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0s.gif Op vrijdag 7 juli 2017 08:19 schreef ExtraWaskracht het volgende:
De scheidslijn ligt denk ik eerder tussen gek en gezond van verstand, niet per se langs ideologische lijnen.
Wir schaffen das behoort dan in de categorie gek-krankzinnig.

Gekke Merkel. 8)7
  Overall beste user 2022 vrijdag 7 juli 2017 @ 11:35:55 #227
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Wir schaffen das behoort dan in de categorie gek-krankzinnig.

Gekke Merkel. 8)7
Wat schafft ze niet? De ziektekostenverzekering afschaffen? Oh nee, dat lukt Trump niet.
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
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Nog een opiniestukje over de speech van Trump in Polen:

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The Racial and Religious Paranoia of Trump's Warsaw Speech
When the president says being Western is the essence of America’s identity, he’s in part defining America in opposition to some of its own people.

In his speech in Poland on Thursday, Donald Trump referred 10 times to “the West” and five times to “our civilization.” His white nationalist supporters will understand exactly what he means. It’s important that other Americans do, too.

The West is not a geographic term. Poland is further east than Morocco. France is further east than Haiti. Australia is further east than Egypt. Yet Poland, France, and Australia are all considered part of “The West.” Morocco, Haiti, and Egypt are not.

The West is not an ideological or economic term either. India is the world’s largest democracy. Japan is among its most economically advanced nations. No one considers them part of the West.

The West is a racial and religious term. To be considered Western, a country must be largely Christian (preferably Protestant or Catholic) and largely white. Where there is ambiguity about a country’s “Westernness,” it’s because there is ambiguity about, or tension between, these two characteristics. Is Latin America Western? Maybe. Most of its people are Christian, but by U.S. standards, they’re not clearly white. Are Albania and Bosnia Western? Maybe. By American standards, their people are white. But they are also mostly Muslim.

Steve Bannon, who along with Stephen Miller has shaped much of Trump’s civilizational thinking, has been explicit about this. In a 2014 speech, he celebrated “the long history of the Judeo-Christian West struggle against Islam” and “our forefathers” who “bequeathed to use the great institution that is the church of the West.”

During the Cold War, when the contest between Soviet and American power divided Europe along geographic lines, American presidents sometimes contrasted the democratic “West” with the communist “East.” But when the Cold War ended, they largely stopped associating America with “the West.” Every president from George H.W. Bush to Barack Obama emphasized the portability of America’s political and economic principles. The whole point was that democracy and capitalism were not uniquely “Western.” They were not the property of any particular religion or race but the universal aspiration of humankind.

To grasp how different that rhetoric was from Trump’s, look at how the last Republican President, George W. Bush, spoke when he visited Poland. In his first presidential visit, in 2001, Bush never referred to “the West.” He did tell Poles that “We share a civilization.” But in the next sentence he insisted that “Its values are universal.” Because they are, he declared, “our trans-Atlantic community must have priorities beyond the consolidation of European peace. We must bring peace and health to Africa. … We must work toward a world that trades in freedom … a world of cooperation to enhance prosperity, protect the environment, and lift the quality of life for all.”

In 2003, Bush returned, and in his main speech didn’t use the terms “West” or “civilization” at all. After celebrating Poland’s achievements, he said America and Europe “must help men and women around the world to build lives of purpose and dignity” so they don’t turn to terrorism. He boasted that America was increasing its funding to fight global poverty and AIDS because “we add to our security by helping to spread freedom and alleviate suffering.” And he said “America and Europe must work closely to develop and apply new technologies that will improve our air and water quality, and protect the health of the world’s people.”

Bush’s vision echoed Francis Fukuyama’s. America and Europe may have been further along the road to prosperity, liberty, capitalism, and peace than other parts of the world, but all countries could follow their path. And the more each did, the more America and Europe would benefit. In deeply Catholic Poland, Bush sprinkled his speeches with religious references, but they were about Christianity as a universal creed, a moral imperative that knew no civilizational bounds. By contrast, when Trump warned Poles about forces “from the south or the east, that threaten … to erase the bonds of culture, faith, and tradition,” he was talking not about Christianity but about Christendom: a particular religious civilization that must protect itself from outsiders.

