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  donderdag 30 maart 2017 @ 15:03:38 #101
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Deze is ook wel "bijzonder"

https://maudoortwijn.com/

https://barracudanls.blogspot.nl/2013/08/paranoia-2.html
https://barracudanls.blogspot.nl/2017/03/achtervolgingswanen.html

PS: meerdere complotten in 1 ;)
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Vroegere heersers waren vrij van slechte daden? Vroeger, toen incest binnen de machtigen nog normaal was en pedofilie ook gewoon werd toegestaan?
Onze tijd is anders, niet te vergelijken met vroegere tijden, door het gemak waarmee mensen over de hele wereld kunnen reizen, met elkaar communiceren, informatie delen, etc. Het boek Openbaring (en ook andere geschriften overigens) spreekt ook over iets wat op wereldse schaal zal gebeuren.
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Screw worldpeace! I want a Pony!
  donderdag 30 maart 2017 @ 15:12:49 #104
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Maud. Die is ervan overtuigd dat George Clooney een geheim agent is die haar in de gaten houdt.
Curiosity cultured the cat
Whadda ya hear! Whadda ya say!
What is any ocean but a multitude of drops?
  donderdag 30 maart 2017 @ 15:13:38 #105
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Ja jongens we weten inmiddels wel dat jullie het kolder vinden. Niks nieuws en enorm voorspelbaar. :D
Als je in discussie gaat met een trol, wint hij. Als je een trol beledigt, wint hij. Als je tekeer gaat tegen een trol, wint hij. Het enige waar trollen niet tegen kunnen, is te worden genegeerd.
  Moderator donderdag 30 maart 2017 @ 15:16:48 #106
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0s.gif Op donderdag 30 maart 2017 15:13 schreef controlaltdelete het volgende:
Ja jongens we weten inmiddels wel dat jullie het kolder vinden. Niks nieuws en enorm voorspelbaar. :D
In plaats van in die slachtofferschulp te kruipen kun je er ook inhoudelijk op in gaan.

Er worden behoorlijk wat links gedeeld over die vrouw op de video bijvoorbeeld, daar reageer je dan helemaal niet op.
  donderdag 30 maart 2017 @ 15:19:50 #107
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Ik vind dat die vrouw wel veel boude aannames maakt.
Curiosity cultured the cat
Whadda ya hear! Whadda ya say!
What is any ocean but a multitude of drops?
  donderdag 30 maart 2017 @ 15:20:45 #108
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Onze tijd is anders, niet te vergelijken met vroegere tijden, door het gemak waarmee mensen over de hele wereld kunnen reizen, met elkaar communiceren, informatie delen, etc. Het boek Openbaring (en ook andere geschriften overigens) spreekt ook over iets wat op wereldse schaal zal gebeuren.
De wereldse schaal was in de tijd dat dit boek geschreven is ook wel wat kleiner.
  Moderator donderdag 30 maart 2017 @ 15:21:03 #109
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0s.gif Op donderdag 30 maart 2017 15:11 schreef Tevik het volgende:

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Onze tijd is anders, niet te vergelijken met vroegere tijden, door het gemak waarmee mensen over de hele wereld kunnen reizen, met elkaar communiceren, informatie delen, etc. Het boek Openbaring (en ook andere geschriften overigens) spreekt ook over iets wat op wereldse schaal zal gebeuren.
Maar hoe is dat anders dan? En wereldse schaal? In Azie is de situatie dus net zoals hier? Of wordt Azie en Australie voor het gemak maar weer buiten de geschriften gehouden?
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Maud. Die is ervan overtuigd dat George Clooney een geheim agent is die haar in de gaten houdt.
Ja, daar heb ik ook staaltjes van gelezen.
En een petitie gezien
https://petities.nl/petit(...)ge-eenling?locale=nl
  donderdag 30 maart 2017 @ 15:25:05 #111
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10s.gif Op donderdag 30 maart 2017 15:12 schreef Copycat het volgende:

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Maud. Die is ervan overtuigd dat George Clooney een geheim agent is die haar in de gaten houdt.
Dat klinkt dan meer als een natte droom
  donderdag 30 maart 2017 @ 15:26:55 #112
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10s.gif Op donderdag 30 maart 2017 15:25 schreef Chewie het volgende:

