Rasmussen #16: Te vertrouwen op z'n blauwe ogen?

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Op maandag 30 juli 2007 00:09 schreef kraaksandaal het volgende:

Ik denk dat Rasmussen meer te vrezen heeft van de UCI, als die het geval als 3e overtreding zien, hangt 'm 2 jaar schorsing boven het hoofd.
Het ontslag bij Rabo dat wordt wel verleend zowiezo op verstoorde arbeidsrelatie en eventuele gouden handdruk.

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Op zondag 29 juli 2007 22:28 schreef One_of_the_few het volgende:
Miischien heel erg kneuterig. Maar zelfs bij baantjer zag je vroeger dat mensen alleen met hun advocaat erbij wilden praten terwijl ze wel onschuldig waren.

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Op maandag 30 juli 2007 00:05 schreef One_of_the_few het volgende:
Als ik werkgever was had ik op zijn minst 2 mensen bij de bekentenis van rasmussen laten zijn + aanvullend bewijs. Dat had ik direct bekend gemaakt tijdens het bekend maken van het ontslag.

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Op maandag 30 juli 2007 00:49 schreef Tup het volgende:

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Als de UCI dit als derde overtreding ziet, dan kan dat weer dienen als bewijs in het arbeidsrechtelijke proces. Rabo zegt gewoon dat zij de feiten die de UCI gebruikte, ook gebruikte (logisch want interne regels zullen in de lijn van de UCI regels liggen) bij ontslag (IS ER AL BEWIJS DAT HIJ ONTSLAGEN IS?).
Interessant wan als Rasmussen de aanklacht van de UCI wil weerliggen (want daar ligt de bewijslast denk ik anders) dan moet hij bewijs leveren niet in Italië te zijn geweest...

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Zelfs bij Baantjer. Ja en bij law en order en CSI. Dat lijkt me een hele goede bron. Reasonable doubt
Wacht even in law en order heb ik ook gezien dat je een bekentenis later moet ontkennen...
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Dat zou inderdaad slim zijn geweest, maar eerlijk is eerlijk, als iemand tegenover mij iets bekent, dan zou ik ook niet als eerste denken om er anderen bij te halen.

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Op maandag 30 juli 2007 00:54 schreef One_of_the_few het volgende:
Rabo kan niet zeggen dat het het bewijs van de UCI gebruikten, want dat zou betekenen dat ze eerst iemand hebben ontslagen en toen pa het bewijs hebben gezocht. Onterecht ontslagen dus. Als ze het toch zeggen en het is niet zo, dan liegen ze voor de rechtbank. Lijkt me ook niets iets wat goed is voor je imago.
Daarnaast is het maar de vraag of je de info van de uci kan gebruiken in een andere zaak. Zo simpel ligt dat niet.

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Iets wat maangers direct leren en behoren te weten is dat je bij zaken als ontslag of andere conflicten een dossier en bewijs hebt van je waarnemingen. Dat is bijna les 1 van iets managen.

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Op maandag 30 juli 2007 00:59 schreef Tup het volgende:

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Nee, dat zegt het niet. Ik zeg dat als de UCI op basis van dezelfde feiten die bij de Rabo bekend waren tot schorsing over gaat, dit gunstig is voor de Rabo omdat zij dan min of meer gesteund worden door een andere instantie. Of dit genoeg is om ontslagen te worden moet nog blijken. Overigens, en nogmaals, is er bewijs dat Rasmussen ontslagen is, want in diverse pers heb ik gelezen dat hij zegt dit nooit van de Rooij te hebben mogen vernemen.
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Ik ben dan ook geen manager.

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Rasmussen laat zich niet uit Tour verjagen

(Novum) - Michael Rasmussen wil volgend jaar gewoon weer aan de start van de Tour de France verschijnen. "Als de kans zich voordoet zal ik zeker starten", liet de uit de Tour gezette Rabo-renner zondag weten in een interview met de Deense tv-zender TV2. Hij ontkende vanuit zijn woning in Italië nogmaals ooit in zijn carrière doping te hebben gebruikt. "Maar als je in de gele trui rijdt vorm je een gemakkelijk doelwit."

Rasmussen, die woensdagavond na de laatste Pyreneeënrit in de Ronde van Frankrijk door de leiding van Rabobank op staande voet werd ontslagen, voelt zich nog altijd bestolen. "Elke dag zal ik wakker worden met het idee dat ik de Tour niet mocht winnen. Ik zal er nooit overheen komen. Het voelt alsof een Picasso van mij gestolen is. Ik werkte aan het grootste kunstwerk dat ik ooit kon creëren, en het is van mij afgenomen."