In his 2003 speech, Bush referred to democracy 13 times. Trump mentioned it once. And for good reason. Ideologically, what links the current American and Polish governments is not their commitment to democracy—both are increasingly authoritarian. It is their hostility to Muslim immigration. The European Union is suing Poland’s government for refusing to accept refugees. Among Trump’s biggest applause lines in Warsaw was, “While we will always welcome new citizens who share our values and love our people, our borders will always be closed to terrorism and extremism of any kind.” Given that Trump had linked “our values” to America and Poland’s “tradition,” “faith,” “culture,” and “identity,” it wasn’t hard to imagine whom that leaves out.

When Bush spoke in Poland, America’s leaders still mostly discussed globalization as a process by which America improved the rest of the world. Trump generally discusses globalization—the movement of both goods and people—as a process by which the rest of the world cheats, weakens, and threatens America. In his two speeches in Poland combined, Bush used variations of the word “defend” five times. Trump used them 21 times in a single speech.

The most shocking sentence in Trump’s speech—perhaps the most shocking sentence in any presidential speech delivered on foreign soil in my lifetime—was his claim that “The fundamental question of our time is whether the West has the will to survive.” On its face, that’s absurd. Jihadist terrorists can kill people in the West, but unlike Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union, they cannot topple even the weakest European government. Jihadists control no great armies. Their ideologies have limited appeal even among the Muslims they target with their propaganda. ISIS has all but lost Mosul and could lose Raqqa later this year.

Trump’s sentence only makes sense as a statement of racial and religious paranoia. The “south” and “east” only threaten the West’s “survival” if you see non-white, non-Christian immigrants as invaders. They only threaten the West’s “survival” if by “West” you mean white, Christian hegemony. A direct line connects Trump’s assault on Barack Obama’s citizenship to his speech in Poland. In Trump and Bannon’s view, America is at its core Western: meaning white and Christian (or at least Judeo-Christian). The implication is that anyone in the United States who is not white and Christian may not truly be American but rather than an imposter and a threat.

Poland is largely ethnically homogeneous. So when a Polish president says that being Western is the essence of the nation’s identity, he’s mostly defining Poland in opposition to the nations to its east and south. America is racially, ethnically, and religious diverse. So when Trump says being Western is the essence of America’s identity, he’s in part defining America in opposition to some of its own people. He’s not speaking as the president of the entire United States. He’s speaking as the head of a tribe.
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Volkorenbrood: "Geen quotes meer in jullie sigs gaarne."
  Moderator vrijdag 7 juli 2017 @ 11:47:16 #229
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Wir schaffen das behoort dan in de categorie gek-krankzinnig.

Gekke Merkel. 8)7
En toch doen ze het gewoon in tegenstelling tot de blaaskaak die niets klaarspeelt in positieve zin tot dusverre.
"The enemy isn't men, or women, it's bloody stupid people and no one has the right to be stupid." - Sir Terry Pratchett.
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I Found HanAssholeSolo’s anti-Semitic Posts. Then, the Death Threats Started

Eng verslag. Er lopen een hoop zieke figuren rond, daar in de VS.
Op maandag 3 februari 2014 08:10 schreef Enchanter het volgende:[/b]
In discussie gaan met Koos Vogels :') , een grotere mongool is er niet :r
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Nog een stukje over wat China kan en wil doen aan de nucleaire ambities van Noord-Korea:

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What Can China Do About North Korea?
President Trump says Beijing isn’t doing enough, but it’s difficult to measure the country’s actual influence.

President Trump meets with the leaders of South Korea and Japan Thursday evening to discuss the North Korean crisis. Absent from their dinner is Chinese President Xi Jinping, who Trump has said is key to resolving the impasse over Pyongyang’s nuclear-weapons and missile programs. His absence is reportedly intended to put pressure on Beijing over its perceived inaction on North Korea.

Trump has made China’s role a centerpiece of his North Korea policy. Even before his inauguration, he said Beijing has “been taking out massive amounts of money & wealth from the U.S. … but won’t help with North Korea,” which he has described as “a real threat to the world.” But after meeting Xi at Mar-a-Lago in April, Trump said the Chinese president had convinced him that “it’s not so easy.” Then this week, after North Korea tested what it said was an intercontinental ballistic missile that experts say could reach Alaska, Trump tweeted:
"Trade between China and North Korea grew almost 40% in the first quarter. So much for China working with us - but we had to give it a try!"

Whether or not that figure is reliable, China has more influence on the North Korean leadership than any other nation does. But is that influence is enough to persuade Kim Jong Un, the North Korean leader, to stop testing missiles and nuclear devices?

