Het hele verhaal: The McCann Million Dollar Challenge

O ja, alle commentaartjes van lezers staan er nog nav het kritische stukje van Jan Moir in de Daily Mail, eerdere post, qua gedrag e.d.van Gerry McCann, verfrissend. Ik plaats deze maar gewoon, wel bedenkend dat er velen niet worden geplaatst en dus onderstaande schrijfsels ietwat uniek zijn, tuurlijk weten velen dat er tig kluiten belazerd worden, twee positieve reactries weggelaten, die waren te voorspelbaar:
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* Thank you so much for your article about Gerry McCann. So many of us have exactly the same views about him. Sarah James, Wiltshire

* very good article about gerry maccann,bravo, at least some one has the guts to say what a lot of people are thinking.more please uk veiwer, london,

* This is the first time I read an unbiased report about the McCanns in the British press. Congrats on your courage.swifty, Lisbon, PT

* Thank you Jan for your article concerning Mr McCann. It is like a breath of fresh air and I for one hope we can have more of your input on this subject in the future.Stella, Kent, UK

* great article about gerry mccann, m, manchester

* Well written article, I too would like to hear more. The bit about the red carpet summed up my feelings when watching them in news pieces and documentaries.Jennifer, Huddersfield UK

* To echo the sentiments already expressed - Bravo!
What a breath of fresh air to read such insightful and well thought opinions. The other sycophants in journalism will hopefully follow your lead with regards to Gerry McCann. BrainFreeze, England

* At last an article that says it like it is. The British public are longing for their journalists to dig beneath the surface and show some grit. More of the same and I might begin buying papers again. Well done Jan Moir! P Lane, Oxford, UK

* About time we had an article that's not fawning over Gerry. Well done! Great article. My faith in the British press is being restored.kellyanna, GA US

* Well done Jan Moir !! Your article on Gerry McCann and his complaints was the first balanced piece I`ve have seen over the last two years of McCann media reporting. Its so lovely to see a piece that wasn`t generated by Clarence Mitchell for a change !! Macy, Redhill

* Well said, Jan, and it's high time somebody said it. The Famous Grouse, Scotland

* Ah, at long last. The journalists begin to see the light and give us something decent to read. Newspaper sales should rise if this continues. Thank You very much for this article. sharon, RCT

* Great piece about G McCann...you said what most are thinking...well done! Kayla, Fermanagh NI,

* Thank you Jan for stating in print what many of us would like to about Mr McCann and his hypocrisy - the Press were not responsible for Madeleine's disappearance.Ellen, Leics

* Well done Jan. That was the best article I have read in 2 years about Gerry McCann. I have been waiting on a male reporter, looks like they have none ..Bravo Bravo Bravo Jan lori, Belfast

* Thanks for this interesting article about Gerry McCann. Many people, I am sure, will agree wholeheartledly with you.Judy, Barrow-in-Fruness, Cumbria,

* Excellent article about Gerry McCann. Barrow-in-Furness, Cumbria,

* At last someone who has the courage to say what so many of us are feeling about Mr. McCann. Thank you Ms Moir. Carole, bucks,

* Great piece of writing Jan. It seems to be a rare thing these days for a journalist to have the courage to tell it like it is and reflect what the majority of ordinary people are thinking. More please!!! Might even start buying papers again if you can keep this up! Ruth, Wales,

* Your comments on Gerry McCann are spot on. Finally someone has the courage to tell it like it is. He and his wife are the ones who invited the press in the first place, hired a spokesman and courted the media like movie stars.Veronica Russell, Vancouver Canada,

* "pugnacious" - what a well chosen word. Lou, Paris,

* Well done Jan. Glad to see some decent reporting on the McCann case. More of the same please.
Beau, Oxford England


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Ook The Independent maakt melding van de nieuwe oproep in Praia da Luz van The McCanns, zoals te verwachten, alle Britse kranten beppen elkaar na of plaatsen zonder nadenken de brabbels van hun PR-man Clarence Mitchell. Interessanter is, dat eerst de Daily Mail alle ktitische commentaren plaatsten (en die staan er nog steeds!), en nu ook dus deze krant. Edoch, ze zijn allemaal verwijderd. The independent durft niet....ha ha! Maar door slimme 3 arguido's-posters bewaard en online gezet. Zoals op deze site. Echt, het publiek, en niet alleen in de UK, raakt al meer geirriteerd door het gedrag van de McCanns en dienaangaande de minachting van de Praia da Luz-bewoners, alsof zij iets te verbergen hebben, niks willen zeggen. Of zou het Freudiaans zelfreflectie zijn, anderen verwijten wat ze zelf aan gedrag vertonen?????
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Op woensdag 25 maart 2009 20:34 schreef Suko het volgende:
Ook The Independent maakt melding van de nieuwe oproep in Praia da Luz van The McCanns, zoals te verwachten, alle Britse kranten beppen elkaar na of plaatsen zonder nadenken de brabbels van hun PR-man Clarence Mitchell. Interessanter is, dat eerst de Daily Mail alle ktitische commentaren plaatsten (en die staan er nog steeds!), en nu ook dus deze krant. Edoch, ze zijn allemaal verwijderd. The independent durft niet....ha ha! Maar door slimme 3 arguido's-posters bewaard en online gezet. Zoals op deze site. Echt, het publiek, en niet alleen in de UK, raakt al meer geirriteerd door het gedrag van de McCanns en dienaangaande de minachting van de Praia da Luz-bewoners, alsof zij iets te verbergen hebben, niks willen zeggen. Of zou het Freudiaans zelfreflectie zijn, anderen verwijten wat ze zelf aan gedrag vertonen?????
Zou maar zo eens kunnen Suko, niet alleen de Britse pers is dingen aan het verwijderen:
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Madeleine McCann Spotted In Portugal


MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann…

Meanwhile, back in Portugal…

In The News: “Madeleine appeal posters torn down in Portugal”

Posters appealing for information regarding the whereabouts of missing girl Madeleine McCann have been torn down in the area of Portugal where she disappeared.

