'Voormalige Russische spion' doodziek

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Op maandag 5 maart 2018 21:47 schreef Bienelientjee het volgende:
Blijft leuk hoe de Nederlandse berichten zeggen toegediend. Maar er is volgens mij nog niet eens bekend (gemaakt) wat de stof is en of het daadwerkelijk is toegediend of dat ze het zelf gedaan hebben.

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Op maandag 5 maart 2018 21:51 schreef bianconeri het volgende:

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Ligt echt aan de media die je bekijkt hoor, ik heb dat ''toegediend'' verder nog nergens zien staan.
Ik gok trouwens ook meer op het slechte vertalen van Engels naar het Nederlands,
wat helaas nog constant zo is op TV en ongetwijfeld ook in geschreven media.

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Op maandag 5 maart 2018 21:55 schreef Bienelientjee het volgende:

Alle Nederlandse websites die ik lees zeggen dat het "hem was toegediend". Maar daar is nog niet eens wat over bekend. Zal dus vast wel verkeerd vertaald zijn dan

Ik woon namelijk in de buurt waar het gebeurd is, dus krijg er via het Engels nieuws ook van alles van mee Ze zijn "exposed to". Niet bekend of ze gewoon een veel te zware drug gebruikt hebben of dat het daadwerkelijke een soort "aanslag" is.

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Op maandag 5 maart 2018 23:05 schreef bianconeri het volgende:

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Nou NOS bv niet, toch 1 van de toonaangevende sites daarin.
Ik ga wel uit van vertaalfout ja, het stukje met toegediend staat wat ik zo zie bij sites zelfs tussen aanhalingstekens, dus dat doe je niet zo maar.
Hoe je zoiets dan vertaald van bv exposed naar toegediend dat moge Joost weten.
Maar ja ik verbaas mij wel vaker over de vertalingen.

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Op maandag 5 maart 2018 23:09 schreef Bienelientjee het volgende:

Naja NOS is een van de weinige die het goed vertaald heeft. Vertaal je simpelweg naar "In contact gekomen met / in aanraking gekomen met". Niet:" was hem toegediend"

Maar nu ik in Engeland woon, zie ik steeds vaker dat soort vertalings foutjes.

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Op maandag 5 maart 2018 23:25 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:
Tja, de Duma heeft het liquideren van verraders in het buitenland goedgekeurd. Hij had in 2010 wel gratie gekregen van Medvedev. Die vrouw erbij is vreemd...

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Op maandag 5 maart 2018 23:29 schreef Bienelientjee het volgende:

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Kan ook simpelweg gewoon zijn dat ze beide zeer zware drugs gebruikt hebben. We weten het nog niet

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Op maandag 5 maart 2018 23:29 schreef Bienelientjee het volgende:

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Kan ook simpelweg gewoon zijn dat ze beide zeer zware drugs gebruikt hebben. We weten het nog niet

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The lethal dose for fentanyl is generally stated to be 2 milligrams.
https://www.oxfordtreatment.com/fentanyl/lethal-dose/

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Op maandag 5 maart 2018 23:48 schreef Zith het volgende:

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Mja, het is ook een hele makkelijke manier om iemand te liquideren... geen gedoe met koolmonoxide in drankjes of radioactieve stoffen in paraplus...

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0.002 gram...

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Op maandag 5 maart 2018 23:57 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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koolmonoxide in drankjes? (was trouwens ricine in de Bulgaarse paraplu)

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Op maandag 5 maart 2018 21:55 schreef Bienelientjee het volgende:

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Alle Nederlandse websites die ik lees zeggen dat het "hem was toegediend". Maar daar is nog niet eens wat over bekend. Zal dus vast wel verkeerd vertaald zijn dan

Ik woon namelijk in de buurt waar het gebeurd is, dus krijg er via het Engels nieuws ook van alles van mee Ze zijn "exposed to". Niet bekend of ze gewoon een veel te zware drug gebruikt hebben of dat het daadwerkelijke een soort "aanslag" is.

