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Antifa zijn extremistische idioten, maar is dit verstandige taal na al die schietpartijen in de VS die juist door extreem-rechtsen zijn uitgevoerd?
Je kunt veel van Trump vinden, maar "verstandige taal" is nou niet bepaald het eerste dat bij me opkomt.
Volkorenbrood: "Geen quotes meer in jullie sigs gaarne."
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Kunnen jullie niet een subforum maken TRP, waar jullie de liefde voor de grote leider aan elkaar kunnen delen?
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0s.gif Op zondag 4 november 2018 22:27 schreef thesiren.nl het volgende:
Kunnen jullie niet een subforum maken TRP, waar jullie de liefde voor de grote leider aan elkaar kunnen delen?
*O*
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Wat ik niet snap is dat de Democrats Trump de kans geven om het onderwerp migratie volledig naar zich toe te trekken. Het is vrij gemakkelijk om Trump in de wielen te rijden door een beter migratiebeleid voor te stellen, maar dat doen ze niet. Ze scharen zich achter illegalen in caravans.
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Afgezien van dat het echte foto's waren, ja. Er waren ook wel andere tellingen zoals metro-gebruik bijvoorbeeld trouwens.
Echte foto's, volgens CNN. :') _O-
  zondag 4 november 2018 @ 22:30:53 #131
480574 Smegma.
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Wat ik niet snap is dat de Democrats Trump de kans geven om het onderwerp migratie volledig naar zich toe te trekken. Het is vrij gemakkelijk om Trump in de wielen te rijden door een beter migratiebeleid voor te stellen, maar dat doen ze niet. Ze scharen zich achter illegalen in caravans.
Trump zei zojuist zelf al dat hij het best vind als die migranten komen, zolang het maar legaal gebeurt. Democrats blijven zichzelf in de voeten schieten.
  zondag 4 november 2018 @ 22:32:24 #132
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Wat ik niet snap is dat de Democrats Trump de kans geven om het onderwerp migratie volledig naar zich toe te trekken. Het is vrij gemakkelijk om Trump in de wielen te rijden door een beter migratiebeleid voor te stellen, maar dat doen ze niet. Ze scharen zich achter illegalen in caravans.
Het zijn geen illegalen, ze zijn nog niet eens in de VS. Het is een totaal non-issue dat een paar duizend man naar de VS wandelt en daar asiel zal aanvragen over een paar maanden.

Wat ik niet snap is dat jullie in die retoriek trappen. Dingen als gezondheidszorg, economie en eigenlijk letterlijk al het andere wat er toe doet is belangrijker dan dat.
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Echte foto's, volgens CNN. :') _O-
Het waren inderdaad echte foto's, maar die waren genomen voor de inauguration speech toen het publiek nog langzaam binnenstroomde. Het was niet zo'n groot publiek als bij Obama (althans niet in person, wel als je alle live streams e.d. mee telt).
  zondag 4 november 2018 @ 22:32:46 #134
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Echte foto's, volgens CNN. :') _O-
Volgens de overheidsafdeling die de foto's maakt.
  zondag 4 november 2018 @ 22:34:33 #135
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Het waren inderdaad echte foto's, maar die waren genomen voor de inauguration speech toen het publiek nog langzaam binnenstroomde. Het was niet zo'n groot publiek als bij Obama (althans niet in person, wel als je alle live streams e.d. mee telt).
Het tijdstip was ook gelijk. Althans, als we het hebben over de roemruchte "naast-elkaar-foto" en ik het me goed herinner. Er was wat onenigheid/onduidelijkheid over omdat een screenshot vanuit een andere tijdzone gebruikt werd in de discussie.
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Hoe bizar is het belangenconflict van Republikeinse kandidaat Kemp in Georgia. Waarom horen we daar niets over van de GOP en Trump? Dit kun je toch als landelijke partij niet gedogen lijkt me?

