Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #3

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Op donderdag 7 februari 2008 07:35 schreef yvonne het volgende:

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I also tried to make my point, the world outside is no Disneyland, if you send you're children on a vacation far away, be aware ( as a parent) to warn your child, for realtime dangers.
This has nothing to do with Aruba, I presume in America you don't send you're child to the slums of * insert name of town*
* Good girls don't have sex before their married*

Yes they do, miles away from home, don't EVER close your eyes for that and warn them for the consequences, always.

I think they are pretty aware of the dangers.

You know we've had these discussions on Fok! as well. Users who where arguing that those girls "got what they deserved", "they were asking for it" etc.

If such is enough to cause a stir here on Fok, what do you imagine it would effect a forum for a large part dedicated to missing persons?

Like I said, I do not accuse MM of anything, the suggestion was there and that was enough. It wasnt very thoughtful to say the least.

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Op donderdag 7 februari 2008 07:29 schreef yvonne het volgende:
I considered it as "bigtalk" pseudogangstertalk.
In Holland we don't have big lawsuits like you know over there.
Compensation suits are very uncommon and very hard to get.

Yes the Kalpoes are suing for 800 million american dollars right now ..In america you can be dirt poor and sue for milions. I posted this earlier but I find it stunning..This was printed in Diario newspaper after Paul Van Der Sloot was denied money when he sued the Aruban courts. He originally was awarded money but they appealed and he lost. Why did they wait so long before this info came out? They were telling the world another story about Joran leaving her at the beach at 2AM. PVDS stated for weeks he picked up Natalee and Joran at 4AM then changed his story. I dont get this at all!!

Superior Court - Diario - 02-14-2007
The whole case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gets a different twist now that the information has come out from no less than the Superior Court, and in which mention is made of the declarations of witnesses and a phone tap that show or give an indication that Paul van der Sloot had on two occasions personal contact with Natalee during the night that she disappeared. Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn. Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions. (Translation Credit: Diario)
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/2/14/

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/


Superior Court
January, 2007

The possible involvement of Paulus with that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a taped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court). The taped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.”

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Op donderdag 7 februari 2008 07:54 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:

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I think they are pretty aware of the dangers.

There's the difference in culture again
If you're brought up that girls are good, and don't do bad things, swearing is a no go, etc etc etc,.
Well, we're drifting

I just like to say, as a parent, it's very hard to realise that your children are never, ever save in this world, what age they've become..
And people can be very hard in their judgements.
It worries me to see ( in discussions not only about Natalee) that people can say that someone "had it comming" and I can only hope they're saying it just on the internet and irl they have a more civilized opinion..

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Op donderdag 7 februari 2008 07:34 schreef MadMaster het volgende:

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That he won't get a penny...

PVDS thinks he is much smarter than everyone else..When they were digging up his back yard last year,He went on Dutch radio and called them boys and girls on vacation in his back yard,drinking and eating and enjoying themselves. But I think the secret video of his son may dash his dreams of a big fat settlement check

Yes,What happened yesterday when I said Beth was Sweet and Caring..All hell broke loose here? I saw people puking and saying it was a culture difference. You guys forget I know many dutch people in almost every province in Holland..I am clueless what I did to upset so many here? I don't know beth and Natalee personally but believe me I know of them very well and I am a very good judge of character.

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Op donderdag 7 februari 2008 07:46 schreef yvonne het volgende:

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True, but speaking just for myself, it makes me uncomfortable to read that all Dutch are scum

Ik heb ook geen zin om het hier in Engels neer te zetten, ze gooien het maar door Babelfish heen,

Ergo, dus Peter R. de Vries is ook scum? Hij is psvr ook Nederlands.
Dat gebash op de Nederlanders en hun bananenrepubiek Aruba (volgens Bange Aapjes) gebeurd daar al vanaf november 2005. Toen kreeg ik daar al een ban omdat ik alleen maar zei dat ik de boycot niet gerechtvaardigd vond. Nadat ik in de grond werd geboord door allerlei opmerking welke ik hier niet zal herhalen omdat ze te belachelijk zijn voor woorden, heb ik zonder boe of bah een ban gekregen. Waar doen jullie de moeite voor om daar wat neer te zetten? Tegenspraak dulden ze daar niet, al helemaal niet van Nederlanders of Arubanen. Het enige wat ik enigszins "vermakelijk" vind aan die site is dat ze alles tot op de bodem uitzoeken maar dan nog, hoe je het reilt of zeilt, geen wettelijke bewijzen, vooralsnog alleen maar aannames.