De 33-jarige klimmer haalde in het gesprek met de zender uit zijn vaderland uit naar een deel van de sportjournalistiek. Vooral de Franse kranten gingen er door de opmerkelijke prestatie van Rasmussen in de Tour direct van uit dat hij met behulp van verboden middelen rondfietste, meent de Deen. "Misschien verwachten ze wel dat de geletruidrager gedrogeerd is."

Rasmussen werd na afloop van de zestiende etappe op staande voet ontslagen door Rabobank omdat hij zou hebben gelogen over zijn verblijfplaats in de aanloop naar de Tour de France. De tweevoudig bolletjestruiwinaar zegt zich in mei en juni in Mexico te hebben voorbereid, terwijl oud-renner Davide Cassani stellig beweert hem half juni op een trainingsrit in Italië te hebben gezien en gesproken.

Rasmussen noemt zijn ontslag een 'zeer buitensporige reactie' van de Rabo-leiding, maar ging niet verder in op de beschuldigingen over de tegenstrijdige verklaringen over zijn verblijf. "Ik heb op de rustdag op een persconferentie heel duidelijk gemaakt waar ik was."

Bron: Trouw

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Op zondag 29 juli 2007 23:55 schreef petitlapin2 het volgende:

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best wel, als je cliënt zegt dat hij bijvoorbeeld NOOOOOOIT een contract heeft getekend, blabla, en dan komt de tegenpartij daar opeens met het contract aan, terwijl jij je conclusie van 47 blz al hebt geschreven

cliënten die je beliegen

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Op maandag 30 juli 2007 01:18 schreef mindgames het volgende:
Ik beheers de Deense taal niet, maar klopt het dat deze link het TV-interview met Rasmussen, waar in onderstaand bericht over wordt gesproken, betreft?

Na aanleiding van dit bericht:
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Author: Solidsteel10 , Date: 07-29-07 17:35

Hi all

The following is a word-by-word copied interview done Sunday by the biggest national television channel, TV2, in Denmark. The interview lasted 25 minutes. Michael Rasmussen invited TV2 to his private home in Italy and gave his view on the matter. It was aired twice in Denmark today, they even interupted the tranmission frmo the final stage to show the interviews as well as it was aired at 8 pm primetime.

Sorry for the gramma, my english is a bit rusty. And it took a lot of time to translate.

Enjoy the reading

Regards
René
Odense, Denmark.

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TV2: What is your opinion on the whole situation of your exclusion?

MR: It’s a surrealistic situation, don’t you think? I just had the greatest day of my cycling career and won on top of the Col d’ Aubisque in the yellow jersey, and in reality I won Tour de France that day. Only to be kicked out of the hotel hours later.

TV2: How did that happen?

MR: Well, it happened in the way that we had a meeting in the team bus, where I got the message that I was taken out of the race. Afterwards my team mates were called in and got the same message.

TV2: How did you react?

MR: Well, I was in a state of shock and of course I got very angry of the decision that had been made, because I think there was nothing that could justify this decision.

TV2: I imagine you did not get much sleep that night. What thoughts went through your mind that night?

MR: No, well first of all, journalists put aside all respect for invasion of privacy. They called me until 2 AM. On top of that, I had 100.000 thought going through my mind concerning what had happened and what went wrong and what the future would bring. I had just been robbed the Tour de France victory.

TV2: Were you alone that night? And where were you exactly?

MR: Actually I don’t really know were I was. I know that I was driven to a country house about half an hours drive from Po, and then I was picked up the next morning, taken to the airport and on a private chartered plane to Verona.

TV2: That’s the way Rabobank chose to send you out of the race. How do you feel about that?

MR: When it came to it, you must say that at least they had the dignity to take care of me in a way without bigger drama, at least from my side of it. But naturally there were a lot of chaos in the first couple of hours after I left the hotel. But I haven’t had much to do with that.

TV2: Your team mates, did you have any time to speak with them before you left, and how did they react?

MR: Yeah, of course I spoke with them and they where naturally frustrated about the situation, just as I was. They had been riding for so many days and had been working for me, and we had won the yellow jersey. They were devastated. It had huge consequences for them financially that we did not win the Tour de France this year.

TV2: What do you think about the way Rabobank handled this whole matter?

MR: Well, I think it is better if I don’t express myself about this, as the matter will have legal consequences.

TV2: Theo de Rooij says you have admitted to him that you were in Italy during the time you should have been in Mexico. Have you?

MR: As I said, I better not express myself about that as well. It comes under your previous question.