Zelf toezichthouder zijn op een verkiezing waar je kandidaat bent en ook nog eens 2 dagen voor de verkiezingen een onderzoek instellen naar je tegenkandidaat omdat ze gehackt zouden hebben. Ik geloof er geen barst van en is echt niveau bananenrepubliek. In Rusland klagen ze tegenstanders toch ook aan met verzonnen misdaden?

https://www.foxnews.com/p(...)mps-office-announces
  zondag 4 november 2018 @ 22:56:50 #137
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Wat ik ook gek vind aan het verhaal is dat secretary of state heel geen onderzoek doet voor zover ik weet. Hij kan wel vragen aan een collega bij de DOJ van Georgia om onderzoek te laten doen ofzo.
  zondag 4 november 2018 @ 22:58:20 #138
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Ah, kennelijk mogen governors gewoon de grondwet naast zich neer leggen. :') Op zich ooit wel een populair standpunt in het zuiden. Hoeveel leugens zou hij vandaag vertellen?

maggieNYT twitterde op zondag 04-11-2018 om 22:37:51 Trump says if “Abrams gets in, your second amendment” is gone. reageer retweet


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  zondag 4 november 2018 @ 23:04:42 #139
480574 Smegma.
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"Iran were looking for the mediterranean." serieus, Trump?
  zondag 4 november 2018 @ 23:17:46 #140
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Ah, democraten lichtten Kemp in dat er serieuze beveiligingsissues waren, waarop Kemp daar niks aan deed, maar de democraten liet onderzoeken. Wat een fijne integere man. Van de site die oorspronkelijk met het verhaal kwam:

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KEMP’S AGGRESSIVE GAMBIT TO DISTRACT FROM ELECTION SECURITY CRISIS
Georgia Announces Hacking Investigation Into Democrats, but What Really Happened?

When Georgia Democrats were alerted to what they believe to be major vulnerabilities in the state’s voter registration system Saturday, they contacted computer security experts who verified the problems. They then notified Secretary of State Brian Kemp’s lawyers and national intelligence officials in the hope of getting the problems fixed.

Instead of addressing the security issues, Kemp’s office put out a statement Sunday saying he had opened an investigation that targets the Democrats for hacking.

Kemp’s statement has become top news nationwide, but the context and background have yet to be reported — so we are providing it below.

The Backstory and Detail
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By the time Democrats reached out to the experts, Kemp’s office and the Federal Bureau of Investigation had already been alerted to the problem on Saturday morning by David Cross of the Morrison Foerster law firm. Cross is an attorney for one of the plaintiffs in a lawsuit against Kemp and other elections officials concerning cyber weaknesses in Georgia’s election system.

A man who claims to be a Georgia resident said he stumbled upon files in his My Voter Page on the secretary of state’s website. He realized the files were accessible. That man then reached out to one of Cross’s clients, who then put the source and Cross in touch on Friday.

The next morning, Cross called John Salter, a lawyer who represents Kemp and the secretary of state’s office. Cross also notified the FBI.

WhoWhatWhy, which exclusively reported on these vulnerabilities Sunday morning, had consulted with five computer security experts on Saturday to verify the seriousness of the situation. They confirmed that these security gaps would allow even a low-skilled hacker to compromise Georgia’s voter registration system and, in turn, the election itself. It is not known how long these vulnerabilities have existed or whether they have been exploited.

Just before noon on Saturday, a third party provided WhoWhatWhy with an email and document sent from the Democratic Party of Georgia to election security experts that highlighted these potential vulnerabilities within the state’s My Voter Page and online voter registration system.

According to the document, it would not be difficult for almost anyone with minimal computer expertise to access millions of voters’ private information and potentially make changes to their registrations — including canceling them.

In this election and during the primaries, voters have reported not showing up in the poll books, being assigned to the wrong precinct, and being issued the wrong ballot.

All of that could be explained by a bad actor changing voter registration data.

In the email that sparked this controversy, Sara Tindall Ghazal, the voter protection director for the Democratic Party of Georgia, alerted two computer experts of a potential problem that she said might constitute a “massive vulnerability.” WhoWhatWhy is not publishing the document describing the problem, as it provides a roadmap to exploiting the security weaknesses.