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Op donderdag 7 februari 2008 08:10 schreef observer777 het volgende:
Yes,What happened yesterday when I said Beth was Sweet and Caring..All hell broke loose here? I saw people puking and saying it was a culture difference. You guys forget I know many dutch people in almost every province in Holland..I am clueless what I did to upset so many here? I don't know beth and Natalee personally but believe me I know of them very well and I am a very good judge of character.

Oh dear
The 2 or 3 comments of a FOK user you mean? That against the many unfriendly comments MM got on SM yesterday? Give me a break please! Yes, I know that you know some Dutch and I truly admire your hard work in getting this case solved. But the comments he got on SM, really.... that made me clueless.... shall I copy and paste? Nahhh... better not!

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Op donderdag 7 februari 2008 08:28 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:

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Oh dear
The 2 or 3 comments of a FOK user you mean? That against the many unfriendly comments MM got on SM yesterday? Give me a break please! Yes, I know that you know some Dutch and I truly admire your hard work in getting this case solved. But the comments he got on SM, really.... that made me clueless.... shall I copy and paste? Nahhh... better not!

Haha just curious is all because I thought it may have been or a cultural thing like what stated here. No harm, really just wanted some opinions here is all.

Well,I had a feeling that may happen yesterday,I warned both sides.I even edited a post or two so they would give him a chance. He was being bombarded by questions and I did not know he would bring up defending Aruba and talk about some girls that party it up in Aruba and some things that would be sore subjects at SM so quickly. Nothing I could really do People have been through hell supporting that family and I hope you understand this. I tried to tell you some of the things in that post I responded to your questions on and I really believe you would be shocked at what has happened to Natalee's family. At times recently there has been up to 400 people online at one time at SM and I can't control it all. They arent used to someone defending Aruba and that isn't very knowledgeable about the case. I think MM is a regular Aruban/Dutch guy and not a plant that has terrorized,lied,slandered and spread dis-information like so many we have encountered in the last 2.5 years. Probably a deicent person from what he has said so far in this thread. I wouldn't go over to SM though and laugh at them because only 62 signed a online boycott thing though..

[ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door observer777 op 07-02-2008 09:07:41 ]

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Op donderdag 7 februari 2008 08:43 schreef Scorpie het volgende:

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So its true; SM is censoring all negative feedback on Natalee Holloway.

Weren't you the one who asked why Beth responded as if Natalee had been killed? After she just heard Natale might have been alive when she was dumped into the ocean.

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 08:32 schreef Scorpie het volgende:
Het rare vond ik dat ze zei "Look what they have done to her", alsof ze haar vermoord hadden
Beetje vreemd, want zoals Joran het zei over haar drank en drugsgebruik ging ze zelf ook niet helemaal vrijuit zeg maar...

Right.

"Like flies"

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Op donderdag 7 februari 2008 08:39 schreef Scorpie het volgende:

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Thats a bit contradictive don`t you think? Besides; stating that you know someone if he/she is good of character without even meeting them, is a bit......far fetched.

Well top of the mornin to ya No I don't agree at all with you. I have many close friends that know them very well and I trust there opinions...I have read/seen most everything both parents have said in the last 2.5 years and my opinion on them is far from being far fetched. They are good people and I will vouch for there character and bet everything I have on there reputation.

Whats your opinion of Anita and Paul Van Der Sloot?

I opened a topic yesterday with some names which have passed along during the holloway-case with a personal comment, but it's been closed. I've asked the moderator why it's been closed but still have no anwser.

The comment I made then, just won't leave my toughts, but because I don't now why the topic has been closed i won't repeat it. I would find it a shame if I would get an IP-block for posting it again.

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Op donderdag 7 februari 2008 08:59 schreef Lady_Mixje het volgende:
I opened a topic yesterday with some names which have passed along during the holloway-case with a personal comment, but it's been closed. I've asked the moderator why it's been closed but still have no anwser.

The comment I made then, just won't leave my toughts, but because I don't now why the topic has been closed i won't repeat it. I would find it a shame if I would get an IP-block for posting it again.

I don't understand this forum yet. I tried to post in a few threads like the Lorenzo Van Rijn thread and it was locked as well as a few others.

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Op donderdag 7 februari 2008 08:50 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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Haha just curious is all because I thought it may have been or a cultural thing like what stated here. No harm, really just wanted some opinions here is all.

