NorthernStar | vrijdag 29 februari 2008 @ 02:47 |
Topic bedoeld voor het onderzoeken van de feiten en omstandigheden rondom de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway en probeert de rol die individuen en autoriteiten spelen en hebben gespeeld sinds Natalee's verdwijning op 30 mei 2005 aan het licht te brengen. Om het topic meer toegankelijk voor buitenlanders te maken kun je in het engels posten maar dit staat iedereen natuurlijk vrij. ![]() This topic is meant to explore for the facts and circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and to bring to light what part individuals and authorities play and have played since Natalee's disappearance on May 30, 2005. - links to additional info can be added to the initial post as we go along ---- - Tim Miller van Texas EquuSearch bij On the Record met Greta van Susteren Over de gevonden krabbenval, textiel of kleding, DNA sporen en wat volgens Miller een schedel was. [ Bericht 7% gewijzigd door NorthernStar op 29-02-2008 07:43:45 ] | |
APK | vrijdag 29 februari 2008 @ 02:52 |
Hopelijk komen er feiten in dit topic en niet teveel disinformatie via andere fora waar ze denken dat het kritisch bekijken van aannames trollen is. | |
NorthernStar | vrijdag 29 februari 2008 @ 03:05 |
quote:Kritisch bekijken is altijd ok. ![]() | |
Rosite | zaterdag 1 maart 2008 @ 14:52 |
quote:Dit snap ik even niet. Is ook in strijd met de eerste posting van je. Als je dit wilt hier, wil je niet echte feiten m.i. Je hebt het bij voorbaat dan al ingekleurd. Je zoekt naar de hulp die Joran en handlangers hebben gehad. Wat echter als de cover-up en dus de hulp aan de VS-zijde ligt? | |
NorthernStar | zaterdag 1 maart 2008 @ 19:31 |
quote:Zie het als een stelling, je kunt het er wel of niet mee eens zijn. Niet ingekleurd maar het onderwerp van het topic zoals de titel aangeeft. Wil je een andere theorie bespreken dan kun je daar een topic over openen. enz. | |
observer777 | zondag 2 maart 2008 @ 02:39 |
Chapter 1: Conflicts of Interest![]() ![]() Michael Dompig:(Dompigs Son)Friends of Geoffrey Von Croimvort who was arrested and questioned in this case.Told Dave Holloway that PVDS borrowed Koen Gottenbo's boat to dispose of Natalee on 5-31-05. It was reported in the Media he overheard 3 people saying they used a boat to dispose of Natalee. When he was questioned by the ALE his father resigned from the Natalee case as Commissioner. Buuti Naar: Dompigs Brother In law who implicated the two innocent security guards in the case saying they were in Natalee's room and stealing from the MB kids. Also said he saw Natalee with cocaine. Dinesh Pitbull Djoegan: X Brother In law of Gerald Dompig. He was found in Guadirikiri cave on 04/05/2006 -His head was bashed in,legs cut off and set on fire. It was ruled a suicide and many many suspicious events surround his death. He worked for choose-a-name bar as a bouncer that burned down shortly after his death. David Kock slipped in a interview that JK2 stopped at another bar after C&C and it is rumored that it was this bar. The two psychics that Aruba hired continue to say he was involved in Natalee's dissapearance. K2 Brothers: Commissioner Dompigs cousins ![]() Judge Bob Witt Judicial associate of Paulus van der Sloot changed the search warrant on the spot from the entire VDS residence to a small part of the property,Joran's little apt and the two cars. High Ranking official Ben Vocking(King)laid low for two weeks purportedly staying at the Van der Sloot residence. He surfaced on June 15, 2005 at the door of the Van der Sloot home with Dutch Judge Bob Wit to block the search of the Van der Sloot property when the police and prosecution authorities arrived with a full search warrant. It wasn't until two years later that the VDS house was fully searched. Judge Bob Wit intervened again eight days later when Joran’s father Paulus Van Der Sloot was arrested for reasonable suspicion in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, once again blocking a search of the Van Der Sloot home. Without question Bob Wit knew Paulus van der Sloot - they worked on cases together and appear to