Bin Laden en Al Qaeda - een gecreëerde mythe?

Al Qaida bestaat wel degelijk, maar volgens mij niet als die geweldig goed georganiseerde en enorm grote club die over de hele wereld de baas is van het internationale moslim-terrorisme. Ik denk dat het een redelijk klein clubje is, dat voornamelijk via propaganda gefrustreerde moslims zover weet te krijgen dat ze aanslagen plegen, waarna AQ de verantwoordelijkheid opeist alsof het in hun opdracht is gedaan. Voor sommige grotere acties zoals 9/11 kunnen ze ondersteuning leveren, maar dit was ook een actie voortgekomen uit lokale onvrede, en pas later zijn was AQ-mensen mee gaan helpen bij de organisatie ervan.

Ik heb het gevoel dat Bin Laden al een jaar of 2 dood is, en de schaarse uitzendingen van de laatste tijd met de computer bewerkte stukjes van tijden geleden opgenomen video.

Dit soort ideeen ligt natuurlijk bij de regering Bush en de nalopertjes als Engeland en Nederland slecht, omdat Al Qaida als gigantische internationale samenzwering, met de duivel Bin Laden aan het hoofd, het een stuk makkelijker maakt om van alles door te drukken met de nationale veiligheid als rechtvaardiging.

Benazir Bhutto: Bin Laden was Murdered



Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair said:
"Al Qaeda is not an organization. Al Qaeda is a way of working ... but this has the hallmark of that approach.... Al Qaeda clearly has the ability to provide training ... to provide expertise ... and I think that is what has occurred here."[42]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda

Niet gecreëerd, wel in stand gehouden.

Valt het je niet op dat in de media er altijd wordt gesproken over "een groep die banden met Al-Qeada heeft". Nooit dat AQ zelf eens wat ondernomen heeft....
Het is de personificatie van het moslim-extremisme en bestaat fysiek helemaal niet.

Mwoah ik denk wel dat dat AQ echt bestaat, maar ik denk wel dat een aantal Bin Laden opnames fake zijn.

Ook al zou Al Qaida bestaan wil dat nog niet zeggen dat ze geen creatie van een geheimdienst zijn.

Een sleutelrol hierin speelde Zbigniew Brzezinski, een uiterst invloedrijke man.

"Brzezinski was criticized for his role in the formation of the Afghan mujaheddin network, some of which would later form the Taliban and would shelter Al Qaeda camps."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Brzezinski


How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen

Interview of Zbigniew Brzezinski Le Nouvel Observateur (France), Jan 15-21, 1998, p. 76*
http://www.counterpunch.org/brzezinski.html


Quotes uit zijn boek: The Grand Chessboard uit 1997
http://www.takeoverworld.info/grandchessboard.html

Brzesinski is nu trouwens de adviseur van Barack Husein Obama

[ Bericht 3% gewijzigd door Aurora025 op 30-07-2008 23:32:49 ]

Ik irriteer(de) me al jaren aan berichten omtrent 'terrorisme' en OBL en AQ. Het verschil tussen vrijheidsstrijders en terroristen bestaat in het midden-oosten niet, althans als we de westerse media mogen geloven. 90% van alle berichten over dit onderwerp (verzet/aanslagen/terrorisme) zijn bovendien ontzettend suggestief geschreven en geven je - behalve wat vage beschuldigingen - nooit een beeld van wat er nou werkelijk heeft plaatsgevonden. Ik heb nog nooit een duidelijk bewijs gezien/gehoord, wat zou wijzen op een 'collectief opgezet netwerk' zoals Al Qaida wordt neergezet in de media. De laatste tijd lijkt het wat minder, maar ik herinner me dagen waarin ik in 5 verschillende berichten in de Volkskrant het woord "Al-Qaida" zag verschijnen - soms geheel niet gerelateerd aan de rest van het bericht.. En dan is het wellicht ook nog zo dat de “Al Qaida tapes” een fake zijn..

Qua Osama, het zegt voldoende dat hij nooit formeel is aangeklaagd voor 9/11. Wel direct ermee in verband gebracht, maar “The FBI has no hard evidence connecting Usama Bin Laden to 9/11”. bron

Al met al is het dus niet zo zwart-wit als de goede (de 'coalition of the willing') en de slechte (Al Qaida/OBL); er is terrorisme, dat moge duidelijk zijn. Er heerst veel spanning overal in de wereld en zeker in het M-O. En daar doen bepaalde delen van de overheid (veiligheidsdiensten), de media en andere belanghebbende m.i. nog een schepje bovenop.