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BBCTomSymonds twitterde op dinsdag 06-03-2018 om 11:29:55 BREAKING: BBC has been told that the woman suspected to have been poisoned alongside Sergei Skripal in Salisbury was his daughter Yulia. She lives in Russia but was visiting the UK and her relatives have not been able to contact her for two days. reageer retweet

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Op dinsdag 6 maart 2018 15:59 schreef Frutsel het volgende:

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BBCTomSymonds twitterde op dinsdag 06-03-2018 om 11:29:55 BREAKING: BBC has been told that the woman suspected to have been poisoned alongside Sergei Skripal in Salisbury was his daughter Yulia. She lives in Russia but was visiting the UK and her relatives have not been able to contact her for two days. reageer retweet

Merkwaardig, je zou bijna denken dat ze dan de dochter vergiftigd hebben omdat ze wisten dat ze haar vader zou bezoeken.

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Op dinsdag 6 maart 2018 16:20 schreef polderturk het volgende:

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Ik denk het niet. Ik denk dat ze de dochter gevolgd hebben vanuit Rusland omdat ze wisten dat ze haar vader zou bezoeken. Ze heeft de Russische geheime dienst zonder het te weten naar haar vader geleid. Waarschijnlijk had hij een geheime identiteit gekregen.

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Op dinsdag 6 maart 2018 17:41 schreef polderturk het volgende:
Londen dreigt Moskou over incident ex-spion

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Op dinsdag 6 maart 2018 19:05 schreef Twiitch het volgende:

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Als de Engelsen zich terugtrekken dan kan Nederland misschien alsnog naar het WK

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Op dinsdag 6 maart 2018 19:05 schreef Twiitch het volgende:

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Als de Engelsen zich terugtrekken dan kan Nederland misschien alsnog naar het WK

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Op dinsdag 6 maart 2018 19:06 schreef nogeenoudebekende het volgende:

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Boh Wesley helemaal over de rooie. .

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RT_com twitterde op dinsdag 06-03-2018 om 20:53:03 'Would Russia be stupid enough to carry out such an act two weeks before the presidential elections and 100 days before the World Cup in Russia?' https://t.co/s2J9slTY52 reageer retweet

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Russian spy attack inquiry widens after medics treat 21 people

The investigation into the attempted murder of Sergei Skripal has widened, as police sealed off the graves of his wife, Liudmila, and son, Alexander, and confirmed that a total of 21 people had been treated as a result of the incident.

The police officer who was exposed to the nerve agent used on the Skripals, named on Thursday as DS Nick Bailey, remained in a serious but stable condition.

Bailey was described by Wiltshire’s temporary chief constable, Kier Pritchard, as “a massively dedicated officer”. Pritchard said Bailey was “very anxious, very concerned” but sitting up in bed and talking.

The prime minister, Theresa May, said: “We are all thinking of him, his family, friends and colleagues – and the two other victims – at what is an incredibly difficult time.

“The events of Sunday are a stark reminder, if ever one was needed, of the dangerous situations our emergency services face and the dedication and courage they display every day in order to keep us safe.”

Earlier, the home secretary, Amber Rudd, described the use of a nerve agent in a busy city centre as “attempted murder in the most cruel and public way” as pressure on the government and police for answers continued to grow.

Forensics officers began a major search for evidence at Skripal’s semi-detached house. They also cordoned off the graves in Salisbury cemetery where Liudmila and Alexander Skripal were interred in adjacent plots, and sealed off a garage and recovery service elsewhere in the city.
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Rudd condemned the poisoning of Skripal, 66, and his daughter Yulia, 33, as a “brazen and reckless act”. They remained “unconscious and in a critical but stable condition” in hospital, Rudd told MPs.

She refused to give details of the agent used in what Scotland Yard has said was an attack specifically targeting the Russians. She said experts at the government’s laboratory at Porton Down had positively identified the substance. “It is very rare,” she said.

The use of a nerve toxin, usually only held in state military stockpiles, is being seen as a key indicator of possible Kremlin involvement. On Thursday, the Russian embassy in London sent a sarcastic tweet, saying of Skripal: “He was actually a British spy, working for MI6.”

Moscow has repeatedly denied it has anything to do with the attack, the same line used when the FSB officer Alexander Litvinenko was poisoned in 2006 with a radioactive cup of tea. A public inquiry a decade later ruled the Kremlin had ordered the hit.

