Staatsgreep in Turkije #58

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Op woensdag 17 augustus 2016 01:11 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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wat is er met die muts?

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Op woensdag 17 augustus 2016 01:11 schreef Oversight het volgende:

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ik zie alleen maar overeenkomsten eigenlijk.

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Op woensdag 17 augustus 2016 01:12 schreef Oversight het volgende:

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Beperking vrijheid van meningsuiting ?

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Op woensdag 17 augustus 2016 01:13 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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wat heeft dat met het opschorten vd toetredingsonderhandelingen te maken?

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Op woensdag 17 augustus 2016 01:12 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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die mag je mij haar fijn uitleggen dan

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Turkey’s OK of convention four days before coup attempt is bad news for Gülen

The Turkish government’s approval of a European convention just four days before the failed bloody military coup attempt of July 15 could mean more bad news for those involved in the attempt and seeking political asylum in the EU or the United States. That might even include Fethullah Gülen himself, the Islamist preacher living in the U.S. and accused by the government of masterminding the coup.

The documents in question include protocols signed on July 11 by Turkey’s ambassador to the Council of Europe in Strasbourg, Erdoğan İşcan, which make Turkey a full partner to the 1957 European Convention on Extradition. While listing the exceptions of granting political asylum to individuals from other countries, the convention says “the taking or attempted taking of the life of a head of state, or a member of his family, shall not be deemed a political offence for the purposes of this convention.”

The sentence was copied and pasted to the Treaty on Extradition and Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters between the U.S. and Turkey, which was signed in 1979 and entered into force on Jan. 1, 1981.

With the approval of the European Convention, the clause - known in international criminal law as the “Belgian Clause” - has become applicable for the Turkish government both in the U.S. and Europe. A number of soldiers allegedly involved in the coup attempt, which included the kidnapping or even possible killing of President Tayyip Erdoğan and Prime Minister Binali Yıldırım, have already fled abroad. Not only soldiers but a number of allegedly pro-Gülen civilians have also fled - mainly to the U.S. and EU member countries, some of them asking for asylum.

Rıza Türmen, a former judge of the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) and a former deputy in the Turkish Parliament, told the Hürriyet Daily News that the article could be applicable to anyone, including Gülen himself, if he is proven to have been involved in the coup attempt, providing that “evidence showing the link is presented.”

Justice Minister Bekir Bozdağ says 85 boxes of evidence have been given to the U.S. authorities about the activities of Gülen to overthrow the government. Both Ankara and the indictments against Gülen denounce him as the leader of the “Fetullahist Terror Organization (FETÖ).”

President Tayyip Erdoğan says the documents already sent to the U.S. would be enough for extradition and Washington has to make a choice between a “terrorist leader” and long-time U.S. ally Turkey.

U.S. officials say that without solid evidence, Gülen cannot be handed to Turkey for a trial. A U.S. Justice Department delegation is expected to carry out talks in Ankara on the issue next week.

The “Belgian Clause” refers to a treaty between France and Belgium in 1834 following a dispute over an individual who had committed an attack one year before requesting asylum from Belgium. Belgium then issued a law saying something very similar to the 1957 European Convention, which over time became “jus cogens,” or a “peremptory norm,” in international law.

August/17/2016
http://www.hurriyetdailyn(...)102912&NewsCatID=409

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Op woensdag 17 augustus 2016 01:19 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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Turkish PM cools down demands to reinstate death penalty

There are “deaths worse than death” for the plotters of the July 15 coup attempt compared to death penalty, Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yıldırım has said, commenting on a controversial debate on reinstating capital punishment.

“The death penalty is a one-time death, but there are deaths worse than death for the coup plotters. That is an objective and fair judgement,” Yıldırım said in a parliamentary group meeting of the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) in Ankara on Aug. 16, adding that they would not act with the feeling of revenge.

“[U.S.-based Islamic preacher Fethullah] Gülen will come and pay the price. However, we won’t act with the feeling of revenge,” he said, as his speech was cut several times with the audience chanting, “We want the death penalty.”

The debate on the death penalty started after the failed takeover, believed to have been orchestrated by the Fethullahist Terrorist Organization (FETÖ), as President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan defended the idea of reintroducing it, prompting criticism from European Commission Chief Jean-Claude Juncker, who said its reintroduction would lead to the “immediate breaking off of negotiations.”

“If the people want death penalty, I think the political parties will also accept it,” he said in a pro-democracy rally on Aug. 7, to which the leaders of the Republican People’s Party (CHP) and the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP) attended.

Saying the coup plotters aimed to turn people against each other, Yıldırım noted that the people prevented their plans from coming to fruition.

