Crisis Oekraïne - Rusland #208 met weinig nieuwe ontwikkelingen

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Op maandag 22 juni 2015 21:00 schreef DUTCHKO het volgende:

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Ja en de Oekraine is failliet dus ra ra hoe komen ze aan al dat geld om dit te kopen...

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Op maandag 22 juni 2015 21:00 schreef DUTCHKO het volgende:

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Ja en de Oekraine is failliet dus ra ra hoe komen ze aan al dat geld om dit te kopen...

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Op maandag 22 juni 2015 21:01 schreef sp3c het volgende:

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rijke westerlingen misschien wel he

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Op maandag 22 juni 2015 21:00 schreef Straatcommando. het volgende:

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Wat dutchko zegt kan kloppen, dat er wat rijke oligarchen "meehelpen"

Zoals dat ook in Syrië en Irak gebeurt.

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Op maandag 22 juni 2015 20:57 schreef DUTCHKO het volgende:

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Dit is dus gewoon gokken van jouw kant. Misschien worden ze wel gefincieerd door zeer rijke Russen en dan kan het wel degelijk.

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Op maandag 22 juni 2015 20:55 schreef sp3c het volgende:

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veel plezier

https://www.icrc.org/appl(...)36E9C12563CD0051DC30

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Op maandag 22 juni 2015 21:06 schreef Solstice1 het volgende:

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Dank je. Ik vraag me af hoeveel ze er zich van aantrekken eerlijk gezegd. Kan me voorstellen dat je je prioriteiten wat verlegd als je land binnengevallen wordt.

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Op maandag 22 juni 2015 20:57 schreef sp3c het volgende:

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denk ook/vooral eens aan de hoeveelheden munitie, dat groeit daar niet aan de bomen ofzo ... aan beide kanten van de grens niet

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Op maandag 22 juni 2015 21:17 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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Een groot deel van de munitie van het voormalige Warschau pact werd in Oekraine opgeslagen toen de Sovjet troepen zich terugtrokken uit Oost Duitsland, Polen etc... Twee miljoen ton munitie, wat ongeveer overeen komt met wat de VS en GB in de tweede wereldoorlog in Europa gedropt hebben. Verder waren er minstens 7 miljoen lichte wapens en 10000 MANPADS. De voorraad was zo groot dat Oekraine nooit een volledige lijst heeft kunnen opstellen.

Oa de VS betaalde voor het vernietigen van die munitie, maar slechts een klein deel ervan is effectief uitgevoerd.

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Obama als senator op bezoek in Donetsk...

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Op maandag 22 juni 2015 21:17 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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Een groot deel van de munitie van het voormalige Warschau pact werd in Oekraine opgeslagen toen de Sovjet troepen zich terugtrokken uit Oost Duitsland, Polen etc... Twee miljoen ton munitie, wat ongeveer overeen komt met wat de VS en GB in de tweede wereldoorlog in Europa gedropt hebben. Verder waren er minstens 7 miljoen lichte wapens en 10000 MANPADS. De voorraad was zo groot dat Oekraine nooit een volledige lijst heeft kunnen opstellen.

Oa de VS betaalde voor het vernietigen van die munitie, maar slechts een klein deel ervan is effectief uitgevoerd.

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Obama als senator op bezoek in Donetsk...

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Op maandag 22 juni 2015 21:41 schreef Straatcommando. het volgende:

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Zie je serieus niet dat dit een fotoshop is ?

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Lugar and Obama Urge Destruction of Conventional Weapons Stockpiles

Tuesday, August 30, 2005

DONETSK, Ukraine – U.S. Senators Dick Lugar (R-IN) and Barack Obama (D-IL) called for the immediate destruction of 15,000 tons of ammunition, 400,000 small arms and light weapons, and 1,000 man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS) or shoulder missile launchers that are often sought by terrorists.

Lugar and Obama toured the Donetsk State Chemical Production Plant, a conventional weapons destruction facility where the U.S. has taken the lead in a three-year NATO program to destroy the weapons. Another 117,000 tons of ammunition and 1.1 million small arms and light weapons are slated for destruction within 12 years.