None of the cyber security experts WhoWhatWhy then contacted tested the vulnerabilities described, downloaded any files, altered any data, or searched the My Voter Page by altering the website address.

All five noted that testing these vulnerabilities without permission would be illegal.

Instead, several logged onto the My Voter Page to look at the code used to build the site — something any Georgian voter could do with a little instruction — and confirmed the voter registration system’s vulnerabilities.

They then alerted a national intelligence agency and reached out to the Coalition for Good Governance, an election security advocacy group that has sued Georgia multiple times over the vulnerability of its systems.

Bruce Brown, a lawyer for the group, then reached out to Kemp’s attorneys to alert them of the problem. At 7:03 PM Saturday night, he emailed John Salter and Roy Barnes, former governor of Georgia, in their capacities as counsel to Secretary of State Kemp, to notify them of the serious potential cyber vulnerability in the registration files that had been discovered without any hacking at all, and that national intelligence officials had already been notified.

WhoWhatWhy published its first story on the subject shortly after 6:00 AM Sunday morning.

Instead of addressing the problem, however, Kemp put out the statement an hour later saying his office has launched a hacking investigation.

“While we cannot comment on the specifics of an ongoing investigation, I can confirm that the Democratic Party of Georgia is under investigation for possible cyber crimes,” press secretary Candice Broce stated. “We can also confirm that no personal data was breached and our system remains secure.”

Kemp’s office is being disingenuous, Brown asserted.

“We have seen, unfortunately, that we were too correct in our allegations and Judge [Amy] Totenberg was too prescient in her concerns about the system,” Brown said. “That Kemp would turn this around and blame other people for his failures is reflective of his complete failure as Secretary of State.”

Judge Totenberg had recently ruled that there was not enough time for Georgia to switch to paper ballots — widely seen as a more secure voting method — but expressed grave concerns over the security of the state’s elections.

“What is particularly outrageous about this, is that I gave this information in confidence to Kemp’s lawyers so that something could be done about it without exposing the vulnerability to the public,” Brown told WhoWhatWhy. “Putting his own political agenda over the security of the election, Kemp is ignoring his responsibility to the people of Georgia.”

It is not clear what impact — if any — the vulnerabilities identified will have on Tuesday’s elections, or how they might have affected early voting. Voters should still go to the polls and, if they are encountering problems, ask to cast a provisional ballot as is their right.

The computer security experts with whom WhoWhatWhy spoke were all baffled by what they found when they reviewed the problem.

“For such an easy and low hanging vulnerability to exist, it gives me zero confidence in the capabilities of the system administrator, software developer, and the data custodian,” Kris Constable, who runs a privacy law and data security consulting firm, told WhoWhatWhy. “They should not be trusted with personally identifiable information again. They have shown incompetence in proper privacy-protecting data custodian capabilities.”

As Secretary of State, Kemp is the data custodian, meaning he is responsible for the security of voter information. The system administrator works for Kemp and the software developer is a private contractor hired by Kemp’s office.

Kemp is also the Republican candidate for governor in Tuesday’s election, where he is locked in a close race with Democrat Stacey Abrams.

The first vulnerability identified in the email is on the My Voter Page, where voters can check their registration, the status of their mail-in or provisional ballots, or change their voter information. After following a commonly used link, one arrives at a page that is not secure. To view any file on the server that runs the My Voter Page nothing more is needed than typing any file name into the web browser, the experts said.

In addition to documents, files include things like network configuration files, cryptographic keys, and possibly even code that could be used to break into the server.

Because it would be illegal to explore what is available on the site, the extent of the vulnerability is still not known.

“Holy shit,” Duncan Buell told WhoWhatWhy when he logged onto the website. “Presumably, you could just hit the backspace button on the file, put in a new file name, and it would let you download that.”

Even if someone didn’t know the name of the document they were trying to access, they could instead find it by writing a code to probe the My Voter Page, said Buell, a computer science professor at the University of South Carolina and elections and voting technology expert.

The second vulnerability described in the email is found in the state’s online voter registration system.

