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  zondag 3 februari 2008 @ 15:24:13 #26
89730 Drugshond
De Euro. Mislukt vanaf dag 1.
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quote:
Undersea internet cable cut in Middle East – Should Iran be worried?
americanchronicle


By Ian Brockwell
February 02, 2008
There has been some concern that the undersea internet cables, that have been cut recently, are perhaps no accident?

The first incident happened 8km from Alexandria in Egypt, which involved 2 cables apparently alongside each other. According to initial reports, the cables may have been "snapped" by a ship´s anchor.

Whilst this explanation is certainly a possibility, it seems a strange coincidence that barely two days later another cable is cut, this time 56km from Dubai in the Persian Gulf. There is even rumor of a fourth cable being damaged, but this has not been confirmed.

The countries most affected by the damaged cables are Egypt, India and the Middle East (in particular Iran). Israel and Iraq, as far as we can tell, were not affected by this problem as they use an alternative route for this service.

Cables involved in the "breaks" belong to companies connected to Reliance Communication Ventures, where Anil Ambani has a 66.75% interest. His father (Dhirubhai Ambani) originally founded the company and it is a classical rags to riches story.

Dhirubhai Ambani started with absolutely nothing, but developed a company that was a huge success. Questions were raised about how Dhirubhai managed to raise so much cash to do this, and this appears to be the result of a "Non-Resident Indian" investing Rs. 220 million in Reliance during 1982-1983. Dhirubhai has been accused of "manipulating" government policies and was known to be a "king-maker" in government elections (enjoying a certain amount of media protection). He was also involved in other business interests, including the oil industry.
  zondag 3 februari 2008 @ 16:24:14 #27
143274 -skippybal-
Stuiterdestuiter
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  zondag 3 februari 2008 @ 17:41:47 #28
188734 Revolution-NL
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Het zou me niks verbazen als Bush net voor het beeindigen van zijn termijn nog een oorlogje start.
  zondag 3 februari 2008 @ 18:00:00 #29
104871 remlof
Europees federalist
pi_56504484
Iran is inmiddels helemaal afgesneden van het internet:


Zie ook in NWS: Meerdere midden-oosterse onderzee internetkabels gebroken
  zondag 3 februari 2008 @ 18:19:27 #30
54164 Sm0keZ
Spatienazi
pi_56504826
Overigens zijn Colombia, Florida (US) en Zuid Afrika ook disconnected.
Begrijp er geen reet van, het lijkt me toch dat er in de US toch wel aardig wat backbones door het land heen liggen... Is het zo moeilijk om die routingtabellen aan te passen ofzo?
pi_56505226
Another undersea Internet cable damaged in Mideast: Indian firm.
http://malaysia.news.yaho(...)nternet-558302b.html

Hoeveel zijn er nu in totaal stuk ?
We must guard against the aquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes.
Eisenhower1961.
  zondag 3 februari 2008 @ 18:44:13 #32
104871 remlof
Europees federalist
pi_56505278
"The only 2 countries that were unaffected were Israel and Iraq, the only two close Anglo-American allies in the region, both remaining completely unaffected by the cable cuts"

Goh wat toevallig - bron
  zondag 3 februari 2008 @ 18:55:25 #33
54164 Sm0keZ
Spatienazi
pi_56505512
quote:
Op zondag 3 februari 2008 18:41 schreef Resonancer het volgende:
Another undersea Internet cable damaged in Mideast: Indian firm.
http://malaysia.news.yaho(...)nternet-558302b.html

Hoeveel zijn er nu in totaal stuk ?
Drie zijn er officieel bevestigd, maar er gaan verhalen dat er nog een 4e lijn down is.
  zondag 3 februari 2008 @ 19:24:49 #34
188734 Revolution-NL
VOC Mentaliteit
pi_56506059
14 572 ms 560 ms 555 ms n2-r2-c7206.iranet.ir [194.225.150.2]

Hier nog wel een iraanse server die online is.
Het is natuurlijk wel de vraag of deze server daadwerkelijk in Iran gelocaliseerd is.
  zondag 3 februari 2008 @ 19:30:37 #35
54164 Sm0keZ
Spatienazi
pi_56506181
Volgens mij komt deze wel gewoon bij Iran uit, hetzij met een behoorlijke omweg... (singapore)

