Terrorist Brussel sloeg toe tijdens proefverlof

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Op dinsdag 20 november 2018 15:53 schreef probeer het volgende:

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Belachelijk voorbeeld.

Want roken leidt altijd tot een verslechtering van je gezondheid. Dat is simpelweg medisch aan te tonen.

Het aanhangen van een stroming van de islam leidt in het overgrote deel van de gevallen NIET tot terrorisme en/of extremisme. Dus kan je niet stellen dat de oorzaak van terrorisme, de islam is. Correcter zou zijn; het actief participeren aan een extremistische stroming van de islam die geweld tegen anderen propageert.

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Op dinsdag 20 november 2018 15:54 schreef Cause_Mayhem het volgende:

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Serieus??? Dit is je come back???

Je vergeet wat stukjes. Zo kan ik ook zeggen dat jij hebt gezegd dat je willekeurige gelovigen dood. 'ik dood willekeurige gelovigen' kan ik uit je teksten halen.

Klopt niet, is stukjes pakken die me goed uitkomen. Maar even om uit te leggen wat jij hier doet.
Maar goed, je kan die koran in je kast erop naslaan, kant en klare cherry picking van het internet kopieren is niet heel indrukwekkend.

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[9.1] (This is a declaration of) immunity by Allah and His Apostle towards those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement.
[9.2] So go about in the land for four months and know that you cannot weaken Allah and that Allah will bring disgrace to the unbelievers.
[9.3] And an announcement from Allah and His Apostle to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah and His Apostle are free from liability to the idolaters; therefore if you repent, it will be better for you, and if you turn back, then know that you will not weaken Allah; and announce painful punishment to those who disbelieve.
[9.4] Except those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement, then they have not failed you in anything and have not backed up any one against you, so fulfill their agreement to the end of their term; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty).
[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[9.6] And if one of the idolaters seek protection from you, grant him protection till he hears the word of Allah, then make him attain his place of safety; this is because they are a people who do not know.
[9.7] How can there be an agreement for the idolaters with Allah and with His Apostle; except those with whom you made an agreement at the Sacred Mosque? So as long as they are true to you, be true to them; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty).
[9.8] How (can it be)! while if they prevail against you, they would not pay regard in your case to ties of relationship, nor those of covenant; they please you with their mouths while their hearts do not consent; and most of them are transgressors.
[9.9] They have taken a small price for the communications of Allah, so they turn away from His way; surely evil is it that they do.
[9.10] They do not pay regard to ties of relationship nor those of covenant in the case of a believer; and these are they who go beyond the limits.
[9.11] But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith; and We make the communications clear for a people who know.
[9.12] And if they break their oaths after their agreement and (openly) revile your religion, then fight the leaders of unbelief-- surely their oaths are nothing-- so that they may desist.
[9.13] What! will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Apostle, and they attacked you first; do you fear them? But Allah is most deserving that you should fear Him, if you are believers.
[9.14] Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them and heal the hearts of a believing people.
[9.15] And remove the rage of their hearts; and Allah turns (mercifully) to whom He pleases, and Allah is Knowing, Wise.
[9.16] What! do you think that you will be left alone while Allah has not yet known those of you who have struggled hard and have not taken any one as an adherent besides Allah and His Apostle and the believers; and Allah is aware of what you do.
[9.17] The idolaters have no right to visit the mosques of Allah while bearing witness to unbelief against themselves, these it is whose doings are null, and in the fire shall they abide.
[9.18] Only he shall visit the mosques of Allah who believes in Allah and the latter day, and keeps up prayer and pays the poor-rate and fears none but Allah; so (as for) these, it may be that they are of the followers of the right course.
[9.19] What! do you make (one who undertakes) the giving of drink to the pilgrims and the guarding of the Sacred Mosque like him who believes in Allah and the latter day and strives hard in Allah's way? They are not equal with Allah; and Allah does not guide the unjust people.
[9.20] Those who believed and fled (their homes), and strove hard in Allah's way with their property and their souls, are much higher in rank with Allah; and those are they who are the achievers (of their objects).
[9.21] Their Lord gives them good news of mercy from Himself and (His) good pleasure and gardens, wherein lasting blessings shall be theirs;
[9.22] Abiding therein for ever; surely Allah has a Mighty reward with Him.
[9.23] O you who believe! do not take your fathers and your brothers for guardians if they love unbelief more than belief; and whoever of you takes them for a guardian, these it is that are the unjust.