TV2: But can you relate to and do you still claim that you were only in Mexico during the time you had stated?

MR: Again, it comes under the case that will be undergoing.

TV2: You can easily prove it by showing a passport and maybe stamps and plane tickets. Have you considered doing this during the case?

MR: Well, what I am saying is that now we have to se what the case brings and we will take it from there.

TV2: Personally, what do you think of Theo de Rooij and his role in this matter? You have been quite close to him.

MR: There is no doubt that he has been under an enormous pressure, and he has been accused of many things during the Tour, and at some point his facade cracked and he made this decision.

TV2: Have you spoken to him since?

MR: No I haven’t. I think there are very few persons who have done that, and I know, even the team has had difficulties in contacting him the last few days.

TV2: But the team has not only suspended you, actually you have been fired. What do you think about that?

MR: Well, it looks like a bit of a rash action. I read it on teletext and then I contacted the team to get it confirmed and to get an official dismissal notice. Just to be absolutely certain of what had happened and on what basis.

TV2: So did you receive it?

MR: Yes I have.

TV2: But do you think it is an over reaction?

MR: Well, for breaking some internal rules, I think it is a very harsh reaction, especially when thinking about the fine given to me earlier as a consequence of the mistake I maid.

TV2: What are you intending to do as to Rabobank and all the row?

MR: Naturally, I have contacted a lawyer and I am meeting him next week. After that we will contact Rabobank’s lawyers, and then I hope we can solve this matter in peace and toleration.

TV2: So you don’t expect this to end up in the courtroom?

MR: No, I think no one will benefit from that.

TV2: Today the Tour de France ends at Champs-Élyses. What is your comment on that?

MR: I am pretty convinced its not the best rider who won Tour de France this year.

TV2: You have said winning Tour de France is your ultimate dream. Do you feel the victory has been taken from you? That the dream has not come true and has been taken from you?

MR: Yes, definitely. It is no secret. Since the day I was excluded and for the rest of my life, I will wake up in the morning and remember that I didn’t win the Tour the France because I was wrongfully excluded from the race.

TV2: How do you feel about having that thought? Living with it the rest of your life.

MR: I feel truly horrible. I don’t know what to say. Maybe you can compare it to having a Picasso painting stolen. I was on my way to achieve the greatest thing I am capable of, and it was taken from me.

TV2: What have you done to come to terms with all this? It must have been hard for you at the time you were kicked out. Your dream was crushed. What did you do to come to terms with your expressions and all the feelings inside?

MR: Well, I have gone back to Italy to the ones closest to me, the people I know I can trust. Those are the ones I have been in contact with and it is also those who have contacted me.

TV2: Returning to the situation where you were kicked out of the Tour de France. How do you feel about the fact that de race director Prudhomme, announces that this is the best thing that could happen to the Tour de France, only one day after you have been kicked out?

MR: No question I am having a hard time to understand this. I do not know on what basis these statements are on.

TV2: They feel you should never have been allowed to enter the Tour the France, in connection with the row about the warnings from different anti doping instances. But you have not been tested positive in any way, so there is no case. How do you see this situation?

MR: No, it is some hypocrisy. UCI has, various times, stated that there are absolutely no motives for me not entering the Tour de France this year. Therefore, I really cannot see why this is a problem at all.

TV2: And they also say themselves that they have put pressure on Rabobank to have you kicked out. How do you feel about that?

MR: It is highly reprehensible that a race director feels that he has the right to kick riders out of the competition and “choose” the winner himself. Meaning, if he wanted to, he could attack Contador, attack Evans and finally he would attack the red haired, so maybe a Frenchman could be on the podium…

TV2: Do you think it comes down to that?

MR: I am having difficulties understanding what makes him say the things he has said.

TV2: Are you going to watch the final today?

MR: No, I haven’t watched any Tour de France since I was on the podium myself.

TV2: Do you follow the race at all?

MR: Yeah, I know Contador is probably winning, isn’t he?

TV2: How about your team mates, have you spoken to them after you left the Rabobank camp?

MR: Yes, I have been in contact with several of the riders.

TV2: What are they saying to all this?

MR: Well, they hate every day they sit on their bikes right now. Menchov left the race the other day in sympathy. I think that is a huge gesture coming from such a great rider. Boogerd, he left the dinner table crying the other day and he did not feel like riding his bike again.

TV2: So the whole team is taking this hard, not only you?

MR: Yes, of course. And it is not only the riders, it is also the mechanics, soigneurs and so on, they all have the Tour de France as their main goal. And it is indeed a catastrophic decision for all.

