quote:Op zaterdag 18 juni 2005 01:46 schreef halion het volgende:ik denk dat het redelijk naief is om nog steeds te denken dat ze vermist is en misschien in een put gevallen is. We hebben te maken met een 17-jarige Joran van der Sloot en de Kalpoe Brothers, die alle drie verschillende verhalen hebben verteld over hun laatste uren met Natalee Holloway. Joran heeft zijn verhaal ook nog drie keer gewijzigd. Tel daarbij op de nieuwe verdachte Steve Cruise die werkt op de Tattoo party boat, welke op iedere avond de zee op gaat om te feesten met gasten, behalve op zondagavond. En laat zondagavond nou net de avond zijn waarop Natalee H. spoorloos verdwenen is.Bovendien staat Satish Kalpoe ook nog in relatie tot Steve Cruise. Die twee zijn matties.
quote:Op zaterdag 18 juni 2005 04:50 schreef machteld het volgende:Familie van Bettico?
quote:an Alabama teen who disappeared from the Dutch-occupied island three weeks ago, FOX News has learned.
quote:Missing in Aruba (3) – lie detector MY NAME IS Elio Nicolaas and I am a resident of Aruba. I am a retired policeman, having served with the police department for more than 21 years. I believe that I can say that I have more than average knowledge in police management and practical experience in investigation and interrogation techniques.I already had my doubts about the (possible) real story behind the disappearance of Natalee Holloway after 3 or 4 days of such being reported in the media. The doubts ebbed away a little after the arrest of the two security guards. Hearing the (possible) alibi of one of these guards, I told many around me that they would be freed within 2 or 3 days. This did not happen and I have my personal thoughts about this. The arrest of the 3 ‘original suspects’ who were labelled ‘witnesses’ at first, while the two security guards were still detained, further broadened my doubts about this whole nightmare for Aruba and its people. There are still a lot of questions to be answered, irrespective the fate of Natalee Holloway and it might well be that these three suspects will turn out to be (unwilling?) witnesses after all. I believe that Natalee is alive and possibly (still) in Aruba. My heart goes out to her family and I hope that I am right. If not – God spare – I hope that the family will understand that everything should be done to find her. That is the main objective at the moment.Too many rumours have been going around since the first week of the disappearance of Natalee and I believe it is time that everybody who is connected some way or the other to Natalee, should be interviewed in a serious manner. These rumours must be verified. To do this, there is no better way than by using the polygraph. Admittedly, even in the US, only a dozen or so states accept the polygraph as evidence in its courts of law. However, most states permit the use of the polygraph (lie detector) as a very powerful investigative tool. I believe that the persons close to Natalee can be interviewed in Aruba by a (accredited) FBI polygraphist, who will evaluate this, and the results (charts) should also be given to a private polygraphist in the US engaged by the Government of Aruba for evaluation.This procedure would have been very common in the US, and it is a pity that no one has even mentioned this possibility. Some local media may feel intimidated to publish this point of view that I am suggesting, but I believe that all concerned will be well served by it. E.D. (ELIO) NICOLAASAruba
quote:Suspect's Dad Questioned in ArubaPolice in Aruba (search) have questioned the father of a Dutch teenager who's been detained in connection with the Natalee Holloway case. They say they're hoping the man may have seen something to help them find out what happened to the 18-year-old from Alabama (search), missing since the end of May.Paul van der Sloot (search), the man who was questioned last night, is in training to be a judge. The island's police superintendent says van der Sloot was "questioned as a witness."He's the father of a 17-year-old who's one of the last people seen with Holloway on the night she disappeared.Three other men are also in custody, but no one has been charged.Yesterday, a judge ordered the Dutch teen and his two friends to stay in jail for at least another week, as investigators continue to look for clues.The fourth man who's been detained will appear before a judge tomorrow.
quote:Op zondag 19 juni 2005 18:58 schreef milagro het volgende:Pappie wordt gevraagd zich er mee te bemoeien, toch Roel?
quote:Speculatie, aanname, sensatiezoekend (disclaimer dus voor het geval dat) Dadelijk heeft pappie zoonlief geholpen een en ander weg te werken
quote:Op zondag 19 juni 2005 19:26 schreef Roel_Jewel het volgende:[..]'t Is toch raar dat dat nu pas gebeurt? Of zouden er ineens zulke nieuwe feiten zijn die hiervoor aanleiding zijn?[..]Je weet 't maar nooit ....