“July 15 once again showed the world how the people and the government that they’ve chosen sided with each other. Our friends were surprised the next morning, because they didn’t expect it. Their mentors had told them, ‘This is over, Tayyip Erdoğan is gone.’ They started to list where the coup plotters made mistakes, rather than condemning the coup. They started to list 10 golden rules for a coup to become successful. Even if you have a hundred golden rules, you have the people against you,” he said, criticizing foreign countries.
During his speech, Yıldırım praised the Turkish media for their work on the night of the failed takeover, saying it resisted the coup plotters while “putting their life at risk.”

“I thank all of our written and visual media organs. They spent a massive effort on the enlightenment of Turkey’s future,” he said, while also thanking lawmakers for not leaving the parliament while the jets used by coup plotters were bombing it on July 15.

Saying the AKP would continue its fight with FETÖ, Yıldırım added that “it’s not an easy task.”

“The organization is not transparent. Their system is closed. It’s not easy to understand what’s going on inside it. We will get rid of them like cancer in a body,” he said.

Erdoğan, meanwhile, told members of the Turkish Bar Association that it was parliament that would make a decision on the issue.

“A parliamentary decision would put an end on the issue, but I don’t know if [parliament] will make such a decision. However, the matter will be discussed by lawmakers since there is such a demand from the public,” he said.

“If terror acts were occurring in any European country, capital punishment would be discussed and a state of emergency would be announced there,” he said.

August/16/2016
http://www.hurriyetdailyn(...)102896&NewsCatID=338

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Op woensdag 17 augustus 2016 01:22 schreef Slayage het volgende:
doodstraf geneuzel wordt verder afgezwakt.

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Op woensdag 17 augustus 2016 01:22 schreef Slayage het volgende:
doodstraf geneuzel wordt verder afgezwakt.

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Op woensdag 17 augustus 2016 01:28 schreef StaceySinger het volgende:

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wat heeft dit met de coup te maken ?

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Op woensdag 17 augustus 2016 01:29 schreef Oversight het volgende:

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Eens.

Goed gespot.

Ik keek er overheen, maar het is laat.

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Op woensdag 17 augustus 2016 01:28 schreef StaceySinger het volgende:

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wat heeft dit met de coup te maken ?

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Op woensdag 17 augustus 2016 01:30 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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alles. maar het is laat. ik begrijp het.

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Op woensdag 17 augustus 2016 01:19 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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ustice Minister Bekir Bozdag says 85 boxes of evidence have been given to the U.S. authorities about the activities of Gülen to overthrow the government. Both Ankara and the indictments against Gülen denounce him as the leader of the "Fetullahist Terror Organization (FETÖ)."

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Op woensdag 17 augustus 2016 01:35 schreef StaceySinger het volgende:

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85 boxes of evidence ?
wat zit er in die 85 boxes dan ?

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Op woensdag 17 augustus 2016 01:39 schreef Slayage het volgende:
OMG

Het grote verborgen geheim van Recep Tayyip Erdogan

De Turkse president, Erdogan, is een meester in het opsluiten van mensen die dingen
over hem publiceren waarvan hij absoluut niet wil dat het publiek dit weet.
Zo is er in 2013 een auteur tot meer dan 29 jaar gevangenisstraf veroordeeld omdat hij een
boek schreef over het grote verborgen geheim van Erdogan.
Het is een bekend gegeven dat wanneer je iets schrijft dat de Turkse machthebbers
onwelgevallig is en dan in het bijzonder de huidige president Erdogan, je grote kans hebt achter
de tralies te verdwijnen.

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Op woensdag 17 augustus 2016 01:35 schreef StaceySinger het volgende:

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85 boxes of evidence ?
wat zit er in die 85 boxes dan ?

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"Boehoe, er zegt iemand lelijke dingen over mij, en mijn geit, onze relatie gaat niemand iets aan, en ze is niet zwanger"

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Op woensdag 17 augustus 2016 01:40 schreef Oversight het volgende:

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Mooi voorbeeld van hoe een democratie niet werkt.

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Op woensdag 17 augustus 2016 01:43 schreef ToT het volgende:

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Dat boeit de meeste van zijn fans absoluut niet. Die geven Erdo hier alleen maar gelijk in.

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Op woensdag 17 augustus 2016 01:37 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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moet je aan de amerikanen vragen die hebben de dozen

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Op woensdag 17 augustus 2016 01:11 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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wat is er met die muts?

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Op woensdag 17 augustus 2016 01:28 schreef StaceySinger het volgende:

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wat heeft dit met de coup te maken ?