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# AS num Network name Domain IP Time Graph Country Region City Organisation Longitude Latitude 
1 15772 217-RIPE/WNET fe5.cs0-nan.kv.wnet.ua 217.20.165.6 0.8ms   Ukraine   W NET ISP 32 49 
2 15772 217-RIPE/WNET ge0-1-0-v6.cr1.kv.wnet.ua 217.20.160.100 4.2ms   Ukraine   W NET ISP 32 49 
3 25462 81-RIPE/RETN ae0-201.RT771-001.kiv.retn.net 81.222.5.141 1.5ms   Russian Federation Moscow City Moscow RETN.net 38 56 
4 25462 81-RIPE/RETN ae1-3.RT741-001.stk.retn.net 81.222.15.105 66.6ms   Russian Federation Moscow City Moscow RETN.net 38 56 
5 3549 GBLX-6C  208.50.13.186 230.7ms         
6 7473 APNIC-CIDR-BLK/SINGTEL-IX-AP ge-5-3-0-0.plapx-cr3.ix.singtel.com 203.208.172.186 232.4ms   Singapore  Singapore SingTel Internet Exchange 104 1 
7 7473 APNIC-CIDR-BLK/SINGTEL-IX-AP ae0-0.plapx-cr2.ix.singtel.com 203.208.154.173 242.3ms   Singapore  Singapore SingTel Internet Exchange 104 1 
8 7473 APNIC-CIDR-BLK/SINGTEL-IX-AP so-2-0-1-0.sngtp-cr1.ix.singtel.com 203.208.151.89 419.2ms   Singapore  Singapore SingTel Internet Exchange 104 1 
9 7473 APNIC-CIDR-BLK/SINGTEL-IX  203.208.191.98 451.4ms         
10 34513 85-RIPE/TSTONLINE  85.198.11.197 449.0ms         
11 21341 RIPE-C3/TAKTA-NET  62.220.96.121 446.8/*ms         
12 21341 RIPE-C3/TAKTA-NET fa5-1-1.ipm-gw.bb.niavaran.tehran.sinet.ir 62.220.99.2 650.9ms   Iran, Islamic Republic of Tehran Tehran Soroush Interactive Network 51 36 
13 6736 RIPE-CBLK2/IRACNET n2-r2-c7206.iranet.ir 194.225.150.2 657.9ms  

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lol wtf, dit kan gewoon geen toeval meer zijn
  zondag 3 februari 2008 @ 22:00:16 #37
693 ChOas
** Warning: Choking hazard **
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- of niet -
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

[Stephen Roberts]
  zondag 3 februari 2008 @ 22:04:42 #38
145172 gronk
adulescentulus carnifex
pi_56509918
quote:
Op zondag 3 februari 2008 22:00 schreef ChOas het volgende:
- of niet -
Goed lezen doet wonderen
I'm trying to make the 'net' a kinder, gentler place. One where you could bring the fuckin' children.
  zondag 3 februari 2008 @ 22:05:47 #39
693 ChOas
** Warning: Choking hazard **
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quote:
Op zondag 3 februari 2008 22:04 schreef gronk het volgende:

[..]

Goed lezen doet wonderen
Doorlezen is meestal een blessing, ja...
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

[Stephen Roberts]
  zondag 3 februari 2008 @ 23:37:14 #40
176420 Dibble
Neqschot...?
pi_56513759
Zeer frapant dit, blijf het volgen.
*Hosselcopter*
  maandag 4 februari 2008 @ 03:25:31 #41
89730 Drugshond
De Euro. Mislukt vanaf dag 1.
pi_56518743
Uit de oude doos.
quote:
Spy agency taps into undersea cable
By Neil Jr., News.com
Published on ZDNet News: May 23, 2001 12:00:00 AM

WASHINGTON--For decades, the National Security Agency did most of its spying by plucking information out of thin air. With a global network of listening stations and satellites, the NSA eavesdropped on phone conversations in Saddam Hussein's bunker, snatched Soviet missile-launch secrets and once caught Brezhnev in his limousine chatting about his mistress.

The NSA's task was relatively simple then because most international phone-and-data traffic moved via satellites or microwave towers. The agency sucked up those signals and sorted through them with supercomputers. Few of its eavesdroppers risked life or limb, and those they spied upon were often none the wiser.