[9.24] Say: If your fathers and your sons and your brethren and your mates and your kinsfolk and property which you have acquired, and the slackness of trade which you fear and dwellings which you like, are dearer to you than Allah and His Apostle and striving in His way, then wait till Allah brings about His command: and Allah does not guide the transgressing people.
[9.25] Certainly Allah helped you in many battlefields and on the day of Hunain, when your great numbers made you vain, but they availed you nothing and the earth became strait to you notwithstanding its spaciousness, then you turned back retreating.
[9.26] Then Allah sent down His tranquillity upon His Apostle and upon the believers, and sent down hosts which you did not see, and chastised those who disbelieved, and that is the reward of the unbelievers.
[9.27] Then will Allah after this turn (mercifully) to whom He pleases, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[9.28] O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
[9.31] They have taken their doctors of law and their monks for lords besides Allah, and (also) the Messiah son of Marium and they were enjoined that they should serve one God only, there is no god but He; far from His glory be what they set up (with Him).
[9.32] They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His light, though the unbelievers are averse.
[9.33] He it is Who sent His Apostle with guidance and the religion of truth, that He might cause it to prevail over all religions, though the polytheists may be averse.
[9.34] O you who believe! most surely many of the doctors of law and the monks eat away the property of men falsely, and turn (them) from Allah's way; and (as for) those who hoard up gold and silver and do not spend it in Allah's way, announce to them a painful chastisement,
[9.35] On the day when it shall be heated in the fire of hell, then their foreheads and their sides and their backs shall be branded with it; this is what you hoarded up for yourselves, therefore taste what you hoarded.
[9.36] Surely the number of months with Allah is twelve months in Allah's ordinance since the day when He created the heavens and the earth, of these four being sacred; that is the right reckoning; therefore be not unjust to yourselves regarding them, and fight the polytheists all together as they fight you all together; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
[9.37] Postponing (of the sacred month) is only an addition in unbelief, wherewith those who disbelieve are led astray, violating it one year and keeping it sacred another, that they may agree in the number (of months) that Allah has made sacred, and thus violate what Allah has made sacred; the evil of their doings is made fairseeming to them; and Allah does not guide the unbelieving people.
[9.38] O you who believe! What (excuse) have you that when it is said to you: Go forth in Allah's way, you should incline heavily to earth; are you contented with this world's life instead of the hereafter? But the provision of this world's life compared with the hereafter is but little.
[9.39] If you do not go forth, He will chastise you with a painful chastisement and bring in your place a people other than you, and you will do Him no harm; and Allah has power over all things.
[9.40] If you will not aid him, Allah certainly aided him when those who disbelieved expelled him, he being the second of the two, when they were both in the cave, when he said to his companion: Grieve not, surely Allah is with us. So Allah sent down His tranquillity upon him and strengthened him with hosts which you did not see, and made lowest the word of those who disbelieved; and the word of Allah, that is the highest; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.
[9.41] Go forth light and heavy, and strive hard in Allah's way with your property and your persons; this is better for you, if you know.
[9.42] Had it been a near advantage and a short journey, they would certainly have followed you, but the tedious journey was too long for them; and they swear by Allah: If we had been able, we would certainly have gone forth with you; they cause their own souls to perish, and Allah knows that they are most surely
[9.43] Allah pardon you! Why did you give them leave until those who spoke the truth had become manifest to you and you had known the liars?
[9.44] They do not ask leave of you who believe in Allah and the latter day (to stay away) from striving hard with their property and their persons, and Allah knows those who guard (against evil).
[9.45] They only ask leave of you who do not believe in Allah and the latter day and their hearts are in doubt, so in their doubt do they waver.
[9.46] And if they had intended to go forth, they would certainly have provided equipment for it, but Allah did not like their going forth, so He withheld them, and it was said (to them): Hold back with those who hold back.
[9.47] Had they gone forth with you, they would not have added to you aught save corruption, and they would certainly have hurried about among you seeking (to sow) dissension among you, and among you there are those who hearken for their sake; and Allah knows the unjust.
[9.48] Certainly they sought (to sow) dissension before, and they meditated plots against you until the truth came, and Allah's commandment prevailed although they were averse (from it).
[9.49] And among them there is he who says: Allow me and do not try me. Surely into trial have they already tumbled down, and most surely hell encompasses the unbelievers.
[9.50] If good befalls you, it grieves them, and if hardship afflicts you, they say: Indeed we had taken care of our affair before; and they turn back and are glad.
[9.51] Say: Nothing will afflict us save what Allah has ordained for us; He is our.Patron; and on Allah let the believers rely.
