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De meest geloofwaardige blijven toch de mensen die er dicht bij stonden en filmpjes maakten en de gesprekken onderling. Zoals ze geen markering op de vliegtuigen zagen. En dat valt bere goed op.

Jammer dat de meeste van mn favorieten uit 2001/2 niet meer werken, dat was toch wel de shit die je toen bezig hield.

En die ene due, die Sonnenfeld oid die er als cameraman heen werd gestuurd en daarna zn vrouw heeft vermoord. Of dat ook zo is, geen idee. Maar wel vreemd.

Of in de kelder explosies en gewonden mensen. voordat er ook maar iets was ingestort.
  donderdag 30 november 2017 @ 10:08:54 #52
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Most people -- or certainly many people, especially in the U.S. -- believe the complete structural failure and total collapse of the World Trade Center towers was caused by the combustion of large quantities of jet fuel, dispersed and ignited after "hijacked" jets crashed into each tower on Sept. 11, 2001. That is the scenario promulgated to the far corners of the globe by official U.S. government sources.

Interestingly, jet fuel -- somewhat similar to common kerosene and not much different than charcoal lighter fluid -- burns at roughly 875 degrees. Whether a little or a lot of fuel is burned, it still burns at roughly the same temperature. Now: Think about all the kerosene burning in all those kerosene heaters (and lanterns), constructed primarily of thin, low-grade, steel sheet metal. Think about all those kerosene heaters burning merrily away, with temperatures perhaps approaching 875 degrees at the hottest. Think about how parts of all those kerosene heaters would then turn into bubbling pools of melted steel before the horrified eyes of countless poor souls who had no idea the fuel used in their heaters would actually "MELT" the heaters themselves.

Of course, this does NOT happen -- which gives us a pretty good idea that what had been sold far and wide by the U.S. government and innumerable media outlets as the "cause" of the trade center towers' collapse is in fact absolute fiction and fantasy, without the slightest shred of scientific fact or collaborative evidence and testimony to support such monstrous and utter nonsense. Hardened steel such as that used in the WTC beams and girders needs temperatures of approximately TWENTY-EIGHT HUNDRED (2,800) degrees to actually melt, and temperatures approaching 2,000 degrees to turn bright red and soften,

The official version of the collapse of the WTC towers is -- again -- that burning jet fuel eventually melted or liquefied the massive and seriously hard steel beams of the WTC tower(s), to the point where the beams all gave way, unilaterally and simultaneously throughout both the gigantic structures and causing their total and nearly instantaneous collapse. Well, if such doesn't happen with kerosene heaters, you can bet it doesn't happen to huge steel-beamed buildings -- and indeed it never has; especially when the fires which supposedly "caused" such total structural failure had in fact long since largely burned themselves out.

In fact, nearly a year after the monumental and treacherous catastrophe which struck lower Manhattan on Sept. 11, 2001, an audio tape of firefighter communications was finally released -- which proves that the actual conditions at and near the point of impact in the north WTC tower only moments before the building's collapse were totally inconsistent with the conditions which had to have existed for the official version to be even minimally correct.

Firefighters who had reached the eightieth floor of the north tower reported they were eyewitnesses to fact much of the fire caused by burning jet fuel had by then largely burned out, although some burning and smoldering areas still remained. Not once did firefighters on site at " ground zero" of ground zero indicate the slightest concern that fires were still burning at an intensity which threatened their own or others' safety -- certainly not that conditions were so severe that the very integrity of the entire structure itself was threatened! On the contrary: they indicated that conditions were controllable: that they planned to conduct survivors safely out of the building, and to then bring in equipment and personnel to extinguish any remaining burning/smoldering areas.

And what, exactly, does all this mean? It means that the total structural failure of the two massive, superbly-engineered/designed edifices known as the WTC towers did NOT result from jet fuel flash-fires burning at under 900 degrees Fahrenheit -- when steel used in WTC construction needed temperatures over THREE TIMES HIGHER to actually "MELT."

And THIS means that the towers were in fact toppled by use of BOMBS or similar methods.

