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Op maandag 15 september 2008 00:38 schreef Drugshond het volgende:

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Wacht maar ff op de Hang Seng
Die zijn aan het feesten.
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Op maandag 15 september 2008 07:37 schreef Aether het volgende:

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Kan iemand uitleggen hoe een Barclays hier aan mee kan doen?
Omdat ze het blijkbaar zelf ook niet zo prettig vinden als LEH op de fles gaat.
Een bank als ING verdient een pluim dat ze al die tijd relatief ver van deze mania zijn weggebleven. En geen enorme risico's voor meer winst hebben genomen op dit gebied dan
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Op maandag 15 september 2008 08:01 schreef indahnesia.com het volgende:
en BoA koopt Merril op een zondagje
Yep Merrill had natuurlijk haast na de koersval van vorige week en hoe het er dit weekend aan toeging met LEH. Volgend weekend gaat dit over ons, zullen ze vast gedacht hebben Bovendien zijn BoA en ML samen "too big to fail"...
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Bank of America to Buy Merrill

In a rushed bid to ride out the storm sweeping American finance, 94-year-old Merrill Lynch & Co. agreed late Sunday to sell itself to Bank of America Corp. for $50 billion.

The deal, worked out in 48 hours of frenetic negotiating, could instantly reshape the U.S. banking landscape, making the nation's prime behemoth even bigger. Late Sunday night, the companies' boards had approved the deal, but lawyers were negotiating over last-minute details.

Driven by Chief Executive Kenneth Lewis, Bank of America has already made dozens of acquisitions large and small, including the purchase of ailing mortgage lender Countrywide Financial Corp. earlier this year. In adding Merrill Lynch, it would control the nation's largest force of stock brokers as well as a well-regarded investment bank.

The combination, if approved by shareholders, would create a bank of vast reach, involved in nearly every nook and cranny of the financial system, from credit cards and auto loans to bond and stock underwriting, merger advice and wealth management.

Through the weekend, federal officials, including Federal Reserve Bank of New York head Timothy Geithner, made it clear that they strongly encouraged a deal to sell Merrill. They worried the firm could be the next to approach the brink of failure after Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., said people familiar with the matter.

The all-stock deal came together quickly. With Merrill stock dropping sharply last week, Merrill President Gregory Fleming, a former financial-institutions adviser, urged Merrill Chief Executive John Thain to contact Mr. Lewis to see if he would be interested in a sale. The two banks had had preliminary discussions in the past, so the interest was there, according to a person familiar with the matter.

The Better Deal

On Saturday afternoon, Mr. Thain called Mr. Lewis, who responded favorably. Bank of America, which by then had been considering a bid for Lehman as well, decided that Merrill was the better deal and felt more comfortable with Merrill since the two had engaged in prior discussions. Mr. Thain then went to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. He quickly saw that a deal for Lehman was unlikely, according to a person close to him, which strengthened his resolve to pursue a deal with Bank of America.

With a deal looming, Mr. Thain canceled a previously planned trip to Asia. The two camps began a marathon series of meetings at Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz, the law firm which has long represented Bank of America in its deals.

Word began to leak out on Sunday at the New York Fed, where top Wall Street executives had been huddled to discuss the fate of Lehman. Executives were relieved that Merrill had found a buyer. "Who was the magician who pulled this rabbit out of a hat?" exclaimed a top executive of one bank.

Word began to leak out on Sunday at the New York Fed, where top Wall Street executives had been huddled to discuss the fate of Lehman. Executives were relieved that Merrill had found a buyer. "Who was the magician who pulled this rabbit out of a hat?" exclaimed a top executive of one bank.

The deal shows how the credit crisis has created opportunities for financially sound buyers. At $50 billion, Merrill is being sold at about two-thirds of its value of one year ago and half its all-time peak value of early 2007.

The deal values Merrill at $29 a share. Merrill's shares changed hands at $17.05 each on Friday, after falling sharply in the wake of Lehman's looming demise.