be very good friends judging from such an outrageous ruling. Since when do arrested murder suspects get immunity from having their houses searched? Judge Bob Wit needs to answer this question in the open forum of the Caribbean Court of Justice, rather than hide behind the opaque wall of Dutch law Some of Mr. Justice Wit's assignments in recent times have brought him into close contact with Judiciaries of the English, French and Spanish speaking Caribbean. He has led judicial delegations to Antigua & Barbuda (1997) and Cuba (2002) for the purpose of obtaining evidence in high profile criminal cases in those territories. In his role as judicial educator, the Honourable Judge has been involved in conducting training workshops and seminars for judicial trainees and Judges from Suriname, Haiti, and the Commonwealth Caribbean. ![]() Judge Rick Smid– Reportedly a friend of PVDS who stayed at VDS home. It was Judge Rick Smid who released the three suspects and gave them an unconditional release granting them immunity from further questioning in the case. On August 30, 2005 Judge Smid issued a ruling that Joran should be held another 30 days, flew back to Curacao and immediately faxed in a reversal of his ruling. Police statements and secret recordings of the three suspects suggest intimate knowledge of "something bad" happening to Holloway. He was also aware that Joran van der Sloot had lied repeatedly in his police statements and conflicting statements from all the suspects. Judge Rick Smid chose to ignore this and grant immunity instead. Upon his release, Joran van der Sloot fled the island of Aruba to Holland where he currently resides. As we know none of the suspects have ever been questioned again. Including Paul Van Der Sloot where it was ruled by Aruba's highest court that he had two contacts with Natalee Holloway including at 4am two hours after his son said he left her at the beach. ![]() Jan van der Straaten-Police Chief for the Aruba Police Department and close friend of Paulus van der Sloot . Jan van der Straten's role as lead investigator in the first two months of the Natalee Holloway case demonstrates the obvious conflicts of interest found in the Aruba investigation. Van der Straaten was, by Paulus van der Sloot's own public admission, a "close friend" of Van der Sloot and worked for PVDS years earlier. We know PVDS and JVDS were in constant contact during the Investigation and we know the bogus evidence that got the security guards arrested was by Gerald Dompig's brother-in law who also states he saw Natalee Holloway with cocaine. Both are definite flat out lies. Van der Straten would have been very instrumental in the decision not to arrest the three main suspects in Natalee's disappearance until 10 days after she vanished, even though he knew immediately that they lied about dropping the Alabama teen off at the Holiday Inn.Van der Straten would have also been involved in the decision to arrest two black security guards on June 5, 2005 which in effect prolonged the time given to the three suspects to cover their tracks and eliminate any evidence that should have been collected immediately upon the discovery of the Holiday Inn lie.Van der Straten stated to Dutch media on June 12, 2005 that he believed Natalee was no longer alive and when asked by the reporter why he would make such a comment he responded, "Because I know the evidence and you don't. Interestingly, two years later the lead investigator has never explained what that evidence is.He also made comment months after we were told he was retiring and moved to the neighboring island of Bonaire as he took the same title as Police Commissioner. He stated that the case should have been solved early on but that there were "people who didn't want to cooperate." Since suspects rarely cooperate, Van der Straten had to have been talking about a corrupt Aruban government and Dutch judiciary. Any high-ranking official with such a close relationship to a suspect's parent should have recused himself or alternately been forced off the case, but this is Aruba, a country in the grip of Mafia control who