[Centraal] Vragen over de Islam #6

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Op woensdag 20 februari 2008 08:57 schreef Burakius het volgende:

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Oeii.... je zei stricter... daar heb je bij mij een dood broertje aan. Tjek it.. je volgt die regels of niet. En zoals ik al zei is het volgens mij (en dus vele andere Turken) zoals ik eerder heb beschreven. Zo had Bediüzzaman geen baard. En zo heeft Hoca Efendi (Fethullah Güllen) geen baard. Zulke grote mensen hebben vast wel goede redenen om die niet te dragen (het niet daar latend dat je het zelf ook moet onderzoeken hé). Maar goed me stageplek wil weer dat ik werk

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Op woensdag 20 februari 2008 15:00 schreef Burakius het volgende:

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Dan hoeft het nog geen fard te zijn. Als de profeet (vzmh) dat ten alle tijden heb gedragen dan is het soennah. Op het moment dat hij zegt dat het MOET of dat het in de Qur'an staat als bevel dan is het fard. Ik wil nou wel eens een hadith zien waar in ik kan lezen dat het fard is.

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"O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you." (Quran 4:59)

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"What Allah has bestowed on His Messenger (and taken away) from the people of the townships,- belongs to Allah,- to His Messenger and to kindred and orphans, the needy and the wayfarer; in order that it may not (merely) make a circuit between the wealthy among you. So take what the Messenger gives you, and refrain from what he prohibits you. And fear Allah: for Allah is strict in Punishment." (Quran 59:7)

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(1) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said "I have no connection with one who shaves, shouts and tears his clothing eg. in grief or affication."
- Reported by Abu Darda (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 501

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"Wat betreft mijn Heer (Allah), verheven en gezegend is Hij, Hij heeft mij bevolen om mijn baard (met rust) te laten en mijn snor bij te knippen."

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(2) The teachings of Hadhrat Ammar Bin Yaasir, Abdullah Ibn Umar, Sayyidina Umar, Abu Hurairah and Jaabir (R.A.), indicate that ALL used to keep beards that were one fist length or more. Hadhrat Jaabir (R.A.) had said: "We used to grow long beards and only during Hajj and Umrah did we trim them to the required length (i.e. fist length)."

(3) Hadhrat Abdullah Ibn Umar (R.A.) relates that: "He who imitates the kuffar (non-believers) and dies in that state, he will be raised up with them on the Day of Qiyamat (Judgement)."

(4) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) says: "Trim closely the moustache, and let the beard flow (Grow)."
- Narrated Ibn Umar (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 498

(5) "Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) ordered us to trim the moustache closely and spare the beard" says Ibn Umar.
- Muslim, Hadith no. 449

(6) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam)said: "Act against contrary to the polythesists, trim closely the moustache and grow the beard."
- Reported by Ibn Umar (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 500

(7) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said "Trim closely the moustache and grow the beard."
- Reported by Abu Hurairah (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 501

( 8 )Â Â Allah's Apostle said, "Cut the moustaches short and leave the beard (as it is)."
-Narrated Ibn 'Umar R.A:Sahih Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 72, Number 781.

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Narrated Nafi' (Radhiallaahu Án) "Ibn Umar (Radhiallaahu Án) said, The Prophet said, "Do the opposite of what the pagans do. Keep the beards and cut the moustaches short." [Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 72, Hadith # 780]

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Imam Muharnmed (Rahimahullah) writes in his book "Kitabul Aathaar" where he relates from Imam Abu Hanifah (Rahimahullah) who relates from Hazart Haytham (Rahimahullah) who relates from Ibn Umar (Radhiallaahu Án) that he (Ibn Umar) used to hold his beard in his hand and cut off which was longer. Imam Muhammed (Rahimahullah) says that this is what we follow and this was the decision of Imam Abu Hanifah (Rahimahullah). (From one of the most authentic books of Hanafi Fiqh "Kitabul Aathaar" with direct quotes from Imaam Abu Hanifah)

Imaam Ibn Abidayn (Rahimahullah) said: "It is prohibited for a man to cut his beard." [Recorded in Radd-ul-Muhtar Vol. #2 Page #418]

In the book Durre Mukhtar it is stated "To trim the beard when it is less than a fist⤙s length, as done by some western people and hermaphrodites is not permissible in the opinion of all the jurists. To shave the beard as done by the Jews, Hindus and others is also not permissible."