Dat klinkt dan meer als een natte droom
En dan stond er een foto bij van een man aan de bar van De Jaren die in de verste verte niet op Clooney leek. Maar dat was 'm echt. In vermomming. Fascinerend leesvoer, die blog van haar.
Curiosity cultured the cat
Whadda ya hear! Whadda ya say!
What is any ocean but a multitude of drops?
  donderdag 30 maart 2017 @ 15:29:56 #113
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10s.gif Op donderdag 30 maart 2017 15:26 schreef Copycat het volgende:

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En dan stond er een foto bij van een man aan de bar van De Jaren die in de verste verte niet op Clooney leek. Maar dat was 'm echt. In vermomming. Fascinerend leesvoer, die blog van haar.
Oh my, ze heeft zelfs aangifte gedaan tegen Clooney
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0s.gif Op donderdag 30 maart 2017 15:13 schreef controlaltdelete het volgende:
Ja jongens we weten inmiddels wel dat jullie het kolder vinden. Niks nieuws en enorm voorspelbaar. :D
Ik begrijp het wel, het is ook een eng onderwerp, in zo'n wereld waar dat allemaal gebeurt wil je toch niet leven? Ergens is het dus wel goed voor hen dat ze het belachelijk maken. Helaas spreken heel veel zaken die wel aan het licht zijn gekomen hen wel tegen. De enorme hoeveelheid kp-materiaal die er in omloop is, waarin ook kinderen gemarteld worden, is bijvoorbeeld ook geen CGI. Maar ja, :D :D :D het is allemaal zo leuk. Zolang het onze kinderen/neefjes/nichtjes niet treft.
  donderdag 30 maart 2017 @ 15:42:47 #115
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Ik begrijp het wel, het is ook een eng onderwerp, in zo'n wereld waar dat allemaal gebeurt wil je toch niet leven? Ergens is het dus wel goed voor hen dat ze het belachelijk maken. Helaas spreken heel veel zaken die wel aan het licht zijn gekomen hen wel tegen. De enorme hoeveelheid kp-materiaal die er in omloop is, waarin ook kinderen gemarteld worden, is bijvoorbeeld ook geen CGI. Maar ja, :D :D :D het is allemaal zo leuk. Zolang het onze kinderen/neefjes/nichtjes niet treft.
Dat we de opgevoerde bronnen niet serieus nemen, gezien de beschikbare informatie over deze personen ook niet meer dan terecht, betekend natuurlijk niet dat we het bestaan van kindermisbruik ontkennen.

Dat er KP materiaal bestaat is geen bewijs voor satanische kindermisbruik sektes waar de "elite" massaal lid van is.

Wel jammer dat zoals gewoonlijk de nuance weer eens totaal niet bestaat bij de complotters
  donderdag 30 maart 2017 @ 15:50:37 #116
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0s.gif Op donderdag 30 maart 2017 15:39 schreef Tevik het volgende:

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Ik begrijp het wel, het is ook een eng onderwerp, in zo'n wereld waar dat allemaal gebeurt wil je toch niet leven? Ergens is het dus wel goed voor hen dat ze het belachelijk maken. Helaas spreken heel veel zaken die wel aan het licht zijn gekomen hen wel tegen. De enorme hoeveelheid kp-materiaal die er in omloop is, waarin ook kinderen gemarteld worden, is bijvoorbeeld ook geen CGI. Maar ja, :D :D :D het is allemaal zo leuk. Zolang het onze kinderen/neefjes/nichtjes niet treft.
Die Oranjes kwamen toch ook al op het Ronde Huis back in the day?

Het is de kop in de kont hebben, grappen en grollen en truthers ervan langs geven. Als iemand zijn verhaal doet wegzetten als labiel en een gekkie. Is Toos ook overkomen. Dan kan men met een gerust hart weer naar netflix kijken.
Als je in discussie gaat met een trol, wint hij. Als je een trol beledigt, wint hij. Als je tekeer gaat tegen een trol, wint hij. Het enige waar trollen niet tegen kunnen, is te worden genegeerd.
  Moderator donderdag 30 maart 2017 @ 15:57:49 #117
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0s.gif Op donderdag 30 maart 2017 15:50 schreef controlaltdelete het volgende:

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Die Oranjes kwamen toch ook al op het Ronde Huis back in the day?

