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Fukushima staat voor nieuwe'noodsituatie'
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Fukushima staat voor nieuwe 'noodsituatie'

De beschadigde Japanse kerncentrale van Fukushima staat voor een nieuwe 'noodsituatie', veroorzaakt door een ophoping van radioactief grondwater.

Daarvoor waarschuwde de Japanse toezichthouder op kerncentrales maandag.

Een afsluiting die het besmette grondwater in toom zou moeten houden, vertoont alweer gebreken. Volgens de nucleaire waakhond kan de hoeveelheid radioactief water dat in de oceaan sijpelt, hierdoor in rap tempo toenemen.

Er is sprake van een stortvloed aan lekken en stroomuitvallen in de kerncentrale, die in 2011 verwoest werd door een aardbeving en een daaropvolgende tsunami.

http://www.nu.nl/buitenla(...)we-noodsituatie.html
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There is no way to stop Fukushima radioactive water leaking into the Pacific

ES: Is there anything that can be done with that, I mean with the ocean?

AG: Frankly, I don’t believe so. I think we will continue to release radioactive material into the ocean for 20 or 30 years at least

http://fairewinds.org/med(...)ing-into-the-pacific
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TV: Very likely some of Fukushima’s melted cores have moved into the earth — “It’s beyond containment right now”

“Japan Gov’t in Chaos”: Completely out o control at Fukushima
Melted reactor cores contaminating Pacific with full range of radioactive material

http://enenews.com/tv-ver(...)ment-right-now-video

Het
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motiooooooon.

Weinig sceptici in dit topic te vinden btw.
Nog steeds geen sprake van 'n ruim 2 jr durende cover up ? Media Black out ?
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We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes.
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  zondag 11 augustus 2013 @ 08:26:57 #254
121348 Erasmo
f/8 and be there.
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Ik lurk meer :P

Dat er niet zoveel nieuws is is logisch, want het is niet alleen ver van m'n bed maar om ieder keer het aantal kuub te vermelden wat gelekt is heeft ook niet zoveel meerwaarde.
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0s.gif Op zondag 11 augustus 2013 08:26 schreef Erasmo het volgende:
Ik lurk meer :P

Dat er niet zoveel nieuws is is logisch, want het is niet alleen ver van m'n bed maar om ieder keer het aantal kuub te vermelden wat gelekt is heeft ook niet zoveel meerwaarde.
Voor alle slapende schapen zal het wel ver van hun bed zijn idd. Maar water is overal, vroeg of laat is iedereen de lul.
Meldden ze maar wat er lekt, de NOS heeft nog steeds koppen ach, bij deze hoeveelheden Cesium is er echt geen gevaar e.d. , geen woord over de andere isotopen. Alles onder controle, in cold shut down. Criminele cover up. De massa neemt het maar wat graag over, dan is er ook niks om je zorgen over te maken he ?

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Tepco: We’ve known for 2 years that massive amount of water flows under Fukushima plant — Official “unable to explain” why they kept secret
http://enenews.com/tepco-(...)as-kept-secret-video
Nou maar de sceptici hier kunnen dat vast wel, heb gister topics nog ff teruggelezen, d'r was n.b. 'n user die meende dat er nooit n meltdown heeft plaatsgevonden.
We must guard against the aquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes.
Eisenhower1961.
  Moderator zondag 11 augustus 2013 @ 12:31:34 #256
249559 crew  Lavenderr
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0s.gif Op zondag 11 augustus 2013 12:24 schreef Resonancer het volgende:

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Voor alle slapende schapen zal het wel ver van hun bed zijn idd. Maar water is overal, vroeg of laat is iedereen de lul.
Meldden ze maar wat er lekt, de NOS heeft nog steeds koppen ach, bij deze hoeveelheden Cesium is er echt geen gevaar e.d. , geen woord over de andere isotopen. Alles onder controle, in cold shut down. Criminele cover up. De massa neemt het maar wat graag over, dan is er ook niks om je zorgen over te maken he ?

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Nou maar de sceptici hier kunnen dat vast wel, heb gister topics nog ff teruggelezen, d'r was n.b. 'n user die meende dat er nooit n meltdown heeft plaatsgevonden.
Soms hebben mensen liever oogkleppen op dan te dealen met de harde realiteit.
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0s.gif Op zaterdag 10 augustus 2013 23:02 schreef Resonancer het volgende:

Nog steeds geen sprake van 'n ruim 2 jr durende cover up ? Media Black out ?
Nee :?
Conscience do cost.
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0s.gif Op zondag 11 augustus 2013 13:27 schreef ems. het volgende:

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Nee :?
Volgens jou niet dus ?
Wat is er dan de oorzaak van dat de media steevast achter de feiten aanloopt (en niet 'n klein btje maar meer dan 2 jr) , tuurlijk Tepco doet het alles aan om de boel te vertragen maar geen enkele overheid die 'n btje druk zet.