Why?

Madeleine was three years old when she went missing from the family’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in May 2007.

Such is the fact.

The family have recently launched a fresh appeal for members of the public based in the area to come forward with any information they may have relating to her disappearance.

The campaign has been arranged to coincide with the second anniversary of the date Madeleine went missing, May 3rd.

How long will this be news for?

Sky News: “New Madeleine Posters Torn Down In Anger”

A new appeal for information was launched this week but some residents on the Algarve have reacted angrily to the move.

Ana Palma, a reporter for the Portuguese newspaper Correio da Manha, said: “We went to Praia da Luz trying to find the posters but most of the small ones had been removed, there were only five or six left. We then started to ask people what had happened and they told us they are tired of this. They feel they and their businesses have been harmed and they want closure.”


They want to forget.

Daily Telegraph:

Around 10,000 leaflets are being handed out and posted through letterboxes in Praia da Luz and the nearby towns of Lagos and Burgau.

The Algarve campaign is being backed by billboards, posters and advertising on local buses.

ShinyTV: “TV Scoop Interview: Charlie Brooker, Newswipe”

MG: So you’re reviewing the format as opposed to the stories?
CB: We will be covering those topics… but I’m looking at how it’s shown to us, if you see what I mean?

The news as entertainment - but it already is?

MG: You did something similar on Screenwipe with the Madeleine McCann thing… is it going to be like that?
CB: That kind of area… but we will be explaining the stories as well I hope. I suppose the main difference between what we’re doing and say, for want of a better term, a Radio 4 political satire, is that they know what they’re talking about whereas I come from a position where… I think I’m like most people… I’m not actually very well informed…

Madeleine McCann is still missing… And, like most people, that is all we know…
Natuurlijk niet zo vreemd, het politie en justitie apparaat daar is tot op de grond afgebrand, door ouders die 3 kinderen alleen hebben gelaten en zijn gaan feesten. Maar goed, de inheemsen komen in opstand, zal tijd worden.
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Hoi kahaarin, ha ha, ja inderdaad, bewoners aldaar zijn de McCanns goed zat. Zo onderhand staat hele dorp onder verdenking, want zo voelen ze dat. En niet te vergeten de toeristenindustrie, dat mag dan wel geen rol spelen als het een 'vermist' kind betreft maar onderhand wordt het wel een spookdorp, of is dat ook de bedoeling??? Journalist Duarte Levy heeft een interessant stukje over de McCanns afgescheiden, ze 'denken' er over terug te keren naar Praia da Luz, ja ja, oh wacht ff, er liggen nog wat vragen op Kate te wachten! Komt dat ff goed uit!
McCanns want to return to television
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With little over a month to go for the second anniversary of the disappearance of Maddie, the little English girl that went missing in Praia da Luz on the 3rd of May 2007, her parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, are once again negotiating a television interview, during which they expect to launch a new public appeal, according to a source close to the couple.

According to the same source, the McCann couple’s interview would be recorded in England, but equally broadcast in our country, as there are contacts with a Portuguese television channel which, as usual, would be prepared to make a financial contribution to the fund that was created after Madeleine’s alleged abduction. Kate and Gerry McCann – as 24Horas had already reported – are equally considering the possibility of travelling into our country, to the Algarve, to mark the second anniversary of their daughter’s disappearance and to reinforce the campaign that is presently being carried out in the area of Praia da Luz and its surroundings.

The announcement of a television interview with the couple has even surprised the British professionals in the sector, as earlier this month, Madeleine’s father had issued violent criticism against the work of English and Portuguese journalists, in front of a parliamentary commission. After refusing to cooperate with the PJ in the official inquest into their daughter’s disappearance, Kate and Gerry, already as arguidos, abandoned Portugal with the assistance of diplomatic representatives of the United Kingdom in our country. An escape that was recorded and broadcast live by various television channels.

The McCanns stopped being arguidos when the Public Ministry decided to archive the process, which currently awaits better evidence, after Gonçalo Amaral left and the process was handed over to Paulo Rebelo, who did nothing to pursue the line of inquiry that had been opened in the first months of the investigation, as the PJ’s final report proves.

Several diligences remained to be carried out, including the reconstitution of the gestures and movements of the nine English adults who accompanied Maddie in Praia da Luz and who, according to their own statements to Portuguese and British authorities, were always very contradictory. Several Spanish, English and Irish witnesses were never heard in the process.

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Op dinsdag 31 maart 2009 19:36 schreef Suko het volgende:
Hoi kahaarin, ha ha, ja inderdaad, bewoners aldaar zijn de McCanns goed zat. Zo onderhand staat hele dorp onder verdenking, want zo voelen ze dat. En niet te vergeten de toeristenindustrie, dat mag dan wel geen rol spelen als het een 'vermist' kind betreft maar onderhand wordt het wel een spookdorp, of is dat ook de bedoeling??? Journalist Duarte Levy heeft een interessant stukje over de McCanns afgescheiden, ze 'denken' er over terug te keren naar Praia da Luz, ja ja, oh wacht ff, er liggen nog wat vragen op Kate te wachten! Komt dat ff goed uit!
McCanns want to return to television


Hey Suko, tja, je kunt het de bewoners van PDL ook niet kwalijk nemen, de naam van hun stad zal altijd verbonden blijven aan Madeleine ben ik bang. Ik denk niet dat Kate nog weer terug gaat naar Portugal, we zullen zien. Leuk artikel, heb je Anorak gezien? Madonna heeft haar!
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Madonna Adopts Madeleine McCann


IN the Belfast Telegraph Gail Walker is making an honest fist at linking Madeleine McCann to a current news story, in this instance Madonna’s attempt to secure another child.