Ik denk dat Aurora ons in het bericht hierboven wat interessante leidraden heeft gegeven en er is ook nog een ander artikel hieromtrent.

Ze kunnen ook alleen nog maar retards regelen die zelfmoord aanslagen willen plegen.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=4226818

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Op dinsdag 29 juli 2008 17:55 schreef Terecht het volgende:

Is Bin Laden door de CIA getraind en gefinancierd?

Bestaat Al Qaeda als terroristische organisatie eigenlijk wel?

Ja en Nee volgens Cook:

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Al Qaeda is not and never has been a "terrorist organization."

"Al-Qaida,(sic) literally 'the database,' was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians," admits former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook, whose Foreign Office portfolio included control of British Intelligence Agency MI-6 and the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), in a column published by the UK Guardian newspaper.

In other words, the so-called Al Qaeda, which has been promoted by the Media Cartel as the cause of all bombings and terrorism since the destruction of the World Trade Center in New York on September 11, 2001, is simply a database of CIA trained "terrorists"

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/alqaedagenenis09jul05.shtml

Wie ben ik om aan zijn woorden te twijfelen....?

Is Bin Laden door de CIA getraind en gefinancierd?
Ja

Bestaat Al Qaeda als terroristische organisatie eigenlijk wel?
Ja

Is Bin Laden nog in leven?
Wie weet, misschien wel misschien niet

Wie is verantwoordelijk voor de beeldvorming van Bin Laden en Al Qaeda?
Hoe bedoel je precies?

Kortom, is Al Qaeda niet een bewust gecreerde/gehypte angstgegner om politiek-maatschappelijke doeleinden te bewerkstelligen?
Het is wel ontzettend opgeblazen ja

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Op donderdag 31 juli 2008 18:27 schreef Terecht het volgende:

[..]

Opmerkelijke uitspraken van Cook. Het klopt volgens mij niet wat hij zegt. Al Qaeda betekent niet letterlijk database maar basis of fundament. Database is qa'idah bayanat in het Arabisch. Bovendien kan het zo zijn dat die computer file met namen van mujahideen Afghaanse mujahideen waren en niet van de zogenaamde Afghaanse Arabieren. Verder hebben Bin Laden, Al Qaeda's 2e man Al Zawahiri, de eindverantwoordelijke voor ISI's Afghanistan operatie en het hoofd van Reagan’s "Afghan Working Group" allemaal ontkend dat de Amerikanen op één of andere manier Bin Laden hebben gesteund. Het past ook niet in het beeld van Bin Laden en de Afghaanse Arabieren, die al tijdens de oorlog in Afghanisten sterk anti-Amerikaans waren.

Tja, letterlijk i.d.d. niet. Het was meer slang. Taal leeft.

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"Two of my Jordanian colleagues were experts in computers. They were air defense officers. Using computer science slang, they introduced a series of jokes about students' punishment.

"For example, when one of us was late at the bus stop to leave the Staff College, the two officers used to tell us: 'You'll be noted in 'Q eidat il-Maaloomaat' which meant 'You'll be logged in the information database.' Meaning 'You will receive a warning . . .' If the case was more severe, they would used to talk about 'Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.' Meaning 'the decision database.' It meant 'you will be punished.' For the worst cases they used to speak of logging in 'Al Qaida.'

Neem het Cook niet kwalijk dat hij z'n Arabische niet onder de knie heeft, hier staat weer iets anders dan qa'idah bayanat.

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Those two files were kept in one file called in Arabic 'Q eidat ilmu'ti'aat' which is the exact translation of the English word database. But the Arabs commonly used the short word Al Qaida which is the Arabic word for "base." The military air base of Riyadh, Saudi Arabia is called 'q eidat 'riyadh al 'askariya.' Q eida means "a base" and "Al Qaida" means "the base."
http://100777.com/node/1462

Data genoeg.
http://www.trackingthethreat.com/latest/

Maaruh, jij gelooft Al Zawahiri en " dat hoofd " op hun woord ?
Volgens mij waren ze op dat moment vnl sterk anti Russisch net als de VS dat past dan wel weer in het plaatje.

Het bedrijfsleven en Al Qaida past imo ook prima in het plaatje.
http://www.angelfire.com/linux/pearly/htmls/enron-taliban.html

Blackwater e.d.