Waarom dan koppen als deze als je geen idee hebt hoe het ervoor staat:
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Energiedeskundige Turkenburg: situatie nog niet heel ernstig
http://nos.nl/video/53718(...)et-heel-ernstig.html
Denk dat ik in de diverse topics meer dan genoeg vb en heb gegeven die aantonen dat er 'n grote coverup gaande is.

Nog n vb:



Wat n toeval dat de waarden net na Fukushima lager ipv hoger werden, men zou toch niet de apparatuur "gesaboteerd"hebben.
We must guard against the aquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes.
Eisenhower1961.
  zondag 11 augustus 2013 @ 17:12:25 #259
172669 Papierversnipperaar
Cafeïne is ook maar een drug.
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0s.gif Op zondag 11 augustus 2013 17:01 schreef Resonancer het volgende:

Nog n vb:

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Wat n toeval dat de waarden net na Fukushima lager ipv hoger werden, men zou toch niet de apparatuur "gesaboteerd"hebben.
Aangezien na een grote aardbeving een hoop spanning uit de aardkorst verdwijnt, zou dit gewoon kunnen, hoor.
Free Assange! Hack the Planet
[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
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0s.gif Op zondag 11 augustus 2013 17:01 schreef Resonancer het volgende:

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Volgens jou niet dus ?
Wat is er dan de oorzaak van dat de media steevast achter de feiten aanloopt (en niet 'n klein btje maar meer dan 2 jr) , tuurlijk Tepco doet het alles aan om de boel te vertragen maar geen enkele overheid die 'n btje druk zet.
Het is een eigenschap van de media om achter de feiten aan te lopen. Ze hebben immers geen voorspellende gaven.
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Waarom dan koppen als deze als je geen idee hebt hoe het ervoor staat:
Ongetwijfeld is er ergens een adres waar je dat kan vragen. Waarom doe je dat niet eens? Ben wel benieuwd naar het antwoord :)

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Denk dat ik in de diverse topics meer dan genoeg vb en heb gegeven die aantonen dat er 'n grote coverup gaande is.
Nuh.
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Nog n vb:

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Wat n toeval dat de waarden net na Fukushima lager ipv hoger werden, men zou toch niet de apparatuur "gesaboteerd"hebben.
Heb je daar enig bewijs voor of is het gewoon weer tijd om in de wilde weg aannames te maken?
Conscience do cost.
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7s.gif Op zondag 11 augustus 2013 17:12 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Aangezien na een grote aardbeving een hoop spanning uit de aardkorst verdwijnt, zou dit gewoon kunnen, hoor.
Maar dat is toch niet wat die grafiek weergeeft ?

Om het in 'n context te plaatsen:

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MR. SHARON: This is Brian Sharon. Quick question, well, not question, but I’ve gotten a couple of emails here today, from some of the National Labs, and they’re all — there are a couple of them chomping a the bit, you know, saying, “Ghee, can we help? Ghee, can we go calculate this,” with the codes and all that stuff.

I keep telling them, “No, you don’t know the scenario,” but you know, somebody might want to call DOE and tell them to tell their labs to cool it, because the last thing we want is the labs going off, talking to the press, talking about consequences and all sorts of other stuff, because you know, they’re chomping at the bit, to do something, and I’m not sure, Eliot, maybe you’ve got a point of contact up there at DOE?

http://enenews.com/nrc-we(...)s-about-consequences
Men wilde graag helpen maar dat mocht niet, terwijl het zo hard nodig was:

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Many of the RadNet stations across the US were either out of service or not transmitting information to the public during and after the Fukushima disaster. In the days and weeks to follow, many of those same stations continued to supply either no or bogus data. And a review of the EPA RadNet website shows that the normal quarterly reports of station data have not been published since 2009

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/032525_EPA_RadNet.html#ixzz2bgd42JcW
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The NRC directive put commercial nuclear power plant owners in charge of voluntarily providing the public with radiation monitoring data but it would be run through their nuclear industry lobbyists before it would then be provided to the NRC. Raw data was not provided directly to the NRC. Considering the massive US nuclear industry offensive to flood the media with propaganda downplaying the Fukushima nuclear disaster, they are hardly a reliable source to tell the public what the radiation levels are.

RadNet itself had many problems, stations didn’t work, some were not calibrated before the disaster. Even more disturbing is that the EPA does not even handle their own radiation monitoring network.
http://fukushimaupdate.co(...)-industry-lobbyists/
@Ems dit is meteen reactie op gedeelte van jouw post. Ben wel blij dat het ook bij jou vragen oproept.

Lijkt me nav bovenstaande iets meer dan 'n (weer 'n) aanname. De grafieken spreken bovendien voor zich.
btw De aananmes en voorspellingen van Gunderssen die ik postte in dit topic zijn tot op heden helaas altijd waarheid geworden.

