Wat is het nut van een hoax?

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Op dinsdag 7 juli 2015 00:06 schreef Terecht het volgende:

Dat er bij een hoax geen slachtoffers hoeven te vallen en het als deelnemer/organistator van die hoax daardoor minder zwaar op je geweten rust is idd een kenmerk dat de andere type complotten niet hebben. Dat lijkt me ook een kenmerk dat in het voordeel van een hoax spreekt.

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Alleen, een hoax organiseren is niet de enige manier om onrust te stoken, de publieke opinie te beinvloeden en bepaalde wetgeving te kunnen doorvoeren. Dat zou je in principe ook met de in de OP omschreven tactieken 1 t/m 3 kunnen doen.

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Overigens, als ik me het verhaal van Wag The Dog nog goed herinner, was het zo dat Robert De Niro in de rol van spindoctor die oorlog op een welhaast nonchalante manier ad hoc bij elkaar verzint. Zou de Kwade Genius dat ook in het echt doen?

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Op dinsdag 7 juli 2015 14:59 schreef RM-rf het volgende:

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maar is er een reeel voorbeeld uit de geschiedenis te noemen waarbij dit zou passen?

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Operation Northwoods – Tricking US Citizens Into War Against Cuba

operation northwoodsIn 1962, the United State government drafted a plan to commit various acts of terrorism and sabotage on American soil for the sole purpose of gaining public approval for a war against Cuba. The plan was known as Operation Northwoods.

By the end of 1960, the Communist party had strengthened its grip on Cuba and their leader, Fidel Castro, was becoming the ultimate authority. Any opposition that formed within the media was immediately stifled through the government’s control of most media outlets.

Castro also surrounded himself with those only loyal to him, such as appointing his brother as the army chief. Castro made sure his people were loyal to the Communist party though various neighborhood spying programs.
The Bay of Pigs

The first attempt to overthrow the Communist regime in Cuba occurred in 1961. This attempt was known as the Bay of Pigs Invasion.
operation northwoods

The Bay of Pigs Invasion was an attempt by a CIA-trained force of Cuban exiles to invade southern Cuba, with support from US government armed forces, in order to overthrow Fidel Castro and his Communist government.

However, by 1961 Cuba had ammassed the second largest military force in Latin America and quickly defeated the exiles within three days.

After this dramatic failure, top military officials created and tried to push through a program called Operation Northwoods. This campaign of deception was described as, “A series of well coordinated incidents will be planned to take place in and around Guantanamo to give genuine appearance of being done by hostile Cuban forces.”
Details of Operation Northwoods

The plan is outlined in great detail in a series of declassified documents. The plan was going to consist of the following:

1. Starting a wide variety of rumors using clandestine radio
2. Staging base attacks using friendly Cuban operatives
3. Staging of base sabotage using friendly Cuban operatives
4. Staging of base riots using friendly Cuban operatives
5. Causing explosions and fires
6. Staging aircraft sabotage using friendly Cuban operatives
7. Faking mortar attacks
8. Staging assaults against bases using friendly Cuban operatives
9. Faking ship sabotage
10. Sinking a U.S. ship with fake funerals and mock victims

operation northwoods
Operation Northwoods was heavily reliant on time due to the fact that top brass wanted to execute the plan before the involvement of the Soviet Union.

Military officials were deeply concerned with Soviet involvement because Cuba had paraded several Soviet tanks during a New Year’s Day parade in 1961. However, the Soviets had not yet established a base in Cuba. Therefore, officials had to execute Operation Northwoods and overthrow the Communist government in roughly three months. This period of time, from start to finish, would give the Soviets little time to react and/or offer any reliable help.

Northwoods Denied by President Kennedy

Though the documents referenced here only seem to outline the plan along with the intended outcomes, further research implies that Operation Northwoods was quickly denied by the Kennedy administration.

In Investigative Reporter James Bramford’s book, Body of Secrets, he claims that, “The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy’s defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership.”