Merry James: Ten Bizarre Facts About Madonna And Child

The problem is that more youngsters Madonna hangs out with, the older she looks. She might prefer to adopt a few pensioners, or Old Mr Anorak.

Why all this moral fingerpointing about Madonna’s wish to adopt a second child from Malawi?

Fair enough, she’s a global megastar. Fair enough, she’s only recently dumped ‘our own’ Guy Ritchie — the chap who for a while gave us rights of ownership to ‘Madge’ — and that brought her domestic arrangements into focus once again.

David Banda Leaves

Ready..?

But really we had all this last time round, with the adoption of her son David. The reaction then was particularly venomous, with the little boy hunted from the airport to his front door with the same hysterical mania as if he’d actually been Madeleine McCann.

Merry James - not Grace, the child who melted Madonna’s heart?

And anyone seen Jessica Kondanani?

Madonna filed adoption papers for David Banda on October 10, 2006. Madeleine McCann went missing on 3 May 2007.

Had Madonna appeared with Madeleine McCann back then, would we have noticed?

Madonna held her ground then, with her usual disdain for whatever drivel the media can serve up about her.

Drivel. At least Gail Walker is objective…
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En wat hier van te denken, Gerry Mccan is in Portugal, al fimend met ITV, een soort van reconstructie of zo, er zijn ook nog anderen, wie wordt niet gemeld:
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Gerry McCann is in Praia da Luz
Duarte Levy Wordpress and 24horas

Duarte Levy
April 4, 2009 • 7:20 am

A month before the second anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance, Gerry McCann, the little English girl's father, arrived yesterday evening at Lisbon airport for a 48-hour visit.

During his stay, Gerry McCann will follow the filming of a "kind of" mini reconstitution of what allegedly happened on the night that Maddie disappeared. The filming is made by ITV, that intends to record a documentary and counts on a group of actors who will play the roles of the nine British citizens: Kate, Gerry McCann and the other members of the Tapas group.

According to the couple's spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, Madeleine's father allegedly also comes to follow the couple's ongoing private investigations on the terrain.

"Gerry is not going to meet the PJ or any member of the Portuguese authorities", Clarence told 24horas.

The couple's spokesman, now also working for a communications and public relations company, further promised that during Gerry's visit to Praia da Luz, the media would be offered "relevant news" concerning the search for Maddie.

Clarence Mitchell refused to confirm or deny the presence of private investigators in Praia da Luz, but 24horas knows that during last week, while the campaign was ongoing, at least two former members of the English police visited the locations where supposedly Maddie was abducted from.

As 24horas had published already, Gerry McCann returned to Portugal alone because "Kate is not ready yet".

Yesterday evening, Maddie's father travelled directly to the Algarve, after being greeted by members of the British embassy, who awaited him on his arrival.

Clarence Mitchell confirmed to 24horas that "just like Gerry had announced a few weeks ago, during his first visit, this is just one more visit", and other visits are scheduled, with "the purpose of searching for Maddie", according to the couple's spokesman.

PJ follows Gerry's visit to the Algarve

A source at the Polícia Judiciária in Portimão confirmed that Maddie's father's visit to our country is being watched closely, yet lamented that the couple didn't carry it out at "the time when the inquiry demanded it".

The population of Praia da Luz, which is upset by the campaign that has been carried out in that area of the Algarve, fails to understand the visit's purpose: "They did nothing to help the police and ended up fleeing this place like criminals", Rui Macedo told 24horas, adding that "they won't rest until they destroy our region".

But Gerry McCann isn't the only one returning to Portugal, as 24horas was able to establish that several other persons who intervened in the Maddie case are in our country at the moment.
Ondertussen denkt Martin Brunt (Sky misdaadverslaggever) dat DE oplossing wel in Luz moet liggen, dat kan je op vele manieren 'lezen.' Bewoners. zoals bekend, willen er niks meer van weten, na twee jaar is dit alles veel te laat en funest voor het dorp.

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  donderdag 16 april 2009 @ 16:31:17 #107
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Hmmm, het Europese continent is uitgeput van de hele zooi dus gaan ze maar naar de USA:
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The parents of Madeleine McCann will appear on the Oprah Winfrey show next month to mark the second anniversary of their daughter's disappearance.

Oprah asked Kate and Gerry McCann, both 40, to appear on the show immediately after Madeleine's disappearance, but they declined.

"It was felt, in the immediate aftermath of Madeleine's disappearance, that a celebrity-based show was not the image they wished to put forward," said their spokesman Clarence Mitchell.

"But life has moved on and it is now felt it will benefit the search."

The one-hour special will include footage filmed of Mr and Mrs McCann at their home in Rothley, Leicestershire, and at the Washington-based National Centre for Missing and Exploited Children.

The centre has produced computer imagery of how Madeleine would have aged over the last two years.

She was three when she disappeared from her parents' villa in Praia da Luz, Portugal, on May 3rd 2007.

"Kate and Gerry see the show as a very important opportunity to reach a global audience and it's a significant step in the hunt for Madeleine," Mr Mitchell continued.

"It's seen by millions in the US and worldwide and they hope these pictures will lead to the crucial sighting that will bring their daughter home."
Natuurlijk, een belangrijke stap in de zoektocht naar Maddy en een kans de hele wereld te berijken....
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Zucht...ha ha. Jep, the show must go on, er lijkt geen weg terug. Ondertussen is van beide kanten een docu gemaakt, zie de bekende links:

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id79.html
Het transscript van Amaral's docu is hier te lezen: http://joana-morais.blogs(...)lie-documentary.html De docu van de McCanns (met acteurs, ook maddie) komt op de Britse tv.