Kom er indien gewenst nog wel wat uitgebreider op terug want er is nog veel meer over te vertellen, zo las je in de MSM weinig to niets over het plutonium dat wel degelijk gemeten is op het noordelijk halfrond. Een van de meest gevaarlijke stoffen op aarde.

Wat info:
http://drsircus.com/world-news/plutonium-humanity
We must guard against the aquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes.
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  maandag 12 augustus 2013 @ 10:46:12 #262
132191 -jos-
Money=Power
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Kom net dit artikel tegen, is een betrouwbare site:

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Fukushima: Since 2011, 300 Tons of contaminated Water Daily into Ocean
Global Research, August 12, 2013

Contaminated groundwater accumulating under the crippled Fukushima nuclear power plant has risen 60cm above the protective barrier, and is now freely leaking into the Pacific Ocean, the plant’s operator TEPCO has admitted.

The Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO), which is responsible for decommissioning the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, on Saturday said the protective barriers that were installed to prevent the flow of toxic water into the ocean are no longer coping with the groundwater levels, Itar-Tass reports.

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An aerial view shows workers wearing protective suits and masks work at a construction site (C) of the shore barrier to stop radioactive water from leaking into the sea at Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant on August 9, 2013. (Reuters/Kyodo)

An aerial view shows workers wearing protective suits and masks work at a construction site (C) of the shore barrier to stop radioactive water from leaking into the sea at Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant on August 9, 2013. (Reuters/Kyodo)

The contaminated groundwater, which mixes with radioactive leaks seeping out of the plant, has already risen to 60cm above the barriers – the fact which TEPCO calls a major cause of the massive daily leak of toxic substances.

Earlier on Friday, the company announced it started pumping out contaminated groundwater from under Fukushima, and managed to pump out 13 tons of water in six hours on Friday. TEPCO also said it plans to boost the pumped-out amount to some 100 tons a day with the help of a special system, which will be completed by mid-August. This will be enough to seal off most of the ongoing ocean contamination, according to TEPCO’s estimates.

However, Japan’s Ministry of Industry has recently estimated that some 300 tons of contaminated groundwater have been flowing into the ocean daily ever since the March 2011 earthquake and tsunami that triggered the disaster.

TEPCO also promised it will urgently reinforce the protective shields to keep radioactive leaks at bay. The company has repeatedly complained it is running out of space and has had to resort to pumping water into hastily-built tanks of questionable reliability, as more than 20,000 tons of water with high levels of radioactive substances has accumulated in the plant’s drainage system.

Water samples recently taken at an underground passage below the Fukushima nuclear plant showed extreme levels of radiation comparable to those taken immediately after the March 2011 catastrophe. The tested water, which had been mixing with ground water and flowing into the ocean, contained 2.35 billion Becquerels of cesium per liter – some 16 million times above the limit.
http://www.globalresearch(...)y-into-ocean/5345640

En een opinieartikel,niet zo betrouwbaar:

http://www.elsevier.nl/Al(...)een-ELSEVIER333502W/

[ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door -jos- op 12-08-2013 20:09:17 ]
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  donderdag 15 augustus 2013 @ 10:10:49 #263
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Fukushima apocalypse: Years of ‘duct tape fixes’ could result in ‘millions of deaths’

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Even the tiniest mistake during an operation to extract over 1,300 fuel rods at the crippled Fukushima nuclear power plant in Japan could lead to a series of cascading failures with an apocalyptic outcome, fallout researcher Christina Consolo told RT.

Fukushima operator TEPCO wants to extract 400 tons worth of spent fuel rods stored in a pool at the plant’s damaged Reactor No. 4. The removal would have to be done manually from the top store of the damaged building in the radiation-contaminated environment.

In the worst-case scenario, a mishandled rod may go critical, resulting in an above-ground meltdown releasing radioactive fallout with no way to stop it, said Consolo, who is the founder and host of Nuked Radio. But leaving the things as they are is not an option, because statistical risk of a similarly bad outcome increases every day, she said.

RT: How serious is the fuel rod situation compared to the danger of contaminated water build-up which we already know about?

Christina Consolo: Although fuel rod removal happens on a daily basis at the 430+ nuclear sites around the world, it is a very delicate procedure even under the best of circumstances. What makes fuel removal at Fukushima so dangerous and complex is that it will be attempted on a fuel pool whose integrity has been severely compromised. However, it must be attempted as Reactor 4 has the most significant problems structurally, and this pool is on the top floor of the building.

There are numerous other reasons that this will be a dangerous undertaking.

- The racks inside the pool that contain this fuel were damaged by the explosion in the early days of the accident.

- Zirconium cladding which encased the rods burned when water levels dropped, but to what extent the rods have been damaged is not known, and probably won't be until removal is attempted.

- Saltwater cooling has caused corrosion of the pool walls, and probably the fuel rods and racks.

- The building is sinking.

- The cranes that normally lift the fuel were destroyed.

- Computer-guided removal will not be possible; everything will have to be done manually.