"Why would Bank of America do this?" said analyst Nancy Bush at NAB Research LLC in Annandale, N.J. "Ken Lewis always likes to buy the biggest thing he can. So why not this? You are master of the universe, basically."

Merrill could give Bank of America strength around the world, including emerging markets such as India. And Merrill is also strong in underwriting, an area Bank of America identified last week at an investors' conference where it would like to be more aggressive.

Bank of America and Merrill Lynch wouldn't comment on any discussions.

The deal is all the more dramatic because Merrill, upon the arrival of Mr. Thain, did more than many U.S. financial giants to insulate itself from the financial crisis that began last year. It raised large amounts of capital, purged itself of toxic assets and sold big equity stakes, such as its holding in financial-information giant Bloomberg LP. That Merrill has opted to sell itself thus underscores the severity of the crisis.

The integration of Merrill, known for its proud and sometimes testy brokerage force, could turn out to be the biggest test of Mr. Lewis's career. Typically, the bank has made one big deal and then taken time to carefully merge the two institutions. But in recent years, acquisitions have come at a furious pace. In 2004, the bank bought FleetBoston Financial Corp. A year later, the bank agreed to buy MBNA Corp., the credit-card firm. In 2007, Bank of America bought Chicago's LaSalle Bank as part of the breakup of Dutch bank ABN-Amro Holding NV. Then came this year's purchase of Countrywide.

'The Ultimate Realist'

Absorbing Merrill comes with huge risks. Merrill had the highest ratio of "problem assets" subject to write-downs to capital of the top three independent securities firms, according to Fox-Pitt, Kelton. Analysts were already betting it would have to write down another $3 billion or more in the third quarter beyond what it had announced in July.

"I think John Thain at Merrill is the ultimate realist," said Ms. Bush, the NAB Research analyst, who expected federal regulators to bless the deal. "He knows if Lehman goes under he is not far behind. He wants to cut the best deal he can."

In the past 15 months, Merrill and Lehman have both had tens of billions of dollars worth of risky, hard-to-sell assets carried on balance sheets that were piled high with debt. When the credit crunch hit in mid-2007, the assets kept deteriorating in value and couldn't easily be sold, eating into both firms' capital cushions. Recently, Lehman's balance sheet topped $600 billion and Merrill's $900 billion.

Merrill's previous chief, Stan O'Neal, was ousted in October 2007. His successor, Mr. Thain, tried to repair the firm's balance sheet by arranging an infusion of more than $6 billion in capital starting last December, tapping investors led by Temasek Holdings, a Singapore government investment fund.

But the losses kept coming this year. Mr. Thain was forced in July to sell a huge slug of more than $30 billion in collateralized debt obligations, or securities backed by pools of mortgages or other assets, at a price of just 22 cents on the dollar. That step required the firm to raise still more capital, under painful terms that re-priced some of the December stock sales at about half the original price.

During the flurry of historic deal making this weekend, Merrill also put out feelers to Morgan Stanley about a possible deal, which would have united two of Wall Street's oldest brands, according to a person familiar with the talks. But the talks didn't go anywhere because there wasn't enough time for Morgan Stanley to review the idea and Merrill wanted to do a deal quickly, this person said. Merrill was also stepping up talks with commercial banks both in Europe and the U.S.

Mr. Thain would collect an exit package worth about $9.7 million if Bank of America completes its takeover, according to David M. Schmidt, a pay consultant for James F. Reda and Associates LLC in New York.

That figure represents accelerated vesting of restricted stock units that Mr. Thain got when he took command last December. Only two thirds of those 500,000 units would become shares that he could sell.

One top Merrill executive lamented the sale of the venerable company, saying, "It's sad but inevitable." This executive said that he was pleased it was Merrill, rather than rival broker Morgan Stanley, that was hatching a deal with Bank of America.

Front and Center

The futures of both Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs will be front and center Monday morning, as Wall Street wakes up to a world where the independent broker-dealers are increasingly few in number. They would be the last of the big five independent firms, with Merrill and Bear Stearns Cos. having been sold and Lehman likely to close down.