TV2: How do you feel of having the chance of winning the Tour de France taken away from you, on pure suspicions?

MR: I am having difficulties in seeing the basis of these suspicions. I have only missed being present at a certain time, and therefore I think it was a very severe decision.

TV2: But there have been doubts about your willingness to be available to the anti-doping-authorities. You are known as a perfectionist, how come you have been careless with your reports?

MR: First of all, I received two warnings from Anti Doping Denmark, who is put into this world to control athletes who are subject to DIF (Danish Athletics Association). And I am a member of Rabobank and have a licence in Monaco, so I have absolutely nothing to do with DIF. So I definitely mean this is unimportant. They should not have a say in this matter. From a legal point of view they have nothing to say.

TV2: But they say you are a part of the Danish National Team, or at least until they kicked you out. So they should have the right to test you?

MR: I haven’t been a part of the Danish National Team since 2004, nearly 3 years ago. A lot of Danish riders should have been on this team then, and ought to be in the “pot”. I have never received any guaranties from anyone about being a part of the national team.

TV2: I have heard that you have signed a document that gives them (DCU, Danish Cycling Union) the right to test you, is that correct?

MR: No, I have absolutely not signed anything from DCU.

TV2: So you don’t understand why they have involves them selves in this?

MR: No, well I might understand why they have involves themselves, but they have not right to interfere.

TV2: How do you feel about DCU, and especially Jesper Worre (director) of DCU, who partly started all this?

MR: I don’t know, its an awkward case. It is remarkable that on 26th of June I receive notice of exclusion from the National Team, afterwards I am asked to attend to a reception at DCU’s 100 year anniversary, they day before the National Championships I Roskilde. Photos are to be taken, hands to be shaken on I don’t know how many people. And the next day, they let me start at the National Championships. 14 days later, while riding the yellow jersey, they feel like announcing that I have received warnings. It is a highly remarkable situation, which easily can be taken personal.

TV2: Do you feel it is something personal, that someone has something against you?

MR: Well, the night before Thursday, it was almost 1 AM, I received a call from Jesper Worre. At that time he claimed that they were definitely not my enemy.

TV2: Do you believe that?

MR: They are definitely not my friends. One can interpret this as one like.
TV2: But I understand you have been tested by DCU, sorry ADD I mean. The day before the National Championships, is this correct?

MR: Yes, but the test was staged by UCI. One the day of the National Championships I was tested by ADD, which was staged by DCU.

TV2: And these UCI warnings, the talk has been concerning two warnings. They exist, right?

MR: Yes they definitely do and I have not tried to deny that. The first warning goes back to March 2006, at that time we were 6 Rabobank riders who forgot to send in our information. And the 5 of us only got at friendly telephone call from UCI, asking them to send in the information as soon as possible. I received a written and registered warning from UCI. A highly remarkable special treatment of a rider.

TV2: So that is the warning you feel you should not have gotten at all, and then there is a correct warning. But still, that is only two warnings and no case was opened against you. How do you feel about that? When it comes down to it, this costs you the victory in Tour de France.

MR: Well, there are a lot of small things that should never have been out in the public, because some information is confidential. So therefore, there was no case. If I had received a third warning, a case would be opened. And then UCI could sanction me. But because there were only two, there was no sensible reason to go public. There are a lot of other riders in Denmark and on the National Team with warnings that the public knows nothing about. So once again, a remarkable special treatment has been carried out.

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Doping problems is naturally on top of the agenda within the cycling sports, and we see that some riders are exposed, Vinokourov, Moreni during the Tour de France. So a lot of resources are used on this. Have you ever used doping?

MR: No I have absolutely not. And again I must confirm that since 30th June until the moment I was kicked out, I have hade 17 controls. This can only support my words.

TV2: Do you feel hounded as riders?

MR: Well, of course there is a problem and there has been a problem. The problem is fought with all means. It is getting smaller, because we have a control system that works. But naturally it is obvious to anyone that the riders are treated very different from other athletes.

TV2: But what is the control system worth if the race directors of Tour de France overrule the system? A case has not been opened.

MR: That is what makes the whole situation much more frustrating, not only for me, but for everyone. I think most lawyers or people with just a bit of education can see, that something happened here that should never have happened.

TV2: How do you think the press have handled the matter?

MR: Primarily, the press has been driven by sensation-seeking, and has not narrowed the sense of criticism. As the rider in the yellow jersey, I am an easy target, and there have been shots from both left and right.

TV2: Do you feel part of a smear campaign against yourself?

MR: From some medias, yes. Others have chosen to view the matter a bit more critical.