- TEPCO cannot attempt this process without humans, which will manage this enormous task while being bombarded with radiation during the extraction and casking.

- The process of removing each rod will have to be repeated over 1,300 times without incident.

- Moving damaged nuclear fuel under such complex conditions could result in a criticality if the rods come into close proximity to one another, which would then set off a chain reaction that cannot be stopped.

What could potentially happen is the contents of the pool could burn and/or explode, and the entire structure sustain further damage or collapse. This chain reaction process could be self-sustaining and go on for a long time. This is the apocalyptic scenario in a nutshell.

The water build-up is an extraordinarily difficult problem in and of itself, and as anyone with a leaky basement knows, water always 'finds a way.’
'Trivial in light of other problems at Fukushima, water situation could culminate in the chain reaction scenario'

At Fukushima, they are dealing with massive amounts of groundwater that flow through the property, and the endless pouring that must be kept up 24/7/365 to keep things from getting worse. Recently there appears to be subsidence issues and liquefaction under the plant.

TEPCO has decided to pump the water out of these buildings. However, pumping water out of the buildings is only going to increase the flow rate and create more of these ground issues around the reactors. An enormous undertaking - but one that needs to be considered for long-term preservation of the integrity of the site - is channelling the water away, like a drain tile installed around the perimeter of a house with a leaky basement, but on an epic scale.

Without this effort, the soils will further deteriorate, structural shift will occur, and subsequently the contents of the pools will shift too.

Any water that flows into those buildings also becomes highly radioactive, as it is likely coming into contact with melted fuel.

Without knowing the extent of the current liquefaction and its location, the location of the melted fuel, how long TEPCO has been pumping out water, or when the next earthquake will hit, it is impossible to predict how soon this could occur from the water problem/subsidence issue alone. But undoubtedly, pumping water out of the buildings is just encouraging the flow, and this water problem needs to be remedied and redirected as soon as possible.

RT: Given all the complications that could arise with extracting the fuel rods, which are the most serious, in your opinion?

CC: The most serious complication would be anything that leads to a nuclear chain reaction. And as outlined above, there are many different ways this could occur. In a fuel pool containing damaged rods and racks, it could potentially start up on its own at anytime. TEPCO has been incredibly lucky that this hasn't happened so far.
'One of the worst, but most important jobs anyone has ever had to do'

My second biggest concern would be the physical and mental fitness of the workers that will be in such close proximity to exposed fuel during this extraction process. They will be the ones guiding this operation, and will need to be in the highest state of alertness to have any chance at all of executing this plan manually and successfully. Many of their senses, most importantly eyesight, will be hindered by the apparatus that will need to be worn during their exposure, to prevent immediate death from lifting compromised fuel rods out of the pool and placing them in casks, or in the common spent fuel pool located a short distance away.

Think for a moment what that might be like through the eyes of one of these workers; it will be hot, uncomfortable, your senses shielded, and you would be filled with anxiety. You are standing on a building that is close to collapse. Even with the strongest protection possible, workers will have to be removed and replaced often. So you don't have the benefit of doing such a critical task and knowing and trusting your comrades, as they will frequently have to be replaced when their radiation dose limits are reached. If they exhibit physical or mental signs of radiation exposure, they will have be replaced more often.

It will be one of the worst, but most important jobs anyone has ever had to do. And even if executed flawlessly, there are still many things that could go wrong.

RT: How do the potential consequences of failure to ensure safe extraction compare to other disasters of the sort – like Chernobyl, or the 2011 Fukushima meltdown?

CC: There really is no comparison. This will be an incredibly risky operation, in the presence of an enormous amount of nuclear material in close proximity. And as we have seen in the past, one seemingly innocuous failure at the site often translates into a series of cascading failures.
'The site has been propped up with duct tape and a kick-stand for over two years'

Many of their 'fixes' are only temporary, as there are so many issues to address, and cost always seems to be an enormous factor in what gets implemented and what doesn't.

As a comparison: Chernobyl was one reactor, in a rural area, a quarter of the size of one of the reactors at Fukushima. There was no 'spent fuel pool' to worry about. Chernobyl was treated in-situ...meaning everything was pretty much left where it was while the effort to contain it was made (and very expeditiously I might add) not only above ground, but below ground.

At Fukushima, we have six top-floor pools all loaded with fuel that eventually will have to be removed, the most important being Reactor 4, although Reactor 3 is in pretty bad shape too. Spent fuel pools were never intended for long-term storage, they were only to assist short-term movement of fuel. Using them as a long-term storage pool is a huge mistake that has become an 'acceptable' practice and repeated at every reactor site worldwide.

