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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40051640
reddit topic: https://www.reddit.com/r/(...)ed_105_civilians_in/
US air strike on IS killed 105 civilians in Iraq's Mosul
The United States has admitted that at least 105 Iraqi civilians were killed in an air strike it carried out in Mosul in March.
US Central Command (CentCom) said it had targeted two snipers from so-called Islamic State (IS) with what it called a "precision-guided munition".
However, the strike detonated explosives that militants had placed in the building, CentCom said.
Civilians sheltering in the lower floors were killed when it collapsed.
CentCom said the death toll included four civilians in another nearby structure.
Eyewitnesses claimed another 36 non-combatants were also in the building, but US authorities said it had "insufficient evidence to determine their status".
CentCom previously said the planes had acted at the request of Iraqi security forces, as coalition forces attempted to wrest control of the city from IS.
The civilians had gathered in the lower floors of the building after being expelled from their homes by IS fighters, a declassified summary of the report said.
Those organising the strike "could not have predicted the presence of civilians in the structure prior to the engagement," it added.
US officials said the type of bomb was chosen "to minimise collateral damage," but the explosives hidden by IS were at least four times more powerful than the weapon itself.
"Our condolences go out to all those that were affected," Major General Joe Martin said in a statement.
"The coalition takes every feasible measure to protect civilians from harm."
Initial media reports had placed the casualty estimates as high as 200.
Hundreds of thousands of civilians have fled the northern Iraqi city as the operation to reclaim it has continued.
Thousands of Iraqi security forces, Kurdish Peshmerga fighters, Sunni Arab tribesmen and Shia militiamen, assisted by US-led coalition warplanes and military advisers, are involved in the offensive, which was launched in October 2016.
The government announced the full "liberation" of eastern Mosul in January 2017. But the west of the city has presented a more difficult challenge, with its narrow, winding streets.
Iraq has also opened an inquiry into claims that its forces abused and killed civilians in the battle for the city.
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Radical Islamists world-wide use civilians as cannon fodder. They hide their infrastructure in civilian buildings (residences, schools, hospitals, etc.), use them as human shields and when inevitably hit they declare the dead civilians as martyr's and blame it on whomever is fighting them.
Having civilians in those locations is not a tragic mistake; It's purposefully done because it serves as a deterrent to enemy fire, a recruitment tool for their own propaganda and to generate an endless stream of victims they can portray in the media for donations (which go mostly to private bank accounts and to fund more jihadists) from other countries, often from well-meaning but ill-informed Westerners.
TL;DR - This is not a mistake on the ISIS part, this is a business model.
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ISIS used the snipers as bait. They evacuated the civilians from their homes, forced them into this building, and surrounded the building with explosives. They baited the air strikes by placing snipers on the roof, knowing damn well the airstrike would detonate the charges, take down the building, and kill the people inside.
It is awful that these poor people died, but they died because of ISIS playing dirty, not because of the US.
reddit topic: https://www.reddit.com/r/(...)ed_105_civilians_in/
US air strike on IS killed 105 civilians in Iraq's Mosul
The United States has admitted that at least 105 Iraqi civilians were killed in an air strike it carried out in Mosul in March.
US Central Command (CentCom) said it had targeted two snipers from so-called Islamic State (IS) with what it called a "precision-guided munition".
However, the strike detonated explosives that militants had placed in the building, CentCom said.
Civilians sheltering in the lower floors were killed when it collapsed.
CentCom said the death toll included four civilians in another nearby structure.
Eyewitnesses claimed another 36 non-combatants were also in the building, but US authorities said it had "insufficient evidence to determine their status".
CentCom previously said the planes had acted at the request of Iraqi security forces, as coalition forces attempted to wrest control of the city from IS.
The civilians had gathered in the lower floors of the building after being expelled from their homes by IS fighters, a declassified summary of the report said.
Those organising the strike "could not have predicted the presence of civilians in the structure prior to the engagement," it added.
US officials said the type of bomb was chosen "to minimise collateral damage," but the explosives hidden by IS were at least four times more powerful than the weapon itself.