Amaral's boek komt deze maand uit in Nederland: http://www.bol.com/nl/p/boeken/maddie/1001004006421356/index.html
  woensdag 22 april 2009 @ 11:56:07 #109
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Lol, een beetje het he said-they said verhaal, magoed, de Televaag heeft een nieuwe verdachte:
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AMSTERDAM - In de verdwijningszaak rond Maddie wordt nu jacht gemaakt op een man die zich verdacht zou hebben gedragen rond het Portugese vakantieappartement van de McCanns, waaruit het meisje bijna twee jaar geleden verdween.

Het toen bijna vierjarige Britse werd op 3 mei 2007 uit haar bedje gehaald terwijl haar ouders in een restaurant even verderop zaten te eten. Sindsdien is er geen spoor meer van het kind gevonden.

Een getuige verklaart nu echter dat hij enkele dagen voor de ontvoering een man heeft gezien die zich verdacht zou hebben gedragen. Hij slenterde dagenlang alleen rond bij het vakantiehuisje in Praia da Luz. Hij zou daarbij regelmatig in de richting van het raam van de McCanns hebben gekeken.

Volgens vader Gerry en moeder Kate kan de man cruciaal zijn in de oplossing naar de ontvoeringszaak. Hij zou een mediterraan uiterlijk hebben en tussen de 20 en 30 jaar oud zijn.
Ook de reacties op Nu-jij zijn leuk.

Het zou echt te erg zijn als blijkt dat deze persoon wel degelijk een verklaring afgelegd zou hebben en er blijkt dat dit ter zijde is geschoven. Dat de ouders berantwoordelijk zijn voor het creeren van de situatie staat bij mij als een paal boven water. Maar dat er dingen niet lekker zijn gelopen in het onderzoek ook, mede door de defensieve en terughoudende reactie van de ouders natuurlijk. We zullen zien wat er uit komt, het wachten is op yet another schets van de verdachte.
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Haaaaaaai Kahaarin. Ach hemeltje, alweer een verdachte opgeduikeld, het is 'm vast! Ondertussen gaan de McCanns naar Oprah Winfrey, Amaral wil ook wel, maar hij heeft nog niets gehoord. Kazluz (een Nederlander overigens) heeft van de dvd de telefoontjes gepeurd en een timeline gemaakt. Een allemachtig heidens karwei, een compliment waard! Reacties zijn hier te lezen. En verder hebben de McCanns zichzelf maar tot directeur van het fonds verklaard. Wel ja. Oja, waar is rijke stinkerd Brian Kennedy gebleven, je weet wel, de man die ze ten alle tijden met miljoenen zou ondersteunen???Of even op de achtergrond geschoven omdat er gestort moet worden... Topic.
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Hey Suko! Directeur van het fonds, ach ja, er moet toch iemand het geld beheren....
Ik denk dat B.K. er tabak van heeft, we hebben al een hele poos niets van hem gehoord.
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Op woensdag 22 april 2009 13:10 schreef Suko het volgende:
Haaaaaaai Kahaarin. Ach hemeltje, alweer een verdachte opgeduikeld, het is 'm vast! Ondertussen gaan de McCanns naar Oprah Winfrey, Amaral wil ook wel, maar hij heeft nog niets gehoord. Kazluz (een Nederlander overigens) heeft van de dvd de telefoontjes gepeurd en een timeline gemaakt. Een allemachtig heidens karwei, een compliment waard! Reacties zijn hier te lezen. En verder hebben de McCanns zichzelf maar tot directeur van het fonds verklaard. Wel ja. Oja, waar is rijke stinkerd Brian Kennedy gebleven, je weet wel, de man die ze ten alle tijden met miljoenen zou ondersteunen???Of even op de achtergrond geschoven omdat er gestort moet worden... Topic.
Hmmm, deze quote van de fam Smith is dan ineens weer wel belangrijk, dit werd toch afgedaan als zijnde wellicht niet Maddy en onwaarschijnlijk?
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Approx. 21.55 pm The Smith Family, (4 adults and 5 children) are returning from 'Kelly's Bar', heading north, all spread out along the street and they pass a man walking down the middle of the street, carrying a child, with the head against his left shoulder and the arms hanging down alongside the body, in light colored or pink pyjamas, bare feet, pale skin typical of British and blond, shoulder-length hair; the girl is about 3-4 years old, about 1 metre tall. - The man is not dressed like a tourist; he's wearing cream or beige trousers, classic cut, of linen or cotton. He is white, 30-35 yrs, 1.70-1.80 meters tall, average build, physically fit, short, brown hair, with a face that looks tanned. (GA)
De verdachte die werd aangewezen in het verhaal uit de telegraaf zou iets jonger zijn geweest maar de Smith familie heeft hen natuurlijk in het donker gezien toch?
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Ik meen me te herinneren dat het tijdstip van de Smith-familie niet klopte, rond die tijd zat Gerry McCann nog aan tafel. Aan de andere kant, die familie is 'bezocht' door de McCann-clan en is daarna niet meer verhoord, en waarom niet???? En verder is die verdachte van nu imo bull, geen aandacht aan besteden, gewoon doorlopen. Dat doen de McCanns tenslotte ook > McCanns On their Way to the US

  woensdag 22 april 2009 @ 18:34:21 #113
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Op woensdag 22 april 2009 17:54 schreef Suko het volgende:
Ik meen me te herinneren dat het tijdstip van de Smith-familie niet klopte, rond die tijd zat Gerry McCann nog aan tafel. Aan de andere kant, die familie is 'bezocht' door de McCann-clan en is daarna niet meer verhoord, en waarom niet???? En verder is die verdachte van nu imo bull, geen aandacht aan besteden, gewoon doorlopen. Dat doen de McCanns tenslotte ook > McCanns On their Way to the US

