Natalee Holloway (in the rebound)

I didn't understand your posts either.. at least, I'm not sure weither I did or not

Like Qwea asked: how do you come up with these 'facts' that are known to you but not to the media?

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:29 schreef kinkajoe het volgende:
Observer777,

Of couse we'll understand, but sometimes it is complicated to read the translations, especially if you do not know too much about this case. Have you heard about the black eye that Joran seems to have had the day after Nathalee's disappearance?

By the way: have you seen the interview with Joran, his parents and PeterR in the show of "Pauw and Witteman" ( links are on this site) and the interaction between Joran and his father?

Aah, note ; and there was a man with scratches on his arm. He went from aruba to the netherlands. What about him?

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:28 schreef Qwea het volgende:

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Aaah, goddamn. A translator. I didn't get shit from your posts.

My bad.

But how do you know this is real? Did you investigate it yourself? Or am I missing something here?

Sorry all,I should have written in english..I have many dutch friends and some write better than I do All of this I investigated myself and it is 100% real. I moderate at a board called scaredmonkeys.net and have followed this case since the very beginning. All of this info was brought together by a bunch of us and I promise you it is all fact unless stated otherwise. I just wanted to make sure all of you knew what was going on and theres a ton more. Especially the Fathers contacts,the blood that turned out to be chocoalte,the confession and leading them to the body..etc etc etc. Our news coverage stinks here in the U.S and to get real facts on this case you have to look to the blogs,well the correct blogs. I see you guys have a great blog here also.

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:34 schreef Goofup het volgende:
I didn't understand your posts either.. at least, I'm not sure weither I did or not

Like Qwea asked: how do you come up with these 'facts' that are known to you but not to the media?

The media is horrible here and the Arubans have spent millions attacking Natalee's family and has extremely expensive attorneys. We have known these facts fopr a long long time and tons more also!!!!!!!! You would be blown away!!!!

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:39 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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Sorry all,I should have written in english..I have many dutch friends and some write better than I do All of this I investigated myself and it is 100% real. I moderate at a board called scaredmonkeys.net and have followed this case since the very beginning. All of this info was brought together by a bunch of us and I promise you it is all fact unless stated otherwise. I just wanted to make sure all of you knew what was going on and theres a ton more. Especially the Fathers contacts,the blood that turned out to be chocoalte,the confession and leading them to the body..etc etc etc. Our news coverage stinks here in the U.S and to get real facts on this case you have to look to the blogs,well the correct blogs. I see you guys have a great blog here also.

Don't get me wrong, but scaredmonkeys isn't the most reliable board/source if you ask me.

About the blood ; You mean the blood that was on the t-shirt from Geoffrey van C?

All these facts that you name, are totally new too me. I never heard from it.

http://www.ad.nl/holloway/article2024753.ece

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:38 schreef Qwea het volgende:

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Aah, note ; and there was a man with scratches on his arm. He went from aruba to the netherlands. What about him?

Guido Wever? He was reported to have scratches on his face!! Witnessed by 5 people at the Excelsior casino where he worked as a intern and also witnessed at his school. He fled Aruba shortly after NH dissapeared,left his brand new white nissan,missed graduation and left his job early.

There are also two witnesses,a teacher and a boy at the school that said Joran had a large bruise on his face the next day as well. When they asked Joran about it,he said he got in a fight 2 days earlier at carlos and charlies.

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:42 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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The media is horrible here and the Arubans have spent millions attacking Natalee's family and has extremely expensive attorneys. We have known these facts fopr a long long time and tons more also!!!!!!!! You would be blown away!!!!

I agree with QWEA, this sounds like a terrible conspiracy theory.
Can you really prove all the facts you told us?

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:45 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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Guido Wever? He was reported to have scratches on his face!! Witnessed by 5 people at the Excelsior casino where he worked as a intern and also witnessed at his school. He fled Aruba shortly after NH dissapeared,left his brand new white nissan,missed graduation and left his job early.

There are also two witnesses,a teacher and a boy at the school that said Joran had a large bruise on his face the next day as well. When they asked Joran about it,he said he got in a fight 2 days earlier at carlos and charlies.

About Jorans black eye I know. However I suspect it wasn't from a barfight

Where does Guido wever live now?

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:44 schreef Qwea het volgende:

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Don't get me wrong, but scaredmonkeys isn't the most reliable board/source if you ask me.

About the blood ; You mean the blood that was on the t-shirt from Geoffrey van C?

All these facts that you name, are totally new too me. I never heard from it.

No, I am talking about the blood in deepaks car that was announced by Prime Minister Oduber,Dept of Justice Rudy Croes,FBI and several police. It was in the headliner of the car,backseat and trunk. A few days later they said it was chocolate and not blood. Then you also have the bloody mattress that within 3 hours they said it was dogs blood,by the way it is fact that Joran killed his own dog and blamed it on someone else..Guess what they found by the bloody mattress? And yes you have the VCB shirt that was suppposed to have DNA evidence on it. I can back everything up with news stories,quotes and interviews and newspaper articles.