We have three 100-ton melted fuel blobs underground, but where exactly they are located, no one knows. Whatever 'barriers' TEPCO has put in place so far have failed. Efforts to decontaminate radioactive water have failed. Robots have failed. Camera equipment and temperature gauges...failed. Decontamination of surrounding cities has failed.
'If and when the corium reaches the Tokyo aquifer, serious and expedient discussions will have to take place about evacuating 40 million people'

We have endless releases into the Pacific Ocean that will be ongoing for not only our lifetimes, but our children’s' lifetimes. We have 40 million people living in the Tokyo area nearby. We have continued releases from the underground corium that reminds us it is there occasionally with steam events and huge increases in radiation levels. Across the Pacific, we have at least two peer-reviewed scientific studies so far that have already provided evidence of increased mortality in North America, and thyroid problems in infants on the west coast states from our initial exposures.

We have increasing contamination of the food chain, through bioaccumulation and biomagnification. And a newly stated concern is the proximity of melted fuel in relation to the Tokyo aquifer that extends under the plant. If and when the corium reaches the Tokyo aquifer, serious and expedient discussions will have to take place about evacuating 40 million people from the greater metropolitan area. As impossible as this sounds, you cannot live in an area which does not have access to safe water.

The operation to begin removing fuel from such a severely damaged pool has never been attempted before. The rods are unwieldy and very heavy, each one weighing two-thirds of a ton. But it has to be done, unless there is some way to encase the entire building in concrete with the pool as it is. I don't know of anyone discussing that option, but it would seem much 'safer' than what they are about to attempt...but not without its own set of risks.

And all this collateral damage will continue for decades, if not centuries, even if things stay exactly the way they are now. But that is unlikely, as bad things happen like natural disasters and deterioration with time...earthquakes, subsidence, and corrosion, to name a few. Every day that goes by, the statistical risk increases for this apocalyptic scenario. No one can say or know how this will play out, except that millions of people will probably die even if things stay exactly as they are, and billions could die if things get any worse.

RT: Are the fuel rods in danger of falling victim to other factors, while the extraction process is ongoing? After all, it’s expected to take years before all 1,300+ rods are pulled out.

CC: Unfortunately yes, the fuel rods are in danger every day they remain in the pool. The more variables you add to this equation, and the more time that passes, the more risk you are exposed to. Each reactor and spent fuel pool has its own set of problems, and critical failure with any of them could ultimately have the end result of an above-ground, self-sustaining nuclear reaction. It will not be known if extraction of all the fuel will even be possible, as some of it may be severely damaged, until the attempt is made to remove it.

RT: Finally, what is the worst case scenario? What level of contamination are we looking at and how dire would the consequences be for the long-term health of the region?

CC: Extremely dire. This is a terrible answer to have to give, but the worst case scenario could play out in death to billions of people. A true apocalypse. Since we have been discussing Reactor 4, I'll stick to that problem in particular, but also understand that a weather event, power outage, earthquake, tsunami, cooling system failure, or explosion and fire in any way, shape, or form, at any location on the Fukushima site, could cascade into an event of that magnitude as well.
'Once the integrity of the pool is compromised that will lead to more criticalities'

At any time, following any of these possible events, or even all by itself, nuclear fuel in reactor 4's pool could become critical, mostly because it will heat up the pool to a point where water will burn off and the zirconium cladding will catch fire when it is exposed to air. This already happened at least once in this pool that we are aware of. It almost happened again recently after a rodent took out an electrical line and cooling was stopped for days.

Once the integrity of the pool is compromised that will likely lead to more criticalities, which then can spread to other fuel. The heat from this reaction would weaken the structure further, which could then collapse and the contents of the pool end up in a pile of rubble on the ground. This would release an enormous amount of radioactivity, which Arnie Gundersen has referred to as a “Gamma Shine Event” without precedence, and Dr. Christopher Busby has deemed an “Open-air super reactor spectacular.”

This would preclude anyone from not only being at Reactor 4, but at Reactors 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, the associated pools for each, and the common spent fuel pool. Humans could no longer monitor and continue cooling operations at any of the reactors and pools, thus putting the entire site at risk for a massive radioactive release.
'At least the northern half of Japan would be uninhabitable, and some researchers have argued that it already is'

Mathematically, it is almost impossible to quantify in terms of resulting contamination, and a separate math problem would need to be performed for every nuclear element contained within the fuel, and whether or not that fuel exploded, burned, fissioned, melted, or was doused with water to try to cool it off and poured into the ocean afterward.

Workers using a German-made pump to pump water from the spent fuel pool in Unit 4 at Fukushima No.1 (Dai-Ichi) nuclear power plant in the town of Okuma in Fukushima prefecture (AFP Photo)

Workers using a German-made pump to pump water from the spent fuel pool in Unit 4 at Fukushima No.1 (Dai-Ichi) nuclear power plant in the town of Okuma in Fukushima prefecture (AFP Photo)

Some researchers have even ventured to say that other nuke plants on the east coast of Honshu may need to be evacuated if levels get too high, which will lead to subsequent failures/fires and explosions at these plants as well. Just how profound the effect will be on down-winders in North America, or the entire northern hemisphere for that matter, will literally depend on where the wind blows and where the rain falls, the duration and extent of a nuclear fire or chain-reaction event, and whether or not that reaction becomes self-sustaining. At least the northern half of Japan would be uninhabitable, and some researchers have argued that it already is.