never saw a conflict of interest they didn't like. From Joran's Book Van der Straaten arrives and tells Joran that he "has known your father for years. I only want to help you. I am going to see to it that you can go to Holland, that you will not have to go to jail, but that you will be committed to a mental institution. You only have to tell the truth." posted on 06/12/2005 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- UPDATE 24: Tuesday night during the broadcast of the most popular entertainment news program in The Netherlands, RTL-Boulevard, crime reporter John van den Heuvel announced that he talked to police commissioner Jan van der Straten, who is heading the investigation. The commissioner told van den Heuvel that they expect the case of Natalee Holloway to be solved within the next 24 hours. [ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door NorthernStar op 04-03-2008 23:28:04 (afbeeldingen gefixed) ] | |
706AA | zondag 2 maart 2008 @ 12:07 |
Interssante post. Die pa VdS is ook te zien op een tape in het casino. Bij het verdwenen meisje aan tafel. | |
roosevelt | maandag 3 maart 2008 @ 21:12 |
To Observer 777, Thank you for your honesty! You have some interesting information that I think the Dutch Joran supporters group would be interested in, particularly the piece on the poor Dutch woman reporter whose death was deemed a suicide and is obviously a victim of foul play. Could you please post those pictures on the blog NWO: wat als Joran onschuldig blijkt. They are a group of delusional complot thinkers and have even mentioned YOU in their last posts. Renne Gielen is on line as well with her usual "B.S". This case sets a precedent in that I don't believe that there has ever been a missing person's case in history where the victim and the victim's family has been maligned as much as Natalee Holloway. The best of luck to you! A friend... | |
Caesu | dinsdag 4 maart 2008 @ 17:14 |
NOVA doet een 3-delige serie over corruptie op de antillen/aruba. gister over snoepreisjes van nederlandse ambtenaren naar de antillen. en over corruptie op st. maarten. Anke Bijleveld, staatssecretaris van koninkrijksrelaties, deed een poging er een draai aan te geven. niet overtuigend imo. http://www.novatv.nl/link.cfm?table=Reportage&key=rep_id&keyval=5853 vrijdag/zaterdag de volgende delen. | |
observer777 | dinsdag 4 maart 2008 @ 23:14 |
quote:Hello, It wasn't just the Reporter/Producer but also her Cameraman who was hung 2 weeks later with one hand in his pocket,Do you have any thoughts on these two horrific deaths? I only know a small amount of info and the more I look the more it stinks! I will be happy to post most of what I know at that site,but I am curious why post it there? Do you think there is a connection to this case? Your right about a presedent being set that we have not seen before in regards to slandering and lying about the Victim and her Family. If you look at the blogs that didnt erase it all,they were at work within a week after Natalee went missing. We know that Oduber/Briesen and company chose to launch a campaign within the first week and they have never stopped. By there own figures 77% of the tourists in Aruba come from the United States and 80% percent of the Arubans work in the Tourism trade or associated with it. Thank you for your kind words and I look forward to more of your posts. O | |
Caesu | donderdag 11 december 2008 @ 23:21 |
quote:http://www.volkskrant.nl/(...)tie_in_zaak-Holloway | |
validname | vrijdag 12 december 2008 @ 16:45 |
quote: http://nu.nl/algemeen/188(...)e-zaak-holloway.html | |
yyentle | zaterdag 13 december 2008 @ 08:46 |
quote:Eerst vertelt Joran dat zijn vader hem naar het casino bracht: quote:Later vertelt Joran dat zijn vader meeging: quote:omdat zijn vader intussen had geinformeerd of de camera's aanstonden: quote: | |
yyentle | zaterdag 13 december 2008 @ 09:06 |
quote:http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/ quote:http://www.antillenmagazi(...)olloway-zaak_18.html | |
yyentle | zaterdag 13 december 2008 @ 14:19 |