And THIS means that a stupendously far-reaching conspiracy and cover-up -- involving the highest levels of US government -- lies behind the 9-11 "attacks on America".
http://rense.com/general39/points.htm

Er zit natuurlijk een verschil tussen kwik en titanium. :+ Hoe weet deze gast welke metalen er zijn gebruikt? Weten jullie dat wel?
Knowledge is the best weapon and education is its strategy. ~streepjes
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1s.gif Op donderdag 30 november 2017 10:08 schreef _--_ het volgende:
Most people -- or certainly many people, especially in the U.S. -- believe the complete structural failure and total collapse of the World Trade Center towers was caused by the combustion of large quantities of jet fuel, dispersed and ignited after "hijacked" jets crashed into each tower on Sept. 11, 2001. That is the scenario promulgated to the far corners of the globe by official U.S. government sources.

Interestingly, jet fuel -- somewhat similar to common kerosene and not much different than charcoal lighter fluid -- burns at roughly 875 degrees. Whether a little or a lot of fuel is burned, it still burns at roughly the same temperature. Now: Think about all the kerosene burning in all those kerosene heaters (and lanterns), constructed primarily of thin, low-grade, steel sheet metal. Think about all those kerosene heaters burning merrily away, with temperatures perhaps approaching 875 degrees at the hottest. Think about how parts of all those kerosene heaters would then turn into bubbling pools of melted steel before the horrified eyes of countless poor souls who had no idea the fuel used in their heaters would actually "MELT" the heaters themselves.

Of course, this does NOT happen -- which gives us a pretty good idea that what had been sold far and wide by the U.S. government and innumerable media outlets as the "cause" of the trade center towers' collapse is in fact absolute fiction and fantasy, without the slightest shred of scientific fact or collaborative evidence and testimony to support such monstrous and utter nonsense. Hardened steel such as that used in the WTC beams and girders needs temperatures of approximately TWENTY-EIGHT HUNDRED (2,800) degrees to actually melt, and temperatures approaching 2,000 degrees to turn bright red and soften,

The official version of the collapse of the WTC towers is -- again -- that burning jet fuel eventually melted or liquefied the massive and seriously hard steel beams of the WTC tower(s), to the point where the beams all gave way, unilaterally and simultaneously throughout both the gigantic structures and causing their total and nearly instantaneous collapse. Well, if such doesn't happen with kerosene heaters, you can bet it doesn't happen to huge steel-beamed buildings -- and indeed it never has; especially when the fires which supposedly "caused" such total structural failure had in fact long since largely burned themselves out.

In fact, nearly a year after the monumental and treacherous catastrophe which struck lower Manhattan on Sept. 11, 2001, an audio tape of firefighter communications was finally released -- which proves that the actual conditions at and near the point of impact in the north WTC tower only moments before the building's collapse were totally inconsistent with the conditions which had to have existed for the official version to be even minimally correct.

Firefighters who had reached the eightieth floor of the north tower reported they were eyewitnesses to fact much of the fire caused by burning jet fuel had by then largely burned out, although some burning and smoldering areas still remained. Not once did firefighters on site at " ground zero" of ground zero indicate the slightest concern that fires were still burning at an intensity which threatened their own or others' safety -- certainly not that conditions were so severe that the very integrity of the entire structure itself was threatened! On the contrary: they indicated that conditions were controllable: that they planned to conduct survivors safely out of the building, and to then bring in equipment and personnel to extinguish any remaining burning/smoldering areas.

And what, exactly, does all this mean? It means that the total structural failure of the two massive, superbly-engineered/designed edifices known as the WTC towers did NOT result from jet fuel flash-fires burning at under 900 degrees Fahrenheit -- when steel used in WTC construction needed temperatures over THREE TIMES HIGHER to actually "MELT."

And THIS means that the towers were in fact toppled by use of BOMBS or similar methods.

And THIS means that a stupendously far-reaching conspiracy and cover-up -- involving the highest levels of US government -- lies behind the 9-11 "attacks on America".
http://rense.com/general39/points.htm

Er zit natuurlijk een verschil tussen kwik en titanium. :+ Hoe weet deze gast welke metalen er zijn gebruikt? Weten jullie dat wel?
Het hele verhaal is een red herring: het is niet zo dat het officiële verhaal stelt dat de enorme stalen kolommen door de hitte zijn zacht gemaakt of zelfs gesmolten en dat daardoor de toren instortte.
Verder gaat de vergelijking met een gecontroleerde brand in een lantaarn of kachel niet op.
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0s.gif Op donderdag 23 november 2017 22:26 schreef funnywell het volgende:
De meest geloofwaardige blijven toch de mensen die er dicht bij stonden en filmpjes maakten en de gesprekken onderling. Zoals ze geen markering op de vliegtuigen zagen. En dat valt bere goed op.