In the code of the website — which anybody can access using their internet browser — there is a series of numbers that represent voters in a county. By changing a number in the web browser’s interface and then changing the county, it appears that anybody could download every single Georgia voter’s personally identifiable information and possibly modify voter data en masse.

In addition, voter history, absentee voting, and early voting data are all public record on the secretary of state’s website. If a bad actor wanted to target a certain voting group, all of the information needed is available for download.

“It’s so juvenile from an information security perspective that it’s crazy this is part of a live system,” Constable said.

What’s more, there don’t seem to be any security measures that could detect these changes or trace them back to a source, according to several of the experts.

Worse yet, a bad actor could easily pretend to be someone else, according to Constable. “In theory you could copy and paste that session ID or cookie — that unique string — and put it in your browser to emulate that person,” Constable said. “So not only could you access that person’s information and act as that person, you could then make changes under that person’s identity.”

Changes to voter registration information could create chaos on Election Day: long lines to vote, voters going to the wrong precinct, voters being given the wrong ballot, or not showing up on the polls at all.

Georgia may not be alone. These security flaws may well exist in other states.

A Connecticut-based private contractor, PCC Technologies Inc., has contracts to manage voter registration systems for Georgia and 14 other states. PCC also runs online voter registration for six of them, including Georgia. If these vulnerabilities exist in Georgia, they could also be present in other states where PCC operates.

Matt Bernhard, a Ph.D. student in computer science at the University of Michigan focusing on voting technology, found that personally identifiable information could also be accessed through North Carolina’s voter page, which PCC also manages.

As Georgia’s system has not been audited — if it had, these problems would have been found and fixed, presumably — there are likely other vulnerabilities that could impact the midterm election, according to Constable.

PCC also runs the ElectioNet system, which is used by every county in Georgia to manage the state’s voter rolls. If voter registration data was changed, it would show up in the ElectioNet system. In a declaration as part of a recent lawsuit against the state, Colin McRae, chair of the Chatham County Board of Registrars, disclosed that the ElectioNet system is also responsible for populating the data in the pollbooks of every state.

The pollbooks are used to encode the voters’ yellow access cards on Election Day. Those cards have voters’ ballot style numbers, which are then brought up by the voting machine. The connection between ElectioNet and the pollbooks draws a straight line between how security gaps on the My Voter Page and voter registration site could impact the election, including giving voters the wrong ballots or removing them from the rolls.



If the assessment of these vulnerabilities is accurate, it would be the fourth time in as many years that the private information of every voter in Georgia, as well as other information related to voting, has been exposed.

In 2015, an employee at the secretary of state’s office sent out personally identifiable information to 12 news media and political party organizations.

At the time, Kemp said that “all 12 discs have been recovered or confirmed they were destroyed by the recipients. I am confident that all voter information is secure and safe.”

The press release also said that Kemp was “in the process of engaging Ernst & Young, a top professional services firm with specialization in IT security, to conduct a thorough, top to bottom review of our IT policies and procedures.”

In August, 2016, computer researcher Logan Lamb, formerly of Oak Ridge National Laboratory, was able to access Georgia’s entire voter registration database, including all personally identifiable information. The system was not password protected and was vulnerable to being rewritten. He notified the state of the problem.

Then in February, 2017, Christopher Grayson — a Los Angeles-based security engineer — and Lamb found that the problem had not been fixed and that the same information was still unprotected.

The Coalition for Good Governance sued Kemp in July of 2017 in an attempt to replace the electronic voting system with paper ballots and to secure the electronic poll books, citing the previous security breaches.

Kemp is also the Republican candidate for governor, running against Democrat Stacey Abrams. Kemp has ignored calls to step down as secretary of state — most recently by former President Jimmy Carter — opting instead to both run the election and be a participant.

In a statement made to NPR’s Atlanta affiliate WABE in July of this year, a spokesperson for the secretary of state said, “There has never been a breach in the Secretary of State’s office. We have never been hacked, and according to President Trump and the Department Of Homeland Security, we have never been targeted. Georgia has secure, accessible, and fair elections because Kemp has leveraged private sector solutions for robust cyber security, well before any of those options were offered by the federal government.”

