Britse politiek #29 - Exit Davis en Johnson

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Op woensdag 11 juli 2018 13:55 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:

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Het antwoord van de brexiteers op dat soort berichten is altijd dat het slechts bangmakerij is.

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And that's not even the worst-case scenario.
A shortage of food, petrol and medicine would grip the UK within weeks of the UK leaving the EU without a deal, according to secret warnings drawn up in Whitehall.

According to the Sunday Times, civil servants have put together three scenarios for a ‘no deal’ Brexit – mild, severe and ‘armageddon’

Worryingly, the warnings over supermarkets running out of food within days and petrol shortages hitting within weeks come from the ‘severe’ model – not the most apocalyptic analysis.

A source told the Sunday Times: “In the second scenario, not even the worst, the port of Dover will collapse on day one.

“The supermarkets in Cornwall and Scotland will run out of food within a couple of days, and hospitals will run out of medicines within two weeks.”

The UK would have to charter aircraft or enlist the military to move supplies to the furthest corners of the country.

The source added: “You would have to medevac medicine into Britain, and at the end of week two we would be running out of petrol as well.”

The warnings – drawn up by officials in the Brexit, health and transport departments – have reportedly been “locked in a safe” ahead of a meeting of a so-called Inter-Ministerial Group on Preparedness.

Ex-Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith said the documents showed senior civil servants were “frozen in the headlights” when it comes to Brexit.

The anti-EU campaigner said: “They should be planning for what happens if there is no deal, not scaring the pants off each other.

“We need people with imagination and courage, not frightened rabbits.”

A spokesperson for the Brexit department said: “These claims are completely false.

“A significant amount of work and decision making has gone into our no deal plans, especially where it relates to ports, and we know that none of this would come to pass.”

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Op woensdag 11 juli 2018 13:59 schreef Black_Baron het volgende:

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Zelfs als de regering er geheime rapporten over op stelt?
No Deal Brexit Could See Food Shortages Within Days, Secret Government Report Warns

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Boris Johnson’s Brexit was never a dream. It was pure fantasy

Reflecting on Boris Johnson’s cabinet resignation letter this week, it was hard not to think also of Peter Ridsdale, the larger-than-life chairman of Leeds United between 1997 and 2003. The free-spending Ridsdale took his football club to the brink of triumph before taking it even faster to the brink of bankruptcy. In 2003, confronted by his critics and the fans, he offered the memorable excuse, which should be carved on his tombstone: “But we lived the dream.”

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Op donderdag 12 juli 2018 08:05 schreef Perrin het volgende:

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The fundamental practical difficulty that all Brexiteers have faced since June 2016 is that dreams of this kind oversimplify a world full of complexity. Brexit was offered as a single liberating proposition, when in fact it involved multi-layered consequences and implications that require negotiation with others. It is hardly surprising that the May cabinet and the wider Tory party have struggled to come up with a defined view of Brexit because, in the end, Brexit isn’t a plan at all. It’s an attitude, not an agenda.

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Op donderdag 12 juli 2018 11:59 schreef Black_Baron het volgende:
John Cleese (pro Brexit) verlaat ook het land in november, hij gaat in de Caribbean wonen.

https://www.standard.co.u(...)ith-uk-a3884261.html

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kitty_donaldson twitterde op donderdag 12-07-2018 om 14:45:54 Meanwhile pro-Brexit Conservative lawmaker Marcus Fysh tells Bloomberg: “This white paper is beyond pathetic -- it’s not even WTO-rule compliant. What a loadof garbage.” reageer retweet

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Brexit twitterde op donderdag 12-07-2018 om 14:39:17 Jacob Rees-Mogg says he won't vote for Theresa May's Brexit plans because they don't respect the wishes of the British people https://t.co/eWKyoDOJTO https://t.co/4JtK2uVHJv reageer retweet