[9.52] Say: Do you await for us but one of two most excellent things? And we await for you that Allah will afflict you with punishment from Himself or by our hands. So wait; we too will wait with you.
[9.53] Say: Spend willingly or unwillingly, it shall not be accepted from you; surely you are a transgressing people.
[9.54] And nothing hinders their spendings being accepted from them, except that they disbelieve in Allah and in His Apostle and they do not come to prayer but while they are sluggish, and they do not spend but while they are unwilling.
[9.55] Let not then their property and their children excite your admiration; Allah only wishes to chastise them with these in this world's life and (that) their souls may depart while they are unbelievers.
[9.56] And they swear by Allah that they are most surely of you, and they are not of you, but they are a people who are afraid (of you).
[9.57] If they could find a refuge or cave or a place to enter into, they would certainly have turned thereto, running away in all haste.
[9.58] And of them there are those who blame you with respect to the alms; so if they are given from it they are pleased, and if they are not given from it, lo! they are full of rage.
[9.59] And if they were content with what Allah and His Apostle gave them, and had said: Allah is sufficient for us; Allah will soon give us (more) out of His grace and His Apostle too; surely to Allah do we make our petition.
[9.60] Alms are only for the poor and the needy, and the officials (appointed) over them, and those whose hearts are made to incline (to truth) and the (ransoming of) captives and those in debts and in the way of Allah and the wayfarer; an ordinance from Allah; and Allah is knowing, Wise.
[9.61] And there are some of them who molest the Prophet and say: He is one who believes every thing that he hears; say: A hearer of good for you (who) believes in Allah and believes the faithful and a mercy for those of you who believe; and (as for) those who molest the Apostle of Allah, they shall have a painful punishment.
[9.62] They swear to you by Allah that they might please you and, Allah, as well as His Apostle, has a greater right that they should please Him, if they are believers.
[9.63] Do they not know that whoever acts in opposition to Allah and His Apostle, he shall surely have the fire of hell to abide in it? That is the grievous abasement.
[9.64] The hypocrites fear lest a chapter should be sent down to them telling them plainly of what is in their hearts. Say: Go on mocking, surely Allah will bring forth what you fear.
[9.65] And if you should question them, they would certainly say: We were only idly discoursing and sporting. Say: Was it at Allah and His communications and His Apostle that you mocked?
[9.66] Do not make excuses; you have denied indeed after you had believed; if We pardon a party of you, We will chastise (another) party because they are guilty.
[9.67] The hypocritical men and the hypocritical women are all alike; they enjoin evil and forbid good and withhold their hands; they have forsaken Allah, so He has forsaken them; surely the hypocrites are the transgressors.
[9.68] Allah has promised the hypocritical men and the hypocritical women and the unbelievers the fire of hell to abide therein; it is enough for them; and Allah has cursed them and they shall have lasting punishment.
[9.69] Like those before you; they were stronger than you in power and more abundant in wealth and children, so they enjoyed their portion; thus have you enjoyed your portion as those before you enjoyed their portion; and you entered into vain discourses like the vain discourses in which entered those before you. These are they whose works are null in this world and the hereafter, and these are they who are the losers.
[9.70] Has not the news of those before them come to them; of the people of Nuh and Ad and Samood, and the people of Ibrahim and the dwellers of Madyan and the overthrown cities; their apostles came to them with clear arguments; so it was not Allah Who should do them injustice, but they were unjust to themselves.
[9.71] And (as for) the believing men and the believing women, they are guardians of each other; they enjoin good and forbid evil and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His Apostle; (as for) these, Allah will show mercy to them; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.
[9.72] Allah has promised to the believing men and the believing women gardens, beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them, and goodly dwellings in gardens of perpetual abode; and best of all is Allah's goodly pleasure; that is the grand achievement.
[9.73] O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.
[9.74] They swear by Allah that they did not speak, and certainly they did speak, the word of unbelief, and disbelieved after their Islam, and they had determined upon what they have not been able to effect, and they did not find fault except because Allah and His Apostle enriched them out of His grace; therefore if they repent, it will be good for them; and if they turn back, Allah will chastise them with a painful chastisement in this world and the hereafter, and they shall not have in the land any guardian or a helper.
[9.75] And there are those of them who made a covenant with Allah: If He give us out of His grace, we will certainly give alms and we will certainly be of the good.
[9.76] But when He gave them out of His grace, they became niggardly of it and they turned back and they withdrew.
[9.77] So He made hypocrisy to follow as a consequence into their hearts till the day when they shall meet Him because they failed to perform towards Allah what they had promised with Him and because they told lies.