But today the NSA's snooping capabilities are in jeopardy, undermined by advances in telecommunications technology. Much of the information the agency once gleaned from the airwaves now travels in the form of light beams through fiber-optic cables crisscrossing continents and ocean floors. That shift has forced the NSA to seek new ways to gather intelligence--including tapping undersea cables, a technologically daunting, physically dangerous and potentially illegal task.

In the mid-1990s, the NSA installed one such tap, say former intelligence officials familiar with the covert project. Using a special spy submarine, they say, agency personnel descended hundreds of feet into one of the oceans and sliced into a fiber-optic cable. The mixed results of the experiment--particularly the agency's inability to make sense of the vast flood of data unleashed by the tap--show that America's pre-eminent spy service has huge challenges to overcome if it hopes to keep from going deaf in the digital age.

Details of the NSA cable-tapping project are sketchy. Individuals who confirm the tap won't specify where or when it occurred. It isn't known whether the cable's operator detected the intrusion, though former NSA officials say they believe it went unnoticed. Nor is it known whether the NSA has attempted other taps since. Efforts to intercept all sorts of signals--ranging from military radar to international phone calls--are among the most highly classified U.S. government operations. Leaking information about interception methods is a federal crime punishable by imprisonment.

Too much to handle
In an interview, Air Force Lt. Gen. Michael Hayden, the NSA's director, laughed when asked whether the NSA had tapped undersea cables. "I'm not going to sit here and dissuade you from your views," he said. But he suggested that access isn't the problem. Rather, he said, the sheer volume and variety of today's communications means "there's simply too much out there, and it's too hard to understand."

Veterans of the undersea fiber-optic cable business say an undersea tap would strain the limits of technology, and cable operators aren't happy that the NSA may have pulled one off. "We don't believe this is possible, but assuming it was, there's no way we want someone trying to get into our cables," says Frank Denniston, chief technical officer for London-based Flag Telecom Holdings Ltd., one of the half-dozen or so companies that dominate the industry.

"It's our job to keep the data on our cables as safe and secure as possible," Denniston adds. "Any tap would automatically create a weakness and could bring down the entire system."

Undersea taps would pose tricky legal issues for the agency, too. For example, U.S. law forbids the NSA to intentionally intercept and process the phone calls and e-mails of U.S. citizens without court approval. Such communications make up a sizable slice of undersea cable traffic.

Some outside analysts and U.S. intelligence officials think the NSA should abandon such efforts in favor of more narrowly targeted intelligence-gathering efforts. One intelligence official estimates that tapping all the world's undersea cables, assuming it could be done, would cost more than $2 billion a year. And no one knows whether the NSA will ever have enough computing power to analyze the resulting gusher of digital data.

Even so, the agency has been pushing ahead. At General Dynamics' Electric Boat shipyard in Groton, Conn., the Navy is deep into a five-year, $1 billion retrofit of the USS Jimmy Carter, a nuclear-powered vessel that intelligence experts say will be the premier U.S. spy sub when it hits the seas in 2004. Among its many planned features, says one former official familiar with the project: state-of-the-art technology for undersea fiber-optic taps.

The NSA's Lt. Gen. Hayden and Navy officials decline to comment on the USS Jimmy Carter's mission.

New Jersey to Britain
In the late 1980s, satellites and microwave towers still carried more than 90 percent of all international voice-and-data traffic, including diplomatic cables. Most were easy pickings for the NSA's spy satellites and earthbound listening stations scattered from Japan and Australia to the moors of England. Back then, the agency also found it relatively easy to tap the kind of low-capacity copper lines that carried phone calls across oceans.

All that began to change in 1988, when AT&T Corp. completed the world's first transoceanic fiber-optic cable. Called TAT-8, the cable snaked more than 3,000 miles along the Atlantic floor from New Jersey to Britain. Its two fibers, running through a cable as narrow as a man's wrist, could carry nearly 40,000 phone conversations at once, five times the capacity of the best undersea copper cables and comparable to all the trans-Atlantic voice traffic then handled by satellites.

The first trans-Pacific fiber-optic cable entered service in 1991. A 17,000-mile-long Flag Telecom cable connecting Europe with North Africa, the Middle East, Southeast Asia and Japan came on line in 1997. And Russia and China began laying thousands of miles of fiber, depriving the NSA of entire time zones of once easily accessible transmissions.