So far, the U.S. has contributed $2.1 million to the project, and Austria, Bulgaria, Luxembourg, Lithuania, Netherlands, Norway, Slovakia, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom have contributed $1.2 million.

While the destruction is ready to begin, the Ukrainian Rada (parliament) first must pass a law exempting the foreign assistance from taxation. Lugar and Obama discussed this issue with Rada Speaker Volodymyr Lytvyn, Prime Minister Yuliya Tymoshenko and President Viktor Yushchenko in meetings yesterday. All three leaders indicated they would promote action before the March 2006 parliamentary elections.

The visit underscores the importance of legislation Lugar and Obama have authored that would commit additional U.S. resources and expand authorities in cooperative threat reduction of conventional weapons around the world. The bill is part of the Foreign Relations Authorization Bill that is pending in the Senate and will be introduced as a free-standing bill by the senators this fall.

“We discussed MANPADS, landmines and other very highly dangerous explosives. Ukraine has huge stockpiles leftover from previous times that are dangerous to people of this country as well as the possibility for proliferation to other countries,” Lugar said. “We are working to obtain funds to secure and destroy these weapons in cooperative threat reduction. We are encouraging the U.S. and Ukraine to work together and to obtain more funds. We came here to see the problem and the solution with our own eyes.”

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Op maandag 22 juni 2015 21:25 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:
Sommige lieden hier houden dus echt vol dat de Russen niet actief zijn in Oost-Oekraine?

We zijn weer bij het begin.

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By bullying Russia and vexing China, the US is hastening the demise of the dollar's hegemony, Dr. Ron Paul underscores, adding that Moscow's patience is not infinite.
The United States is desperately trying to maintain its role as a global hegemon in the unipolar world, hoping that it will continue dictating foreign policy and shaping monetary system, while its "clients" will "dutifully carry out instructions," former Republican congressman and two-time US presidential candidate Ron Paul emphasizes.

"With the IMF's recent statement pledging its full and unconditional support to Ukraine, it has become even more clear that the IMF and other major multilateral institutions are not blindly technical organizations, but rather are totally subservient lackeys to the foreign policy agenda emanating from Washington," Dr. Ron Paul stressed.

However, although Washington has surrounded itself with its complaisant allies, the first cracks are beginning to appear in the present world order.

"The existence of Russia and China is a stark reminder" of the fact that the world is not unipolar, and it irritates Washington a lot. The US leadership behaves "like a petulant child flying into a tantrum," when Russia steps in to protect its own national interests.

Remarkably, the existence of a country that refuses to bow to Washington's demands is viewed by the US as an "unforgivable sin."
In order to restrain Moscow the Obama administration is toughening economic sanctions against Russia. Meanwhile Washington's Western allies have even gone so far as to freeze Russian state assets in their countries, provoking justified anger from the Russian government.
"For decades, the United States has benefited as the creator and defender of the world's reserve currency, the dollar. This has enabled Americans to live beyond their means as foreign goods are imported to the US while increasingly-worthless dollars are sent abroad. But is it any wonder after 70-plus years of a depreciating dollar that the rest of the world is rebelling against this massive transfer of wealth?" the former congressman asked.

According to Ron Paul, Moscow and Beijing pose a substantial threat to the dollar domination, since they have the opportunity and the motivation to establish "a gold-backed" monetary system, that would obviously undermine the dollar's positions.
Russia's patience is not endless, Dr. Paul warns. By bullying Russia and vexing China Washington may cut its own throat, hastening the collapse of the present world order based on the Bretton Woods monetary system.
"The end result of this needless bullying by the United States will hasten the one thing Washington fears the most: a world monetary system in which the US has no say and the dollar is relegated to playing second fiddle," the former congressman warned.

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NATO-Russia Collision Ahead?

"U.S. Poised to Put Heavy Weaponry in East Europe: A Message to Russia," ran the headline in The New York Times.