When the average American citizen reads a novel, such as American Hero by Larry Beinhart, or watches a movie such as Wag the Dog, or even hears a “nut job conspriracy theorist” tout his proof about the alleged 9/11 cover-up, he or she is quick to think that our government is not capable of conceiving such ideas.

However, those thoughts are quickly second guessed when actual declassified documents, such as Operation Northwoods, come to light that prove that our government is not only capable conceiving such ideas, but are also capable (and obviously willing) to implement them.

Bron: http://www.topsecretwrite(...)s-trick-us-citizens/

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Op dinsdag 7 juli 2015 15:56 schreef RM-rf het volgende:

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is dat niet eerder een False Flag dan een Hoax?

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Northwoods was gepland als bv het Gleiwitz incident of bv Tongkin Bay, maar was zeker bedoeld als daadwerkelijk plaatsvindende aanslagen of aanvallen op amerikaane doelen, enkel om hiervoor naderhand de cubanen verantwoordelijk te verklaren (en dat als 'excuus' te nemen militaire tegenoperaties te ondernemen )

Gleiwitz of Tongkin hadden inderdaad in scene gezette elementen (een zogenaamd doodgeschoten aanvaller was een vooraf gearresteerde tegenstander die door de Gestapo gedood was en wiens lijk bewust werd achtergelaten als 'doodgeschoten aanvaller') of vonden vermoedelijk in zn geheel niet plaats (bij Tongkin heeft er nooit een aanval plaatsgevonden, enkel het amerikaanse schip schoot terug en stuurde een melding 'dat ze aangevallen waren')

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The plan is outlined in great detail in a series of declassified documents. The plan was going to consist of the following:

1. Starting a wide variety of rumors using clandestine radio
2. Staging base attacks using friendly Cuban operatives
3. Staging of base sabotage using friendly Cuban operatives
4. Staging of base riots using friendly Cuban operatives
5. Causing explosions and fires
6. Staging aircraft sabotage using friendly Cuban operatives
7. Faking mortar attacks
8. Staging assaults against bases using friendly Cuban operatives
9. Faking ship sabotage
10. Sinking a U.S. ship with fake funerals and mock victims

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Op dinsdag 7 juli 2015 16:00 schreef jogy het volgende:

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. Oké, het komt niet verder dan de papieren versie maar toch een mooi voorbeeld dat het conceptueel aanwezig was bij de mensen met macht in die tijd.

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Op dinsdag 7 juli 2015 20:10 schreef jogy het volgende:

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De low budget versie inderdaad.

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Army 'psyops' at CNN
News giant employed military 'psychological operations' personnel
Posted: March 03, 2000
1:00 am Eastern

CNN employed active duty U.S. Army psychological operations personnel last year, WorldNetDaily has confirmed through several sources at Fort Bragg and elsewhere.

Maj. Thomas Collins, U.S. Information Service has confirmed that "psyops" (psychological operations) personnel, soldiers and officers, have worked in the CNN headquarters in Atlanta. The lend/lease exercise was part of an Army program called "Training With Industry." According to Collins, the soldiers and officers, "... worked as regular employees of CNN. Conceivably, they would have worked on stories during the Kosovo war. They helped in the production of news."

When asked if the introduction of military personnel into a civilian news organization was standard operating procedure, one source said, "That question is above my pay grade ... but I hope so. It's what we do."

The CNN military personnel were members of the Airmobile Fourth Psychological Operations Group, stationed at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. One of the main tasks of this group of almost 1200 soldiers and officers is to spread 'selected information.' Critics say that means dissemination of propaganda.

Cable News Network suffered a major embarrassment in the wake of the 'Tailwind' story it aired, alleging the U.S. government used lethal sarin gas to kill suspected defectors during the Vietnam war. After WorldNetDaily was the first news organization to expose the fraudulent news production, two CNN producers were fired and, eventually, CNN veteran reporter Peter Arnett also was ousted. In that case, Retired Air Force Maj. Gen. Perry Smith quit his long-time job as a military adviser to CNN.