The NSA recognized from the start that fiber optics could be a problem. In early 1989, the agency assembled a team of researchers in a small warren of labs at its headquarters in Fort Meade, Md. Other researchers fanned out to corporate research centers to bone up on the new technology. Their mission, according to one former NSA researcher who worked on it, was to find a way to get inside fiber-optic cables and secretly siphon off the data moving through them.

Fiber optics had been touted as the first mode of long-distance communication impervious to eavesdropping. The technology allows thousands of phone calls, faxes, e-mail messages and encrypted data files, translated into beams of light, to travel through a single strand of glass as thin as a human hair. Most undersea cables now typically contain eight such strands, or fibers. Extracting the data inside requires gaining access to those light beams--in the dark, high-pressure realm of the ocean's depths.

At the bottom of the sea
Undersea fiber-optic cables are sheathed in a thick steel husk and buried in a yard-deep trench. But once the water depth exceeds 1,000 feet, they usually are left to run uncovered along the ocean floor. Industry experts believe the NSA tap must have occurred in deep waters far out at sea, where the cable would be exposed and the risks of being seen would be lower. Some cable operators make frequent surveillance flights hundreds of miles from shore, mainly to keep track of fishing boats whose nets or anchors might rip their cables.

Former intelligence officials say the agency made its tap with the help of a customized sub. "It's a submarine capable of bringing a length of cable inside a special chamber, where the men then do the work," while the sub hugs the ocean floor, says one former official. The surface ships used by undersea-cable companies to install and repair cables have similar chambers--called jointing rooms--where crews work on the delicate fibers. When repairing a broken cable, cable companies generally lift one end of the rupture to the surface and into the jointing room, splice in a new length of cable, then lift the other end of the rupture and repeat the process.

In 1997, the NSA and the Navy proposed equipping the USS Jimmy Carter with such a chamber, as part of a "special operations" upgrade to the $2.4 billion sub.

Worth the gains?
Some members of Congress doubted that the cost of the upgrade would be worth the intelligence gains. And, in closed meetings with lawmakers on Capitol Hill, several top intelligence officials in the Clinton administration fought to kill the project. They lost the battle in late 1998, when Congress agreed to enlarge the sub to accommodate what the Navy called "advanced technology for naval special warfare and tactical surveillance." Plans called for the upgrade to include facilities that would enable the NSA to tap undersea cables, people familiar with it say. The Navy declines to discuss details of the retrofit, which is now under way. The vessel's intended mission could have been modified.

Norman Polmar, a naval and intelligence expert, says any undersea tapping probably would be done in a custom-designed chamber that detaches from the sub. "The Navy would not be keen on bringing a high-voltage cable into a submarine," says Polmar, a part-time consultant to Congress and the Pentagon who has followed the submarine project closely. Moreover, he says, "Having a cable running through a sub for a day or more would tie the sub down in a way that could endanger lives."

He says the USS Jimmy Carter is meant to have "lock-out capability" to allow divers to leave and enter the sub. Plans also call for special thrusters that will allow the vessel to hover near the ocean floor for long periods, a technology that would enable it to supply oxygen and power to an undersea chamber.

The USS Jimmy Carter is expected to replace the USS Parche, a Cold War-era sub used extensively to spy on the Soviets. The Parche, set for retirement in 2003, tapped a number of undersea Soviet copper cables during the 1970s and 1980s, according to the 1998 book "Blind Man's Bluff," a history of submarine-based spying written by Sherry Sontag and Christopher Drew. The NSA declines to comment.

The Parche is equipped with a claw-like device to pluck fairly large objects off the ocean floor. The sub used in the NSA tap probably was fitted with a similar system used to lift the cable into the jointing room, which would then have been emptied of water, experts say.

"This wouldn't be any ordinary submarine," says Marc Dodeman, an engineer with Margus Co., of Edison, N.J., a pioneer in undersea-cable installation and repair. "It would have to have some way to take in a cable, while sitting on the ocean floor, without leaking water. That would require some intense engineering."

Technicians fixing a damaged cable usually make such repairs above water and under antiseptic conditions. Dust or seawater in the submerged chamber could ruin an exposed fiber. Making a surreptitious tap of a live cable would also require circumventing the electrical charge--usually around 10,000 volts--which is used to power the devices that keep the speeding light beams strong.

