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1s.gif Op zaterdag 2 september 2017 17:15 schreef ATuin-hek het volgende:

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I see the power of an example is still beyond your mental grasp.

We could also customise the wrecking ball and empty beercan/fence analogies if you like.

One very small , hollow , thin aluminium ball and the other a hollow , much larger , thicker , steel ball.
We could then test the strength of the balls against a garden fence (made of chicken wire for example) and see which ball would cause and sustain the most significant damage.
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Zolang je elementaire natuurkunde niet lijkt te begrijpen maakt elke vergelijking die je poneert niet echt uit.
  zaterdag 2 september 2017 @ 19:31:56 #203
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0s.gif Op zaterdag 2 september 2017 19:02 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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Apart from the engines and landing gear,they most certainly are, in comparison to an enormous steel building.
Aircraft are far from being solid objects are they?
En het wtc ook niet een massief stuk metaal!, zelfde geld voor het empire state building en toch kan een veel kleiner vliegtuig gigantisch veel schade toebrengen!
je kan duidelijk zien dat metalen balken compleet krom zijn!

empire state building, in aanbouw!
Old_timer_structural_worker2.jpg

Ook het frame van deze was grotendeels metaal.
En op de fotos zien we duidelijk een gigantische ravage.

Dus een 767 kan niet voor elkaar krijgen wat een veel kleinere b25 wel kan!


Leg mij even uit wat daar de logica van is?

Iemand???
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  zaterdag 2 september 2017 @ 19:33:52 #204
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0s.gif Op zaterdag 2 september 2017 19:25 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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We could also customise the wrecking ball and empty beercan/fence analogies if you like.

One very small , hollow , thin aluminium ball and the other a hollow , much larger , thicker , steel ball.
We could then test the strength of the balls against a garden fence (made of chicken wire for example) and see which ball would cause and sustain the most significant damage.
And that's a mistake on your part. One being more efficient than the other doesn't mean that the less efficient one does no damage at all.
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0s.gif Op zaterdag 2 september 2017 19:18 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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Ze zijn zeer fraglel in vergelijking met 'n enorme staal gebouw.
In sommige gevallen ook zeer fragiel tegen 'n vogel van 4 of 5 kg toch?
Die vogel overleeft het?
  zaterdag 2 september 2017 @ 22:17:24 #206
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Die vogel overleeft het?
als een vogel dat doet.. Wat doet dan een vliegtuig tegen een gebouw..? Vogel vs aluminium..
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0s.gif Op zaterdag 2 september 2017 19:33 schreef ATuin-hek het volgende:

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And that's a mistake on your part. One being more efficient than the other doesn't mean that the less efficient one does no damage at all.
But I didn't say that.
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0s.gif Op zondag 3 september 2017 09:55 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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But I didn't say that.
You implied that
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0s.gif Op zaterdag 2 september 2017 19:25 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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We could also customise the wrecking ball and empty beercan/fence analogies if you like.

One very small , hollow , thin aluminium ball and the other a hollow , much larger , thicker , steel ball.
We could then test the strength of the balls against a garden fence (made of chicken wire for example) and see which ball would cause and sustain the most significant damage.
Maar waarom maakt het dan verschil of de bal 10m2 aan kippengaas raakt of 100m2?
  zondag 3 september 2017 @ 10:33:07 #210
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0s.gif Op zondag 3 september 2017 09:55 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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But I didn't say that.
So you finally admit that aluminium can damage steel? :o
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0s.gif Op zondag 3 september 2017 10:33 schreef ATuin-hek het volgende:

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So you finally admit that aluminium can damage steel? :o
I've never said it wouldn't so there's nothing to admit.
You're trying to put words in my mouth again.
This is one of the reasons why it's pointless trying to discuss anything with you.
You either don't read my posts properly or you do it deliberately so you can appear as if you are right. Probably both.
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  zondag 3 september 2017 @ 11:46:42 #212
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0s.gif Op zondag 3 september 2017 11:44 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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I've never said it wouldn't.
You're trying to put words in my mouth again.
This is one of the reasons why it's pointless trying to discuss anything with you.
You either don't read my posts properly or you do it deliberately so you can appear as if you are right. Probably both.
Well yes, that is pretty much exactly what followed from several of your statements over the years. Aluminium not being able to go through steel for example.
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1s.gif Op zondag 3 september 2017 11:46 schreef ATuin-hek het volgende:

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Well yes, that is pretty much exactly what followed from several of your statements over the years. Aluminium not being able to go through steel for example.
No.You haven't been reading my posts properly.
'Going through' and superficial damage are two completely different things.
The way you try and twist peoples words is quite desperate and a bit irritating.It's a sign of ignorance not intelligence.
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0s.gif Op zondag 3 september 2017 11:50 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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No.You haven't been reading my posts properly.
'Going through' and superficial damage are two completely different things.
The way you try and twist peoples words is quite desperate and a bit irritating.It's a sign of ignorance not intelligence.
De vleugels zijn niet door het staal gegaan. Dus die discussie is sowieso onzin.
Maar aluminium kan dus staal beschadigen, wat betekent dat als een aluminium voorwerp voldoende massa en snelheid heeft, deze voldoende potentiŰle energie kan bevatten om een stalen kolom te vernielen.
  zondag 3 september 2017 @ 12:18:10 #215
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0s.gif Op zondag 3 september 2017 11:50 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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No.You haven't been reading my posts properly.
'Going through' and superficial damage are two completely different things.
The way you try and twist peoples words is quite desperate and a bit irritating.It's a sign of ignorance not intelligence.
No they are not, just a difference in magnitude.
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1s.gif Op zondag 3 september 2017 10:17 schreef Wantie het volgende:

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You implied that
No. I've always made it very clear that there would be slight damage to the perimeter walls of the buildings, but the 'plane' would not penetrate the building through the steel girders.
You're as notorious as Garden Fence for trying to put words in peoples' mouths.
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Ziet er wel fragiel uit.
Ryanair planes' wings collide at Dublin Airport
https://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1007/650519-ryanair-dublin-airport/

It shouldn't take much imagination to understand what would happen to such a fragile vehicle if it were to collide with a number of steel girders.
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0s.gif Op zondag 3 september 2017 13:16 schreef Tingo het volgende:
Ziet er wel fragiel uit.
Ryanair planes' wings collide at Dublin Airport
https://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1007/650519-ryanair-dublin-airport/
Irrelevant.
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0s.gif Op zondag 3 september 2017 13:16 schreef Tingo het volgende:
Ziet er wel fragiel uit.
Ryanair planes' wings collide at Dublin Airport
https://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1007/650519-ryanair-dublin-airport/

It shouldn't take much imagination to understand what would happen to such a fragile vehicle if it were to collide with a number of steel girders.
Stop nou eens met beweren dat vliegtuigen fragiel zouden zijn. Dat is gewoon totale onzin.
  zondag 3 september 2017 @ 13:21:26 #220
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0s.gif Op zondag 3 september 2017 13:15 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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No. I've always made it very clear that there would be slight damage to the perimeter walls of the buildings, but the 'plane' would not penetrate the building through the steel girders.
You're as notorious as Garden Fence for trying to put words in peoples' mouths.
Which is just a difference in magnitude. You just lack the knowledge and the will to obtain that knowledge to realise that.
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0s.gif Op zondag 3 september 2017 13:15 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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No. I've always made it very clear that there would be slight damage to the perimeter walls of the buildings, but the 'plane' would not penetrate the building through the steel girders.
You're as notorious as Garden Fence for trying to put words in peoples' mouths.
Tja, je geeft dus toe dat aluminium schade jan aanrichten.
Dan is het een kwestie van berekenen hoeveel potentiŰle energie het vliegtuig bevatte toen het de toren raakte en hoeveel nodig is om de stalen kolommen voldoende te beschadigen.
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Stop nou eens met beweren dat vliegtuigen fragiel zouden zijn. Dat is gewoon totale onzin.
Aircraft engineers aren't even allowed to walk on the wings without extreme caution.
In comparison to a huge steel building they are extremely fragile.
Dat jij denkt dat 't 'gewoon totale onzin' vindt, niet mijne probleem is.
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0s.gif Op zondag 3 september 2017 13:16 schreef Tingo het volgende:
Ziet er wel fragiel uit.
Ryanair planes' wings collide at Dublin Airport
https://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1007/650519-ryanair-dublin-airport/

It shouldn't take much imagination to understand what would happen to such a fragile vehicle if it were to collide with a number of steel girders.
Tja, iedereen kan fantaseren.
Maar het gaat hier niet om je inbeeldingsvermogen
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0s.gif Op zondag 3 september 2017 13:29 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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Aircraft engineers aren't even allowed to walk on the wings without extreme caution.
In comparison to a huge steel building they are extremely fragile.
Dat jij denkt dat 't 'gewoon totale onzin' vindt, niet mijne probleem is.
De vleugels zijn niet door het staal gegaan.
Dus dat punt is niet relevant
  zondag 3 september 2017 @ 13:32:18 #225
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Aircraft engineers aren't even allowed to walk on the wings without extreme caution.
In comparison to a huge steel building they are extremely fragile.
Dat jij denkt dat 't 'gewoon totale onzin' vindt, niet mijne probleem is.
The control surfaces are fragile, the wings are not.
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