According to three experts who reviewed the security features of the My Voter Page and voter registration website — not just its vulnerabilities — Kemp would have no way of knowing if the site had ever been hacked or by whom. PCC, the private-sector company responsible for managing Georgia’s voter registration and online voter registration systems, seems to be at fault for the poorly designed site.

“Not only could anybody in the world access it, but there’s not even any indication that there are protections built in to detect an intrusion, otherwise this would have been discovered and corrected already,” Constable said.

Harri Hursti, a world-renowned data security expert who has studied election cybersecurity in five countries, including the US, is familiar with a different weakness in Georgia’s voting infrastructure. In a series of tests that became known as the “Hursti Hacks,” the researcher hacked the Diebold voting system — the same type of voting machines used in Georgia.

But even he was stunned by the vulnerabilities in Georgia’s My Voter Page and voter registration system.

“This is the equivalent of having the bank safe door open,” Hursti said. “And while it’s open, you have the bank safe code posted on the door. People who have built this have no idea what they’re doing.”
  zondag 4 november 2018 @ 23:19:03 #141
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U.S. militia groups head to border, stirred by Trump’s call to arms

FALFURRIAS, Tex. — Gun-carrying civilian groups and border vigilantes have heard a call to arms in President Trump’s warnings about threats to American security posed by caravans of Central American migrants moving through Mexico. They’re packing coolers and tents, oiling rifles and tuning up aerial drones, with plans to form caravans of their own and trail American troops to the border.

“We’ll observe and report, and offer aid in any way we can,” said Shannon McGauley, a bail bondsman in the Dallas suburbs who is president of the Texas Minutemen. McGauley said he was preparing to head for the Rio Grande in coming days.

“We’ve proved ourselves before, and we’ll prove ourselves again,” he said.

McGauley and others have been roused by the president’s call to restore order and defend the country against what Trump has called “an invasion,” as thousands of Central American migrants advance slowly through southern Mexico toward the U.S. border. Trump has insisted that “unknown Middle Easterners,” “very tough fighters,” and large numbers of violent criminals are traveling among the women, children and families heading north on foot.

The Texas Minutemen, according to McGauley, have 100 volunteers en route to the Rio Grande who want to help stop the migrants, with more likely on the way.

“I can’t put a number on it,” McGauley said. “My phone’s been ringing nonstop for the last seven days. You got other militias, and husbands and wives, people coming from Oregon, Indiana. We’ve even got two from Canada.”

Asked whether his group planned to deploy with weapons, McGauley laughed. “This is Texas, man,” he said.

And yet, the prospect of armed vigilantes showing up beside thousands of U.S. troops — along with Border Patrol agents, police officers and migrants — is considered serious enough that military planners have issued warnings to Army commanders.

According to military planning documents obtained by Newsweek, the military is concerned about the arrival of “unregulated militia members self-deploying to the border in alleged support” of U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

The assessment estimates that 200 militia members could show up. “They operate under the guise of citizen patrols,” the report said, while warning of “incidents of unregulated militias stealing National Guard equipment during deployments.”

The military report provided no further details about the alleged thefts.
https://www.washingtonpos(...)lert-national&wpmk=1

They told me all of my cages were mental, so I got wasted like all my potential.
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maggieNYT twitterde op zondag 04-11-2018 om 22:42:41 Trump: “Oprah’s been down to Mar-a-Lago,” then claims he was on her last week of shows (he wasn’t), then insinuates they’re”trying to burn the tape.” (Which explains why the tape of the show he wasn’t on doesn’t exist!) reageer retweet
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Mijn god...U.S. become a shit hole country...not in Africa, and just around the corner -O-
  Moderator / Redactie FP + Sport zondag 4 november 2018 @ 23:45:40 #144
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maggieNYT twitterde op zondag 04-11-2018 om 22:42:41 Trump: “Oprah’s been down to Mar-a-Lago,” then claims he was on her last week of shows (he wasn’t), then insinuates they’re”trying to burn the tape.” (Which explains why the tape of the show he wasn’t on doesn’t exist!) reageer retweet
Het fakenews neemt echt steeds absurdere proporties aan.
Trots daw veur Twente bint!
We zijn gehaat en asociaal
We zijn de allermooiste club van allemaal
  maandag 5 november 2018 @ 00:07:44 #145
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Kon het niet echt vinden, dus heb het zelf maar opgezocht voorafgaande aan de verkiezingen. Dit betreft federale Senaat + Huis + staatshuizen en -senaten. Kan wel best nog wat mis zijn in mn gegevens, maar vooruit:

Aantallen zetels na de laatste algemene verkiezingen(meestal 2016, soms 2017)
Republikeinen: 4419
Democraten: 3464
Republikeinen die caucussen met democraten: 3
Democraten die caucussen met republikeinen: 3
Independents die caucussen met republikeinen: 2
Independents die caucussen met democraten: 19
Independents waar het me niet duidelijk was: 7
Libertarian party: 1
Progressive party: 9

Huidig aantal zetels
Republikeinen: 4347
Democraten: 3459
Republikeinen die caucussen met democraten: 4
Democraten die caucussen met republikeinen: 3
Independents die caucussen met republikeinen: 2
Independents die caucussen met democraten: 12
Independents waar het me niet duidelijk was: 16
Green party: 1
Libertarian party: 4
Progressive party: 9

Zetels die bij de komende midterms verkiesbaar zijn (als ik fouten heb gemaakt is de kans hier wel het grootst btw)
Republikeinen: 3841
Democraten: 3088
Republikeinen die caucussen met democraten: 4
Democraten die caucussen met republikeinen: 2
Independents die caucussen met republikeinen: 2
Independents die caucussen met democraten: 12
Independents waar het me niet duidelijk was: 15
Green party: 1
Libertarian party: 4
Progressive party: 9
Vacante zetels: 51

Ja, dit was best een takke-karwei. Overigens zou het misschien beter zijn om het relatief ten opzichte van de betreffende lichamen uit te drukken; zo heeft New Hampshire een bizar groot Huis van Afgevaardigden, wat daarmee een relatief groot stempel drukt ten opzichte van de hoeveelheid macht.
  maandag 5 november 2018 @ 00:07:45 #146
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They told me all of my cages were mental, so I got wasted like all my potential.
  maandag 5 november 2018 @ 00:24:57 #147
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Mooie visualisatie van de historie van de (bespottelijke) "jobs not mobs" slogan: https://www.nytimes.com/i(...)y/jobs-not-mobs.html
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Daar is die alweer :7

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Mooie visualisatie van de historie van de (bespottelijke) "jobs not mobs" slogan: https://www.nytimes.com/i(...)y/jobs-not-mobs.html
Interessant hoe dat als een lopend vuurtje gaat.
Het is ook wel een mega slogan natuurlijk.
  maandag 5 november 2018 @ 00:50:54 #149
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Het is ook wel een mega slogan natuurlijk.
Het is vooral, zoals met alles van deze kamper en het huidige rechtse establishment in de VS, gewoon leugenachtig.

Antifa is antifa, democraten zijn niet antifa, hoewel een deel van hen wel democratisch zou stemmen. Omgekeerd kun je bijvoorbeeld ook niet stellen dat elke republikeinse kiezer een nazi is, hoewel de kans dat een nazi republikeins stemt best wel aanwezig is onder het huidige regime en je wel die gedachte zou krijgen met de laatste door Trump gepushte spotjes.

De laatste keer dat een politieke partij een daadwerkelijke "mob" verzamelde, was in Florida, in 2000. Dat waren, uiteraard, de republikeinen.

Hundreds of paid GOP operatives descended upon South Florida to protest the state's recounts,[1] with at least half a dozen of the demonstrators at Miami-Dade paid by George W. Bush's recount committee.[2] Several of these protesters were identified as Republican staffers and a number later went on to jobs in the Bush administration.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Brothers_riot
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Daar is die alweer :7

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Weer een rally, lijkt haast een remake van "Der Führer über Deutschland" in 1932, toen Dolf in 6 dagen rallies in 20 steden toesprak.
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