"Exposing that electricity to the water, or severing it at all, would shut down the entire system," says Peter Runge, chief of research and development for TyCom Ltd., Morristown, N.J., one of the world's largest submarine cable companies and a majority-owned unit of Tyco International Ltd. The shutdown would defeat the tap and alert the cable operator that something was amiss, adds Runge, making the odds of success extremely small. TyCom and its rivals say that any interruptions or outages they have experienced were caused by fishermen's nets, anchors--or, in earlier days, shark bites--but none of the circumstances suggested tampering.

There are basically two ways to extract light, and thus data, from a fiber: by bending the fiber so that some light radiates through the fiber's thin polymer cladding, and by splicing the fiber, Runge says. Bending fiber is an imprecise science. The NSA tap probably required splicing a second fiber to each of the fibers, splitting the data into two identical streams.

But that would pose yet another problem. "Splice the line, and you cut off the light, at least momentarily," says Wayne Siddall, an optical engineer at Corning Fiber in Corning, N.Y. Even a second's interruption could be noticed by a cable's operator. Cable companies typically build systems with duplicate lines that take diverging routes, in case one of them is damaged or severed.

One retired NSA optical specialist insists that the NSA devised a way to splice a fiber without being detected. "Getting into fiber is delicate work, but by no means impossible," the former specialist says. Neither he nor the NSA will discuss the matter further.

After the tap had been completed, the hard work of interpreting the data began--and it proved difficult for the NSA, say those familiar with the project. "What we got was a blast of digital bits, like a fire hydrant spraying you in the face," says one former NSA technician with knowledge of the project. "It was the classic needle-in-the-haystack pursuit, except here the haystack starts out huge and grows by the second," the former technician says. NSA's computers simply weren't equipped to sort through so much data flying at them so fast.

That's not likely to change soon. The NSA long boasted some of the most powerful computers on earth. But the agency's technological edge dulled as the equipment aged and money grew tight. The NSA's budget is classified, but individuals familiar with it say it is about two-thirds what it was a decade ago, even before accounting for inflation.

At the same time, new undersea cables are carrying more and more information. A cable TyCom is laying across the Pacific will have the capacity to carry the equivalent of 100 million phone calls at a time.

Flag Telecom expects to throw the switch on a new trans-Atlantic cable this summer whose eight fibers will have the capacity to move more information than all the cables now crossing the Atlantic. Some computer experts say that the power to digest what will stream through the Flag cable could require a doubling of the NSA's computing power--and huge costs. The NSA's tapping project, from research to tap, cost hundreds of millions of dollars, individuals familiar with it say.

Yet the NSA's Lt. Gen. Hayden says he isn't discouraged. At the moment, he likes to say, technology is the NSA's enemy. But computing power will allow it to process greater masses of data, which he says he hopes will eventually "allow a single analyst to extract wisdom from vast volumes of raw information."
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  maandag 4 februari 2008 @ 03:29:18 #43
89730 Drugshond
De Euro. Mislukt vanaf dag 1.
pi_56518762
USS Jimmy Carter
quote:
Carter is roughly 100 feet (30 m) longer than the other two ships of her class. This is due to the insertion of a section known as the Multi-Mission Platform (MMP), which allows launch and recovery of ROVs and Navy SEAL forces. The plug features a fairing over a wasp-waist shaped passageway allowing crew to pass between the fore and aft sections of the hull while providing a space to store ROVs and special equipment that may need to launch and recover from the submarine. The MMP may also be used as an underwater splicing chamber for tapping of undersea fiber optic cables. This role was formerly filled by the decommissioned USS Parche (SSN-683).
  maandag 4 februari 2008 @ 04:11:00 #44
89730 Drugshond
De Euro. Mislukt vanaf dag 1.
pi_56519039
quote:
Israel gearing up for Another War
www.globalresearch.ca

Global Research, February 3, 2008
Press TV (Iran) - 2008-02-02

Israel calls for shelter rooms to be set up in a bid to prepare the public for yet another war, this time, one of raining missiles.

"The next war will see a massive use of ballistic weapons against the whole of Israeli territory," claimed retired general Udi Shani.

Shani did not specify whether by 'the next war' he meant a battle against the residents of the Gaza Strip, the Lebanese or the war many speculate Israel will wage on Iran allegedly over its nuclear program, which the recent US National Intelligence Estimate conceded to be void of nuclear arms development intentions.

Speaking on the radio as part of a military propaganda offensive, Colonel Yehiel Kuperstein said the safety of civilians must be assured and put forth a plan to equip apartments with a reinforced room serving as a shelter.