[9.78] Do they not know that Allah knows their hidden thoughts and their secret counsels, and that Allah is the great Knower of the unseen things?
[9.79] They who taunt those of the faithful who give their alms freely, and those who give to the extent of their earnings and scoff at them; Allah will pay them back their scoffing, and they shall have a painful chastisement.
[9.80] Ask forgiveness for them or do not ask forgiveness for them; even if you ask forgiveness for them seventy times, Allah will not forgive them; this is because they disbelieve in Allah and His Apostle, and Allah does not guide the transgressing people.
[9.81] Those who were left behind were glad on account of their sitting behind Allah's Apostle and they were averse from striving m Allah's way with their property and their persons, and said: Do not go forth in the heat. Say: The fire of hell is much severe in heat. Would that they understood (it).
[9.82] Therefore they shall laugh little and weep much as a recompense for what they earned.
[9.83] Therefore if Allah brings you back to a party of them and then they ask your permission to go forth, say: By no means shall you ever go forth with me and by no means shall you fight an enemy with me; surely you chose to sit the first time, therefore sit (now) with those who remain behind.
[9.84] And never offer prayer for any one of them who dies and do not stand by his grave; surely they disbelieve in Allah and His Apostle and they shall die in transgression.
[9.85] And let not their property and their children excite your admlration; Allah only wishes to chastise them with these in this world and (that) their souls may depart while they are unbelievers
[9.86] And whenever a chapter is revealed, saying: Believe in Allah and strive hard along with His Apostle, those having ampleness of means ask permission of you and say: Leave us (behind), that we may be with those who sit.
[9.87] They preferred to be with those who remained behind, and a seal is set on their hearts so they do not understand.
[9.88] But the Apostle and those who believe with him strive hard with their property and their persons; and these it is who shall have the good things and these it is who shall be successful.
[9.89] Allah has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them; that is the great achievement. And the defaulters from among the dwellers of the desert came that permission may be given to them and they sat (at home) who lied to Allah and His Apostle; a painful chastisement shall afflict those of them who disbelieved.
[9.91] It shall be no crime in the weak, nor in the sick, nor in those who do not find what they should spend (to stay behind), so long as they are sincere to Allah and His Apostle; there is no way (to blame) against the doers of good; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful;
[9.92] Nor in those who when they came to you that you might carry them, you said: I cannot find that on which to carry you; they went back while their eyes overflowed with tears on account of grief for not finding that which they should spend.
[9.93] The way (to blame) is only against those who ask permission of you though they are rich; they have chosen to be with those who remained behind, and Allah has set a seal upon their hearts so they do not know.
[9.94] They will excuse themselves to you when you go back to them. Say: Urge no excuse, by no means will we believe you; indeed Allah has informed us of matters relating to you; and now Allah and His Apostle will see your doings, then you shall be brought back to the Knower of the unseen and the seen, then He will inform you of what you did.
[9.95] They will swear to you by Allah when you return to them so that you may turn aside from them; so do turn aside from them; surely they are unclean and their abode is hell; a recompense for what they earned.
[9.96] They will swear to you that you may be pleased with them; but if you are pleased with them, yet surely Allah is not pleased with the transgressing people.
[9.97] The dwellers of the desert are very hard in unbelief and hypocrisy, and more disposed not to know the limits of what Allah has revealed to His Apostle; and Allah is Knowing, Wise.
[9.98] And of the dwellers of the desert are those who take what they spend to be a fine, and they wait (the befalling of) calamities to you; on them (will be) the evil calamity; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
[9.99] And of the dwellers of the desert are those who believe in Allah and the latter day and take what they spend to be (means of) the nearness of Allah and the Apostle's prayers; surely it shall be means of nearness for them; Allah will make them enter into His mercy; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[9.100] And (as for) the foremost, the first of the Muhajirs and the Ansars, and those who followed them in goodness, Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him, and He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flOw, to abide in them for ever; that is the mighty achievement.
[9.101] And from among those who are round about you of the dwellers of the desert there are hypocrites, and from among the people of Medina (also); they are stubborn in hypocrisy; you do not know them; We know them; We will chastise them twice then shall they be turned back to a grievous chastisement
[9.102] And others have confessed their faults, they have mingled a good deed and an evil one; may be Allah will turn to them (mercifully); surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[9.103] Take alms out of their property, you would cleanse them and purify them thereby, and pray for them; surely your prayer is a relief to them; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