This tumultuous year has made it clear that investment banks like Lehman and Bear Stearns face vulnerabilities that commercial banks such as J.P. Morgan and Bank of America are less prone to. The investment banks must constantly depend on short- and medium-term money markets to fund their operations. Commercial banks, meanwhile, can count on more stable consumer deposit bases.

Winthrop H. Smith Jr., a former Merrill executive whose father helped build the firm, said the acquisition would represent "a very sad moment for myself and my family and the thousands of families who worked for Merrill Lynch over our 94-year history, sad to see a firm that always prided itself on its independence absorbed" into another.
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Is die 70 miljard die ze met zijn 10en gelapt hebben voor het feestje wel voldoende?
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Op maandag 15 september 2008 08:16 schreef ItaloDancer het volgende:

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Yep Merrill had natuurlijk haast na de koersval van vorige week en hoe het er dit weekend aan toeging met LEH. Volgend weekend gaat dit over ons, zullen ze vast gedacht hebben Bovendien zijn BoA en ML samen "too big to fail"...
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hmjah, dat 'too big to fail' dat vraag ik me toch steeds vaker af...
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Euro even op 1,447 geweest, nu op 1,437 $.
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Op maandag 15 september 2008 08:19 schreef indahnesia.com het volgende:

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hmjah, dat 'too big to fail' dat vraag ik me toch steeds vaker af...
Hoezo? Omdat LEH omvalt? BoA is een heel ander verhaal natuurlijk... BoA maakt zichzelf de grootste en zwaarste dominosteen dus die wil je niet omstoten zeker
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Op maandag 15 september 2008 08:19 schreef Basp1 het volgende:
Is die 70 miljard die ze met zijn 10en gelapt hebben voor het feestje wel voldoende?
genoeg feest tot het volgende probleem
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LEH total assets 639bn
LEH total debt 613bn

AIG vraagt 40bn steun aan bij de FED

[ Bericht 21% gewijzigd door indahnesia.com op 15-09-2008 08:41:10 ]
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Op maandag 15 september 2008 08:22 schreef ItaloDancer het volgende:

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Hoezo? Omdat LEH omvalt? BoA is een heel ander verhaal natuurlijk... BoA maakt zichzelf de grootste en zwaarste dominosteen dus die wil je niet omstoten zeker
Niet direct omdat LEH omvalt hoor, maar het is een term die inmiddels wel in 'overuse' is geraakt de laatste maanden/jaar. Makkelijk toekennen van dergelijke krachtige termen is ook gevaarlijk natuurlijk, en een hele hoop kleintjes/middelgrote is natuurlijk net zo problematisch al niet erger (onoverzichtelijker).
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Ja, natuurlijk, maar goed voor zover ik het kan beoordelen (niet ) hebben alle partijen dit weekend het maximale eruit gehaald van wat mogelijk was.

Europa gaat 3% lager openen.
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Ik kan het verder ook niet zien hoor, maar op een gegeven moment worden die 'maximaal haalbare' oplossingen ook onzinnig omdat het gewoon niet meer betaalbaar is.

Welk bedrijf verkoopt groene inkt? Die verdienen best lekker geloof ik.

En het was natuurlijk voor de tweede keer dit jaar een 'zondagmiddagje' waarop nu zelfs twee belangrijke knopen werden doorgehakt. Met zondag middag bedoel ik dan gewoon buiten kantooruren en dus lekker high profile..
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Op maandag 15 september 2008 08:42 schreef indahnesia.com het volgende:
Ik kan het verder ook niet zien hoor, maar op een gegeven moment worden die 'maximaal haalbare' oplossingen ook onzinnig omdat het gewoon niet meer betaalbaar is.
Dan moeten ze andere hefbomen uitvinden dan zal het vast wel weer te betalen zijn.