quote:Aruba police ignored evidence: Natalee's family nabbed suspectsAruba police ignored evidence: Natalee's family nabbed suspectsPowered by CDNN - CYBER DIVER News Networkby JAY REEVES Natalee Holloway ORANJESTAD, Aruba (18 June 2005) -- Natalee Holloway's family, not Aruban police, first identified and located a Dutch youth now held as a suspect in the disappearance of the Alabama teen, according to a friend who helped with the search.The family's quick work — a combination of hunches, tips and amateur detective work on the Caribbean island — also led to two of the youth's friends who also were taken into custody. But it ultimately was met by frustration when authorities failed to quickly arrest the trio, which included the son of a prominent Dutch ministry official."She had been missing less than 24 hours and we had all three names and addresses, so it's just disappointing that they weren't able to move faster," said Jody Bearman, who organized the trip to Aruba for 125 students from Mountain Brook High School and seven chaperones.The three weren't taken into custody until 10 days after Holloway's family knew of them, and the search continued Saturday for Holloway, an honors student set to attend The University of Alabama on a full scholarship this fall.Aruban authorities have defended their work in the nearly three weeks since Holloway failed to show up for the trip home to Alabama. Police work takes time, they have said.Mariaine Croes, a spokeswoman for the attorney general's office in Aruba, declined comment Saturday on how authorities initially learned of the three suspects."We have to wait for the investigation to finish," she said. A fourth suspect, the DJ from a party boat, also is in custody.Speaking in an interview late Friday, Bearman said Aruban authorities weren't totally to blame for their early failure to identify suspect Joran van der Sloot and the others, something she said the amateur sleuths did in less than three hours in Aruba."They did not know what was going on," she said. "We were there on a mission."12 hours to ArubaTerrified after hearing news any parent dreads, Beth Holloway Twitty landed in Aruba about 12 hours after learning her daughter Natalee had vanished during a graduation trip. Accompanied by her husband and friends including Bearman on a donated corporate jet, Holloway Twitty had a few bits of information from Mountain Brook graduates who were on the trip, most importantly a physical description of a Dutch teenager — a judge's son, they thought — with whom Natalee was seen leaving a bar, Carlos 'N Charlie's, on May 30, the night she disappeared.Bearman said the group also was told that Holloway's friends had seen the same teenager in the casino at the hotel where they were staying.With help from some locals, Holloway's mother and the others determined the youth had been in the casino playing in a Texas Hold 'Em poker tournament, according to Bearman.Sign in sheetPlayers had to sign in, she said, and that gave them a name and initial: Joran V."After talking to enough people, we were able to deduce that it was Joran van der Sloot," she said. "Once we got the name we were able to track the address through people and we got the police. They escorted us and we went straight to the house."Van der Sloot's father, Aruban judge-in-training Paul van der Sloot, said his son was out playing poker when the group first arrived at the house around 1 a.m., Bearman said. Still accompanied by police, the group went to a couple of places looking for van der Sloot before returning to the father's house and finding Joran van der Sloot there with one of the two Surinamese brothers who later were held, she said."Basically we interrogated him," Bearman said. "He never denied being with her."Van der Sloot described dancing with Holloway at the bar and said "she wanted to go with me" at closing time, according to Bearman.Van der Sloot claimed he left Holloway outside the Holiday Inn resort where the group was staying after they took a late-night trip to a scenic lighthouse, Bearman said, and he even accompanied the family to the hotel to show them the exact spot where she was dropped off.His story didn't add up, though, according to Bearman."We started pressing him on that because we had students who were in the lobby until 5 a.m., and she never arrived," she said.QuestioningWhile Aruban police were present during the questioning of van der Sloot, which lasted until about 3 a.m., officers left the talking to Holloway's family until things began to get "heated," Bearman said.Van der Sloot and the Surinamese brothers — Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18 — were interrogated by police the next day and released. While they were later taken into custody, no one has been charged.Two one-time security guards were taken into custody because van der Sloot and the brothers said they saw Holloway outside the hotel with a security guard, but both have since been released.The fourth person in custody, Steve Gregory Croes, 26, played music on a tourist party barge called the "Tattoo," but none of the Mountain Brook teens were known to have gone on the boat, Bearman said. An employer of Croes said the disc jockey knew one of the Surinamese brothers through an Internet cafe.
quote:Op zondag 19 juni 2005 11:17 schreef Pikkebaas het volgende:Is van Persie misschien niet even langs gewipt ??
quote:Op zondag 19 juni 2005 23:33 schreef the_legend_killer het volgende:[..]Hij kan niet overal zijn.
quote:Op zondag 19 juni 2005 19:33 schreef milagro het volgende:[..]Ms is het wel raar, ja.Die zoon heeft dacht ik een soort van eigen appartementje, aan zijn ouderlijk huis, eigen opgang dus ook neem ik aan, dus ik neem wederom aan, dat zoonlief kan komen en gaan zonder dat Pa en Ma in de gaten hebben hoe of wat en met wie etc.Zoonlief heeft om 06.30 die morgen gebeld met de 5e verdachte, dat is dus onlangs pas gebleken, daarom is die 5e man nu ook verdachte,.mss willen ze daarom nu pas weten van Pa of hij iets gemerkt heeft die morgen van af en aan rijden van derden, of zo