[9.104] Do they not know that Allah accepts repentance from His servants and takes the alms, and that Allah is the Oft-returning (to mercy), the Merciful?
[9.105] And say: Work; so Allah will see your work and (so will) His Apostle and the believers; and you shall be brought back to the Knower of the unseen and the seen, then He will inform you of what you did.
[9.106] And others are made to await Allah's command, whether He chastise them or whether He turn to them (mercifully), and Allah is Knowing, Wise.
[9.107] And those who built a masjid to cause harm and for unbelief and to cause disunion among the believers and an ambush to him who made war against Allah and His Apostle before; and they will certainly swear: We did not desire aught but good; and Allah bears witness that they are most surely liars.
[9.108] Never stand in it; certainly a masjid founded on piety from the very first day is more deserving that you should stand in it; in it are men who love that they should be purified; and Allah loves those who purify themselves.
[9.109] Is he, therefore, better who lays his foundation on fear of Allah and (His) good pleasure, or he who lays his foundation on the edge of a cracking hollowed bank, so it broke down with him into the fire of hell; and Allah does not guide the unjust people.
[9.110] The building which they have built will ever continue to be a source of disquiet in their hearts, except that their hearts get cut into pieces; and Allah is Knowing, Wise.
[9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain; a promise which is binding on Him in the Taurat and the Injeel and the Quran; and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? Rejoice therefore in the pledge which you have made; and that is the mighty achievement.
[9.112] They who turn (to Allah), who serve (Him), who praise (Him), who fast, who bow down, who prostrate themselves, who enjoin what is good and forbid what is evil, and who keep the limits of Allah; and give good news to the believers.
[9.113] It is not (fit) for the Prophet and those who believe that they should ask forgiveness for the polytheists, even though they should be near relatives, after it has become clear to them that they are inmates of the flaming fire.
[9.114] And Ibrahim asking forgiveness for his sire was only owing to a promise which he had made to him; but when it became clear to him that he was an enemy of Allah, he declared himself to be clear of him; most surely Ibrahim was very tender-hearted forbearing.
[9.115] It is not (attributable to) Allah that He should lead a people astray after He has guided them; He even makes clear to them what they should guard against; surely Allah knows all things.
[9.116] Surely Allah's is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth; He brings to life and causes to die; and there is not for you besides Allah any Guardian or Helper.
[9.117] Certainly Allah has turned (mercifully) to the Prophet and those who fled (their homes) and the helpers who followed him in the hour of straitness after the hearts of a part of them were about to deviate, then He turned to them (mercifully); surely to them He is Compassionate, Merciful.
[9.118] And to the three who were left behind, until the earth became strait to them notwithstanding its spaciousness and their souls were also straitened to them; and they knew it for certain that there was no refuge from Allah but in Him; then He turned to them (mercifully) that they might turn (to Him); surely Allah is the Oft-returning (to mercy), the Merciful.
[9.119] O you who believe! be careful of (your duty to) Allah and be with the true ones.
[9.120] It did not beseem the people of Medina and those round about them of the dwellers of the desert to remain behind the Apostle of Allah, nor should they desire (anything) for themselves in preference to him; this is because there afflicts them not thirst or fatigue or hunger in Allah's way, nor do they tread a path which enrages the unbelievers, nor do they attain from the enemy what they attain, but a good work is written down to them on account of it; surely Allah does not waste the reward of the doers of good;
[9.121] Nor do they spend anything that may be spent, small or great, nor do they traverse a valley, but it is written down to their credit, that Allah may reward them with the best of what they have done.
[9.122] And it does not beseem the believers that they should go forth all together; why should not then a company from every party from among them go forth that they may apply themselves to obtain understanding in religion, and that they may warn their people when they come back to them that they may be cautious?
[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
[9.124] And whenever a chapter is revealed, there are some of them who say: Which of you has it strengthened in faith? Then as for those who believe, it strengthens them in faith and they rejoice.
[9.125] And as for those in whose hearts is a disease, it adds uncleanness to their uncleanness and they die while they are unbelievers.
[9.126] Do they not see that they are tried once or twice in every year, yet they do not turn (to Allah) nor do they mind.
[9.127] And whenever a chapter is revealed, they cast glances at one another: Does any one see you? Then they turn away: Allah has turned away their hearts because they are a people who do not understand.
[9.128] Certainly an Apostle has come to you from among yourselves; grievous to him is your falling into distress, excessively solicitous respecting you; to the believers (he is) compassionate,
[9.129] But if they turn back, say: Allah is sufficient for me, there is no god but He; on Him do I rely, and He is the Lord of mighty power.