Mensen die 2 jaar geleden al zeiden dat er teveel hefbomen in het systeem zat werden voor gek of conservatief verklaard. Want je kon veel meer winsten draaien met geode hefbomen.
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IS dat Lehman nu aandeelhouder van AMEX of hoe zit dat precies?
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Op maandag 15 september 2008 08:54 schreef Basp1 het volgende:

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Dan moeten ze andere hefbomen uitvinden dan zal het vast wel weer te betalen zijn.

Mensen die 2 jaar geleden al zeiden dat er teveel hefbomen in het systeem zat werden voor gek of conservatief verklaard. Want je kon veel meer winsten draaien met geode hefbomen.
tja, maar zo'n hefboom heeft ook een tegengewicht nodig, en dat was men voor het gemak maar vergeten.
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Nou het blijft allemaal netjes liggen vooralsnog.
AEX -3%.
Zelfs een Fortis verliest 'maar' 6,5%.
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19479 Mr.J
Train, eat, sleep. Repeat.
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Op maandag 15 september 2008 09:12 schreef ItaloDancer het volgende:Zelfs een Fortis verliest 'maar' 6,5%.
Bijkoop momentje dus.

*kras


S&P futs trekken iig wat aan en de steun op 387 is nog intact (even doorbroken maar). Geen zwarte maandag zoals het er nu uitziet.
Godfather Bodybuilding topic reeks
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Op maandag 15 september 2008 09:14 schreef Mr.J het volgende:

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Bijkoop momentje dus.

*kras


S&P futs trekken iig wat aan en de steun op 387 is nog intact (even doorbroken maar). Geen zwarte maandag zoals het er nu uitziet.
Bijkoopmomentjes zijn er al heel veel geweest het afgelopen jaar.. je krijgt een zere kont van het lange zitten op deze manier
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Train, eat, sleep. Repeat.
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Op maandag 15 september 2008 09:26 schreef indahnesia.com het volgende:

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Bijkoopmomentjes zijn er al heel veel geweest het afgelopen jaar.. je krijgt een zere kont van het lange zitten op deze manier
Ach, in 2015 ben je blij dat je tegen bodemprijzen hebt kunnen shoppen.
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Op maandag 15 september 2008 09:32 schreef Mr.J het volgende:

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Ach, in 2015 ben je blij dat je tegen bodemprijzen hebt kunnen shoppen.
Als het zo door gaat zijn de meeste banken tegen die tijd van de staat of heet het BoA
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Bailouts Will Push US into Depression: Manager


The end result of the global economic slowdown may be the U.S. announcing national bankruptcy as the government cannot afford the bailouts that it promised and the market will not bail out the government, Martin Hennecke, senior manager of private clients at Tyche, told CNBC on Thursday.

"We expect a depression in the United States. We expect a depression, very possibly, also in Europe," Hennecke said on "Worldwide Exchange."


The estimated $300 billion cost of the Fannie/Freddie bailout will probably be considered as a loss that the government will have to take, therefore passing it on to taxpayers, he explained.

"We already have $3 trillion of debt, as far as the U.S. government is concerned. These debt figures across the U.S. economy are rising very sharply."

When the government can no longer pass the United States' "immense debt" on to taxpayers, it will turn to the holders of U.S. dollars, leading to the eventual downfall of the currency, Hennecke said.

"Definitely, it (the dollar) is not a safe place to be invested in, as real inflation is closer to 10 or 11 percent than the actual inflation numbers given by the U.S. government," Hennecke said on "Worldwide Exchange".


Investors should avoid exposure to debt and stay away from leveraging on any investment or asset, including property, Hennecke advised, adding that "banks have been too highly leveraged in the past, private households, everybody."

Hennecke's stock allocations are mainly Asian-based, especially in the Chinese market as the country's government has a large amount of cash and the macroeconomics are fundamentally strong.

He also suggested investing in gold, despite the recent fall in price.


Ik heb inderdaad wel het idee dat de EU zich met maximale middelen gaat laten meeslepen.
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