This is already happening to the nuclear fuel in the ground under the plant, but now it would be happening above ground as well. There is no example historically to draw from on a scale of this magnitude. Everything is theory. But anyone who says this can't happen is not being truthful, because nobody really knows how bad things could get.

The most disturbing part of all of this is that Fukushima has been this dangerous, and precarious, since the second week of March 2011. The ante will definitely be upped once the fuel removal starts.
'The mainstream media, world governments, nuclear agencies, health organizations, weather reporters, and the health care industry has completely ignored three ongoing triple meltdowns that have never been contained'

An obvious attempt to downplay this disaster and its consequences have been repeated over and over again from 'experts' in the nuclear industry that also have a vested interest in their industry remaining intact. And, there has been a lot of misleading information released by TEPCO, which an hour or two of reading by a diligent reporter would have uncovered, in particular the definition of 'cold shutdown.’

Over 300 mainstream news outlets worldwide ran the erroneous 'cold shutdown' story repeatedly, which couldn't be further from the truth…[it was] yet another lie that was spun by TEPCO to placate the public, and perpetuated endlessly by the media and nuclear lobby.

Unfortunately, TEPCO waited until a severe emergency arose to finally report how bad things really are with this latest groundwater issue...if we are even being told the truth. Historically, everything TEPCO says always turns out to be much worse than they initially admit.
'Unfortunately there is no one better qualified to deal with this than the Russians, despite their own shortcomings'

I think the best chance of success is…that experts around the world drop everything they are doing to work on this problem, and have Russia either lead the containment effort or consult with them closely. They have the most experience, they have decades of data. They took their accident seriously and made a Herculean effort to contain it.

Of course we also know the Chernobyl accident was wrought with deception and lies as well, and some of that continues to this day, especially in terms of the ongoing health effects of children in the region, and monstrous birth defects. Unfortunately there is no one better qualified to deal with this than the Russians, despite their own shortcomings. Gorbachev tried to make up for his part in the cover-up of Chernobyl by opening orphanages throughout the region to deal with the affected children.

But as far as Fukushima goes, the only thing that matters now is if world leaders and experts join forces to help fix this situation. Regardless of what agendas they are trying to protect or hide, how much it will cost, the effect on Japan or the world’s economy, or what political chains this will yank.

The nuclear industry needs to come clean. If this leads to every reactor in the world being shut down, so be it. If the world governments truly care about their people and this planet, this is what needs to be done.

Renowned theoretical physicist Michio Kaku stated in an interview a few weeks after the initial accident that “TEPCO is literally hanging on by their fingernails.” They still are, and always have been. The Japanese have proven time and time again they are not capable of handling this disaster. Now we are entrusting them to execute the most dangerous fuel removal in history.

We are extremely lucky that this apocalyptic scenario hasn't happened yet, considering the state of Reactor 4. But for many, it is already too late. The initial explosions and spent fuel pool fires may have already sealed the fate of millions of people. Time will tell. Anyone who tells you otherwise is not being honest, because there is just no way to know.
http://rt.com/news/fukushima-apocalypse-fuel-removal-598/
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Weer groot lek bij kerncentrale Fukushima

Uit een opslagtank van de verwoeste Japanse kerncentrale Fukushima Dai-ichi is zo'n driehonderdduizend liter radioactief water gelekt.

Dat heeft de beheerder van de centrale, Tepco, dinsdag gezegd. Niet eerder lekte zoveel radioactief water uit opslagtanks bij Fukushima.

Het water is waarschijnlijk door een klep in een goot rond de opslagtank beland en deels in de bodem gesijpeld, aldus Tepco. Inmiddels is de poel die daarbij ontstond weggepompt, evenals het water dat zich nog in de tank bevond, zodat het elders kan worden opgeslagen.

Boven de poel is een stralingsniveau van honderd millisievert/uur gemeten - vijfmaal de jaarlijks toegestane hoeveelheid voor medewerkers van kerncentrales.

Nadat de kerncentrale in 2011 door een aardbeving en daaropvolgende tsunami werd verwoest, werden rond de centrale honderden opslagtanks gebouwd om de enorme hoeveelheid water in op te slaan die gebruikt werd voor het koelen van de smeltende reactorkernen. Eerder dit jaar werden lekkages geconstateerd bij vier andere opslagtanks.

http://www.nu.nl/buitenla(...)trale-fukushima.html
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2s.gif Op dinsdag 20 augustus 2013 10:34 schreef aloa het volgende:
Weer groot lek bij kerncentrale Fukushima

Uit een opslagtank van de verwoeste Japanse kerncentrale Fukushima Dai-ichi is zo'n driehonderdduizend liter radioactief water gelekt.

Dat heeft de beheerder van de centrale, Tepco, dinsdag gezegd. Niet eerder lekte zoveel radioactief water uit opslagtanks bij Fukushima.