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Op dinsdag 20 november 2018 15:50 schreef Kapitein_Scheurbuik het volgende:

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Dat zeg ik niet bij bijbelteksten omdat we voor zover ik weet niet te maken hebben met iedere week een aanval van een christen op een willekeurige voorbijganger geïnspireerd op de bijbel. Als we 3 keer per week lezen dat een christen willekeurige mensen aanvalt en zich daarbij liet inspireren door de bijbel mag je dit argument weer afstoffen.

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Ik beweer helemaal niet hoe er geïnterpreteerd moet worden, ik geef slechts aan wat er staat en hoe dat door een aanzienlijk deel van de moslims geinterpreteerd wordt, getuige de vele aanslagen van moslims op ongelovigen.

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Op dinsdag 20 november 2018 15:58 schreef Kapitein_Scheurbuik het volgende:

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Nou, welk stukje had ik bij deze 2 specifieke verzen er nog bij moeten zetten? Post het maar in plaats van je loze kreten.

Graag boter bij de vis.

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Ik help je even, hier is de volledige soera:

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Geef maar even aan wat een andere blik op de tekst geeft.

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Op dinsdag 20 november 2018 15:57 schreef Kapitein_Scheurbuik het volgende:

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Nou, dan zijn we het dus eens. De oorzaak ligt in de islam.

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Op dinsdag 20 november 2018 16:03 schreef probeer het volgende:

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Kony is anders toch al een poosje aardig bezig. Er staan ook al sinds jaar en dag vermeende christenen naast begrafenissen van soldaten te roepen dat ze naar de hel gaan omdat homofilie bestaat.

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Maar raar genoeg kunnen we daar allemaal wel direct zien dat dat gewelddadige / zieke gedrag niet voortkomt uit 'het christendom' maar vanuit een hele verdraaide en misvormde interpretatie van het christendom.

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Maar omdat het een nog veel groter deel van de moslims wél lukt om de islam zodanig te interpreteren zonder dat dit tot terrorisme leidt, is niet 'de islam' de schuldige, maar een hele verdraaide en misvormde interpretatie van de islam.

Is echt allemaal niet zo moeilijk hoor. Je zou toch denken dat er ergens in die 3 uur hoorcollege wel genoemd is dat er best veel stromingen binnen de islam zitten.

En zelfs dan is er nog zoiets als individuele verantwoordelijkheid en aansprakelijkheid.

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Op dinsdag 20 november 2018 16:04 schreef Cause_Mayhem het volgende:

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Niet alleen plaatsen, ook lezen... Dan heb je je antwoord al.

Jij leest er dood willekeurige ongelovigen in, een ander leest vecht enkel tegen degene die jou bevechten. Weer een ander leest geen genade, degene daartegenover leest toon genade, zelfs als ze je bevochten hebben.

Je ziet wat je wil zien. Waar het hart vol van is...

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Op dinsdag 20 november 2018 16:07 schreef Kapitein_Scheurbuik het volgende:

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Wat heeft een warlord uit centraal Afrika te maken met de situatie in Europa? Dat je voor een voorbeeld terug moet vallen op Kony geeft toch al aan dat hij de uitzondering is die de regel bevestigd terwijl we minstens 3 aanvallen per week van moslims IN EUROPA hebben.

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tja, het zou zomaar iets met de schaal te maken kunnen hebben.1 warlord versus duizenden radicale moslims....