"Our condolences go out to all those that were affected," Major General Joe Martin said in a statement.
"The coalition takes every feasible measure to protect civilians from harm."
Initial media reports had placed the casualty estimates as high as 200.
Hundreds of thousands of civilians have fled the northern Iraqi city as the operation to reclaim it has continued.
Thousands of Iraqi security forces, Kurdish Peshmerga fighters, Sunni Arab tribesmen and Shia militiamen, assisted by US-led coalition warplanes and military advisers, are involved in the offensive, which was launched in October 2016.
The government announced the full "liberation" of eastern Mosul in January 2017. But the west of the city has presented a more difficult challenge, with its narrow, winding streets.
Iraq has also opened an inquiry into claims that its forces abused and killed civilians in the battle for the city.
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Ter nuancering wat reacties Reddit:
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https://www.reddit.com/r/(...)ivilians_in/di1lr2f/
Radical Islamists world-wide use civilians as cannon fodder. They hide their infrastructure in civilian buildings (residences, schools, hospitals, etc.), use them as human shields and when inevitably hit they declare the dead civilians as martyr's and blame it on whomever is fighting them.
Having civilians in those locations is not a tragic mistake; It's purposefully done because it serves as a deterrent to enemy fire, a recruitment tool for their own propaganda and to generate an endless stream of victims they can portray in the media for donations (which go mostly to private bank accounts and to fund more jihadists) from other countries, often from well-meaning but ill-informed Westerners.
TL;DR - This is not a mistake on the ISIS part, this is a business model.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/(...)ivilians_in/di1kf6f/
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ISIS used the snipers as bait. They evacuated the civilians from their homes, forced them into this building, and surrounded the building with explosives. They baited the air strikes by placing snipers on the roof, knowing damn well the airstrike would detonate the charges, take down the building, and kill the people inside.
It is awful that these poor people died, but they died because of ISIS playing dirty, not because of the US.
En zo worden jihadisten geboren.
Much like down syndrom, red hair is a genetic mutation, and it occurs when a human has unprotected sex with a clown.
Voila.quote:
"The only sight worse than a sad dwarf is a very sad dwarf"
"Met dubbel s welteverstaan"
"Met dubbel s welteverstaan"
Maar de Russen en de Syriers zijn de slechten hoor!
One who deceives will always find those who allow themselves to be deceived.
- Niccolo Machiavelli, Chapter XVIII, Il Principe.
- Niccolo Machiavelli, Chapter XVIII, Il Principe.
They wish to cure us. But I say to you, WE are the cure!
"WHAT IF YOU'RE RIGHT AND THEY'RE WRONG?"
R.I.P DTS.
"WHAT IF YOU'RE RIGHT AND THEY'RE WRONG?"
R.I.P DTS.
Flikker op met dit non-topic.
Assad en Poetin hebben al voor veel meer onschuldige doden gezorgd.
Gewoon simpel door elk doel in Syrië te bestempelen als 'terrorist' doel, of het nou een ziekenhuis of een school was, hatseflats..you're a terrorist.
Amerika probeert nog de onschuldigen van de schuldigen te onderscheiden, wat helaas ook niet altijd lukt. Casualties of war.
Maar dat is wat mij betreft altijd nog beter dan de Assad/Poetin aanname dat IEDEREEN schuldig is, of je nou net 1 dag oud bent of niet.
Assad en Poetin hebben al voor veel meer onschuldige doden gezorgd.
Gewoon simpel door elk doel in Syrië te bestempelen als 'terrorist' doel, of het nou een ziekenhuis of een school was, hatseflats..you're a terrorist.
Amerika probeert nog de onschuldigen van de schuldigen te onderscheiden, wat helaas ook niet altijd lukt. Casualties of war.
Maar dat is wat mij betreft altijd nog beter dan de Assad/Poetin aanname dat IEDEREEN schuldig is, of je nou net 1 dag oud bent of niet.
“To destroy a people you must first sever their roots.”
