In Irak keren jongeren de Islam de rug toe

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Op woensdag 13 september 2017 01:09 schreef LelijKnap het volgende:

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Wel goed kut, het best mogelijke tot op heden gevonden, aanpassen. Dat impliceert hoe dan ook achteruitgang.

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Op woensdag 13 september 2017 01:10 schreef LelijKnap het volgende:

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Wat denk jij, zou de islam gekozen zijn als middel tot de nieuwe wereld orde, vanwege het trans-nationale karakter ervan?

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Op woensdag 13 september 2017 01:13 schreef LelijKnap het volgende:

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Deels communistisch, aan het uiteinde, en wrs aan de onderkant. Daartussen mag (moet) dan beweeglijkheid bestaan. Ik zou zeggen, vanaf die 5 miljoen belasting met 10% op elke miljoen daarboven in te stellen.

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Op woensdag 13 september 2017 01:11 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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Onzin.

We moeten echt meer geschiedenis lezen. Hoe is dat ontstaan en waar? In de VS. Ik denk zelfs dat Hitler de VS voor ogen had ook met zijn nazistisch rijk. VS was voor de Europeanen ineens een revelatie. Na de burgeroorlog ging dat in een continent dat werd ontsloten zo hard mbt welvaart.

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Op woensdag 13 september 2017 01:16 schreef LelijKnap het volgende:

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Ja, maar dan nog verder weglopen van het poldermodel?

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Iraq's Islamic movements and political parties have intensified their rhetoric in recent weeks against atheism, warning Iraqis about its spread and the need to confront atheists. Such movements and parties worry that public sentiment is turning against Islamic parties in politics and that this could be reflected in upcoming elections, scheduled for the end of 2017 and beginning of 2018.

In a lecture this month in Baghdad, Ammar al-Hakim — head of the mostly Shiite Iraqi National Alliance party, which holds the overwhelming political majority in parliament and government — warned against the prevalence of atheism.

“Some people resent Iraqi society’s adherence to religious principles and its connection to God Almighty,” he said. Hakim called for “confronting these extraneous atheistic ideas with good thinking and with an iron fist against the supporters of such ideas by exposing the methods they use in disseminating their ideas.”

Hakim’s message is contrary to the Iraqi Constitution, which guarantees freedom of belief and expression and criminalizes incitement against others and against compelling others to adopt or reject a specific faith.

During Ramadan, religious lectures in Shiite cities in Iraq's center and south — the main base of the Islamic parties — attacked the spread of secular and atheistic ideas, which are viewed as threats to Iraqi society.

Former Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has extensive influence among the politically ambitious pro-Iranian factions within the Popular Mobilization Units military organization. He warned May 30 of a supposed dangerous conspiracy by secular and nonreligious movements to take power from Islamic parties and gain control for themselves.

Atheism in Arab culture, as described by contemporary Egyptian philosopher Abdel Rahman Badawi in his book, “The History of Atheism,” covers a vast range of ideas and behaviors. To Badawi, atheism includes agnostics, emerging secular movements that reject the political role of religion, and those who criticize various aspects of religion. Secularism and atheism are thus often intertwined in the discourse of political Islam through the use of terms such as “secular atheist trends and ideas.” These ideas inspire fear in many politically-oriented Islamic movements.

According to Sayyid Qutb, a founder of political Islam who is widely studied by Islamists in Iraq, separating religion from political rule is tantamount to infidelity to God and denying divine governance.

Defunct Kurdish news agency AKnews conducted a nonscientific poll in 2011 about faith. When asked if they believed in God, 67% of respondents answered yes; 21%, probably yes; 4%, probably no; 7%, no; and 1% had no answer.

In a country that has not seen a national census for three decades, it's not possible to provide official numbers for members of different faiths and beliefs. It is especially difficult to know the size of those communities that hold taboo beliefs in a conservative society such as Iraq, which views these outsiders with disdain and where they are threatened by military groups and political leaders, some of whom demand they be beaten "with an iron fist." Much of what information can be gleaned comes in anecdotal form. Since 2014, after the Islamic State swept through Iraqi territory, many reports from various quarters have observed that more people are skeptical of Islamic beliefs and are rejecting Islam altogether, influenced by the negative image of Islam portrayed by extremist groups.