Het is de kop in de kont hebben, grappen en grollen en truthers ervan langs geven. Als iemand zijn verhaal doet wegzetten als labiel en een gekkie. Is Toos ook overkomen. Dan kan men met een gerust hart weer naar netflix kijken.
Slachtoffer slachtoffer slachtoffer.

Maar inhoudelijke repliek ho maar. Ga er eens op in dan. Waarom moeten we de woorden van een youtuber zonder bewijs blind geloven?
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Onze individuele meningen doen er niet toe indien er feiten zijn.

Laten we dus feiten zoeken en presenteren.
  Moderator donderdag 30 maart 2017 @ 15:58:59 #119
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0s.gif Op donderdag 30 maart 2017 15:39 schreef Tevik het volgende:

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Ik begrijp het wel, het is ook een eng onderwerp, in zo'n wereld waar dat allemaal gebeurt wil je toch niet leven? Ergens is het dus wel goed voor hen dat ze het belachelijk maken. Helaas spreken heel veel zaken die wel aan het licht zijn gekomen hen wel tegen. De enorme hoeveelheid kp-materiaal die er in omloop is, waarin ook kinderen gemarteld worden, is bijvoorbeeld ook geen CGI. Maar ja, :D :D :D het is allemaal zo leuk. Zolang het onze kinderen/neefjes/nichtjes niet treft.
Niemand hier vindt kindermisbruik of kinderporno leuk. Betrokkenen daarvan mogen de meest pijnlijke dood sterven.

Dat is wat anders dan de raaskallerij van een als paranoide bekend staande vrouw geloven zonder ook maar een kruimel bewijs.
  Moderator donderdag 30 maart 2017 @ 15:59:38 #120
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0s.gif Op donderdag 30 maart 2017 15:58 schreef Ali_Kannibali het volgende:
Onze individuele meningen doen er niet toe indien er feiten zijn.

Laten we dus feiten zoeken en presenteren.
Precies. Zo'n vrouw op youtube valt daar niet onder zolang ze geen bewijs heeft bijvoorbeeld.
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In Portugal zijn 800 getuigenissen naar voren gekomen en meerdere verdachten schuldig bevonden en tot gevangenisstraffen veroordeeld.

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http://www.independent.co(...)le-ring-2070112.html

Guilty after six-year trial, Portugal's high-society paedophile ring
Politicians among abusers who preyed on state-run orphanages

By Jerome Taylor Friday 3 September 2010 23:00 BST0 comments


To most people Portugal's state-run orphanages seemed like a safe haven for thousands of children who had been robbed of their parents. They were called the Casa Pia, or Houses of the Pious.

But for an elite paedophile ring, which included a former ambassador and a prominent television celebrity, Casa Pia orphanages were something entirely different. They were supermarkets stocked with children to abuse. Yesterday, at the conclusion of the longest trial in Portugal's history, seven defendants were convicted of using the orphanages to rape and abuse scores of teenage boys in a case that has sent shockwaves through the country's political elite and raised serious concerns over the efficiency of Portugal's judiciary. Six of the seven were given jail terms of between five and 18 years.

The trial, in Lisbon's top criminal court, is thought to be the largest ever undertaken by Portugal's court system. Over five and half years, more than 800 witnesses, including 32 alleged victims, gave evidence detailing how a paedophile ring used the orphanages to source children for wealthy and influential clients. The sentencing document alone, of which judges spent most of yesterday reading a summary, runs to 2,000 pages.

Two of those found guilty included Carlos Cruz, a popular television chat-show host with 30 years in show business, and Jorge Ritto, a former ambassador once sent home in disgrace from a posting in Germany over allegations that he had been having an improper relationship with a young boy in a park.