I can prove everything I speak of,trust me please! If you want the truth you most definetly need to go back to June and July 2005 because everything since then has been dis information.

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:48 schreef abcd-tje het volgende:

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I agree with QWEA, this sounds like a terrible conspiracy theory.
Can you really prove all the facts you told us?

Don't forget but this threat was originally started in brave new world....

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:51 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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No, I am talking about the blood in deepaks car that was announced by Prime Minister Oduber,Dept of Justice Rudy Croes,FBI and several police. It was in the headliner of the car,backseat and trunk. A few days later they said it was chocolate and not blood. Then you also have the bloody mattress that within 3 hours they said it was dogs blood,by the way it is fact that Joran killed his own dog and blamed it on someone else..Guess what they found by the bloody mattress? And yes you have the VCB shirt that was suppposed to have DNA evidence on it. I can back everything up with news stories,quotes and interviews and newspaper articles.

I can prove everything I speak of,trust me please! If you want the truth you most definetly need to go back to June and July 2005 because everything since then has been dis information.

Do you have a reliable source? And then I'm not talking about scaredmonkeys or something. But something from the district attorney, Media on Aruba, Media in Holland,The prosecutor from Aruba, ect.

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:50 schreef Qwea het volgende:

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About Jorans black eye I know. However I suspect it wasn't from a barfight

Where does Guido wever live now?

Utrecht
http://wever2.hyves.nl/photos/19453304/0/8kQV/



Yes,I can back up everything I tell you..What did you think of Paul Van Der Sloots two contacts with Natalee and picking her and Joran up at 4am? That is what he told people and was caught on wire taps..It was clearly undertood by the superior court in Aruba. He was telling people that for weeks before he changed his story when he was arrested.

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:51 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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No, I am talking about the blood in deepaks car that was announced by Prime Minister Oduber,Dept of Justice Rudy Croes,FBI and several police. It was in the headliner of the car,backseat and trunk. A few days later they said it was chocolate and not blood. Then you also have the bloody mattress that within 3 hours they said it was dogs blood,by the way it is fact that Joran killed his own dog and blamed it on someone else..Guess what they found by the bloody mattress? And yes you have the VCB shirt that was suppposed to have DNA evidence on it. I can back everything up with news stories,quotes and interviews and newspaper articles.

I can prove everything I speak of,trust me please! If you want the truth you most definetly need to go back to June and July 2005 because everything since then has been dis information.

Why is that blood never researched?
I mean, police wants to know everything when someone is missing?

Could this be a terrible mistake of the police and OM Aruba?
Could it be that important prove could meby destroyed in 2005 by Aruba thereself?

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:58 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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Utrecht
http://wever2.hyves.nl/photos/19453304/0/8kQV/
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Yes,I can back up everything I tell you..What did you think of Paul Van Der Sloots two contacts with Natalee and picking her and Joran up at 4am? That is what he told people and was caught on wire taps..It was clearly undertood by the superior court in Aruba. He was telling people that for weeks before he changed his story when he was arrested.

Woonplaats: Den Haag

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:56 schreef Qwea het volgende:

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Do you have a reliable source? And then I'm not talking about scaredmonkeys or something. But something from the district attorney, Media on Aruba, Media in Holland,The prosecutor from Aruba, ect.

Yes of course I do..It was all over the newspapers and spoken on national TV. As a matter of fact Beth Holloway did not know about the blood until the Prime Minister announced it on Aruban TV. It is time consuming getting all the info..But there are tons of sources to back this up,I didn't follow much media in holland in 2005 but there are at least a dozen newspaper articles and TV interviews that talk about the blood in Deepaks vehicle. After they said it was Chocolate it all went away just like his confession on June 10th 2005 that was reported everywhere.

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:02 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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Yes of course I do..It was all over the newspapers and spoken on national TV. As a matter of fact Beth Holloway did not know about the blood until the Prime Minister announced it on Aruban TV. It is time consuming getting all the info..But there are tons of sources to back this up,I didn't follow much media in holland in 2005 but there are at least a dozen newspaper articles and TV interviews that talk about the blood in Deepaks vehicle. After they said it was Chocolate it all went away just like his confession on June 10th 2005 that was reported everywhere.

Damn, I really have missed something I guess

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:06 schreef Qwea het volgende:

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Damn, I really have missed something I guess

Er zal toch nog wel wat van online te vinden zijn ? Ik zou wel graag wat bewijs zien van deze beweringen.
Zoals je als zei : source ?

Indeed a strange story, even stranger that OM Aruba agreed with the fact that they told it
wasnt blood but chocolate, so it has been never researched...

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:58 schreef abcd-tje het volgende:

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Why is that blood never researched?
I mean, police wants to know everything when someone is missing?