Chinese experts have long maintained that the West overstates their country’s influence over North Korea, especially in the Kim Jog Un era. They acknowledge that China has economic leverage over Pyongyang, but at the same time point out that China is boxed in because its ultimate goal is a stable North Korea—and because any international pressure could lead to instability on the Korean Peninsula, Beijing is reluctant to take forceful action.

“It is difficult to estimate China’s influence over Pyongyang,” Lu Chao, director of the Border Study Institute at the Liaoning Academy of Social Sciences, a government think tank, told NK News in an interview in 2015. He said that in the era of Kim Jong Il, Kim Jong Un’s father, “the two countries followed the practice of notifying each other on serious issues. But the ties are going through a relative low point, and there seems to be no such practice now.” In an interview in May with the Globe and Mail, Luo reiterated those comments: “Frankly speaking, we are right now at the lowest point in the relationship between China and North Korea.”

Americans who have dealt with Chinese diplomats on North Korea empathize, but say there’s no question China still wields enormous influence on the leadership in Pyongyang.

“I think it’s a fair statement that China is experiencing a significantly different dynamic with Kim Jong Un than with his predecessor, which should be extremely concerning to all of us, and which I think is legitimately concerning to Beijing as well,” said David Pressman, a former U.S. ambassador to the UN for special political affairs during the Obama administration. “I think there was a time when there was more predictability in the relationship between China and North Korea and the leadership of both countries.”

But Pressman, who is now partner at Boies Schiller Flexner LLP, added while China has the “ability to influence” North Korea’s calculus on its weapons programs, “we’re not even seeing a significant effort from Beijing to attempt to do that.” He noted that in early 2016, China was willing to adopt strong sanctions against North Korea at the UN, but “proved systematically prepared to look for excuses to not implement and not force the measures, including the measures that they’ve supported, being implemented.”

Indeed, at the time the UN imposed sanctions—which, among other things, prohibited North Korea’s sale of coal—China insisted on an exemption that permitted Pyongyang to export coal to facilitate the livelihoods of individual North Koreans.

“What the Chinese then proceeded to do with the livelihood exemption was funnel enormous amounts of coal trade under the guise of this exemption,” Pressman said. “So they were prepared to support the political message of banning the export of coal, but they weren’t prepared to deliver in practical terms that would actually make the North Korean regime feel some financial pain. And for sanctions to work, obviously that has to happen.”

The Chinese continued to exploit this loophole until February of this year when Beijing announced that it was halting coal imports from the North—though it continues to import, in small amounts, other commodities from North Korea.

“Unless North Korea starts a war against China or some other country, China will not cut off all trade,” Shi Yinhong, an international relations specialist at People’s University in Beijing, told the Associated Press. “Some [economic] activities are not for making money but for political concerns, so the people in Pyongyang will want to listen to us sometimes when we talk.”

But Trump has argued the stakes in North Korea are too high for diplomacy as usual. The president, in remarks Thursday in Warsaw, said the U.S. would take “pretty severe” steps to retaliate against the North’s latest missile test. It’s that possibility—an unstable nation with a nuclear weapon capable of reaching the U.S.—that most concerns U.S. officials, and indeed the nations surrounding North Korea.

“I think Kim Jong Un is dangerous enough and certainly has the instruments of lethality in his possession that threaten international peace and security,” Pressman said, “such that … no one is going to be comfortable with this man continuing to possess and threaten the world with nuclear weapons.”

Zhang Tuosheng, director at the China Foundation for International and Strategic Studies, said it’s not in China’s interests for North Korea to become a de facto nuclear state. “It will ... be a disaster for China,” he said Thursday at a panel discussion at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) in Washington. He said the goal of international diplomacy should be, first, to freeze North Korea's nuclear program and, ultimately, denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

"We should strive for the best," he said. "We should prepare for the worst."

Zhu Feng, a professor of international relations at Nanjing University, who also spoke at the CSIS panel, was less sanguine about the prospect of persuading Pyongyang to renounce its nuclear program. He said nuclear weapons were the only way for Kim "to magnify how magnificent he is" to the North Korean people.
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Volkorenbrood: "Geen quotes meer in jullie sigs gaarne."
  vrijdag 7 juli 2017 @ 13:40:02 #232
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Donald Trump 'has trouble finding hotel room at G20 summit'
There is no Trump hotel in the city
http://www.independent.co(...)etings-a7827166.html

Lastig een hotel boeken, zeker voor iemand die hotels in zijn portfolie heeft...
  vrijdag 7 juli 2017 @ 13:59:40 #233
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http://www.independent.co(...)etings-a7827166.html

Lastig een hotel boeken, zeker voor iemand die hotels in zijn portfolie heeft...
Is waarschijnlijk onwaar. Zoals een reddit user schreef:

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So I really like exposing indepedent articles for the political pieces of crap they are. They are lazy journalism with half quotes pretending to be realy journalism.