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Och ja dat is ook zo, hetgeen de McCanns verklaard hebben is de absolute tijdslijn, dat er ik weet niet hoeveel agenten en oplettende burgers (parkmedewerkers, buren in het resort e.d.) er anders over denken....

triest dat ze naar de US gaan, echt, daar kun je toch geen winst halen behalve dollars?
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Yep, het ging en gaat nog steends om geld. Ik keek even op de site van Oprah Winfrey, er komen ook mensen die vertellen over veiligheid wat betreft kinderen e.d. Zie ook de commentaren...
http://www.oprah.com/arti(...)ows-madeleine-mccann
  donderdag 23 april 2009 @ 11:32:14 #115
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Op woensdag 22 april 2009 19:21 schreef Suko het volgende:
Yep, het ging en gaat nog steends om geld. Ik keek even op de site van Oprah Winfrey, er komen ook mensen die vertellen over veiligheid wat betreft kinderen e.d. Zie ook de commentaren...
http://www.oprah.com/arti(...)ows-madeleine-mccann
Ik denk dat een boel joanna lezers daar nu zitten. En inderdaad, dat geld, ik ben wel blij dat er nu vooraf zoveel protesten zijn, het mooiste zou ik het vinden als het publiek gewoon wegloopt als de McCanns binnenkomen.
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Ja vast maar Amaral wordt iig niet uitgenodigd: " Despite the requests, the North American presenter only wants to dedicate the show to the McCanns. She even spent a day with Maddie’s parents and siblings in London." > Joana Daar hebben de McCanns ook een apartement, hadden ze die al?

Ach weet je, Amerikanen weten niet half wat er speelt en men komt en kijkt naar Oprah, zij is de hoofdrolspeelster. Het is tenslotte show, entertainment weet je wel. Die getuige zoals The Sun beschreef, is overigens allang al ontmakerd: Maddie: “New suspect” is identified within the process. Duarte Levy Maar dat wisten we al, ouwe wijn in nieuwe zakken.
  donderdag 23 april 2009 @ 13:21:16 #117
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Op donderdag 23 april 2009 13:01 schreef Suko het volgende:
Ja vast maar Amaral wordt iig niet uitgenodigd: " Despite the requests, the North American presenter only wants to dedicate the show to the McCanns. She even spent a day with Maddie’s parents and siblings in London." > Joana Daar hebben de McCanns ook een apartement, hadden ze die al?

Ach weet je, Amerikanen weten niet half wat er speelt en men komt en kijkt naar Oprah, zij is de hoofdrolspeelster. Het is tenslotte show, entertainment weet je wel. Die getuige zoals The Sun beschreef, is overigens allang al ontmakerd: Maddie: “New suspect” is identified within the process. Duarte Levy Maar dat wisten we al, ouwe wijn in nieuwe zakken.
Ja dat snap ik wel, als Amaral erbij komt dan is het meteen hard tegen hard, de kans dat er nu iets boven tafel komt dat nieuw is, of ze praten zich voorbij, lijkt me groter dan wanneer Amaral er bij is. Over die getuige, ik weet het niet, als het die man wel is, des te beter, dan kunnen ze verder zoeken. Ik ben het spoor bijster op het moment, hoeveel getuigen hebben we al wel niet gezien/gehoord? *Retorische vraag* (om maar te zwijgen over de mogelijke verdachten.) Voor de zekerheid moeten ze alles maar eens goed uitzoeken.
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  zondag 26 april 2009 @ 16:12:47 #118
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Ze hadden het imho beter de Kate and Gerry show kunnen noemen. Dit zijn snippers uit een paar berichten, er zijn er nog veel meer, voor de liefhebbers: http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/?search=madeleine&searchheadlines=1

Ongelofelijk dat er helemaal niet is gerefereerd aan de omstandigheden waaronder ze is verdwenen en de vreemde gang van zaken tijdens het onderzoek, de vragen die de PJ had en niet beantwoord zijn, Cuddly Cat, de sniffer dogs, de renault scenic, de tijdslijn die nog steeds niet helemaal zeker is vastgesteld, ga zo maar door. Dit is geen journalistiek of verslagleggen, dit is domweg mensen bang maken en Gerry & Kate portretteren als zielig. Je had gelijk Suko, dit is alleen maar een walgelijke poging om geld en sympathie los te weken, in die volgorde.

Oprah is er in getrapt, jammer.
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Ja, dat was te voorspellen, als Oprah al in Londen op bezoek komt dan kun je niet verwachten dat er ook maar iets kritisch naar buiten komt. De vragen zijn bedacht, de tranen van Kate ook. Het is walgelijk, maar mogelijk is de val des te dieper als er toch twijfel is gezaaid, weet je veel. Ik zeg het nog maar eens, er liggen nog wat vragen voor Kate McCann in Portugal, zou ze ooit de moeite nemen die te beantwoorden, voor haar dochter bijvoorbeeld...
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The 48 questions Kate refused to answer to help the search for her daughter, 07 September 2007
THE 48 QUESTIONS KATE DIDN'T ANSWER

1. On May 3 2007, around 22:00, when you entered the apartment, what did you see? What did you do? Where did you look? What did you touch?

2. Did you search inside the bedroom wardrobe? (she replied that she wouldn’t answer)

3. (shown 2 photographs of her bedroom wardrobe) Can you describe its contents?

4. Why had the curtain behind the sofa in front of the side window (whose photo was shown to her) been tampered with? Did somebody go behind that sofa?

5. How long did your search of the apartment take after you detected your daughter Madeleine’s disappearance?

6. Why did you say from the start that Madeleine had been abducted?

7. Assuming Madeleine had been abducted, why did you leave the twins home alone to go to the 'Tapas' and raise the alarm? Because the supposed abductor could still be in the apartment.