Jammer dat de meeste van mn favorieten uit 2001/2 niet meer werken, dat was toch wel de shit die je toen bezig hield.

En die ene due, die Sonnenfeld oid die er als cameraman heen werd gestuurd en daarna zn vrouw heeft vermoord. Of dat ook zo is, geen idee. Maar wel vreemd.

Of in de kelder explosies en gewonden mensen. voordat er ook maar iets was ingestort.
Dit is een foto van een united airlines vliegtuig:



flight-united-boeing-747-airplane-UNITEDFAREWELL0917.jpg?itok=mOj14ti1

Vrij donker toestel, als die met 800km/u langs schiet kan ik me voorstellen dat je geen ramen, tekst, logo, etc ziet.

De explosies in de kelder en overige verdiepingen waren vuurballen die explodeerden.
  donderdag 30 november 2017 @ 13:32:15 #55
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1s.gif Op donderdag 30 november 2017 10:08 schreef _--_ het volgende:
Most people -- or certainly many people, especially in the U.S. -- believe the complete structural failure and total collapse of the World Trade Center towers was caused by the combustion of large quantities of jet fuel, dispersed and ignited after "hijacked" jets crashed into each tower on Sept. 11, 2001. That is the scenario promulgated to the far corners of the globe by official U.S. government sources.

Interestingly, jet fuel -- somewhat similar to common kerosene and not much different than charcoal lighter fluid -- burns at roughly 875 degrees. Whether a little or a lot of fuel is burned, it still burns at roughly the same temperature. Now: Think about all the kerosene burning in all those kerosene heaters (and lanterns), constructed primarily of thin, low-grade, steel sheet metal. Think about all those kerosene heaters burning merrily away, with temperatures perhaps approaching 875 degrees at the hottest. Think about how parts of all those kerosene heaters would then turn into bubbling pools of melted steel before the horrified eyes of countless poor souls who had no idea the fuel used in their heaters would actually "MELT" the heaters themselves.

Of course, this does NOT happen -- which gives us a pretty good idea that what had been sold far and wide by the U.S. government and innumerable media outlets as the "cause" of the trade center towers' collapse is in fact absolute fiction and fantasy, without the slightest shred of scientific fact or collaborative evidence and testimony to support such monstrous and utter nonsense. Hardened steel such as that used in the WTC beams and girders needs temperatures of approximately TWENTY-EIGHT HUNDRED (2,800) degrees to actually melt, and temperatures approaching 2,000 degrees to turn bright red and soften,

The official version of the collapse of the WTC towers is -- again -- that burning jet fuel eventually melted or liquefied the massive and seriously hard steel beams of the WTC tower(s), to the point where the beams all gave way, unilaterally and simultaneously throughout both the gigantic structures and causing their total and nearly instantaneous collapse. Well, if such doesn't happen with kerosene heaters, you can bet it doesn't happen to huge steel-beamed buildings -- and indeed it never has; especially when the fires which supposedly "caused" such total structural failure had in fact long since largely burned themselves out.

In fact, nearly a year after the monumental and treacherous catastrophe which struck lower Manhattan on Sept. 11, 2001, an audio tape of firefighter communications was finally released -- which proves that the actual conditions at and near the point of impact in the north WTC tower only moments before the building's collapse were totally inconsistent with the conditions which had to have existed for the official version to be even minimally correct.

Firefighters who had reached the eightieth floor of the north tower reported they were eyewitnesses to fact much of the fire caused by burning jet fuel had by then largely burned out, although some burning and smoldering areas still remained. Not once did firefighters on site at " ground zero" of ground zero indicate the slightest concern that fires were still burning at an intensity which threatened their own or others' safety -- certainly not that conditions were so severe that the very integrity of the entire structure itself was threatened! On the contrary: they indicated that conditions were controllable: that they planned to conduct survivors safely out of the building, and to then bring in equipment and personnel to extinguish any remaining burning/smoldering areas.