Their co-defendants included Carlos Silvino, an orphanage driver who would ferry children to paedophile houses; Joao Ferreira Diniz, a prominent doctor who often deliberately picked out deaf and dumb children; Manuel Abrantes, a former deputy principal at an orphanage; solicitor Hugo Marcal and Gertrude Nunes, the only female defendant who allowed her house to be used by the paedophile ring. The successful convictions, eight years after the paedophile scandal was exposed, is a major victory for Portuguese police, under intense criticism over their handling of the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. One of the lead detectives in the Casa Pia case, Paulo Rebelo, also investigated the Madeleine McCann disappearance after the original lead investigator was sacked. Rebelo and his team of forensic investigators – called "the cleaners" because they leave no stones unturned – are said to have played a pivotal role in securing the convictions.

But the trial was dogged by accusations that witnesses had been intimidated, and allegations that senior politicians turned a blind eye to the abuse to protect friends. Reports that paedophiles were using Casa Pia orphanages to source victims surfaced in the early 1980s but they were swept under the carpet. Teresa Costa Macedo, a senior government official, said she informed the country's then president, General Ramalho Eanes, and provided photographic evidence. But the photographs were "lost" by police and Mrs Macedo said she was also intimidated by phone calls from anonymous callers. "They said they would kill me, flay me and a lot of other things," she recalled.

The current trial began in 2004 after a lengthy investigation started by nine boys who had been at one of the homes in Lisbon accused several people of sexual abuse between 1998 and 2001. Their decision to come forward prompted hundreds more witnesses to speak out and has lead to a tripling in the number of child-abuse investigations across Portugal.

Victims have told investigators that abuse at Casa Pia orphanages – of which there about 10 around the country – occurred as far back as the 1970s but most witness testimonies used for the trial came from victims who were abused during the 1990s. Prosecutors still believe there are more victims out there too scared to talk.

The prosecution's case centred around Silvino, known to the paedophile ring as "Bibi". The 53-year-old confessed to 639 charges relating to the abuse of children or procuring them for others, and testified against the other defendants. He admitted he had used the orphanages to collect victims and delivered them to co-defendants such as Cruz who, Silvino claimed, paid cash.

Cruz has denied the accusations and claimed in press interviews during the trial that he was the victim of prejudice from one of the three judges trying the case. Yesterday the 68-year-old dismissed the verdict built on "lies and manipulation", adding: "This is one of the most monstrous judicial mistakes in Portuguese history."

He and the other defendents are expected to appeal. It is not clear whether the defendants would be jailed with an appeal pending.

Alvaro Carvalho, a psychiatrist who has counselled the victims and was in court with some them yesterday, said they were nervous as they awaited the verdict. "They calmed down when the judge ruled that the crimes were proven," Mr Carvalho told reporters. "In a way, it's society making reparation for what happened to them."

Pedro Namora, a former resident of a Casa Pia orphanage who says he was abused, became a lawyer and played a pivotal role in the prosecution. "These men have to be condemned," he said. "They committed barbarous crimes against humanity."

The scandal that went right to the top

João Ferreira Diniz

A wealthy doctor, Diniz was arrested in January 2003 near his office in Belem, Lisbon. He insisted on his innocence throughout the trial. He has been sentenced to seven years in jail after being found guilty of abusing two children. His accusers claimed they had been abused by him at a house in Elvas, owned by co-defendant Gertrude Nunes.

Jorge Ritto

One of the most high-profile figures to be caught up in Portugal's largest paedophile ring, Ritto was once a career diplomat with a glittering career. He retired in 2002 after serving as Portugal's ambassador to Unesco. During the trial it emerged that he was sent home from a posting in Stuttgart in the early 1980s after allegations surfaced that he had been caught in an "improper relationship" with a boy in a park. He denied all charges in the Casa Pia trial. He was jailed for six years.

Carlos Cruz

Once voted "Portugal's most popular man", Carlos Cruz has spent three decades as one of the country's most recognisable television personalities. The 68-year-old fronted a number of successful shows during his career in the media and famously married a wife who is three decades his junior. He was arrested in 2003. He has repeatedly alleged that his arrest was the result of "a vendetta". Cruz is now facing a seven-year jail sentence.