8. Why didn't you ask the twins, at that moment, what had happened to their sister or why didn’t you ask them later on?

9. When you raised the alarm at the 'Tapas' what exactly did you say and what were your exact words?

10. What happened after you raised the alarm in the 'Tapas'?

11. Why did you go and warn your friends instead of shouting from the verandah?

12. Who contacted the authorities?

13. Who took place in the searches?

14. Did anyone outside of the group learn of Madeleine's disappearance in those following minutes?

15. Did any neighbour offer you help after the disappearance?

16. What does 'we let her down' mean?

17. Did Jane tell you that night that she’d seen a man with a child?

18. How were the authorities contacted and which police force was alerted?

19. During the searches, with the police already there, where did you search for Maddie, how and in what way?

20. Why did the twins not wake up during that search or when they were taken upstairs?

21. Who did you phone after the occurrence?

22. Did you call Sky News?

23. Did you know the danger of calling the media, because it could influence the abductor?

24. Did you ask for a priest?

25. By what means did you divulge Madeleine's features, by photographs or by any other means?

26. Is it true that during the searches you remained seated on Maddie’s bed without moving?

27. What was your behaviour that night?

28. Did you manage to sleep?

29. Before travelling to Portugal did you make any comment about a foreboding or a bad feeling?

30. What was Madeleine's behaviour like?

31. Did Maddie suffer from any illness or take any medication?

32. What was Madeleine's relationship like with her brother and sister?

33. What was Madeleine's relationship like with her brother and sister, friends and school mates?

34. As for your professional life, in how many and which hospitals have you worked?

35. What is your medical specialty?

36. Have you ever done shift work in any emergency services or other services?

37. Did you work every day?

38. At a certain point you stopped working, why?

39. Are the twins difficult to get to sleep? Are they restless and does that cause you uneasiness?

40. Is it true that sometimes you despaired with your children's behaviour and that left you feeling very uneasy?

41. Is it true that in England you even considered handing over Madeleine's custody to a relative?

42. In England, did you medicate your children? What type of medication?

43. In the case files you were SHOWN CANINE forensic testing films, where you can see them marking due to detection of the scent of human corpse and blood traces, also human, and only human, as well as all the comments of the technician in charge of them. After watching and after the marking of the scent of corpse in your bedroom beside the wardrobe and behind the sofa, pushed up against the sofa wall, did you say you couldn't explain any more than you already had?

44. When the sniffer dog also marked human blood behind the sofa, did you say you couldn't explain any more than you already had?

45. When the sniffer dog marked the scent of corpse coming from the vehicle you hired a month after the disappearance, did you say you couldn't explain any more than you already had?

46. When human blood was marked in the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn't explain any more than you already had?

47. When confronted with the results of Maddie's DNA, whose analysis was carried out in a British laboratory, collected from behind the sofa and the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn't explain any more than you already had?

48. Did you have any responsibility or intervention in your daughter's disappearance?

A QUESTION SHE DID ANSWER

Q. Are you aware that in not answering the questions you are jeopardising the investigation, which seeks to discover what happened to your daughter?

A. 'Yes, if that's what the investigation thinks.'
En verder denkt Amaral dat Madeleine nog steeds in Prais da Luz is...

“Madeleine is in Praia da Luz!”

note* The DVD documentary based on Gonçalo Amaral book 'Maddie, The Truth of the Lie', broadcasted by TVI, which you can still watch here along with the English transcript. Ook hier trouwens.
  maandag 27 april 2009 @ 13:33:06 #120
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Hi Suko!

Ik denk dat Amaral gelijk heeft.
Hopelijk niet natuurlijk, maar ik vrees van wel.
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“Madeleine McCann died in apartment 5A and her body was concealed.”

Maar goed, nog een beetje spin en tearjerken:
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Two years after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, her parents are desperately trying to keep her name and image alive


Date: 26 April 2009
By Jeremy Watson
THE beach is not busy, but it is healthily populated with spring sun-seekers lazing on the golden sands before the summer rush. The promenade-front bars and cafes hum with business as diners bask in the warmth of a late Algarve morning. The pretty fishing village of Praia da Luz is occupied with doing what it does best – providing holidaymakers from across Europe with a lazy vacation on one of the continent's most stunning coastlines.

Only inside the picturesque white-painted Catholic church of Nossa Senhora Da Luz, now so familiar from thousands of TV news bulletins and newspaper photographs, is there any sign that two years ago next Sunday the small community, residents and visitors alike, were hit by a cataclysmic event from which it has not yet fully recovered.

At the side of the altar is a poolside picture of Madeleine McCann, taken in the happy days before she disappeared from her resort bedroom on the evening of May 3. Lit by the reflected light flame of candles, it says simply: "Pray For Me."

On Sunday, as he did last year on the first anniversary of her disappearance, Father Haynes Q Hubbard, senior chaplain of the church where Madeleine's doctor parents Kate and Gerry McCann came to seek solace in the long weeks after their daughter went missing just 10 days before her fourth birthday, will hold a second "service of hope" in both Portuguese and English.

Haynes, understandably weary of fielding questions from journalists around the world, said last week it is the only thing he feels he can do: "We are doing it because nothing here has changed. It is two years on and Madeleine is still missing. But we should keep her memory alive."

More than 700 days since Madeleine disappeared from an apartment at the Ocean Club and from beside her sleeping younger brother and sister while her parents ate with friends in a Tapas bar just yards away, an answer to the mystery is yet to be uncovered.

This is despite one of the biggest searches for a missing child in history, involving hundreds of police and private detectives and an army of media from around the globe. No one involved in the case seems to be any wiser about what happened to Madeleine than they were in the minutes after she vanished, allegedly spirited away by an unknown abductor.