A prominent book store in Baghdad has seen more young people buying books on atheism from prominent nonbelievers such as Saudi writer Abdullah al-Qasemi and British philosopher Richard Dawkins. Even in a holy city like Najaf and within the Shiite religious establishments, Al-Monitor spoke to several religious students who not only have begun to question the fundamental beliefs of Islam, but the basic principles of religion in general. They would be ostracized by society in a heartbeat if they expressed their views freely.

Human rights activist, writer and satirist Faisal Saeed al-Mutar told Al-Monitor that atheists in Iraq face very difficult circumstances under a government with a majority of Islamic parties and with the dominance of Islamic militias over society.

Faisal, who follows Iraqi atheists' activities on social media, said, “I clearly see that the numbers of atheists is rising in different areas in Iraq.” Faisal recently founded the Ideas Beyond Borders organization, which defends Iraqi atheists and helps them organize and claim their rights.

Many atheists have been forced to flee Iraq because of harassment and threats. Jamal al-Bahadly, an atheist who is vocal about his views on social networking sites, said he received death threats from Shiite militias in Baghdad, forcing him to leave the country in 2015. He emigrated to Germany.

“As an atheist, I was deprived of the most basic civil rights in Iraq. I feel that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights does not include me and my fellow atheists in Iraq," Bahadly told Al-Monitor. Iraq voted in favor of the declaration in 1948 at the United Nations General Assembly.

Leaders of Islamic movements repeatedly say they've seen a rise in the number of atheists in Iraq. Their statements of concern fuel even more concern among the ruling Islamic parties, who fear a decline in their political power.

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Op woensdag 13 september 2017 01:15 schreef MadJackthePirate het volgende:

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Het nazisme en de islam hebben natuurlijk wel een aantal overeenkomsten. Alleen de visie op 'het ideale volk' verschilt nogal radicaal.

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Op woensdag 13 september 2017 01:21 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
Ja, ergens denk dat het nazisme nog meer vrijheden toestond, in ieder geval tot de toespraken van Goebbels en Speer in het Sportpalast in 1943, vlak na de val van het 6de leger bij Stalingrad, dan de islam.

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Op woensdag 13 september 2017 01:20 schreef LelijKnap het volgende:

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Natuurlijk niet. Communisme omhelst wel meer wat meer dan het begrenzen v.d. bovenlaag van vermogens.

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Op woensdag 13 september 2017 01:23 schreef Stabiel het volgende:

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Welk Islam?

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Op woensdag 13 september 2017 01:27 schreef LelijKnap het volgende:
Hitler dacht in meerdere lagen. Hij poogde 'de Europeaan' (cultuur, bevolking, de 'historische Europeaan') te beschermen, maar gelijktijdig moest deze wel onder leiding van de über-Europeaan gebracht worden; het Duits-Arische volk. Dat (vnmlk raciale en nationalistische component) is een vrij beperkend uitgangspunt wil je een wereldorde bewerkstelligen. De VS had er wellicht ook ondergebracht kunnen worden, maar heel veel verder had je niet kunnen komen, tenzij je de rest zou kunnen/willen zuiveren. De islam kan zulke componenten makkelijker (niet altijd) overstijgen.

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Op woensdag 13 september 2017 00:37 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Nee, Trouw is gewoon kut en heeft FOK! vaak lopen kutten en bedreigen zelfs.

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Op woensdag 13 september 2017 01:30 schreef Stabiel het volgende:

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Nonsense. Hitler probeerde geenszins de Slavische volkeren in Europa te beschermen, en in het nazistische rassenleer werden ze als minderwaardig gezien.

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Op woensdag 13 september 2017 01:25 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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Op zich goeie vraag idd. Kom je niet weg met De Islam idd, maar zo is het wel.
Mooiste en bijna perfecte weerlegging van iedere kritiek op de islam.

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Op woensdag 13 september 2017 01:27 schreef LelijKnap het volgende:
Hitler dacht in meerdere lagen. Hij poogde 'de Europeaan' (cultuur, bevolking, de 'historische Europeaan') te beschermen, maar gelijktijdig moest deze wel onder leiding van de über-Europeaan gebracht worden; het Duits-Arische volk. Dat (vnmlk raciale en nationalistische component) is een vrij beperkend uitgangspunt wil je een wereldorde bewerkstelligen. De VS had er wellicht ook ondergebracht kunnen worden, maar heel veel verder had je niet kunnen komen, tenzij je de rest zou kunnen/willen zuiveren. De islam kan zulke componenten makkelijker (niet altijd) overstijgen.