The well known hanafi scholar Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi (Rahimahullah) writes, "It is an unanimous verdict for the Ummah that to shorten the beard less than a grip of the hand is (Haraam) forbidden!".

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Al-Adwi said "It has been reported from Imaam Malik that he hated shaving anything under the jaws, until he said, 'It is from the doings of the fire worshipers (Magians). And it is prohibted (Haraam) to remove the hair of the beard." [Sharh-ur-Risalah with commentary by Al-Adwi]

Shaikh Ahmad Nafarawi Maliki in the commentary of Imam Abu Zayed's booklet states, "to shave the beard is without doubt haraam according to all Imaams", it is also mentioned in 'Tamheed' which is a commentary of "Muwatta" Sunnan Imam Malik (Rahimahullah) that to shave the beard is haraam and among males the only ones to resort to this (practice) are the HERMAPHRODITES! [From the book "At-Tamheed"]

It is also recorded Kitab-ul- Ib⤙dah [Book containing maliki Fiqh] To shave the beard is haraam and to trim it in such a manner that it changes one⤙s natural and normal facial features (Less than a fist) is also haraam. And that without doubt the four Madhhabs are agreed that the beard should be lengthened and that shaving it is haraam. [From the book "Kitab-ul-Ib⤙dah"]

Abu Al-Hasan quotes "Shaving the beard is prohibited, as is cutting it if it causes a (clear) mutilation. But if it becomes oversized, and if cutting it would not appear as a mutilation, then it may be cut; but that would be disliked and contary to that which is better." [Sharh-ur-Risalah]

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Imam Shafi (Rahimahullah) in his Al-Umm states, "To shave the beard is HARAAM". [Al-Umm]

Imaam Ibn Ar⤙rifaah (Rahimahullah) quoting from Imaam Shafi (Rahimahullah)
It is quoted in Al Ibaab⤙, that Imaam Ibn Ar⤙rifaah says that Imaam Shafi, has categorically stated that shaving the beard is haram. (From the book "Al Ibaab")

Al-Athru'i (Rahimahullah)says that the correct position in the Shafi'ee maddhab is that to shave the beard without a valid medical reason is haraam. Similar verdict of prohibition has been issued by Zarakhshi, Baihaqi in his book, Shu⤙ab Al Iman, and by his teacher Qa⤙ffal Shashi in Muhasin As Shar⤙iyyah. [From the book "Shu⤙ab Al Iman"]

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Imaam Ahmad Bin Hanbal (Rahimahullah) and the Hannaballah

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It is mentioned in Al-Insaf, Sharh-ul-Muntaha "The Hanbalis agree with exception that it is prohibited to shave the beard."

Shaikh-ul-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah (Rahimahullah) states the opinion of his maddhab (Hanbali Maddhab) in Al-Ikhtiyarat-ul-Ilmiyyah "It is prohibited to shave the beard."

Shaikh As-Saffarini (Rahimahullah) Said "It is agreed in our Maddhab (Hanbali Maddhab) that it is prohibited (Haraam) to shave the beard." [Ghitha-ul-Albab Vol.# 1, page # 376]

The Hannaballah in their famous Al-Khan Wa Hanbli Fatawa state that "to grow the beard is essential and to shave it is HARAAM. This is also stated in other famous books of Hanbali fiqh like Sharahul Muntaha' and "Shari Manzoomatul Aadaab."

Shaikh Ibn AbdurRahman Al Banna stated "Shaving the beard is strictly haraam. This is in the Hanabli Madhab." [From his book "Fathur Rabbani"]

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Shaikhul-Islam Ibn Taimiyah (Rahimahullah) Stated that: "Shaving the beard is HARAAM". [Al-Ikhtiyarat Al-Ilmiyyah, page 6].