The trial in numbers

800 witnesses and experts gave evidence in the case.

4,500 people were cared for at Casa Pia homes for children in need.

639 crimes were confessed to by ex-Casa Pia driver Carlos Silvino.

2,000 pages: the length of the sentencing document.

32 victims were identified during the near six-year trial.
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Casa Pia child sexual abuse scandal
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Casa Pia child sexual abuse scandal was a case of child sexual abuses involving a number of children and employees at Casa Pia, a Portuguese state-run institution for the education and support of poor children and under-age orphans.[1] Portuguese Judiciary Police (Polícia Judiciária) officials estimate that more than 100 boys and girls[1] of the 4,600 pupils enrolled in Casa Pia at the time, including some deaf and mute, may have been sexually abused throughout several decades. The scandal involved several prominent men, including TV presenter Carlos Cruz, former Casa Pia governor Manuel Abrantes, and former UNESCO ambassador Jorge Ritto.[2] The trial is one of the longest running in Portuguese history, lasting more than five years, with testimony from more than 800 witnesses and experts.[3]
On 3 September 2010, Carlos Cruz, Carlos Silvino, Hugo Marçal, Manuel Abrantes, Ferreira Diniz and Jorge Ritto were convicted and sentenced to up to eighteen years in prison due to crimes occurring in the late 1990s and early 2000s. This was the first time an institutional sex abuse scandal had been taken to court in Portugal.

Contents [hide]
1 First revelations
2 Second revelations
3 Investigation and trial
4 See also
5 References

First revelations[edit]
Portuguese Judiciary Police (Polícia Judiciária) first accused the caretaker of a Casa Pia state-run children's home in 1981 of raping dozens of children over a period of 30 years, even though some reports of abuse pre-date the 1974 Carnation Revolution. Police accused the perpetrators of supplying children to men from Portugal and other countries, including to some prominent public figures in Portugal.[1] However, these early allegations did not result in any legal action.
Second revelations[edit]

The scandal of alleged sexual abuse at the state-run Casa Pia orphanages resurfaced when several former orphanage children came forward with accusations of abuse. The accusations linked some politicians, diplomats, and media celebrities—all of whom were alleged to have conspired in a paedophilia ring that had operated for decades. The scandal broke in September 2002 when the mother of one alleged victim, known as Joel, complained of abuse by staff at a Casa Pia house.[1]

Former Casa Pia children came forward to publicly accuse several personnel of sexual abuse. The weekly magazine Visão reported that a Portuguese diplomat, Jorge Ritto, was removed from his post as consul in Stuttgart (1969–1971) after German authorities complained to Lisbon about his involvement with an under-age boy in a public park.[4]
Accused were diplomat Jorge Ritto, Carlos Cruz (a Portuguese television presenter), Carlos Silvino (a.k.a. Bibi, an employee of Casa Pia and a former pupil in the institution), Ferreira Diniz (a physician from Lisbon), Hugo Marçal (a lawyer who represented Carlos Silvino in the early stages of the process) and among other individuals, a marine archaeologist.[1]
Secretary of State for Labor and Training from 1999 to 2001, Paulo Pedroso, who was responsible for the Casa Pia homes, which care for some 4,600 children at 10 centers around Portugal, was suspected of 15 cases of sexual violence against minors, which allegedly took place between 1999 and 2000. His case was also subsequently dropped.[1] In September 2008, a Portuguese court ordered the state to pay 100,000 euros ($140,000) to the ex-minister Paulo Pedroso, on the grounds that he was wrongly detained on paedophilia charges.[5]
The Socialist Party leader at the time, Eduardo Ferro Rodrigues, who was a close personal friend of Paulo Pedroso, offered to undergo police questioning after "he had learned of plans to implicate him in the [Casa Pia] scandal". The weekly paper Expresso published a report on 25 May 2003, from four children who said they saw Ferro Rodrigues at locations where sexual abuse was taking place. The paper said there was no evidence he was personally involved and the Attorney General José Souto de Moura insisted he was not a suspect. Ferro Rodrigues took legal action against those who said they saw him at locations where sexual abuse was taking place. Rodrigues has said, "I want it to be clear: our fight will be serene but determined and it is and will only be directed at those who are responsible for this defamation, whatever their objective is."