I went back to the buzzfeed article they quoted (they always quote buzzfeed) and then found the previous article in german. This was the article buzzfeed was quoting. Were literally playing telephone here

https://www.welt.de/polit(...)eim-G-20-Gipfel.html

Now if you read the article. Remember this is what Buzzfeed and the Independent are basing there 'incompetent administration' hit pieces on. Youll see it just says they dont know where trump is staying; having no direct source but only asking around hotels. This article was also published more than a week ago. Its very likely the info is out of date or could have changed. Idk why this is continuously allowed to be a reliable source. This is so easy to debunk and the journalism standard of the independent is so lazy. They always take half quotes and spin them into trump hit pieces.

Edit: Im all for good journalism but seriously guys, look at the quote the indepdent has and go back and reread the original article. Always do this with them, there are so many inconsistencies with their work. I was able to prove the same thing with the syrian gas thing a week ago. Theu are lazy journalist who shouldnt be supported.

Edit 2: im surprised how well this is being received. In other news and political boards I cannot critize articles like this without being called some alex jones conspiracy theorist. Its relatively nice
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"We're going to fix the mess that you bureaucrats made!" 8-)
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Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
  Overall beste user 2022 vrijdag 7 juli 2017 @ 14:22:19 #236
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I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
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ABC twitterde op vrijdag 07-07-2017 om 14:11:42 Video shows Pres. Trump, Russian Pres. Putin shaking hands at G-20 summit ahead of their high-stakes meeting today.… https://t.co/9P8t9ONFPe reageer retweet
Juncker duikt als een zielepoot ineen als Trump langszij komt om Putin een hand te geven.



Juncker ziet er al weer aardig bezopen uit :')
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Die gast spoort niet.
Het is gewoon ronduit bizar om te zien hoe onwetend Trump eigenlijk is...
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
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0s.gif Op vrijdag 7 juli 2017 14:23 schreef Nintex het volgende:
ABC twitterde op vrijdag 07-07-2017 om 14:11:42 Video shows Pres. Trump, Russian Pres. Putin shaking hands at G-20 summit ahead of their high-stakes meeting today.… https://t.co/9P8t9ONFPe reageer retweet
Juncker duikt als een zielepoot ineen als Trump langszij komt om Putin een hand te geven.

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Juncker ziet er al weer aardig bezopen uit :')
Waarom deed hij de stoere, mannelijke handdruk waar je normaal gesproken zo'n fan van bent eigenlijk niet?
Hoeren neuken, nooit meer werken.
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10s.gif Op vrijdag 7 juli 2017 14:26 schreef Ludachrist het volgende:

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Waarom deed hij de stoere, mannelijke handdruk waar je normaal gesproken zo'n fan van bent eigenlijk niet?
Nu je het zegt dat zie ik hem steeds minder vaak doen de laatste tijd.
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0s.gif Op vrijdag 7 juli 2017 14:29 schreef Nintex het volgende:

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Nu je het zegt dat zie ik hem steeds minder vaak doen de laatste tijd.
Stuur even een berichtje naar Scott Adams of die het kan duiden voor je, dan wacht ik jouw mening verder even af.
Hoeren neuken, nooit meer werken.
  † In Memoriam † vrijdag 7 juli 2017 @ 14:33:59 #242
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10s.gif Op vrijdag 7 juli 2017 14:26 schreef Ludachrist het volgende:

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Waarom deed hij de stoere, mannelijke handdruk waar je normaal gesproken zo'n fan van bent eigenlijk niet?
Oh, de roeihanddruk?
Carpe Libertatem
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10s.gif Op vrijdag 7 juli 2017 14:33 schreef Boze_Appel het volgende:

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Oh, de roeihanddruk?


Deze totaal normale manier van handenschudden, inderdaad.

Bij Putin geeft hij gewoon een handje en een kneepje in de onderarm waarna hij hem even over zijn rug wrijft. Vandaar dat ik benieuwd was wat een lichaamstaalexpert als Nintex daarover te zeggen had.
Hoeren neuken, nooit meer werken.
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14s.gif Op vrijdag 7 juli 2017 14:36 schreef Ludachrist het volgende:

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Deze totaal normale manier van handenschudden, inderdaad.