What about now? Has the U.S. military been in a position to have influenced directly CNN's news reports about the crisis in Kosovo?

Collins claims a "handful" of military assets were assigned to CNN for weeks "to get to know the company and to broaden their horizons." The Major asserts "they didn't work under the control of the army."

Several sources have confirmed the temporary outplacement of U.S. Army psyops personnel started two or three years ago, and they have been integrated into "various sectors of society." The assignment durations have been short-term up to one full year, depending on the mission. When asked, "What were the missions?" responses to WND varied from "No comment.", "... need to know," to smiles, and, in one case, an obscene recommendation.

CNN is the most watched and widely viewed news outlet in the world. During Operation Desert Storm, Saddam Hussein regularly watched CNN for battlefield intelligence. The symbiotic, intimate relationship between CNN and army psyops specialists has raised many eyebrows, with critics saying it raises doubts about CNN's journalistic integrity and independence.

The Fourth Psyop Group has been involved in the Gulf War, the Bosnian War and the Kosovo crisis. American psyops troops attempt to influence media and public opinion in armed conflicts in which American state interests are said to be at stake.

News coverage of the war in Kosovo, by CNN and other media, has been criticized as "one-sided, overly emotional, over-simplified and relying too heavily on NATO officials," observed a report from the Netherlands.

CNN has not thus far commented officially on the allegations. Megan Mahoney, a CNN spokeswoman recently said, "I don't believe that we would employ military personnel; it doesn't seem like something we would normally do." However, now that the U.S. Army Information Service has confirmed the news, Mahoney said she would have to contact CNN's senior officials

Bron: http://www.wnd.com/2000/03/4056/

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Let us take just one example of how current technologies could be used for strategic-level information warfare.

If, say, the capabilities of already well-known Hollywood technologies to simulate reality were added to our military arsenal, a genuinely revolutionary new form of warfare would become possible. Today, the techniques of combining live actors with computer-generated video graphics can easily create a "virtual" news conference, summit meeting, or perhaps even a battle that would exist in "effect" though not in physical fact.

Stored video images can be recombined or "morphed" endlessly to produce any effect chosen. This moves well beyond traditional military deception, and now, perhaps, "pictures" will be worth a thousand tanks.

Imagine the effect of a nationwide broadcast in banditland of the meeting between the "digitized" maximum leader and a "digitized" Jimmy Carter in which all loyal soldiers are told to cease fighting and return to their homes.

The targets of information warfare, remember, are the decisions in the opponent's mind, and the battlespace of the human mind is also the zone of illusion.

Bron: http://www.iwar.org.uk/iwar/resources/airchronicles/stein.htm

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Op dinsdag 7 juli 2015 21:47 schreef Terecht het volgende:

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Dat is nu juist géén bedrog. Dat hotel waar die reporter zit ziet er gewoon echt zo uit.
https://www.metabunk.org/(...)f-war-reports.t1140/

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Op dinsdag 7 juli 2015 22:11 schreef Terecht het volgende:

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Of dat (hotel)alarm was echt en die raketgeluiden ook. Dat de crew tussen de opnames door loopt te geinen is ook al weinig bijzonder ("boobies!"). Je hebt gewoon wat op je mouw laten spelden, J0kkebr0k.

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Op dinsdag 7 juli 2015 22:32 schreef Terecht het volgende:

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Probleem gelokaliseerd: je eigen ervaring als maat der dingen nemen.

Over dat geinen zei Charles Jako:

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Dat er scud raketten op dat gebied werden afgevuurd is gerapporteerd:
http://www.nytimes.com/19(...)acks-killing-27.html
https://www.metabunk.org/(...)40/page-2#post-61812
Er kwamen scud raketten neer nog geen 3 mijl van het hotel. Er was kortom geen enkele reden om dit alles in scene te zetten, want het gebeurde daadwerkelijk.