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Op vrijdag 1 oktober 2004 14:13 schreef stigchel het volgende:
No pressure and all and you're more than welcome to disregard, but any chance of a respons to the questions asked when you where holding on for dear life. Some very interesting points were raised.
(I said: And second and still because of govt and religious propaganda. It is now becoming necessary for the alien races to push the matter.)
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Ok, let's assess this comment in the light of what it is supposed to counter, namely government opression and fear mongering. We have system A lead by people that do not have our best interests at heart, fair enough. Then a group of aliens swoops down from the sky and imposes a new system, lead by aliens that do not have our best interests at heart.
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What the alien races have to push for is giving information to the publics because our govts won't do it. The publics want it, need it, have a right to it and are demanding it. The alien races are not imposing- they have been offering their help through our leadership and still are. If we humans decide to change things but can't do it on our own, the alien races can and will help us if we ask, and many of us are and the numbers are growing. Besides this, all of the alien races visiting Earth have our best interests at heart, but they have all the races' best interests at heart. They are not angels, and not unlimited. There are problems which can't be solved without opening communication and sharing information.
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Why would I say this? Because of your choice of words. 'Push the matter, because..." In other words, if they fail to get us into the flock, we will start to become a threat to them in some way, shape or form. We, as a planet, need to be enlightened now, before we do something not alltogether beneficial to the rest of our galactic neighbours.
In short "resistance is futile, prepare to be assimilated, you will comply". Give up everything we hold dear, our entire understanding of the universe, our entire moral frame and civil structure.
It is true that if we humans do not learn the rules of exploring the Universe, we will not be allowed to explore. The other races can't take us over or tell us how to live, but they can keep our threat away from themselves. Humanity is all different factions. One faction is preventing the other factions from progressing and from working toward peace. If the alien races wanted to assimilate us they would have done that long ago.
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And for what? We are just a small planet with small people, lacking any major ability to influense the greater galaxis around us. Why would anyone bother with this worthless third rock from the sun (I'm just a fountain of reference)? Let's assume the alien's motives are purely altruistic. That they know something we don't and are here to tell us to do things differently or suffer the consequences or our own actions. Very nice of them, sure enough, a bit of warning is always good. But there is also such a thing as freedom of choice. One of the major constructs of your entire civilisation. Freedom of religion, freedom of speach and a freedom to make up your own mind.
The other races bother with us for the same good reason we in one country bother with other countries, to bring us together so we can coexist in peace and help each other progress. You and I deserve freedom of choice, religion and speech, yet our leading govts are denying us that by hiding our choices of whether to make gains by allying with all the other races in our area. We individuals are by right of heritage and nature deserving of the relationship with other life.
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How then, I put it to you, can you consider imposing themselves and their plans on us to be altruistic. Any forced change, even change for the better, flies right in the face of freedom of choice. If we, as a planet, do not wish their presense, guidance or counsil, no matter how silly that may be, they should at least have the respect to pretend not to interfere.
You go right past the idea that most of us have elected representation. People like us govern us. Never mind global conspiracy, the people that shield us from this knowledge are people like ourselves, reacting like we would.
I want to make my own choices. You and I elect our leaders to work for us. Our leaders are doing things against their publics for their own reasons, not ours. In denying us information and in sabotaging public opinion against other life, we are not being represented well. You are right that we are one race, but not all individuals are the same. I, myself, prefer to share information about alien life with all humans, so that all humans can decide whether we would like to gain from them. I don't think my president can make that decision for me without my consent or even my knowledge. I would like to hear from the aliens myself.
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There is a phylosofical theorum that states that no being, sentient or otherwise can ever work without at least some degree of egocentrism. Even the most selfless act has some merrit to the self of the being. There is no such thing as a free lunch
That theorem is a human idea only. The merit for the alien people here is personal and not for payment of money. The goal is peace. The individuals who work here are the volunteer and elected professionals of their races, working to ensure the peace between us.
Think: Do you ever perform a deed for the personal satisfaction of helping others, out of your willingness to contribute? Or do you only ever do anything constructive if it is for your own self? The alien races do not have personal needs for money for food or housing or to provide basics for their families. They do not deny others their vital assistance unless they get paid some extra thing above and beyond. You have to consider a lot of things that are different about us and advanced life in order to have an informed opinion about what the other races are doing here.