En vergeet ook niet er is veeeeeel meer dan 9-11.
http://100777.com/node/591

October 16, 2001-- An interview with Osama bin Laden was published in a Karachi-based Pakistani daily newspaper, Ummat, on September 28, 2001. In this interview, bin Laden says of the September 11 attacks in the US:

"I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle.

"It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children and common people . . . " Everyone familiar with the content of the Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum

http://www.Public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum

knows bin Laden is telling the truth.

News of this Ummat interview was suppressed in the US. Between the time of its publication and October 7, the US apparently spent its time creating a fake "bin Laden" interview, using either a stand-in or morphing. Or was the fraud produced by the Brits, as a favor to the US? No, the Taliban Home Video was a ham-fisted effort. The Brits usually have more subtlety.

You can read about the US fraud, "The Taliban Home Video," at

http://www.Public-Action.com/911/hvideo.html

Attached to "The Taliban Home Video" you will find a copy of a March, 1977 CNN interview with bin Laden, conducted by Peter Arnett. Compare the content and the style of bin Laden's remarks in the 1977 CNN interview with the content and style of bin Laden's remarks in the September 28, 2001 Ummat interview. Yes, it is the same man, all right. It appears to me that the Ummat interview is authentic.

Here is a copy of the Ummat interview, which you can find at this URL:

http://www.khilafah.com/1421/category.php?DocumentID=2392&TagID=2

I am grateful to InfoTimes <infotimes@rcn.com> for passing this information along to me.

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Usama bin Laden Says Israeli Regime is Behind the 9-11 Attacks

KABUL, Afghanistan (Ummat): Prominent Arab mojahed (freedom fighter) Usama bin Laden or the Al-Qaida group has nothing to do with the 11 September attacks on the Bush Administration, according to an Usama bin Laden interview with Ummat, the Karachi-based Pakistani daily newspaper. In his interview, Usama bin Laden pointed out that the Israeli regime is behind the 9-11 attacks. He expressed gratitude and support for Pakistan, urging the Pakistani people to continue their jehad against dictators, tyrants, traitors, crooks, criminals, dictatorships and tyrannies. Following is the text of Usama Bin Laden's interview conducted by a "special correspondent" and published in the daily Ummat on Friday, 28 September 2001. [The place and date of the interview was not given by Ummat.]

Daily UMMAT: You have been accused of involvement in the attacks in New York and Washington. What do you want to say about this? If you are not involved, who might be?

USAMA BIN LADEN: In the name of Allah (God), the most beneficent, the most merciful. Praise be to Allah, Who is the creator of the whole universe and Who made the Earth as an abode for peace, for the whole humankind. Allah is the Sustainer, who sent Prophet Muhammad (saw) for our guidance. I am thankful to The Ummat Group of Publications, which gave me the opportunity to convey my viewpoint to the people, particularly the valiant and momin (true Muslim) people of Pakistan who refused to believe the lies of the demon (Pakistani military dictator General Pervez Musharraf).

I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children and common people of other faiths, particularly the followers of Islam. All that is going on in Palestine for the last 11 months is sufficient to call the wrath of God upon the United States and Israel. There is also a warning for those Muslim countries, which witnessed all these as a silent spectator. What had earlier been done to the innocent people of Iraq, Chechnya and Bosnia? Only one conclusion could be derived from the indifference of the United States and the West to these acts of terror and the patronage of the tyrants by these powers that America is an anti Islamic power and it is patronizing the anti-Islamic forces. Its friendship with the Muslim countries is just a show, rather deceit. By enticing or intimidating these countries, the United States is forcing them to play a role of its choice. Put a glance all around and you will see that the slaves of the United States are either rulers or enemies of Muslims.

The U.S. has no friends, nor does it want to keep any because the prerequisite of friendship is to come to the level of the friend or consider him at par with you. America does not want to see anyone equal to it. It expects slavery from others. Therefore, other countries are either its slaves or subordinates. However, our case is different. We have pledged slavery to God Almighty alone and after this pledge there is no possibility to become the slave of someone else. If we do that it will be disregardful to both our Sustainer and his fellow beings. Most of the world nations upholding their freedom are the religious ones, which are the enemies of the United States, or the U.S. itself considers them as its enemies.

The countries which do not agree to become the U.S. slaves are China, Iran, Libya, Cuba, Syria [Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iraq, Sudan, Indonesia, Malaysia] and Russia. Whoever committed the act of 11 September are not the friends of the American people. I have already said that we are against the American system, not against its people, whereas in these attacks, the common American people have been killed. According to my information, the death toll is much higher than what the U.S. Government has stated. But the Bush Administration does not want the panic to spread. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the U.S. system, but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation, country, or ideology could survive. They can be anyone, from Russia to Israel and from India to Serbia. In the U.S. itself, there are dozens of well-organized and well-equipped groups, which are capable of causing a large-scale destruction. Then you cannot forget the American Jews, who are annoyed with President Bush ever since the elections in Florida and want to avenge him.