And what, exactly, does all this mean? It means that the total structural failure of the two massive, superbly-engineered/designed edifices known as the WTC towers did NOT result from jet fuel flash-fires burning at under 900 degrees Fahrenheit -- when steel used in WTC construction needed temperatures over THREE TIMES HIGHER to actually "MELT."

And THIS means that the towers were in fact toppled by use of BOMBS or similar methods.

And THIS means that a stupendously far-reaching conspiracy and cover-up -- involving the highest levels of US government -- lies behind the 9-11 "attacks on America".
http://rense.com/general39/points.htm

Er zit natuurlijk een verschil tussen kwik en titanium. :+ Hoe weet deze gast welke metalen er zijn gebruikt? Weten jullie dat wel?
Ik had eigenlijk gehoopt dat de complot theorieën ondertussen de 'jet fuel can't melt steel beams' fase wel ontgroeit zouden zijn ;) De aanname die hier achter zit, dat staal moet smelten om zijn sterkte te verliezen, klopt niet. Ook bij veel lagere temperaturen verliest het zijn stijfheid, met het 50% punt grofweg rond de 600 graden C. Je kan het vergelijken met een pakje boter. Een blok hiervan wat even buiten de koelkast ligt is zachter dan een blok in de koelkast, zonder dat deze gesmolten is. Andersom is een blok in de vriezer weer harder dan een blok in de koelkast.
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  donderdag 30 november 2017 @ 18:09:47 #56
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http://www.nytimes.com/pa(...)09_TAPE_FEATURE.html
Interessante multimedias hier :o
van 2002
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  zondag 3 december 2017 @ 20:55:51 #57
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  zondag 3 december 2017 @ 21:46:43 #58
147172 THEFXR
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  zondag 3 december 2017 @ 21:48:31 #59
147172 THEFXR
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1s.gif Op donderdag 30 november 2017 10:39 schreef Wantie het volgende:

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Dit is een foto van een united airlines vliegtuig:


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Vrij donker toestel, als die met 800km/u langs schiet kan ik me voorstellen dat je geen ramen, tekst, logo, etc ziet.

De explosies in de kelder en overige verdiepingen waren vuurballen die explodeerden.
die explosies in de kelder waren om het sprinkler systeem in de towers uit te schakelen.
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0s.gif Op zondag 3 december 2017 21:48 schreef THEFXR het volgende:

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die explosies in de kelder waren om het sprinkler systeem in de towers uit te schakelen.
Dat water komt van boven.
  zondag 3 december 2017 @ 21:51:45 #61
147172 THEFXR
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pi_175478702
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0s.gif Op zondag 3 december 2017 21:49 schreef Wantie het volgende:

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Dat water komt van boven.
de schakelbord module stond in de kelder
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0s.gif Op zondag 3 december 2017 21:51 schreef THEFXR het volgende:

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de schakelbord module stond in de kelder
sprinklers werken niet via schakelbord
  zondag 3 december 2017 @ 21:56:18 #63
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0s.gif Op zondag 3 december 2017 21:52 schreef Wantie het volgende:

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sprinklers werken niet via schakelbord
hoe dan wel volgens jou?
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0s.gif Op zondag 3 december 2017 21:56 schreef THEFXR het volgende:

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hoe dan wel volgens jou?
Die reageren op de brandmelder ter plaatse. Zou beetje debiel zijn als het sprinklersysteem in een kantoorgebouw met 50.000 werknemers afhankelijk is van een schakelbord ergens in de kelder die de hele zooi uitschakelt als er een defect op treedt...
  zondag 3 december 2017 @ 22:03:06 #65
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0s.gif Op zondag 3 december 2017 21:48 schreef THEFXR het volgende:

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die explosies in de kelder waren om het sprinkler systeem in de towers uit te schakelen.
Ik denk persoonlijk dat de berichten over explosies in de basement allemaal afleiding zijn. De torens stonden leeg en er waren geen getuigen in de directe omgeving van de torens.
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1s.gif Op zondag 3 december 2017 22:03 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:

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Ik denk persoonlijk dat de berichten over explosies in de basement allemaal afleiding zijn. De torens stonden leeg en er waren geen getuigen in de directe omgeving van de torens.
Ja precies.
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1s.gif Op zondag 3 december 2017 22:03 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:

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Ik denk persoonlijk dat de berichten over explosies in de basement allemaal afleiding zijn. De torens stonden leeg en er waren geen getuigen in de directe omgeving van de torens.
Dat lijkt me ook de meest veilige manier om zo'n hoax op te zetten.