The Prime Minister at the time, José Manuel Durão Barroso, whose Social Democratic Party ousted the Socialists in March 2002, promised to bring life and honor back into the Casa Pia children's homes and allow new director Catalina Pestana to reform the institution. As a result, several senior staff of Casa Pia were fired after the 2002 revelations. However, Pestana told parliament and the media, as late as 2007, that there may still be paedophiles in the Casa Pia system. She also criticised the legal changes made after the start of the trial, which she claims were made in order to help those who were present to court.[6] These controversial legal changes were partially reverted just before the sentence in September 2010.[7]
The Casa Pia abuse scandal has had the effect of raising public awareness of sexual abuse of children. The number of incidents reported to Portuguese police has soared after the scandal has been revealed.[8]

Investigation and trial[edit]
The Casa Pia child sex abuse trial started in 2004. In 2004, as an arguido involved in the trial, Carlos Cruz published a book of personal reflections, Preso 374.[9] The final allegations, formerly scheduled for 20 October 2008 in Lisbon were postponed several times. The country's justice system, often accused of being excruciatingly slow, is believed by some opinion makers such as journalists and Catalina Pestana (former head of Casa Pia), to be vulnerable to external pressures of well-connected personalities and the possibility of corrupting external interference has been considered a real danger, according to those critics.[6] They feared that even if Carlos Silvino (the Casa Pia driver), whose initial trial had been twice postponed, is found guilty, better-connected abusers might go free.[10]

On 3 September 2010, Carlos Cruz (seven years), Carlos Silvino (eighteen years), Hugo Marçal (six years, two months), Manuel Abrantes (five years, nine months), Ferreira Diniz (seven years) and Jorge Ritto (six years, eight months) were convicted on charges of paedophilia and other crimes occurring in the late 1990s and early 2000s.[11] The full ruling, which allegedly runs to nearly 2,000 pages, was due to be released on 8 September 2010.[2] However, it was delayed several times due to a Microsoft Word glitch.[12][13] On 13 September 2010 the full ruling containing the verdict was released. According to chief prosecutor Miguel Matias, the victims were pleased with the outcome.[2] The court ruling was hailed as a victory by those fighting for Casa Pia children's rights in Portugal, such as Pedro Namora, a former pupil at Casa Pia and now a lawyer who publicly supported the victims, and Catalina Pestana, who was head of Casa Pia during the period when some of the cases were made public in the early 2000s.[14]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casa_Pia_child_sexual_abuse_scandal


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  donderdag 30 maart 2017 @ 16:18:16 #122
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0s.gif Op donderdag 30 maart 2017 16:06 schreef Ali_Kannibali het volgende:
In Portugal zijn 800 getuigenissen naar voren gekomen en meerdere verdachten schuldig bevonden en tot gevangenisstraffen veroordeeld.

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Goed dat het aangepakt wordt toch?
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Het probleem hier is dat er 0 concreet bewijs is, enkel getuigenverklaringen, waarvan er sommigen overduidelijk onzin zijn.
Tell us what you mean, tell us what you mean. He's Jimmy Dean oh oh oh
He's a blue jean boy, he's the real McCoy, but the best for sure, he's the boy next door.
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0s.gif Op donderdag 30 maart 2017 16:20 schreef JimmyDean het volgende:
Het probleem hier is dat er 0 concreet bewijs is, enkel getuigenverklaringen, waarvan er sommigen overduidelijk onzin zijn.
Onwaar. Hierboven nog een zaak waar mensen veroordeeld zijn.
  donderdag 30 maart 2017 @ 16:21:58 #125
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0s.gif Op donderdag 30 maart 2017 16:20 schreef JimmyDean het volgende:
Het probleem hier is dat er 0 concreet bewijs is, enkel getuigenverklaringen, waarvan er sommigen overduidelijk onzin zijn.
Als je het over de zaak in Portugal hebt dan heb je denk ik het stukje over de veroordelingen gemist.
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