Then there are intelligence agencies in the U.S., which require billions of dollars worth of funds from the Congress and the government every year. This [funding issue] was not a big problem till the existence of the former Soviet Union but after that the budget of these agencies has been in danger. They needed an enemy. So, they first started propaganda against Usama and Taleban and then this incident happened. You see, the Bush Administration approved a budget of 40 billion dollars. Where will this huge amount go? It will be provided to the same agencies, which need huge funds and want to exert their importance. Now they will spend the money for their expansion and for increasing their importance. I will give you an example. Drug smugglers from all over the world are in contact with the U.S. secret agencies. These agencies do not want to eradicate narcotics cultivation and trafficking because their importance will be diminished. The people in the U.S. Drug Enforcement Department are encouraging drug trade so that they could show performance and get millions of dollars worth of budget. General Noriega was made a drug baron by the CIA and, in need, he was made a scapegoat. In the same way, whether it is President Bush or any other U.S. President, they cannot bring Israel to justice for its human rights abuses or to hold it accountable for such crimes. What is this? Is it not that there exists a government within the government in the United Sates? That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks.

Daily UMMAT: A number of world countries have joined the call of the United States for launching attacks on Afghanistan. These also include a number of Muslim countries. Will Al-Qaida declare a jehad against these Islamic countries as well?

USAMA BIN LADEN: I must say that my duty is just to awaken the Muslims; to tell them as to what is good for them and what is not. What does Islam says and what the enemies of Islam want? Al-Qaida was set up to wage a jehad against infidelity, particularly to counter the onslaught of the infidel countries against the Islamic states. Jehad is the sixth undeclared pillar of Islam. [The first five being the basic holy words of Islam (There is only one God in the entire universe and Muhammad is the last Prophet of God), prayers, fast, pilgrimage to Mecca and giving alms (zakat).] Every anti-Islamic person is afraid of jehad. Al-Qaida wants to keep jehad alive and active and make it a part of the daily life of the Muslims. It wants to give it the status of worship. We are not against any Islamic country. We do not consider a war against an Islamic country as jehad. We are in favour of armed jehad only against those infidel governments, which are killing innocent Muslim men, women and children just because they are Muslims. Supporting the U.S. act is the need of some Muslim countries and the compulsion of others. However, they should think as to what will remain of their religious and moral position if they support the attack of the Christians and the Jews on a Muslim country like Afghanistan. The orders of Islamic Shariah [jurisprudence] for such individuals, organizations and countries are clear and all the scholars of the Muslim brotherhood are unanimous on them. We will do the same, which is being ordered by the Ameer-ul-Momeneen [the commander of the faithful Afghans] Muhammad Omar and the Islamic scholars. The hearts of the people of Muslim countries are beating with the call of jehad. We are grateful to them.

Daily UMMAT: The losses caused in the attacks in New York and Washington have proved that giving an economic blow to the U.S.is not too difficult. U.S. experts admit that a few more such attacks can bring down the American economy. Why is Al-Qaida not targeting their economic pillars?

USAMA BIN LADEN: I have already said that we are not hostile to the United States. We are against the [U.S. Government] system, which makes other nations slaves of the United States, or forces them to mortgage their political and economic freedom. This system is totally in control of the American-Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is clear that the American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced to live according to the principles and laws laid by them. So, the punishment should reach Israel. In fact, it is Israel, which is giving a blood bath to innocent Muslims and the U.S. is not uttering a single word.

Daily UMMAT: Why is harm not caused to the enemies of Islam through other means, apart from the armed struggle? For instance, urging the Muslims to boycott Western products, banks, shipping lines and TV channels.

USAMA BIN LADEN: The first thing is that Western products could only be boycotted when the Muslim fraternity is fully awakened and organized. Secondly, the Muslim companies should become self-sufficient in producing goods equal to the products of Western companies. Economic boycott of the West is not possible unless economic self-sufficiency is attained and substitute products are brought out. You see that wealth is scattered all across the Muslim World but not a single TV channel has been acquired which can preach Islamic injunctions according to modern requirements and attain an international influence. Muslim traders and philanthropists should make it a point that if the weapon of public opinion is to be used, it is to be kept in the hand. Today's world is of public opinion and the fates of nations are determined through its pressure. Once the tools for building public opinion are obtained, everything that you asked for can be done.

