[AMV] Amerikaanse politiek #506 Splitted GOP - Ineffectual Dems

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Op maandag 21 mei 2018 01:05 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:
Ik vrees dat Mueller's onderzoek niet genoeg zal opleveren. En als de economie blijft draaien zou de GOP de midterms kunnen winnen, en wie weet, Trump zelfs een tweede termijn.
China zal Trump niet stoppen, die kijken met leedvermaak toe hoe de EU worstelt met de sancties en tarieven. De EU, en vooral Duitsland, wil haar economie beschermen, terwijl ze nu net zouden moeten optreden. Veroorzaak een crisis, anders maak je Trump sterker...

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seanmdav twitterde op zondag 20-05-2018 om 23:13:01 I’d be more willing to listen to the “it’s totes okay that Obama spied on Trump” arguments if they weren’t coming from the exact people who just days ago were still claiming Obama never spied on Trump. If it was all kosher, why’d you cover it up and lie about it for two years? reageer retweet

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JuddLegum twitterde op maandag 21-05-2018 om 00:24:46 It’s much easier to understand what Giuliani is doing if you think of him not as Trump’s attorney but as an agent of chaos reageer retweet

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Op maandag 21 mei 2018 01:08 schreef Whiskers2009 het volgende:

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Optreden? In welke zin?
Crisis? In welke zin?

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Op maandag 21 mei 2018 01:11 schreef westwoodblvd het volgende:

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Mueller's onderzoek gaat hopelijk de waarheid opleveren. Dat heeft helemaal niets met de midterms te maken. De Democraten hebben zat andere goede argumenten waarom men op ze zou moeten stemmen.

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Op maandag 21 mei 2018 01:33 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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Optreden tegen de sancties, met overtuigende maatregelen. Ze kunnen niet wachten tot die sancties in november in werking treden, dan hebben alle bedrijven zich al teruggetrokken. Geen diplomatieke taal meer, dreigen met tegensancties.

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Er waren verdomd goede redenen om niet op Trump te stemmen, en niemand dacht dat hij kon winnen, maar hij deed het. Nu kijkt men naar z'n approval rating en denkt men weer hetzelfde. Mij lijkt het verstandiger om in te grijpen. Sancties/tarieven die de rode staten treffen, zodat de GOP/Trump kiezers wat minder positief worden over het gevoerde beleid. Want de Chinezen gaan het misschien niet doen, die zouden kunnen redeneren dat een breuk tussen VS en EU hen op lange termijn meer zal opleveren, en zij kunnen de werkloosheidscijfers in de VS twee jaar laag houden als ze dat willen. Dat kost hen 2% van hun GDP.

Erg onwaarschijnlijk scenario misschien, maar wil iemand dat risico lopen?

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kylegriffin1 twitterde op maandag 21-05-2018 om 03:25:08 Aides are concerned about Trump’s understanding of the details of North Korea’s nuclear program.Ex-aides say Trump has resisted detailed briefings about enrichment capabilities, plutonium reprocessing, nuclear weapons production that Obama and Bush had. https://t.co/jgEN9cUmrD reageer retweet

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President Trump, increasingly concerned that his summit meeting in Singapore next month with North Korea’s leader could turn into a political embarrassment, has begun pressing his aides and allies about whether he should take the risk of proceeding with a historic meeting that he had leapt into accepting, according to administration and foreign officials.

Mr. Trump was both surprised and angered by a statement issued on Wednesday by the North’s chief nuclear negotiator, who declared that the country would never trade away its nuclear weapons capability in exchange for economic aid, administration officials said. The statement, while a highly familiar tactic by the North, represented a jarring shift in tone after weeks of conciliatory gestures.

On Thursday and Friday, Mr. Trump peppered aides with questions about the wisdom of proceeding, and on Saturday night he called President Moon Jae-in of South Korea to ask why the North’s public statement seemed to contradict the private assurances that Mr. Moon had conveyed after he met Kim Jong-un, the 35-year-old dictator of the North, at the Demilitarized Zone in late April.

The president’s conversation with Mr. Moon, which was first reported by The Washington Post, came just three days before the South Korean leader was scheduled to arrive in Washington to meet with Mr. Trump on Tuesday. It was a sign of Mr. Trump’s discomfort, some officials speculated, that he could not wait to discuss the issue until Mr. Moon arrived for his meetings here, though there is no indication that the president is considering pulling out of the North Korea talks.