This weekend, the couple are in the US to record a one-hour special interview with Oprah Winfrey to be broadcast on May 3. Kate and Gerry will be quizzed by the US TV star in front of a live audience as part of their global campaign to keep Madeleine's name and image alive and to persuade police forces around the world to adopt more streamlined methods for issuing alerts when a young child goes missing.

Then, on May 7, Channel Four will broadcast a filmed reconstruction of the events of two years ago, in which 15 actors have been hired to play the parts of the principal characters. The crew and actors were given full access to the Mark Warner-run Ocean Club to make the film. A computer-enhanced image of what Madeleine could look like at age six has also been produced by forensic computer specialists used by the FBI to coincide with the broadcast. The angelic innocence remains along with the distinctive pigmentation stripe in her right eye that may, unfortunately, fade with age.

So, in the past two years has the McCanns' campaign on improving child safety achieved any results? And how long can such a campaign be sustained in the face of dwindling cash reserves?

In Praia da Luz, there is little open hostility to the McCanns, but feelings nevertheless run high among both the large expatriate community and local Portuguese residents who depend on tourism for a living. They feel that the media spotlight should be turned away from their village.

One English bar owner who helped in the initial search for the three-year-old girl, but did not want his name used, said: "We have to move on. Of course, everyone still has sympathy for the family; no-one is indifferent to what happened. How could you be? But we don't want Praia to be evermore associated with what happened. This was a nice and safe place before she went missing and it is a nice, safe place now.

"We all lost some business in the year after it happened and we did well to get through it. Our main problem now is the strength of the euro, so we don't really need any more negative publicity."

Images of missing Madeleine are now hard to find in the town. "There are a couple of billboards out at the moment linked with the TV reconstruction, but that's about it."

One sited on the main road into the village was defaced just one day after being erected. Paint was splattered across the poster and the Find Madeleine campaign number was obscured. When Gerry McCann visited earlier this month, along with Jane Tanner and Matthew Oldfield, two members of the 'Tapas Seven', to advise on the reconstruction, it was reported that Madeleine's father was heckled by former Ocean Club employees who had lost their jobs due to a downturn in trade.

Concerns over money are also besetting the Find Madeleine campaign. On his first return visit to Praia da Luz since his and his wife's official "arguido" suspect status was lifted last year, Gerry McCann revealed that the fund was running out. Earlier this year, newspaper reports said the fund had dipped to £600,000.

"There's still money in it," McCann said. "It won't dry up in the next few months, but probably by the end of the year at the rate we are running."

The published accounts from last year detail where the money, swelled by a £550,000 libel payment from a group of British newspapers found to have defamed the couple and a £375,000 award to the Tapas Seven, has gone. In the first year, it includes £250,000 spent on private investigators, including the Madrid-based Metodo 3 agency, whose head claimed he would find Madeleine within three months.

Another £133,000 went on campaign management at a time when the couple were being besieged by the world's media, largely spent on public relations advisers. Legal fees swallowed up £120,000, £88,000 went on posters and television and newspaper advertising. There were also the costs of the couple's travels to publicise their campaign for an improved child alerts system.

What the couple want is for the Amber Alert system used widely in the United States to be introduced across Europe. Their supporters have been critical of the 12 hours it took for Portuguese police to alert Spanish border officials located just two hours away by road that Madeleine was missing.

The system was introduced in the mid-1990s after the horrific capture and murder of a young Texan girl. Once police are alerted that a child has vanished, the details of the child are sent immediately to broadcasters and flashed up on motorway signs. It has been credited with saving the lives of around 400 children.

The McCanns lobbied the European parliament to introduce Amber Alert in Europe. Although the EU failed to order a union-wide system, it recommended member states to set up their own systems. France, Greece and, earlier this month, Ireland, have agreed to set up national Amber Alert systems, but, in the UK, the decision has been left to individual police forces.

For the McCanns, the EU recommendation was at least step forward in the absence of any information about Madeleine herself. Spokesman Clarence Mitchell, putting the best gloss he could on the EU decision, said: "Whether it is a centralised system or individual national alerts, all Kate and Gerry want to see is better and quicker cooperation between countries.

"When a child goes missing, every minute counts. Kate and Gerry will continue to push for the best possible alert system for children. How that happens is something for ministers to agree on."

Next weekend, the McCanns are expected to mark the anniversary at home in Rothley, Leicestershire, in private with their now four-year-old twins Sean and Amelie. Back in Praia da Luz, in the church where prayers have been said for centuries for missing fishermen, Father Hubbard is expected to once again read out Kate's message of hope that one day her daughter will be found. At 9.15pm, a new candle will be lit at the time her parents believe she vanished. "We continue to hope because there is nothing to the contrary," he said. "The only thing we can do is hold hands, weep and pray."

Where are they now?

Robert Murat

Employed by the Portuguese police at the scene as a translator, this property consultant who lived close with his mother to the Ocean Club was given "arguido" – official suspect – status by investigators. The status was revoked and Murat, 35, sued newspapers for £600,000 libel damages.

Goncalo Amaral

Amaral was the senior investigating officer but was turfed off the case after alleging Madeleine's parents were involved. Last year, he brought out his version of events in a book, The Truth Of The Lie, which was not published in English but has reportedly sold thousands of copies on the continent. He claims Madeleine died in a "tragic accident" in the apartment.

Jane Tanner

One of the 'Tapas Seven' whose testimony supports the theory that Madeleine was abducted. Tanner travelled to Praia da Luz this month to help with the reconstruction as she says she saw a barefoot girl being carried from the apartment but did not regard it as unusual at the time. Last year, she said: "I wake up to that image every day. I see him there, striding away, carrying Madeleine and I try desperately to remember more detail."
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Hallo allemaal,

de persvoorlichter van FMB uitgevers bevestigt dat Dr. Amaral zal twee dagen in Nederland zijn (4 en 5 mei) uitsluitend voor het geven van interviews.