"Today in Israel only one third of apartments have such a room able to provide shelter. They have neither an air filter nor ventilation system enabling anyone to stay there for a long time," said Kuperstein.

Israeli officials, who have been preparing the public for a major war, have started the distribution of brochures in six languages instructing people on how to react during a future war, particularly in the event of missile attacks.
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quote:
Op maandag 4 februari 2008 03:29 schreef Drugshond het volgende:
USS Jimmy Carter
[ afbeelding ]
[..]
Israel heeft ook onderzeeers. Naast de oudere Gal-class submarines hebben ze sinds een paar jaar ook Duitse Dolphin-class submarines.

"The Dolphin-class vessels are among the most technically advanced of their kind in the world."

Het gaat ongeveer twee weken duren voor het hersteld is, dus als deze doorgeknipte kabels ergens een voorbode van zijn weten we het snel genoeg.

Israelis told to prepare 'rocket rooms' for war
  maandag 4 februari 2008 @ 05:08:57 #46
89730 Drugshond
De Euro. Mislukt vanaf dag 1.
pi_56519338
quote:
UNEMPLOYMENT: US employers cut jobs as economic clouds darken
dailytimes

WASHINGTON: The US economy suffered 17,000 job losses in January, marking the first monthly losses since 2003, according to a government Friday, which highlighted fears, that America are sliding into recession.
Why we Fight
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Why We Fight describes the rise and maintenance of the United States military-industrial complex and its involvement in the wars led by the United States during the last fifty years, and in particular in the 2003 Invasion of Iraq. The film alleges that in every decade since World War II, the American public has been told a lie to bring it into war to fuel the military-economic machine, which in turn maintains American dominance in the world. It includes interviews with John McCain, Chalmers Johnson, Richard Perle, William Kristol, Gore Vidal and Joseph Cirincione. The film also incorporates the stories of a Vietnam War veteran whose son died in the September 11, 2001 attacks and then had his son's name written on a bomb dropped on Iraq; a 23-year old New York man who enlists in the United States Army citing his financial troubles after his only family member died; and a former Vietnamese refugee who now develops explosives for the American military.
Just nu de krediet/recessie duidelijk voelbaar is , gaan ze nog meer herrie trappen in de wereld. Om toch de oorlogseconomie aan de gang te houden. Geen hond die er nog in geloofd dat de oorlog tegen het terrorisme het gewenste effect zal opleveren... Maar je moet toch wat als je als natie met de rug tegen de muur staat en de toekomst voorspellingen heel erg somber zijn.
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We must guard against the aquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes.
Eisenhower1961.
pi_56522796
Internet problems continue with fourth cable break, vier kabels in één week tijd.

Ik dacht dat dit aardverschuivingen betrof, maar het lijkt er nu op dat dit sabotage is.
In2008youwillbeawakened!In2009youwillbetransformed!In2010youwilltranscend.In2011youwillbeenlightened!In2012itwillbeover!
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Op zaterdag 2 februari 2008 21:32 schreef gronk het volgende:
Je hoeft ook niet met een amerikaans bootje te gaan vingeren; het enige wat je hoeft te doen is een paar lokale vissers een maandloon te geven als ze hun anker willen uitgooien op 'die-en-die-plek'.
mah idd opvallend dat het er 3 in een week zijn anderzijds leid de economie alleen maar niet de informatie voorziening want zoals ik het nu lees wordt het gerouteerd door sattelieten
1/10 Van de rappers dankt zijn bestaan in Amerika aan de Nederlanders die zijn voorouders met een cruiseschip uit hun hongerige landen ophaalde om te werken op prachtige plantages.
"Oorlog is de overtreffende trap van concurrentie."
pi_56524749
quote:
Op zondag 3 februari 2008 18:44 schreef remlof het volgende:
"The only 2 countries that were unaffected were Israel and Iraq, the only two close Anglo-American allies in the region, both remaining completely unaffected by the cable cuts"

Goh wat toevallig - bron
mwah misschien hebben die land lijnen via turkije zou me niets verbazen eigenlijk
1/10 Van de rappers dankt zijn bestaan in Amerika aan de Nederlanders die zijn voorouders met een cruiseschip uit hun hongerige landen ophaalde om te werken op prachtige plantages.
"Oorlog is de overtreffende trap van concurrentie."
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