TV2: Why do you think some have been targeting you from the moment you got the yellow jersey?

MR: The yellow jersey has been hunted for several years now, at least 10 years, lately with Landis who was kicked out. Maybe there has been some expectation from the public that they guy wearing the yellow jersey is the one to get. As I say, at war it is always the ones in front you shoot at.

TV2: Prior the Tour de France you said that this Tour would decide if you had to work for the rest of your life or you could live from the earnings you made through your sport. Will this situation throw you into financial chaos?

MR: Not at the moment, no. And a legal case has started now, the result of that will influent my financial situation.

TV2: But it is a lot of money you are missing out on. A victory like that is truly worth a lot of money, isn’t it? Don’t you think you will be bitter about that?

MR: Yes, but besides the financial problem, there will be some tough feelings that no money in the world can replace.

TV2: Now the legal system takes over, and we have seen that this can take a while. You are 33 years old, have you seen your last race as a professional?

MR: No, I absolutely think not. And it is not my feeling that the process will take that long.

TV2: So realistically, you think there will be a team that dares to hire you after all this?

MR: Yes, I am convinced that there are a lot of people who easily can see that mistakes have happened in this case, because a rash decision has been made.

TV2: So you think you will start at the Tour de France next year?

MR: It is probably a question that will await an answer for some time. It depends on teams available for the future.

TV2: But how far are you willing to go for a new chance in the Tour de France?

MR: Well really, Tour de France is what fascinates med as a rider. And no matter how I was treated, if I get the chance, I will do it, because it’s the most prestigious race in the world as well as the most important race all season. Armstrong was also not so popular , but nevertheless he showed up seven years in a row and beat them all.

TV2: you have been riding your bike today. How can you manage it, thinking of the situation as it is at the moment?

MR: I have been in a state of siege by papparazies the last couple of days, and this morning I saw that there was no one in front of the door, so I thought there was an opportunity to get some fresh air. And to do what I love most in the world.

TV2: Did that help you think some things through?

MR: That’s were I feel most comfortable, on my bike.

TV2: I have visited your bike shop in town. Supporting emails are pouring in. How do you feel about the support you receive from cycling people around the world?

MR: Actually, I think it is not only cycling people. Its also regular people, who easily can see, that a gigantic mistake has been made in this case.

TV2: You seem relatively serene. Have you recovered from the shock it must have been to be kicked out?

MR: I will never recover from that.

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Op maandag 30 juli 2007 07:44 schreef Manu82 het volgende:

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Goed interview, maar staat eigenlijk niks nieuws in

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Op maandag 30 juli 2007 09:09 schreef sitting_elfling het volgende:

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moah, nou toch duidelijk dat vorig jaar samen met rasmussen nog 5 andere! rabo renners ook hun whereabouts niet op tijd ingeleverd hadden!

en dat de rooij zoals bekend wel degelijk met de bank had gesproken. Vooraf werd gedacht dat hij de grote druk niet kon weerstaan, dat blijkt want anders heb ie geen contact met de bank nodig.

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Op maandag 30 juli 2007 09:52 schreef NeoGenic1982 het volgende:
OMG 2 dagen niet online en meteen geloofd iedereen dat petitlapin2 rechten studeerd :S hij liegt hoor gasten

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Op maandag 30 juli 2007 09:55 schreef petitlapin2 het volgende:

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ik ben een vrouw , en als er hier iemand liegt, zal het onze held rasmussen wel zijn

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Op maandag 30 juli 2007 10:06 schreef du_ke het volgende:
Vertropuw Rasmussen nog steeds voor geen meter maar het wordtwel hoog tijd dat de waarheid eindelijk eens boven tafel komt .

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KOPENHAGEN - De in ongenade gevallen wielrenner Michael Rasmussen is er in de Ronde van Frankrijk in 2008 weer bij.

Dat zei de Deen zondag in een interview met de Deense televisiezender TV2.

Bekritiseren

De Rabobankploeg haalde Rasmussen afgelopen woensdag uit de Tour. Hij had die dag de bergetappe gewonnen en de gele trui nog steviger om de schouders.

De 33-jarige renner bekritiseerde in het vraaggesprek nogmaals de beslissing van zijn Nederlandse werkgever om hem uit de Tour te halen en te ontslaan.

Dope

De Deen had gelogen over zijn verblijfplaats in voorbereiding op de Tour.

"Ik heb nooit dope gebruikt. Ik heb altijd 'schoon' gefietst en ik zal er klaar voor zijn om volgend jaar in het belangrijkste wielerevenement deel te nemen", aldus Rasmussen.