Bij Putin geeft hij gewoon een handje en een kneepje in de onderarm waarna hij hem even over zijn rug wrijft. Vandaar dat ik benieuwd was wat een lichaamstaalexpert als Nintex daarover te zeggen had.
Je ziet in het filmpje hoe Trump de hand van Putin schudt en zijn arm pakt en Putin naar hem wijst met zijn vinger zo van: "Jij gaat niet aan mijn arm trekken heh?" :')
FoxNews twitterde op vrijdag 07-07-2017 om 13:53:14 Video shows the first handshake between @POTUS and President Vladimir Putin. https://t.co/RxrhvIu0y9 (Credit:... https://t.co/fel6DRMaIk reageer retweet
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Blijft verbazingwekkend hoe relevant veel mensen iets knulligs als handen schudden achten. :')
Internationale deals zijn geen handjeklap tussen wereldleiders.
Volkorenbrood: "Geen quotes meer in jullie sigs gaarne."
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0s.gif Op vrijdag 7 juli 2017 14:43 schreef Monolith het volgende:
Blijft verbazingwekkend hoe relevant veel mensen iets knulligs als handen schudden achten. :')
Internationale deals zijn geen handjeklap tussen wereldleiders.
Ik heb het dan ook niet per sé over een internationale deal tussen beide landen die hier besproken wordt, ik vind het gewoon grappig om te zien dat Donald bij iedere internationale partner die Amerika heeft probeert om de arm uit de kom te rukken omdat hij dat in Intimidatie voor Beginners gelezen heeft, en op het moment dat dan eindelijk de eerste handdruk met Poetin komt, over wiens regering hij een dag eerder nog had gezegd dat ze hebben geprobeerd de verkiezingen te beïnvloeden, hij opeens over zijn rug gaat wrijven.

Maar je hebt gelijk, op het gebied van beleidsmatige kwesties zal de wijze van handen drukken weinig uithalen.
Hoeren neuken, nooit meer werken.
  Overall beste user 2022 vrijdag 7 juli 2017 @ 15:12:06 #247
3928 Ulx
you aint no punk you punk
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0s.gif Op vrijdag 7 juli 2017 14:43 schreef Monolith het volgende:
Blijft verbazingwekkend hoe relevant veel mensen iets knulligs als handen schudden achten. :')
Internationale deals zijn geen handjeklap tussen wereldleiders.
Alles is relevant.
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
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0s.gif Op vrijdag 7 juli 2017 14:43 schreef Monolith het volgende:
Blijft verbazingwekkend hoe relevant veel mensen iets knulligs als handen schudden achten. :')
Internationale deals zijn geen handjeklap tussen wereldleiders.
In de marges van dit soort bijeenkomsten gebeurd altijd veel meer dan bij de gesprekken zelf.

Voorgaande jaren was er een hevig diplomatiek gesteggel achter de schermen over Syrie en Oekraine om het hele feest om. Er worden juist wel knopen doorgehakt tijdens de diners, onderonsjes en persoonlijke gesprekken. Wereldleider zijn is een eenzaam bestaan, maar weinig mensen snappen dat, logisch dat dat mensen dichter bij elkaar brengt.

In de Koude oorlog zijn we door het oog van de naald gegaan, omdat de Amerikaanse president dacht te weten in welke moeilijke situatie zijn Russische ambtsgenoot zat. Deze erkenning van elkaar is heel belangrijk als het gaat om deals maken en de vrede bewaken.

Het kan ook gruwelijk fout gaan, zoals in Vietnam. Toen de Amerikanen dachten dat ze tegen het wereldwijde communisme vochten, maar de Vietcong de Amerikanen beschouwden als nieuwe bezetters, zoals de Fransen voor hen.

Kijk ook 'The Fog of War' de docu over Robert McNamara die uitgebreid over dit onderwerp spreekt de Secdef tijdens de Vietnam oorlog.
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Wat hebben Vietnam en de Koude Oorlog met als een wezenloze handjes schudden te maken?
"Bleach is healthy. It's mostly water. And we are mostly water. Therefore, we are bleach."
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0s.gif Op vrijdag 7 juli 2017 15:21 schreef OMG het volgende:
Wat hebben Vietnam en de Koude Oorlog met als een wezenloze handjes schudden te maken?
Nontex houdt er van om met onzinnige en irrelevante 'feiten' op de proppen te komen.
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