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Ja hoor.net zoals er van ieder ander geloof vele stromingen zijn. Vreemd genoeg leidt dat alleen binnen de islam tot vele doden per jaar.

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Op dinsdag 20 november 2018 16:11 schreef probeer het volgende:

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Is niet vreemd. De islam kent helaas aardig wat extremistische / radicale groeperingen en stromingen, met ditto radicale interpretaties.

Maar dat betekent niet dat dus de hele islam extremistisch is.

Basisniveau causaliteit dit hoor.

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Op dinsdag 20 november 2018 16:12 schreef Kapitein_Scheurbuik het volgende:

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Dat zegt dan ook niemand. Basisniveau begrijpend lezen.

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Op dinsdag 20 november 2018 16:14 schreef probeer het volgende:

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Jij loopt hier anders toch echt al het hele topic te roepen dat 'de islam' de schuldige is. Waar anderen keer op keer blijven herhalen dat het niet 'de islam' is, maar 'een extremistische interpretatie van de islam'.

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Op dinsdag 20 november 2018 16:11 schreef probeer het volgende:

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Hij baseert veel van zijn shit op een eigen interpretatie van de 10 geboden. Het is ons echter allemaal meteen duidelijk dat het dus aan zijn interpretatie ligt, en niet aan de 10 geboden.

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Dat wil uiteraard niet zeggen dat iedere interpretatie extremistisch is.

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Op dinsdag 20 november 2018 16:21 schreef Kapitein_Scheurbuik het volgende:

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De oorzaak ligt inderdaad in de islam. Of is de extremistische interpretatie van de islam geen islam?

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hoe graag jullie wegkijkers ook zouden willen dat dat geen islam is.

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Op dinsdag 20 november 2018 15:50 schreef Kapitein_Scheurbuik het volgende:

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Dat zeg ik niet bij bijbelteksten omdat we voor zover ik weet niet te maken hebben met iedere week een aanval van een christen op een willekeurige voorbijganger geïnspireerd op de bijbel. Als we 3 keer per week lezen dat een christen willekeurige mensen aanvalt en zich daarbij liet inspireren door de bijbel mag je dit argument weer afstoffen.

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Ik beweer helemaal niet hoe er geïnterpreteerd moet worden, ik geef slechts aan wat er staat en hoe dat door een aanzienlijk deel van de moslims geinterpreteerd wordt, getuige de vele aanslagen van moslims op ongelovigen.

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Op dinsdag 20 november 2018 16:36 schreef Xa1pt het volgende:

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Dan laat je de manier waarop je de koran interpreteert dus afhangen van terroristen? Hun lezing is volgens jou de juiste? Dat is een ietwat rare logica.

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Dat doe je wel. Er leven miljoenen moslims en er zijn miljoenen interpretaties. Van de moslims die geweld gebruiken zeg je tegen anderen: "ja, terroristen lezen dat in de koran dus die interpretatie klopt".

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Op dinsdag 20 november 2018 16:36 schreef Xa1pt het volgende:

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Dan laat je de manier waarop je de koran interpreteert dus afhangen van terroristen? Hun lezing is volgens jou de juiste? Dat is een ietwat rare logica.

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Dat doe je wel. Er leven miljoenen moslims en er zijn miljoenen interpretaties. Van de moslims die geweld gebruiken zeg je tegen anderen: "ja, terroristen lezen dat in de koran dus die interpretatie klopt".

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Op dinsdag 20 november 2018 16:30 schreef probeer het volgende:
Sorry dat ik de volgorde van je post omdraai, maar volgens mij is dit net het moment waarop we het met elkaar eens zijn en deze discussie eigenlijk alleen maar gelegen heeft aan onze verwoording.

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Fijn (en mijns inziens ook erg belangrijk) dat je dit erkent.

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Dat is absoluut een deel van de islam.

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Zo voel of ervaar ik dat niet.

Waarom ik zo hamer op dat 'extremistische interpretatie van de islam' vs 'de islam', is omdat het 1e een stuk specifiekere oorzaak van het probleem terrorisme is. Waarom dan nog over 'de islam' als oorzaak spreken, als we allemaal weten dat je dan ook praat over vele stromingen en aanhangers die niets met extremisme of terrorisme hebben? Want dat we onze peilen moeten richten op 'extremistische stromingen van de islam die vaak aanzet geven tot terrorisme' is iets waar volgens mij vrijwel iedereen, links en rechts, het over eens is. Van mij mogen extremistische haat-moskeeën vandaag nog dicht. Maar geen haar op mijn hoofd die er aan denkt om daar ook de moskeeën die daar niets mee te maken hebben op aan te kijken.