Dan snappen de antiwesten kneusjes het misschien beter idd...quote:Op vrijdag 26 mei 2017 01:42 schreef madam-april het volgende:
De TT moet zijn: 105 burgers dood door valstrik van IS.
'Je gaat het pas zien als je het doorhebt'
'Ieder nadeel heb zijn voordeel'
We zullen je nooit, nooit vergeten
1947-2016
'Ieder nadeel heb zijn voordeel'
We zullen je nooit, nooit vergeten
1947-2016
Echt niet, want Amerika is het 'kwaad' en Poetin de verlossing...quote:Op vrijdag 26 mei 2017 01:54 schreef Red_85 het volgende:
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Dan snappen de antiwesten kneusjes het misschien beter idd...
Plankjes en balken......
“To destroy a people you must first sever their roots.”
Het is gewoon zo'n typische propaganda titel.. Net zoals '10 demonstranten opgepakt bij Pegida demonstratie' als je alleen de titel leest denk je dat er demonstranten van Pegida zijn opgepakt, terwijl het in werkelijkheid juist de tegendemonstranten (AFA en consorten) waren die werden opgepakt.quote:
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Dan snappen de antiwesten kneusjes het misschien beter idd...
Ja godver, er staat toch duidelijk dat niemand wist van aanwezigheid van burgers, men voor de zekerheid nog "zwakke" munitie heeft gebruikt, en de hele tent instortte omdat IS het van boven tot onder vol explosieven heeft gestouwd.
Topictitel kon beter....
Topictitel kon beter....
Het gebruik van menselijke schulden is een bekend fenomeen. De VS kan de volledige verantwoordelijkheid niet van zich afschuiven door even simpel te zeggen "ja maar wisten we niet"quote:
Ja godver, er staat toch duidelijk dat niemand wist van aanwezigheid van burgers, men voor de zekerheid nog "zwakke" munitie heeft gebruikt, en de hele tent instortte omdat IS het van boven tot onder vol explosieven heeft gestouwd.
Topictitel kon beter....
Waarom niet?quote:
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Het gebruik van menselijke schulden is een bekend fenomeen. De VS kan de volledige verantwoordelijkheid niet van zich afschuiven door even simpel te zeggen "ja maar wisten we niet"
Zeer tragisch. Ik hoop dat men hiervan iets kan leren om de volgende keer beter te controleren op burgers die als levend schild worden gebruikt.
And if you listen very hard
The tune will come to you at last
When all are one and one is all
To be a rock and not to roll
The tune will come to you at last
When all are one and one is all
To be a rock and not to roll
De titel had wel anders gekund ja.quote:
Wel mooi dat dan altijd wordt gewezen naar de VS i.p.v. IS
Nou, het is al genuanceerder dan enkel berichten over burgerslachtoffers bij een luchtaanval van de VS.quote:
Flikker op met dit non-topic.
Assad en Poetin hebben al voor veel meer onschuldige doden gezorgd.
Gewoon simpel door elk doel in Syrië te bestempelen als 'terrorist' doel, of het nou een ziekenhuis of een school was, hatseflats..you're a terrorist.
Amerika probeert nog de onschuldigen van de schuldigen te onderscheiden, wat helaas ook niet altijd lukt. Casualties of war.
Maar dat is wat mij betreft altijd nog beter dan de Assad/Poetin aanname dat IEDEREEN schuldig is, of je nou net 1 dag oud bent of niet.
Helaas nog steeds met een stemming makende titel, maar het begin is er.
De waarheid in iemands hoofd is vaak onbuigzamer dan het sterkste staal.
Dit vind ik net zo heftig als Manchester. De dood van Fatima is net zo erg als de dood van mijn moeder.
Het internet staat vol met filmpjes van clusterbombardementen en barrelbombs op woonwijken, door de Syrische en Russische luchtmacht. Het aantal burgerdoden is gigantisch. Maar daar hoor je niemand over. Alleen als Israel of de VS iets naars doen wordt er moord en brand geschreeuwd.
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