The Salisbury attack left Skripal and his daughter in a comatose condition last Sunday afternoon, on a bench in the Maltings shopping centre.

Detectives will be seeking to establish how the toxin was delivered – and, crucially, where. One source suggested that Bailey was exposed to the nerve agent from inside Skripal’s house and not in the city centre, as was previously thought.

It is understood that the cordon at the cemetery is in place primarily to keep media away from the graves of Liudmila Skripal, who died of cancer in 2012 aged 59, and Alexander Skripal, who died in March last year in St Petersburg, aged 43.

There was no sign of activity taking place on the site, but the family’s run of ominous bad luck is likely to prompt police to examine whether Liudmila and Alexander may have been victims of foul play.

Police sealed off a new location on Churchfields industrial estate about five minutes by car from Skripal’s home. Officers in protective suits could be seen in the yard of Ashley Wood vehicle recovery services, and paramedics stood by. One car they looked at was a BMW that was partially hidden under a tarpaulin. It is understood that Skripal drove a BMW. Officers from the counter-terrorism command removed boxes from the site.

Friends of Yulia Skripal’s in Moscow described her as an intelligent young woman, fluent in English and Spanish, as well as Russian. They said her comfortable life was destroyed in 2004 when her father – a career officer in GRU military intelligence – was accused of spying for MI6. “We were all totally shocked when her father was jailed,” her school friend Irina Petrova told the Guardian. “These were very tough years for Yulia. She was deeply affected by her father’s sentence.”

On the ground in Salisbury, detectives have divided the investigation into three separate sites: the Skripals’ home, the Mill pub, where they had been drinking, and the Zizzi restaurant where they had eaten before collapsing at around 4.15pm.

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RussianEmbassy twitterde op donderdag 08-03-2018 om 12:50:40 He was actually a British spy, working for MI6 https://t.co/PPAcE8a9vz reageer retweet

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BBCSimonMcCoy twitterde op woensdag 07-03-2018 om 12:31:49 Sorry.. but if he was spying for MI6.. isn’t he a ‘British spy’.. regardless of nationality. #justsaying reageer retweet

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2018 10:12 schreef polderturk het volgende:
Sinds de jaren 90 zijn er meer dan 100 journalisten in Rusland gedood.
Ook zijn er 14 Russen in Groot-Brittanie in verdachte omstandigheden omgekomen. Putin laat er geen gras over groeien.

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2018 15:20 schreef Nikonlover het volgende:
Er is geen bewijs dat Rusland de schuldige is.
Misschien is het de Westerse geheime dienst geweest zodat ze voer hebben om de spanningen met Rusland op te laten lopen.

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2018 10:12 schreef polderturk het volgende:
Sinds de jaren 90 zijn er meer dan 100 journalisten in Rusland gedood.
Ook zijn er 14 Russen in Groot-Brittanie in verdachte omstandigheden omgekomen. Putin laat er geen gras over groeien.

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Maar soms gaat het fout. De voormalige Oekraïense president Viktor Joesjtsjenko, die zijn land aansluiting wilde laten vinden bij het Westen, overleefde een dioxinevergiftiging.

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Russian spy attack: military to help investigate poisoning of Sergei Skripal

About 180 military personnel have been called in to remove evidence potentially contaminated by a nerve agent in Salisbury as investigators try to establish where and when a British police officer was poisoned.

DS Nick Bailey is seriously ill in hospital having visited the home of Sergei Skripal after the former Russian spy and his daughter, Yulia, were found slumped on a bench in Salisbury, Wiltshire, on Sunday afternoon.

Investigators are trying to establish whether Bailey visited the scene where the two Russians were found, and was poisoned there or by items there, or whether the officer was contaminated by his visit to Skripal’s home.

Sources say that while it is not certain, it is believed more likely Bailey became contaminated by his visit to the home.

Uncertainty about how and where Sergei and Yulia Skripal were also poisoned led to police requesting military assistance on Friday to secure contaminated evidence on Friday. It is understood that personnel from the Royal Marines, the RAF and chemical teams were helping to remove vehicles from the scene.

On Friday afternoon military personnel arrived at Salisbury District Hospital. Military trucks seen on the site were reportedly there to remove a police vehicle.