Shaikh-ul-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (Rahimahullah) said: ⤽The Quran, Sunnah and ijmaa⤙ (scholarly consensus) all indicate that we must differ from the kuffaar in all aspects and not imitate them, because imitating them on the outside will make us imitate them in their bad deeds and habits, and even in beliefs, which will result in befriending them in our hearts, just as loving them in our hearts will lead to imitating them on the outside. Al-Tirmidhi reported that Rasulullah said, ⤽He is not one of us who imitates people other than us. Do not imitate the Jews and Christians." According to another version reported by Imaam Ahmad Bin Hanbal: ⤽Whoever imitates a people is one of them."

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Ibn Hazm (Rahimahullah)
Said "All the scholars of Islam have agreed (Ijmaa)that shaving of the beard is a form of mutilation, which is forbidden. As Allah says in the Quran " No change let there be in Khalq­illah (creation of Allah), that is the straight religion, but most of men know not." [Surah #30;Ayah #30]

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Shaikh Albaani (Rahimahullah) stated: It is not permissible for the Muslim to remove any hair from the beard except what the Lawgiver has allowed. It is reported from one of the companions who narrated the hadith, "Leave the beard and trim the moustaches," 'Abdullah bin 'Umar, that he used to remove from his beard what was below a fistful. Apart from that, trimming the beard is against the Sunnah, whether or not the man's beard is pleasing to him, and whether or not it is pleasing to others, for all of Allah's creation is handsome, as in the Sahih hadith, where the Prophet saw a man with a long waist-shirt and ordered him to have his izaar halfway up his shins; the man gave the excuse that he had a defect in his ankles, so the Prophet said, "All of Allah's creation is handsome." (Sahih from Imaam Ahmad and others. This phrase is actually of Quran origin see surah Sajdah # 32 verse #7). According to His Wisdom, Allah has differentiated between men and women, created man with a beard and created women without a beard; He did not do this without reason.

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Op woensdag 20 februari 2008 15:48 schreef Burakius het volgende:
Je beseft dat dat allemaal op toepassing is op een baard. Nu de definitie van een baard. Een vuistdike volgens abu Hanifa. Dan pas zijn de regels van toepassing.

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Verder het dikgedrukte stuk: Hij heeft mij bevolen om mijn baard (met rust) te laten is puur op toepassing op de profeet.

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"Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) ordered us to trim the moustache closely and spare the beard" says Ibn Umar.
- Muslim, Hadith no. 449

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Allah's Apostle said, "Cut the moustaches short and leave the beard (as it is)."
-Narrated Ibn 'Umar R.A:Sahih Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 72, Number 781

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Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam)said: "Act against contrary to the polythesists, trim closely the moustache and grow the beard."
- Reported by Ibn Umar (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 500

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Nou moet ik nog even lezen over de brei die je post, maar kan je alvast ook de url erbij editten van de site waarvan je het vandaan hebt.

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Op woensdag 20 februari 2008 16:11 schreef Burakius het volgende:
Ik kan me toch niet voorstellen dat de vork zo in de steel zit. Dan zouden echt heeeeel veeeeel moslims een baard moeten laten nu. Of zie ik dat nou verkeerd? Maar ik zal het sowieso opzoeken want een a'lim zoals Bediüzamman heeft daar wel een antwoord op.

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Op woensdag 20 februari 2008 16:34 schreef TheMagnificent het volgende:
Agie Triggershot, waar blijft de Hadith die je mij belooft hebt?

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Op woensdag 20 februari 2008 16:44 schreef Burakius het volgende:

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Allah Alem sowieso, maar ik moet zelf zeker ff de boeken induiken (vanavond wellicht). Eventjes mijn risale doorspitten en tefsirtjes erbij pakken. Dit baard gedoe is iets wat me al lang dwars zit (de onduidelijkheid).

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Op woensdag 20 februari 2008 17:07 schreef TheMagnificent het volgende:

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Het zijn dus zwakke Ahadith?

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Op woensdag 20 februari 2008 22:13 schreef kazakx het volgende:
Jongens zijn jullie niet bang dat als je weet hoe het ermee staat met die baard dat je dan ook meteen verantwoordelijk bent voor het niet dragen van een baard
Of mag ik zo niet redeneren

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Op woensdag 20 februari 2008 22:31 schreef kazakx het volgende:

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Ik heb een 3 musketiers snor en sikje geld dat ook