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bordergibraltar twitterde op donderdag 12-07-2018 om 14:42:28 1/6 Don't hold your breath. Here's my review of inclusions referencing Gibraltar (and me, in particular) in the White Paper (and btw, **SPOILERS**, there's as little hope here for @BorderIrish as there is for me...). reageer retweet

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bordergibraltar twitterde op donderdag 12-07-2018 om 14:42:28 2/6 In the Executive Summary:"A principled Brexit means ... ensuring the deal delivers for Crown Dependencies, Gibraltar (et al), noting there'll be no change in their long-standing relationships with the UK." -- means absolutely nothing. Complete obfuscation. reageer retweet

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bordergibraltar twitterde op donderdag 12-07-2018 om 14:42:29 3/6 Paragraph 7.8:"The UK will be seeking specific arrangements for the Crown Dependencies, Gibraltar and the other Overseas Territories." -- means absolutely nothing. No detail whatsoever there. reageer retweet

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bordergibraltar twitterde op donderdag 12-07-2018 om 14:42:29 4/6 Footnote (3) on page 15, for the same Paragraph:"The UK’s overseas territories are …. (long list) Gibraltar … (et al)." -- absolute bloody gibberish! Gibraltar is a *British* Overseas Territory. reageer retweet

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bordergibraltar twitterde op donderdag 12-07-2018 om 14:42:30 5/6 Paragraph 88: "Streamlined arrangements are particularly important at the Gibraltar-Spain border, crossed every day by thousands of people from other Member States."I know that. So *what* are you going to do about preventing utter chaos? reageer retweet

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bordergibraltar twitterde op donderdag 12-07-2018 om 14:42:30 6/6 In conclusion, a White Paper is supposed to inform people concisely about a complex issue and present the issuing body's philosophy on the matter. But when it comes to me and Gib in general, it's 100% clear, @DominicRaab, your @DExEUgov team hasn't got a bloody clue. reageer retweet

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Op donderdag 12 juli 2018 15:37 schreef westwoodblvd het volgende:
Dit voorstel gaat EU nooit accepteren. De Britten zijn nog steeds professioneel ambivalent. Water bij de wijn & knopen doorhakken anders wordt no deal steeds waarschijnlijker.

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Op donderdag 12 juli 2018 15:39 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:

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En nu beginnen ze weer over zaken die al geregeld zijn zoals de betaling van afgesproken bedragen door het VK. Alle-fucking-Machtig, het houd nooit op.

Gewoon stoppen met onderhandelen, 1 April 2019 kan het VK ons laten weten hoe de vlag erbij staat.

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Op donderdag 12 juli 2018 15:40 schreef Black_Baron het volgende:

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Tegen de tijd dat ze honger beginnen te krijgt, praten ze wel anders.

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Op donderdag 12 juli 2018 23:29 schreef Szura het volgende:
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Op donderdag 12 juli 2018 23:31 schreef Black_Baron het volgende:

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https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1017514864930185217?s=21
Trump tells me: "If they do a deal like that, we would be dealing with the European Union instead of dealing with the UK, so it will probably kill the deal".

Ze zitten in de tang.

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Opvallend is echter de harde kritiek van de zo belangrijke Britse bankensector. Die vreest dat het voor de Britse banken, verzekeraars en vermogensbeheerders erg moeilijk zal worden om zaken te doen in de EU. Veel financiële instellingen in de City hebben overigens al aangekondigd dat ze kantoren en personeel gaan overhevelen naar filialen in Amsterdam, Frankfurt of Parijs. Het vertrouwen is daar blijkbaar niet erg groot.

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Op vrijdag 13 juli 2018 00:13 schreef westwoodblvd het volgende:

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Dit is niet meer een mes in iemands rug steken, dit is een hele houwdegen erin douwen.

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Op vrijdag 13 juli 2018 00:54 schreef Szura het volgende:
Weten we trouwens nog hoe tabloid- en Brexiteer-land te klein was toen Obama zei dat die Britten achteraan konden aansluiten? En nu gaat The Sun zélf een buitenlander zich laten mengen in het Brexit-proces .