The Metropolitan police said the units were called in because they had “the necessary capability and expertise” and urged the public not to be alarmed.

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That consultant—an agent employed by Orbis founder Christopher Steele to gather information—was reportedly in repeated contact with an exiled former Russian intelligence officer, Sergei Skripal, who was poisoned along with his daughter in a brazen public murder attempt on March 4.

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Op zaterdag 10 maart 2018 09:28 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:
De FSB gaat normaal gezien discreter te werk

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Russian spy: Salisbury diners told to wash possessions

Up to 500 Salisbury pub-goers and diners have been told to wash possessions as a precaution after nerve agent traces were found.

Trace amounts of the substance used to poison ex-Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter were found on and around a table where the pair ate at Zizzi restaurant, the BBC has learned.

The table, along with other items, has been removed and destroyed.

Scientists have advised police it could take weeks for the premises to reopen.

Traces of the nerve agent were also found at the Mill pub in Salisbury.

Sergei and Yulia Skripal, who remain in a critical but stable condition in hospital, are understood to have eaten on a table away from other diners.

Prof Dame Sally Davies, the chief medical officer for England, said the risk of harm to fellow diners was "low".

The advice to wash possessions applies to anyone in either venue between 13:30 GMT on Sunday 4 March and closure on Monday:

Clothes should be washed, ideally in a washing machine
Clothes which cannot be washed, for example if they need dry cleaning, should be double bagged in plastic until further notice
Mobile phones, handbags and other electronic items should be wiped with baby wipes, which should be bagged in plastic and put in the bin
Other items such as jewellery and glasses should be washed with warm water and detergent
Hands should be washed after the handling of any items suspected of being contaminated.

Dame Sally said after "rigorous scientific analysis" there was some concern that prolonged exposure over weeks and months could cause health problems but it was "not a subject for panic".

She said the advice was a "belt and braces" measure, adding: "I am confident none of these customers or staff will have suffered harm."

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Members of the military are assisting police for a third day having previously helped with the removal of vehicles of interest including an ambulance.

More than 250 counter terrorism police are now involved in the investigation, which has yielded 200 pieces of evidence so far and more than 240 witnesses.

At a Sunday service at Salisbury Cathedral, the bishop - the Right Reverend Nicholas Holtam - said as well as a "shocking attack on two individuals", the attack was a "violation of our community".

Mr Skripal, a retired Russian military intelligence officer, was convicted by the Russian government of passing secrets to MI6 in 2004, but given refuge in the UK in 2010 as part of a "spy swap".

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The British police have established the method of poisoning former GRU Colonel Sergei Skripal. This is reported by Daily Express citing the investigation’s information.

According to the publication, the investigators believe that the source of poisoning was located at the Salisbury Cemetery, where Sergei Skripal's wife and son are buried. It is known that shortly before being found unconscious on a bench in the park, Skripal and his daughter had been visiting their deceased relatives.

In particular, it was found that Skripal had received a bouquet of fresh flowers, which had been allegedly sent by his friend with a request to take them to the grave of his deceased wife. Skripal and daughter carried the bouquet to the cemetery and were paralyzed for several hours later.

Forensics are currently working at the cemetery. It is possible that the relatives of the former officer can be exhumed in the interests of the investigation.

To recall, the lead according to which the poisoning with a nerve agent occurred in Skripal’s own house had been one of the priority ones. In addition, it was reported that traces of the poisonous substance were also found in the Zizi restaurant, where the victims had dinner.

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Op maandag 12 maart 2018 07:18 schreef Braindead2000 het volgende:
Het NOS-journaal kon het niet nalaten om meteen de Russen te beschuldigen.

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Op maandag 12 maart 2018 07:48 schreef tochnietweer het volgende:
Risico van het vak

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Op maandag 12 maart 2018 07:48 schreef tochnietweer het volgende:
Risico van het vak

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Op maandag 12 maart 2018 07:29 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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Dat zal Theresa May vandaag waarschijnlijk ook doen.

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Op maandag 12 maart 2018 07:18 schreef Braindead2000 het volgende:
Het NOS-journaal kon het niet nalaten om meteen de Russen te beschuldigen.