Hier staat een brief, verstuurd door de PG van aruba. [JORAN] #5 quote:http://www.novatv.nl/index.cfm?ln=nl&fuseaction=videoaudio.details&reportage_id=3548 quote:http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article481056.ece | |
yyentle | zaterdag 13 december 2008 @ 18:14 |
quote: quote:http://zoeken.rechtspraak.nl/resultpage.aspx?snelzoeken=true&searchtype=ljn&ljn=BC7427&u_ljn=BC7427 Heeft waarschijnlijk nada met Holloway te maken. | |
yyentle | zaterdag 13 december 2008 @ 18:38 |
De Kalpoe broers hebben toen ze de leugen(dat ze Natalee bij het Holiday Inn hotel hadden afgezet) lieten vallen, diverse malen, uitgebreid en afzonderlijk van elkaar verteld dat ze Natalee achter het Marriott hotel hadden afgezet. Hun echte verhaal is dat ze na een telefoontje van Jorans vader op verzoek van Joran een leugen bedachten. Deze leugen was dat de drie jongens Natalee bij het Holiday In hadden afgezet in plaats van dat ze Joran en Natalee bij een ander hotel, het Marriott, op verzoek van Joran hadden laten uitstappen. In de week van de verdwijning zijn er besprekingen bij VanderSloot thuis geweest over wat de jongens moesten verklaren. Volgens Deepak en Satish wisten Jorans ouders niet dat Natalee in werkelijkheid bij het Marriott hotel was afgezet. In dit topic wordt in de verklaringen beschreven hoe Jorans vader de Kalpoe broers vertelde dat hij ze geloofde, maar hen er tegelijkertijd op wijst dat, mochten ze gearresteerd worden, ze geen ander verhaal mochten vertellen. Ook is uit de vragen van de politie op te maken dat Jorans moeder de jongens had gewaarschuwd uit de buurt van Marriott hotel te blijven. Waarom probeerden Jorans ouders Deepak en Satish om de tuin te leiden? Deepak en Satish Kalpoe: mededaders of onschuldig? | |
ToT | zondag 14 december 2008 @ 09:08 |
Schopje [MIS]? | |
yyentle | zondag 14 december 2008 @ 09:18 |
quote:Als jij het onderwerp over Deepak en Satish geen complot vindt: ga vooral je gang. Bij misdaad is het onderwerp over Deepak en Satish gesloten. Kun je het onderwerp over Deepak en Satish hier zelfstandig verder laten lopen? | |
ToT | zondag 14 december 2008 @ 11:30 |
BNW = Brave New World. Grootschalige complotten om wereldheerschappij of dat soort blijheid te krijgen. Complotten om misdaden te verdoezelen / op gang te houden klinkt mij meer als [MIS] in de oren. ![]() | |
yyentle | zondag 14 december 2008 @ 13:00 |
quote:Grote(re) complotten beginnen altijd klein en hebben aftakkingen. ![]() Complotten om de wereldheerschappij te krijgen zijn het niet, waren het ook niet toen het onderwerp hier startte. ![]() | |
ToT | zondag 14 december 2008 @ 19:12 |
*Trekt werkschoenen met stalen neuzen aan en schopt het topic naar [MIS]* | |
bolsena | zondag 14 december 2008 @ 20:12 |
quote:Ik las gisteren of eergisteren ook ergens iets, ik weet alleen niet meer waar (ik lees zoveel informatie de laatste tijd). Of deze informatie waar is, weet ik niet. Het staat wel op internet. Het verhaal gaat als volgt: D en S hebben N en J afgezet bij het Marriott. Daarna heeft J het Marriott verlaten. Vervolgens is, volgens die bron, Deepak omstreeks 4:00 's ochtends teruggekomen naar het Marriott om "iets te doen" of omdat hij "iets was vergeten". Of deze informatie waar is weet ik niet, maar aangezien dit een "complot-topic" is vind niemand het vast erg dat ik het even vermeld. Is Deepak echt om 4:00 teruggegaan naar het Marriott? Iemand bekend met dit gegeven/gerucht? | |
Svnn | dinsdag 16 december 2008 @ 10:04 |
tvp | |
yyentle | woensdag 17 december 2008 @ 19:30 |
quote:Is dat de nieuwste update van Joran en zijn adviseurs (m/v)? ![]() | |
bolsena | woensdag 17 december 2008 @ 22:22 |
quote:Dat Deepak om 4:00 's nachts terug was gegaan naar het Marriott om "iets te doen"? Ja, dat hebben Anita, Valentijn en dat jongere dikkerdje samen verzonnen toen ze in een slimme bui waren. ![]() Maar serieus weer, dat las ik ergens. Ik weet al lang niet meer waar ik dat las. Laat staan of het een betrouwbaar gerucht of een echt feit is of niet. Ik zal nog wel eens googlen. | |
yyentle | vrijdag 19 december 2008 @ 19:17 |
quote: quote:Je weet dat deze gegevens kloppen? ![]() Is ie de schoenen van Joran gaan halen? ![]() |