Het water is waarschijnlijk door een klep in een goot rond de opslagtank beland en deels in de bodem gesijpeld, aldus Tepco. Inmiddels is de poel die daarbij ontstond weggepompt, evenals het water dat zich nog in de tank bevond, zodat het elders kan worden opgeslagen.

Boven de poel is een stralingsniveau van honderd millisievert/uur gemeten - vijfmaal de jaarlijks toegestane hoeveelheid voor medewerkers van kerncentrales.

Nadat de kerncentrale in 2011 door een aardbeving en daaropvolgende tsunami werd verwoest, werden rond de centrale honderden opslagtanks gebouwd om de enorme hoeveelheid water in op te slaan die gebruikt werd voor het koelen van de smeltende reactorkernen. Eerder dit jaar werden lekkages geconstateerd bij vier andere opslagtanks.

http://www.nu.nl/buitenla(...)trale-fukushima.html
Het is zoals Resonancer steeds zegt: een ramp van ongekende grootte.
  dinsdag 20 augustus 2013 @ 11:46:02 #267
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Het is zoals Resonancer steeds zegt: een potentiële ramp van ongekende grootte.
Zo klopt het. (oke, voor Japan zelf is het natuurlijk al wel een grote ramp)
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Zo klopt het. (oke, voor Japan zelf is het natuurlijk al wel een grote ramp)
Ik denk dat het voor de hele wereld gevolgen gaat hebben.
  dinsdag 20 augustus 2013 @ 12:01:17 #269
132191 -jos-
Money=Power
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Ik denk dat het voor de hele wereld gevolgen gaat hebben.
Dat is dus mijn punt. In dit topic gaat het vooral over potentiële gevaren en mogelijke gevolgen. Maar bijna niet over de werkelijke schade. Het is nu toch al meer dan 2 jaar geleden? Dan lijkt het me dat de gevolgen al te zien moeten zijn.
WEB / [HaxBall #64] Jos is God
Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics.
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Dat is dus mijn punt. In dit topic gaat het vooral over potentiële gevaren en mogelijke gevolgen. Maar bijna niet over de werkelijke schade. Het is nu toch al meer dan 2 jaar geleden? Dan lijkt het me dat de gevolgen al te zien moeten zijn.
Zou je wel denken idd.
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Dat is dus mijn punt. In dit topic gaat het vooral over potentiële gevaren en mogelijke gevolgen. Maar bijna niet over de werkelijke schade. Het is nu toch al meer dan 2 jaar geleden? Dan lijkt het me dat de gevolgen al te zien moeten zijn.
Misschien is dat wel het probleem. Een sluipmoordenaar die als kanker in je lichaam kruipt...en als je het niet op tijd ontdekt dan is het einde verhaal. :{
  dinsdag 20 augustus 2013 @ 13:17:29 #272
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Fukushima apocalypse: Years of ‘duct tape fixes’ could result in ‘millions of deaths’

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http://rt.com/news/fukushima-apocalypse-fuel-removal-598/
Er staat nog een vraag voor u open!!
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Dat is dus mijn punt. In dit topic gaat het vooral over potentiële gevaren en mogelijke gevolgen. Maar bijna niet over de werkelijke schade. Het is nu toch al meer dan 2 jaar geleden? Dan lijkt het me dat de gevolgen al te zien moeten zijn.
Die zijn er ook, alleen de MSM zwijgt het dood, labs worden teruggefloten, mensen monddood gemaakt, etc.. imo 1 grote cover up.

Verbaas me eigenlijk ook niet meer over mensen die nog van 'n potentiele ramp durven te spreken. Als je constant wordt voorgelogen ga je het vanzelf geloven.(Tuurlijk als die SFP's omvallen gaat het allemaal nog sneller maar om bij 3 in de aarde gesmolten cores (waar ze nooit meer bij gaan komen)te spreken van 'n potentiele ramp vind ik absurd)

Alles lost op in de grote oceaan, geen woord over de accumulatie.
Vond 'n memo over dat zgn oplossen:

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According to a previously secret 1955 memo from the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission regarding concerns of the British government over contaminated tuna, dissipation of radioactive fall-out in ocean waters is not a gradual spreading out of the activity from the region with the highest concentration to uncontaminated regions, but that in all probability the process results in scattered pockets and streams of higher radioactive materials in the Pacific.http://www.washingtonsblo(...)-from-fukushima.html
Men lijkt hier ook nog te geloven dat alles netjes gemeten word e.d., ne nee. Zalm , Tonijn e.d wordt niet meer onderzocht, de FDA is daar mee gestopt omdat de ramp zgn al achter de rug is....zucht.. accumulatie!