Mr. Trump’s aides have grown concerned that the president — who has said that “everyone thinks” he deserves a Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts — has signaled that he wants the summit meeting too much. The aides also worry that Mr. Kim, sensing the president’s eagerness, is prepared to offer assurances that will fade over time.

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China is winning Trump’s trade war

It was easy to miss the U.S.-China trade statement that the White House released Saturday, right in the midst of royal wedding mania. But it's hard to hide that China looks as if it's winning President Trump's trade skirmish — so far.

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On Friday, Trump's top economic adviser, Larry Kudlow, was telling reporters that the Chinese had agreed to reduce the deficit by “at least” $200 billion. China quickly denied that, and, a day later, the official statement didn't have a concrete number, a seeming victory for the Chinese.

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The real battle against the Chinese was supposed to be over intellectual property theft, which the Trump administration says has been going on for years and costs the U.S. economy $225 billion to $600 billion a year. Trump was supposed to get the Chinese to stop stealing U.S. business secrets and technology. On this front, the statement was brief and lackluster, saying that both sides agreed to “strengthen cooperation” (diplomatic speak for not doing much) and that China would “advance relevant amendments” to its patent law. It remains to be seen whether that happens (and whether China enforces any new laws).

Reaction to the announcement was mostly negative, even among people who are usually Trump allies. Dan DiMicco, a former steel CEO who has been a big supporter of Trump's steel and aluminum tariffs, tweeted shortly after the statement came out, “Not good enough. Time to take the gloves off.” He followed that up with: “Did [the] president just blink? China and friends appear to be carrying the day.” Fox Business host Lou Dobbs summed up the situation this way: “Chinese say 'no deal.' ”

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) tweeted, “Why do U.S. officials always fall for China trickery?” Wall Street Journal trade reporter Bob Davis tweeted that the big takeaway is: “Trump administration gets rolled by the Chinese.”

Bron: WaPo

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Bernie Sanders’ top operatives formed “Our Revolution” after he lost the 2016 primaries to keep his army organized and motivated — and potentially prepare for another presidential run in 2020.

But an extensive review of the Sanders-inspired group depicts an organization in disarray — operating primarily as a promotional vehicle for its leader and sometimes even snubbing candidates aligned with Sanders. Our Revolution has shown no ability to tip a major Democratic election in its favor — despite possessing Sanders’ email list, the envy of the Democratic Party — and can claim no major wins in 2018 as its own.

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Op maandag 21 mei 2018 13:47 schreef westwoodblvd het volgende:
Trump is op Twitter aan het ranten over China. Hij is zijn "demand" van gisteren alweer vergeten denk ik.

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realDonaldTrump twitterde op maandag 21-05-2018 om 13:40:22 China must continue to be strong & tight on the Border of North Korea until a deal is made. The word is that recently the Border has become much more porous and more has been filtering in. I want this to happen, and North Korea to be VERY successful, but only after signing! reageer retweet

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Op maandag 21 mei 2018 13:48 schreef Euribob het volgende:

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Problemen in Kamp Bernie

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Op maandag 21 mei 2018 13:57 schreef westwoodblvd het volgende:

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Bernie heeft geen best jaar gehad. Zijn belangrijke thema's zijn onderbelicht gebleven. Dingen die wel veel in het nieuws waren, MeToo, het wapendebat, zijn dingen waarin hij niet sterk staat. In de peilingen in New Hampshire is Biden hem ook al voorbij gestreefd.

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Op maandag 21 mei 2018 13:50 schreef xpompompomx het volgende:

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realDonaldTrump twitterde op maandag 21-05-2018 om 13:40:22 China must continue to be strong & tight on the Border of North Korea until a deal is made. The word is that recently the Border has become much more porous and more has been filtering in. I want this to happen, and North Korea to be VERY successful, but only after signing! reageer retweet

Als ik Kim was zou ik het wel weten.

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Thoughts on Moon’s meeting with Trump tomorrow: 1) It increasingly looks like the Moon administration overstated North Korea’s willingness to deal. Moon will probably get an earful over that.