Bij dat hele metoo gebeuren zijn de schuldigen toch ook niet 'mensen', maar specificeren we dat correct naar 'mensen die niet ongevraagd van andere mensen af kunnen blijven'?

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Op dinsdag 20 november 2018 17:01 schreef Kapitein_Scheurbuik het volgende:

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Ik laat me helemaal niet uit over wat een juiste of onjuiste interpretatie is. Ik constateer slechts dat er een aanzienlijke groep moslims is die het geloof gewelddadig interpreteert. De feiten uit de afgelopen jaren zijn het bewijs voor die stelling.

Verder constateer ik dat er in de koran en aanverwante geschriften letterlijk opgeroepen wordt tot geweld. Dat verzin ik niet, dat interpreteer ik niet, dat staat er gewoon en de voorbeelden heb ik gewoon gepost.

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Op dinsdag 20 november 2018 17:22 schreef Kapitein_Scheurbuik het volgende:

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Waarom dan toch over de islam hebben? Omdat het toch over de islam gaat? Iedereen begrijpt toch dat niet iedere moslim met zijn kromzwaard door de straten trekt op zoek naar ongelovigen? Maar dat neemt niet weg dat er wel degelijk een aantal zeer problematische elementen in de islam zit die er bij sommigen toe leidt dat zij geweld gebruiken.

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Op dinsdag 20 november 2018 18:15 schreef Xa1pt het volgende:

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Dat 'het er gewoon staat' lijkt er anders wel verdomd veel op dat je het een begrijpelijke interpretatie vindt die sense maakt.

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Op dinsdag 20 november 2018 18:29 schreef probeer het volgende:

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Oprecht fijn dat jij (en de meesten) dat onderscheid wel kunnen maken, maar jij en ik weten net zo goed dat er genoeg mensen (ook hier) rondlopen die dat onderscheid niet (meer) maken en 'de islam' als één geheel zien waarbij elke moslim verantwoordelijk is voor elkaars acties.

Om het dan dus over 'de islam' te hebben, ipv over 'de extremistische stromingen binnen de islam' sterkt die mensen in hun onjuiste perspectief.

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Op dinsdag 20 november 2018 19:39 schreef Kapitein_Scheurbuik het volgende:

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Nou, misschien is dat zo, maar je kunt lastig van iedereen verwachten dat ze alle stromingen kennen en weet hoe de onderlinge verhoudingen liggen.

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En ik denk dat die mensen niet gesterkt worden in hun perspectief doordat er over "islam" gesproken wordt maar vooral doordat er inmiddels iedere week een aanval plaatsvindt.

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Het perspectief op de islam daar zouden moslims hun radicale geloofsbroeders op aan moeten spreken ...

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... en niet de argeloze burger die geconfronteerd wordt met een geweldsgolf uit islamitische hoek.

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Verder is het argument "het is maar een bepaalde stroming" in bepaalde, voornamelijk linkse, kringen vooral een excuus om het probleem te ontkennen of te bagatelliseren máár vooral niet aan te pakken.

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Op dinsdag 20 november 2018 19:33 schreef Kapitein_Scheurbuik het volgende:

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Nou ja, persoonlijk kan ik er niet veel anders van maken als dat er letterlijk staat. Maar wat mijn interpretatie is is onbelangrijk. Waar het om gaat is dat er een aanzienlijke groep mensen is die het op een wijze interpreteert waardoor zij er een aansporing tot of rechtvaardiging van geweld in zien. Ik begrijp eerlijk gezegd niet waarom je dat nog probeert te bestrijden. Jihadisten zeggen het zelf nota bene, en dan kom jij hier beweren dat het niet waar is....

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Op dinsdag 20 november 2018 20:22 schreef Xa1pt het volgende:

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Dat mensen dat zo interpreteren is een feit inderdaad. Maar dat het logisch of begrijpelijk is omdat dat nu eenmaal zo in de koran staat vind ik wel een vreemde opvatting. Het is niet de tekst zelf die extremisme veroorzaakt, dat zijn alle factoren daarbuiten.