De vertaling van zijn boek 'A verdade de mentira' is in het Nederlands verschenen onder de titel 'Maddie - de waarheid achter de leugen' en vanaf heden verkrijgbaar bij bol.com: http://tinyurl.com/dcrvx8
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Ha DE Kazlux himself! Ik had je al eerder aangehaald ivm die geweldige timeline. Dat zet alles even in perspectief nav de verhoren. Ik neem af en toe een hapje op de bekende sites maar veel schot zit er niet in.Eigenlijk lees je alleen maar wat er niet is gebeurd/onderzocht, erg deprimerend. Zoals de achtergronden van David Payne, vermoedelijk pedo-neigingen (nav de getuigenissen van het artsenechtpaar) en zijn rol op de dag van de 'vermissing.' nooit onderzocht. Maar ergens hou ik in het achterhoofd dat eens de waarheid wordt verteld, one way or the other,

Leuk dat Amaral naar Nederland komt, hopelijk is de pers ook ruim aanwezig.

Hooooi, Kahaarin, lang stuk in The Scotsman, maar ook even zoveel rubbisch, het is diezelfde krant die o.a. Gerry McCann nomineerde als Man van het Jaar. Nou dan weet je het wel.
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Ha Suko ja hoor Kazlux herself

Ja het kan ontmoedigend zijn, je HEBT van die dagen, zoals nu weer Peter Hill van de Daily Express die voor de Press Complaints Commission verklaarde, vanmiddag, dat hij ook niet wist dat de Policia Judiciaria 'Ruritanian tinpot idiots' waren. De vrienden in Portugal zijn weer woedend, dat snap je.

Het maken van die timelines, daar vrolijk ik altijd weer van op. Zoveel rare dingen op een rijtje, en niks wat IK verzin, alles directe quotes of verklaringen, dan weet ik weer: o ja.
En natuurlijk altijd Eddie en Keela, mijn helden (jammer, geen hond-smiley).
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Oh, sorry, je bent een vrouwtje, ha ha. Amazing dat je nog de interesse kan opbrengen. Oh, is het bashen naar de Portugezen weer begonnen, is daar een reden voor zou je kunnen denken....Zo'n timeline kan inderdaad verhelderend werken, iedereen is dan ook weer stom verbaasd, ook ik. Die snuffelhonden, ook niet serieus genomen, ongelofelijk dat ze daar nog mee wegkomen ook nog. Ja wel, qua smiley's' qua hondjes:

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  woensdag 29 april 2009 @ 11:13:45 #125
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Op dinsdag 28 april 2009 19:22 schreef kazlux het volgende:
Ha Suko ja hoor Kazlux herself

Ja het kan ontmoedigend zijn, je HEBT van die dagen, zoals nu weer Peter Hill van de Daily Express die voor de Press Complaints Commission verklaarde, vanmiddag, dat hij ook niet wist dat de Policia Judiciaria 'Ruritanian tinpot idiots' waren. De vrienden in Portugal zijn weer woedend, dat snap je.

Het maken van die timelines, daar vrolijk ik altijd weer van op. Zoveel rare dingen op een rijtje, en niks wat IK verzin, alles directe quotes of verklaringen, dan weet ik weer: o ja.
En natuurlijk altijd Eddie en Keela, mijn helden (jammer, geen hond-smiley).
hey hallo! leuk om je hier ook te zien. Wat ontzettend veel werk zit er in die timeline, bedankt!
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Op dinsdag 28 april 2009 19:36 schreef Suko het volgende:
Oh, sorry, je bent een vrouwtje, ha ha. Amazing dat je nog de interesse kan opbrengen. Oh, is het bashen naar de Portugezen weer begonnen, is daar een reden voor zou je kunnen denken....Zo'n timeline kan inderdaad verhelderend werken, iedereen is dan ook weer stom verbaasd, ook ik. Die snuffelhonden, ook niet serieus genomen, ongelofelijk dat ze daar nog mee wegkomen ook nog. Ja wel, qua smiley's' qua hondjes:

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Portugezen bashen is volgens mij alleen maar een teken van zwakte.
Of om de zaak weer op de radar te krijgen voor dit soort acties:
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NEW DRIVE IN HUNT FOR MADELEINE


MISSING: Madeleine McCann

Wednesday April 29,2009
By Padraic Flanagan


Madeleine McCann’s parents told yesterday how they take hope from cases of abducted children being found alive years after they were snatched.


Kate and Gerry McCann said the ordeals suffered by child captives such as Austrian Natascha Kampusch and Americans Elizabeth Smart and Shawn Hornbeck show that youngsters can survive even after they go “off radar” for years.

The couple, both doctors from Rothley, Leics, have launched a push to trace Madeleine through the internet by using social networking sites like Facebook.

The pair have also opened a hotline and web portal for anonymous tip-offs from people who may have information about who took Madeleine.

The move comes after heart specialist Gerry launched a poster campaign in the Praia da Luz area on Portugal’s Algarve coastline where she vanished on May 3, 2007.

To coincide with the second anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance, a Portuguese language version of the “Find Madeleine” website has been created.

Gerry, 40, and his wife Kate, 41, said the search for their daughter is focusing on Portugal because residents “have never been properly asked about the information they may have to give”.

The couple were interviewed at the weekend by US chat show host Oprah Winfrey for a show to be broadcast on Monday to mark the second anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance. They made an emotional appeal for information on their daughter, whose sixth birthday is next month. In a statement on their website the McCanns said: “As the second anniversary of Madeleine’s abduction approaches, there is much still to be done.

“We continue to remain focused on our aim – to find Madeleine and bring her back home safely.
Dus Gerry launched de postercampagne alleen, interesting.

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