Daily UMMAT: The entire propaganda about your struggle has so far been made by the Western media. But no information is beingreceived from your sources about the network of Al-Qaida and its jehadi successes. Would you comment?

USAMA BIN LADEN: In fact, the Western media is left with nothing else. It has no other theme to survive for a long time. Then we have many other things to do. The struggle for jehad and the successes are for the sake of Allah and not to annoy His bondsmen. Our silence is our real propaganda. Rejections, explanations, or corrigendum only waste your time and through them, the enemy wants you to engage in things which are not of use to you. These things are pulling you away from your cause. The Western media is unleashing such a baseless propaganda, which makes us surprise but it reflects on what is in their hearts and gradually they themselves become captive of this propaganda. They become afraid of it and begin to cause harm to themselves. Terror is the most dreaded weapon in modern age and the Western media is mercilessly using it against its own people. It can add fear and helplessness in the psyche of the people of Europe and the United States. It means that what the enemies of the United States cannot do, its media is doing that. You can understand as to what will be the performance of the nation in a war, which suffers from fear and helplessness.

Daily UMMAT: What will be the impact of the freeze of Al-Qaida accounts by the U.S.?

USAMA BIN LADEN: God opens up ways for those who work for Him. Freezing of accounts will not make any difference for Al-Qaida or other jehad groups. With the grace of Allah, Al-Qaida has more than three alternative financial systems, which are all separate and totally independent from each other. This system is operating under the patronage of those who love jehad. What to say of the United States, even the combined world cannot budge these people from their path. These people are not in hundreds but in thousands and millions. Al-Qaida comprises of such modern educated youths who are aware of the cracks inside the Western financial system as they are aware of the lines in their hands. These are the very flaws of the Western fiscal system, which are becoming a noose for it and this system could not recuperate in spite of the passage of so many days.

Daily UMMAT: Are there other safe areas other than Afghanistan, where you can continue jehad?

USAMA BIN LADEN: There are areas in all parts of the world where strong jehadi forces are present, from Indonesia to Algeria, from Kabul to Chechnya, from Bosnia to Sudan, and from Burma to Kashmir. Then it is not the problem of my person. I am a helpless fellowman of God, constantly in the fear of my accountability before God. It is not the question of Usama but of Islam and, in Islam too, of jehad. Thanks to God, those waging a jehad can walk today with their heads raised. Jehad was still present when there was no Usama and it will remain as such even when Usama is no longer there. Allah opens up ways and creates loves in the hearts of people for those who walk on the path of Allah with their lives, property and children. Believe it, through jehad, a man gets everything he desires. And the biggest desire of a Muslim is the life after death. Martyrdom is the shortest way of attaining an eternal life.

Daily UMMAT: What do you say about the Pakistan Government policy on Afghanistan attack?

USAMA BIN LADEN: We are thankful to the Momin and valiant people of Pakistan who erected a blockade in front of the evil forces and stood in the first file of battle. Pakistan is a great hope for the Islamic brotherhood. Its people are awakened, organized and rich in the spirit of faith. They backed Afghanistan in its war against the Soviet Union and extended every help to the mojahedeen (freedom fighters) and the Afghan people. Then these are very Pakistanis who are standing shoulder by shoulder with the Taleban. If such people emerge in just two countries, the domination of the West will diminish in a matter of days. Our hearts beat with Pakistan and, God forbid, if a difficult time comes we will protect it with our blood. Pakistan is sacred for us like a place of worship. We are the people of jehad and fighting for the defense of Pakistan is the best of all jehads to us. It does not matter for us as to who reforms Pakistan. The important thing is that the spirit of jehad is alive and stronger in the hearts of the Pakistani people.

- Source: Ummat, Urdu-language daily newspaper based in Karachi, Pakistan - Friday, 28 September 2001 - pages 1, 7. - Source: BBC Monitoring Service. - Source: http://www.khilafah.comhttp://www.khilafah.com/1421/category.php?DocumentID=2392&TagID=2

Carol A. Valentine President, Public Action, Inc. Copyright, October, 2001. May be reproduced for non-commercial purposes.

Weet TS ook maar een beetje over het middenoosten, alle conflicten * die al 500 jaar aan de gang zijn * en alles wat er bij komt kijken?

Rare vragen weer, de WTC is een insider job, hype is weer over, op naar een volgend punt?