Well,I had a feeling that may happen yesterday,I warned both sides.I even edited a post or two so they would give him a chance. He was being bombarded by questions and I did not know he would bring up defending Aruba and talk about some girls that party it up in Aruba and some things that would be sore subjects at SM so quickly. Nothing I could really do People have been through hell supporting that family and I hope you understand this. I tried to tell you some of the things in that post I responded to your questions on and I really believe you would be shocked at what has happened to Natalee's family. At times recently there has been up to 400 people online at one time at SM and I can't control it all. They arent used to someone defending Aruba and that isn't very knowledgeable about the case. I think MM is a regular Aruban/Dutch guy and not a plant that has terrorized,lied,slandered and spread dis-information like so many we have encountered in the last 2.5 years. Probably a deicent person from what he has said so far in this thread. I wouldn't go over to SM though and laugh at them because only 62 signed a online boycott thing though..

I understand more or less the aggravation but when you (on SM) try to solve things it's also very handy to have some Arubans or Dutch around for example the legal matters, cause the legal system is totally different here in Holland and in Aruba than in the US. There was one Dutch guy Rammstein, gone... Arubagirl.... gone....Hannie.... gone... you know what I mean? Those people maybe had another opinion about the case but could help in many ways.

Also, if you would be attacked here at FOK like MM was attacked on his posts yesterday on SM, the posts would be deleted... I think... And never forget that in Dutch we say things differently so it could be possible that ur posters read/understand it differently.

And yes, I'm shocked, first of all because of what happened to Natalee.....

[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door BwennieBren op 07-02-2008 09:28:15 ]

Oh and Observer777 I have seen your answers ofcourse and relpied on them here

Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) II

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Op donderdag 7 februari 2008 09:12 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:

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I understand more or less the aggravation but when you (on SM) try to solve things it's also very handy to have some Arubans or Dutch around for example the legal matters, cause the legal system is totally different here in Holland and in Aruba than in the US. There was one Dutch guy, pfffff.... I don't remember his nickname anymore (he's also a FOK user) he had the nick of a heavy metal group if I recall, gone... Arubagirl.... gone....Hannie.... gone... you know what I mean? Those people maybe had another opinion about the case but could help in many ways.

Also, if you would be attacked here at FOK like MM was attacked on his posts yesterday on SM, the posts would be deleted... I think... And never forget that in Dutch we say things differently so it could be possible that ur posters read/understand it differently.

And yes, I'm shocked, first of all because of what happened to Natalee.....

I love having Dutch and Arubans around..The problem is there are no Arubans on any of the Pro Natalee websites and really not many Dutch either. Just lately we have seen two or three at SM and they have been fantastic. We have seen so many people with other motives that twist the facts,derail the truth and trash NH and her family. You can find them at several sites under different names.

You talking about Rammstein? I know of Arubagirl and Hannie are..AG has posted some very interesting things. I dont care about different opinions as I only care about uncovering the truth and despise when people have other motives besides that. I am here for one reason only. Personally I love other cultures and people and I enjoy seeing and hearing what they say. Especially in this case because it looks like all 3 countries are involved.

I feel ignored

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Op donderdag 7 februari 2008 09:39 schreef yvonne het volgende:
I feel ignored

same here!

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Op donderdag 7 februari 2008 09:38 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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I love having Dutch and Arubans around..The problem is there are no Arubans on any of the Pro Natalee websites and really not many Dutch either. Just lately we have seen two or three at SM and they have been fantastic. We have seen so many people with other motives that twist the facts,derail the truth and trash NH and her family. You can find them at several sites under different names.

You talking about Rammstein? I know of Arubagirl and Hannie are..AG has posted some very interesting things. I dont care about different opinions as I only care about uncovering the truth and despise when people have other motives besides that. I am here for one reason only. Personally I love other cultures and people and I enjoy seeing and hearing what they say.

Yes I mean Rammstein, I already edited my post
It is YOU who like other cultures and people and enjoy hearing what they say about this casue, others(a lot) on SM not and there's the problem. I think a lot of the Dutch and Aruban poster stay away from SM because of that.

Anyway, better to ventilate your ideas and finding here, instead as us posting on SM, just as good, and no irritation vice versa... won't you say?

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Op donderdag 7 februari 2008 09:39 schreef yvonne het volgende:
I feel ignored

I feel your pain....

I'm off to the hospital

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Op donderdag 7 februari 2008 09:48 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:

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I feel your pain....

I'm off to the hospital

Bye Matrix-babe