Could this be a terrible mistake of the police and OM Aruba?
Could it be that important prove could meby destroyed in 2005 by Aruba thereself?

Theres a lot more than stinks to high heaven besides the blood in deepaks car..I could fill this whole forum up with the most unbelievable acts you have seen. They took the blood samples and it was tested in holland I am quite sure it was sabotaged before it left on the plane. They have witnesses that said they saw Deepak and boys franticly cleaning that car at 3am the night Natalee went missing in the back of the house.

Ok look at this..The boys were not arrested until june 9th,I can prove they framed two innocent black men who were arrested on june 5th. As you know Peter De Vries found out the search of the house was blocked the day of the search on the 16th as the Judge and a high ranking friend of PVDS answered the door. The police were shocked! And they were only allowed to search the cars and Jorans apt. That house was never searched until june 2007!! Just last month that same judge spoke in Aruban papers and said the commissioner dompig obstructed justice and the prosecuters office never asked to search anything more. The prosecuters office and dompig said they were denied..So who is lying here and why? Why wasnt the house searched when PVDS was arrested a week later for suspicion of kidnapping and murder? Since when do Murder,Rape and Kidnapping suspects get immunity from having there houses searched?

Did you know that Jan Van Der Straaten is best friends of Paul Van Der Sloot? Did you know that Dompig is related to the Kalpoes? I could go on and on..Its a cover up!!

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I can prove they framed two innocent black

Show us please. I would like to believe you but I 've seen no prove untill now.

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:12 schreef deedeetee het volgende:

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Er zal toch nog wel wat van online te vinden zijn ? Ik zou wel graag wat bewijs zien van deze beweringen.
Zoals je als zei : source ?

What I could find ;

Vermist meisje op Aruba #4

Search for "bloed"

Dutch Newsper


Look at the dates and what is said here..They say all 3 had sex with Natalee then dropped her off..That was on June 4th 2005!!

Again this was published on June 7th 2005..Just weird is all

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:14 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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Theres a lot more than stinks to high heaven besides the blood in deepaks car..I could fill this whole forum up with the most unbelievable acts you have seen. They took the blood samples and it was tested in holland I am quite sure it was sabotaged before it left on the plane. They have witnesses that said they saw Deepak and boys franticly cleaning that car at 3am the night Natalee went missing in the back of the house.

So you're saying the arubian police/government is involved? And these eyewitnesses, are the heard by the police? Did they took a statement?

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Ok look at this..The boys were not arrested until june 9th,I can prove they framed two innocent black men who were arrested on june 5th. As you know Peter De Vries found out the search of the house was blocked the day of the search on the 16th as the Judge and a high ranking friend of PVDS answered the door. The police were shocked! And they were only allowed to search the cars and Jorans apt. That house was never searched until june 2007!! Just last month that same judge spoke in Aruban papers and said the commissioner dompig obstructed justice and the prosecuters office never asked to search anything more. The prosecuters office and dompig said they were denied..So who is lying here and why? Why wasnt the house searched when PVDS was arrested a week later for suspicion of kidnapping and murder? Since when do Murder,Rape and Kidnapping suspects get immunity from having there houses searched?

Did you know that Jan Van Der Straaten is best friends of Paul Van Der Sloot? Did you know that Dompig is related to the Kalpoes? I could go on and on..Its a cover up!!

That was indeed very strange. And I think that Paul van der Sloot/ Joran is/has been protected by some "higher force".

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:14 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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Theres a lot more than stinks to high heaven besides the blood in deepaks car..I could fill this whole forum up with the most unbelievable acts you have seen. They took the blood samples and it was tested in holland I am quite sure it was sabotaged before it left on the plane. They have witnesses that said they saw Deepak and boys franticly cleaning that car at 3am the night Natalee went missing in the back of the house.

Ok look at this..The boys were not arrested until june 9th,I can prove they framed two innocent black men who were arrested on june 5th. As you know Peter De Vries found out the search of the house was blocked the day of the search on the 16th as the Judge and a high ranking friend of PVDS answered the door. The police were shocked! And they were only allowed to search the cars and Jorans apt. That house was never searched until june 2007!! Just last month that same judge spoke in Aruban papers and said the commissioner dompig obstructed justice and the prosecuters office never asked to search anything more. The prosecuters office and dompig said they were denied..So who is lying here and why? Why wasnt the house searched when PVDS was arrested a week later for suspicion of kidnapping and murder? Since when do Murder,Rape and Kidnapping suspects get immunity from having there houses searched?

Did you know that Jan Van Der Straaten is best friends of Paul Van Der Sloot? Did you know that Dompig is related to the Kalpoes? I could go on and on..Its a cover up!!

Well, that there is a terrible cover up is something i totally agree with you, no doubt about it.
Still i wonder, if your case and facts are true, why is Joran held so long in jail, i mean everyone
else isnt hold that long and btw, Joran is Pauls son.
In that case why did they held Joran that long in jail as a crime suspect?

Do you have any theory about that?