"In a significant move to deter possible Russian aggression in Europe, the Pentagon is poised to store battle tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and other heavy weapons for as many as 5,000 American troops in several Baltic and Eastern European countries," said the Times. The sources cited were "American and allied officials."

The Pentagon's message received a reply June 16. Russian Gen. Yuri Yakubov called the U.S. move "the most aggressive step by the Pentagon and NATO since the Cold War." When Moscow detects U.S. heavy weapons moving into the Baltic, said Yakubov, Russia will "bolster its forces and resources on the western strategic theater of operations."

Specifically, Moscow will outfit its missile brigade in Kaliningrad, bordering Lithuania and Poland, "with new Iskander tactical missile systems." The Iskander can fire nuclear warheads.

The Pentagon and Congress apparently think Vladimir Putin is a bluffer and, faced by U.S. toughness, will back down.

For the House has passed and Sen. John McCain is moving a bill to provide Ukraine with anti-armor weapons, mortars, grenade launchers and ammunition. The administration could not spend more than half of the $300 million budgeted, unless 20 percent is earmarked for offensive weapons.

Congress is voting to give Kiev a green light and the weaponry to attempt a recapture of Donetsk and Luhansk from pro-Russian rebels, who have split off from Ukraine, and Crimea, annexed by Moscow.

If the Pentagon is indeed moving U.S. troops and heavy weapons into Poland and the Baltic States, and is about to provide arms to Kiev to attack the rebels in East Ukraine, we are headed for a U.S.-Russian confrontation unlike any seen since the Cold War.

And reconsider the outcome of those confrontations.

Lest we forget, while it was Khrushchev who backed down in the Cuban missile crisis, President Eisenhower did nothing to halt the crushing of the Hungarian rebels, Kennedy accepted the Berlin Wall, and Lyndon Johnson refused to lift a finger to save the Czechs when their "Prague Spring" was snuffed out by Warsaw Pact tank armies.

Even Reagan's response to the crushing of Solidarity was with words not military action.

None of these presidents was an appeaser, but all respected the geostrategic reality that any military challenge to Moscow on the other side of NATO's Red Line in Germany carried the risk of a calamitous war for causes not justifying such a risk.

Yet we are today risking a collision with Russia in the Baltic States and Ukraine, where no vital U.S.
interest has ever existed and where our adversary enjoys military superiority.

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In Washington, Congressional hawks are primed to show Putin who is truly tough. But in shipping weapons to Ukraine and sending U.S. troops and armor into the Baltic States, they have behind them a divided nation and a NATO alliance that wants no part of this confrontation.

Unlike the Cuban missile crisis, it is Russia that has regional military superiority here, and a leader seemingly prepared to ride the escalator up right alongside us.

Are we sure it will be the Russians who blink this time?

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Op maandag 22 juni 2015 21:02 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:

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Het is een redelijk veilige gok, daar veel materieel al is geïdentificeerd als zijnde Russisch.

Bovendien heeft Rusland de Krim al geannexeerd, dus we weten dat Poetin niet schroomt om tot actie over te gaan.

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Op maandag 22 juni 2015 21:25 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:
Sommige lieden hier houden dus echt vol dat de Russen niet actief zijn in Oost-Oekraine?

We zijn weer bij het begin.

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Op maandag 22 juni 2015 22:34 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:
Het is goed met je, Lenin.

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Op maandag 22 juni 2015 22:36 schreef ZOA het volgende:

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Je weet dat Lenin op dezelfde manier aan de macht kwam als Poroshenko in Oekraine?

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Op maandag 22 juni 2015 22:09 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:
Pat Buchanan:

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http://www.creators.com/o(...)ollision-ahead-.html

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Op maandag 22 juni 2015 22:41 schreef BEFEM het volgende:

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Lenin verloor de verkiezingen en greep toen met geweld de macht. Poroshenko heeft geen verkiezing verloren.

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Op maandag 22 juni 2015 21:46 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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Wat?
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http://www.handelszeitung(...)enlieferungen-759215

http://www.dailymail.co.u(...)issiles-Ukraine.html

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http://fas.org/asmp/campaigns/MANPADS/2005/LugarObama.htm