2a) Moon likely exaggerated this to tie Trump to a diplomatic track to prevent him from backsliding into last year’s war-threats which scared the daylights out of South Koreans. If Trump were less vain and had allowed his national security staff to vet the NK offer, he might have

2b) learned this. But instead, he accepted the NK summit offer 45 minutes after he was told of it, without even telling the White House staff, and then drank his own kool-aid watching Fox telling him for weeks that he deserved a Nobel. Now comes the hang-over.

3) Flattering Trump into diplomacy is likely also why Moon’s government credited Trump with driving NK to negotiation through maximum pressure and suggested that Trump receive a Nobel peace prize.

4) It is an open secret in Korea that this was just flattering Trump to prevent him from starting a war. No one actually believes it. My students & colleagues laugh at the suggestion. No one thought the western media wd actually start seriously debating it. Trump is loathed here.

5a) The problem, of course, is that none of this Trump-whispering is true: NK is not going to denuclearize; NK was not driven to negotiate by maximum pressure (they chose to negotiate, because they established nuclear deterrence with the US mainland); and Trump does not deserve a

5b) Nobel, because, well, I am pretty sure that threatening national genocide at the United Nations – ‘totally destroy North Korea’ – is a disqualifier.

6a) The great irony, which US conservative media will never admit of course, is that Trump actually drove SK to the table, not NK. Trump scared SKs so much last year, that Moon’s approval rating has shot up into the 80s%, even though he won with just 41% a year ago, and approval

6b) of the summit process is in the 90s%. So if you are a NK hawk, Trump's rhetoric last year made things worse, not better, by scaring up a dovish consensus for Moon to make concessions and keep Trump at bay.

7a) At this point, the best thing to do would be to postpone the summit until greater common ground among the 3 players can be found and let experts on the issues hammer out some consensus. But Moon likely opposes that because any delay could open political space for Bolton, and

Trump likely desperately wants this summit for the TV, attn, & a political 'win' he can market at home to change the story f/ his scandals & blunt a looming blue wave. So the summit will prolly still happen, even tho, scarily, w 3 weeks to go, no1 really knows how it will unfold

https://twitter.com/Robert_E_Kelly/status/998422440165294081?s=19

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Op maandag 21 mei 2018 14:04 schreef westwoodblvd het volgende:

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Vond dit een verhelderend Twitter draadje van een professor International Relations & Noord Korea expert (en die ene man die een interview had met de BBC toen zijn kinderen ineens zijn werkkamer binnenkwamen ):

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Ik zeg het al langer, het is een enorme fout van Trump geweest om meteen akkoord te gaan met een meeting. Trump heeft veel meer te verliezen dan Kim nu, en loopt het risico om op het hoogste podium af te gaan als een gieter. Tegelijkertijd weten we nu dat Trump de ballen snapt van wat nu precies het probleem met Noord Korea is en hoe kernwapens werken. Wordt een interessante ontmoeting, to say the least.

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Op maandag 21 mei 2018 14:19 schreef trein2000 het volgende:
Wat heeft trump de noord-Koreanen überhaupt te bieden? Want hij zou zelf toch ook een (flinke) concessie moeten doen

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Op maandag 21 mei 2018 15:24 schreef Nintex het volgende:

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Het is heel simpel. Als Korea geen deal wil of naar de tafel komt dan beschouwd Congress de diplomatieke weg ten einde en stijgen de B52's op om van het paleis van Kim in Noord Korea een parkeerplaats te maken.

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Op maandag 21 mei 2018 15:24 schreef Nintex het volgende:

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Het is heel simpel. Als Korea geen deal wil of naar de tafel komt dan beschouwd Congress de diplomatieke weg ten einde en stijgen de B52's op om van het paleis van Kim in Noord Korea een parkeerplaats te maken.

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Op maandag 21 mei 2018 16:08 schreef ExtraWaskracht het volgende:
Je verwacht het niet ... _{of naja, toch een beetje wel}:
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https://www.reuters.com/a(...)llance-idUSKCN1IL0PQ

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Op maandag 21 mei 2018 15:24 schreef Nintex het volgende:

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Het is heel simpel. Als Korea geen deal wil of naar de tafel komt dan beschouwd Congress de diplomatieke weg ten einde en stijgen de B52's op om van het paleis van Kim in Noord Korea een parkeerplaats te maken.

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Op maandag 21 mei 2018 16:22 schreef Freak188 het volgende:

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Ja maar Hillary was toch de havik?