De uitslagen van het onderzoek naar de masaal gestorven dolfijnen , zeehonden, zeeleeuwen laten zoals gewoonlijk weer heel lang op zich wachten.
Onderzoek hiernaar is bovendien erg moelijk plutonium deeltjes of andere alpha emitters in de maag e.d. van dieren meet je volgens mij niet zo 1 2 3,

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Almost third more US West Coast newborns may face thyroid problems after Fukushima nuclear disasterJust a few days after the meltdown, I-131 concentration levels in California, Hawaii, Alaska, Oregon and Washington were up to 211 times above the normal level, according to the study. At the same time, the number of congenital hypothyroid cases skyrocketed, increasing by an average of 16 percent from March 17 to Dec. 31, 2011. And between March 17 and June 30, shortly after the meltdown, newly born children experienced a 28 percent greater risk of acquiring hyperthyroidism.

http://rt.com/usa/fukushima-us-children-thyroid-291/
Gunderssen (die het tot nu toe met z'n voorspellingen bij het rechte eind had) schrijft:

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We are going to see top of the food chain animals like tuna and salmon and things like that that bioaccumulate [...] I am concerned that the FDA is not monitoring fish entering the United States [...] I am thinking by 2013 we might see contamination of the water and of the top of the food chain fishes on the West Coast.

En dat lijkt nu dus te gebeuren, of komt het van alle andere rotzooi (Corexit)?

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Biologist: Pacific herring in Canada bleeding from eyeballs, faces, fins, tails — I’ve never seen fish looking this bad — All 100 examined were bloody — Officials informed of hemorrhaging soon after 3/11 — Gov’t ignoring problem

http://enenews.com/biolog(...)ced-in-summer-of-201
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Unprecedented: Sockeye salmon at dire historic low on Canada’s Pacific coast — “We think something happened in the ocean” — “The elders have never seen anything like this at all” — Alaska and Russia also affected
http://enenews.com/unprec(...)r-seen-anything-like
Something happended no shit... 8)7

Nog 'n paar jaartjes dan zijn wij echt aan de beurt.
Dag mensheid.

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We must guard against the aquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes.
Eisenhower1961.
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En eerlijk is eerlijk de MSM schreef er wel over:

Helemaal aan het begin van de ramp:

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Beware the Fukushima Sushi

But few people want to see the ocean’s anchovy stocks wiped out by radiation either. That’s just the scenario that seemed to be developing, however,

The biggest worry about cesium is how long it stays around. The half life of the isotope is 30 years, and since radioactivity levels are not considered completely safe until ten to 20 times longer than the given isotope’s half life, the cesium spilled today could still be a food chain contaminant six centuries from now.

The World Health Organization (WHO) has published new guidelines that do urge consumers to “avoid consumption and harvesting of aquatic animals and plants in areas “confirmed to be seriously contaminated,

http://science.time.com/2011/04/01/beware-the-fukushima-sushi/
Tsja, men geeft wel info, maar net niet genoeg om conclusie te te trekken. Wat moet je nou met zo'n WHO advies als ze niet meten ? Hoe zit het met de andere isoptopen ? etc..
We must guard against the aquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes.
Eisenhower1961.
  dinsdag 20 augustus 2013 @ 18:39:01 #275
132191 -jos-
Money=Power
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0s.gif Op dinsdag 20 augustus 2013 16:11 schreef Resonancer het volgende:

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Die zijn er ook, alleen de MSM zwijgt het dood, labs worden teruggefloten, mensen monddood gemaakt, etc.. imo 1 grote cover up.

Verbaas me eigenlijk ook niet meer over mensen die nog van 'n potentiele ramp durven te spreken. Als je constant wordt voorgelogen ga je het vanzelf geloven.(Tuurlijk als die SFP's omvallen gaat het allemaal nog sneller maar om bij 3 in de aarde gesmolten cores (waar ze nooit meer bij gaan komen)te spreken van 'n potentiele ramp vind ik absurd)

Alles lost op in de grote oceaan, geen woord over de accumulatie.
Vond 'n memo over dat zgn oplossen:

[..]

Men lijkt hier ook nog te geloven dat alles netjes gemeten word e.d., ne nee. Zalm , Tonijn e.d wordt niet meer onderzocht, de FDA is daar mee gestopt omdat de ramp zgn al achter de rug is....zucht.. accumulatie!

De uitslagen van de masaal gestorven dolfijnen , zeehonden, zeeleeuwen laten zoals gewoonlijk weer heel lang op zich wachten.
Onderzoek hiernaar is bovendien erg moelijk plutonium deeltjes of andere alpha emitters in de maag e.d. van dieren meet je volgens mij niet zo 1 2 3,

[..]

Gunderssen (die het tot nu toe met z'n voorspellingen bij het rechte eind had) schrijft:

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En dat lijkt nu dus te gebeuren, of komt het van alle andere rotzooi (Corexit)?

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Something happended no shit... 8)7

Nog 'n paar jaartjes dan zijn wij echt aan de beurt.
Dag mensheid.
Bedankt voor de info, maar hoezo zijn wij over een paar jaartjes aan de beurt dan?
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