En flink veel rookmachines die zowel letterlijk als figuurlijk de gordijnen ophingen.
Een waarheidszoeker is iemand die durft te waden door dikke lagen van giftige rookgordijnen en probeert geen adem te halen.
"The silence of conspiracy. Slaughtered on the altar of apathy." - Lords of the New Church (1982)
  zondag 3 december 2017 @ 22:17:05 #68
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14s.gif Op zondag 3 december 2017 22:14 schreef De_cameraman_uit_Colombia het volgende:

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Dat lijkt me ook de meest veilige manier om zo'n hoax op te zetten.

En flink veel rookmachines die zowel letterlijk als figuurlijk de gordijnen ophingen.
Manhattan is allemaal hoogbouw. 3 blokken rondom afsluiten en niemand ziet wat er gebeurt.
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1s.gif Op zondag 3 december 2017 22:17 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:

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Manhattan is allemaal hoogbouw. 3 blokken rondom afsluiten en niemand ziet wat er gebeurt.
"Wegwerkzaamheden". Inderdaad.

De emopropaganda van die dag was zo overweldigend, dat niemand vragen stelde.
Een waarheidszoeker is iemand die durft te waden door dikke lagen van giftige rookgordijnen en probeert geen adem te halen.
"The silence of conspiracy. Slaughtered on the altar of apathy." - Lords of the New Church (1982)
  zondag 3 december 2017 @ 22:19:48 #70
239009 J0kkebr0k
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Eric Darton heeft het in zijn boek "Divided We Stand" al beschreven. De torens waren in staat van verval. Huurders waren amper te vinden.
Zeker niet na de aanslag in 1993. Niemand durfde zich daar nog te vestigen.


Totdat ineens eind '90 begin '00 er onwaarschijnlijke aantallen vierkante meters gehuurd werden en dit via persberichten kenbaar gemaakt werd.

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  zondag 3 december 2017 @ 22:31:44 #71
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14s.gif Op zondag 3 december 2017 22:18 schreef De_cameraman_uit_Colombia het volgende:

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"Wegwerkzaamheden". Inderdaad.

De emopropaganda van die dag was zo overweldigend, dat niemand vragen stelde.
Ik denk dat ik die vliegtuigen op tv in de dagen er na wel een paar honderd keer die torens heb zien vliegen. Trauma based mind control. De kracht van herhaling.

Het woordje "terror" werd er ook echt in geramd.
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  zondag 3 december 2017 @ 22:32:30 #72
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Larry Silverstein
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Hij was nog geen twee maanden de eigenaar van het World Trade Center ten tijde van de terroristische aanslagen op 11 september 2001.
quote:
De verzekeringspolis werd ondertekend door 24 verzekeringsaanbieders voor een totaal van 3,55 miljard Amerikaanse dollar per geval van zaakschade.
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Silverstein

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Silverstein has said in interviews that he usually spent his mornings in breakfast meetings at Windows on the World on top of the World Trade Center North Tower, and with new tenants in the building. However, the morning of September 11, 2001, his wife insisted that he attend a medical appointment. Due to the appointment, he escaped almost certain death.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Silverstein
:')
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quote:
Hoax, we zijn er inmiddels achter dat de torens leeg stonden.
Silverstein kon dus helemaal niet ontbijten daar...
  zondag 3 december 2017 @ 23:55:40 #74
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1s.gif Op zondag 3 december 2017 23:54 schreef Wantie het volgende:

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Hoax, we zijn er inmiddels achter dat de torens leeg stonden.
Silverstein kon dus helemaal niet ontbijten daar...
huh?
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  zondag 3 december 2017 @ 23:56:19 #75
239009 J0kkebr0k
Hoaxbusters!
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10s.gif Op zondag 3 december 2017 20:55 schreef _--_ het volgende:
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Like in the movies
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