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Ik vroeg me af of hier op FOK! nog meer ouwe fxp-ers zitten.
In me topdagen zat ik echt bij fairlight topsite's en dergelijke.
Kan me nog herinneren dat toen al die topsite's busted waren op ut twente enzo
en nog geen week later FIOD bij mij in de straat.
Toen had ik het niet breed whehe
Achteraf niet voor mij
Daarna ging ik werken en had ik er geen tijd meer voor
Pubstro's maken en als eerste posten op een phbb fxpboardje
Nog meer mensen hier met leuke herinneringen ?
In me topdagen zat ik echt bij fairlight topsite's en dergelijke.
Kan me nog herinneren dat toen al die topsite's busted waren op ut twente enzo
en nog geen week later FIOD bij mij in de straat.
Toen had ik het niet breed whehe
Achteraf niet voor mij
Daarna ging ik werken en had ik er geen tijd meer voor
Pubstro's maken en als eerste posten op een phbb fxpboardje
Nog meer mensen hier met leuke herinneringen ?
Fairlight is nog steeds actief in de demoscene.
Ik weet niks van Hindoes. Wel van Samoerai en andere dingen.
Niet alleen in de demoscenequote:Op vrijdag 15 juni 2012 23:47 schreef boem-dikkie het volgende:
Fairlight is nog steeds actief in de demoscene.
http://www.nfohump.com/in(...)em=viewnfo&id=192953
Ik weet het ja maar is niet de zelfde groep als vroeger
Misschien nu weer wel dat zou kunnen weet ik niet
Misschien nu weer wel dat zou kunnen weet ik niet
Met een private exploit alle 100mbit ranges afscannen via een bak in korea en daarvandaan verder rooten 
eindeloze nachten.
1 x een pc in almere te pakken blijkt tie vol met kinderporno te staan.
Allemaal bewijs verzameld en die kerel zijn naam en adres etc.
Daarna gemailed naar politie flevoland.
Geen idee hoe dat afgelopen is
eindeloze nachten.1 x een pc in almere te pakken blijkt tie vol met kinderporno te staan.
Allemaal bewijs verzameld en die kerel zijn naam en adres etc.
Daarna gemailed naar politie flevoland.
Geen idee hoe dat afgelopen is
Heb ik ook nog een tijdje gedaan ja, lache was dat wel, maar achteraf ook wel een beetje omslachtig.
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Demogroup heeft nog wel een paar dezelfde members. Maar ik ken ze eigenlijk alleen maar vanuit de demoscene.quote:Op vrijdag 15 juni 2012 23:54 schreef waspoedertje het volgende:
Ik weet het ja maar is niet de zelfde groep als vroeger
Misschien nu weer wel dat zou kunnen weet ik niet
Ik weet niks van Hindoes. Wel van Samoerai en andere dingen.
Meld 
Op dinsdag 13 augustus schreef Xa1pt:
Neuh, fraude mag best aangepakt worden. Maar dat het de maatschappij meer oplevert of beter is voor de samenleving, is nog maar de vraag.
Op donderdag 25 juni 2015 schreef KoosVogels:
Klopt. Ik ben een racist.
Neuh, fraude mag best aangepakt worden. Maar dat het de maatschappij meer oplevert of beter is voor de samenleving, is nog maar de vraag.
Op donderdag 25 juni 2015 schreef KoosVogels:
Klopt. Ik ben een racist.
Ik heb in 1994 eens met ze mogen babbelen op Assembly in Helsinki. Ik denk niet dat die nog bij het clubje horen.quote:
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Demogroup heeft nog wel een paar dezelfde members. Maar ik ken ze eigenlijk alleen maar vanuit de demoscene.
Roses are red
Violets are blue
Wololo Wololo
Now violets are red too
Violets are blue
Wololo Wololo
Now violets are red too
Zou ik ook niet weten. Maar op Breakpoint 2010 hadden ze nog een vette demo.quote:
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Ik heb in 1994 eens met ze mogen babbelen op Assembly in Helsinki. Ik denk niet dat die nog bij het clubje horen.
Ik weet niks van Hindoes. Wel van Samoerai en andere dingen.
long-time-ago idd.
Ik had een paar bakken op een uni in Duitsland toen. Via een IIS exploit kon je TFTP-en, serv-u erop knallen en gaan. 1 heeft zo'n 1,5mnd ongeveer 8-9Mb/sec staan doen voordat ze 'm afsloten
En natuurlijk de reguliere pubstros..
en posten op dff/insanity
Ik had een paar bakken op een uni in Duitsland toen. Via een IIS exploit kon je TFTP-en, serv-u erop knallen en gaan. 1 heeft zo'n 1,5mnd ongeveer 8-9Mb/sec staan doen voordat ze 'm afsloten
En natuurlijk de reguliere pubstros..
en posten op dff/insanity
Vooral racen om als eerste een release op het board te postenquote:
long-time-ago idd.
Ik had een paar bakken op een uni in Duitsland toen. Via een IIS exploit kon je TFTP-en, serv-u erop knallen en gaan. 1 heeft zo'n 1,5mnd ongeveer 8-9Mb/sec staan doen voordat ze 'm afsloten
En natuurlijk de reguliere pubstros..
en posten op dff/insanity
Zonder dat de topsites het wisten natuurlijk anders was het feest
Ook wel een prestatiequote:
Nooit gefxpt. maar ik maakte ooit even deel uit van Deviance.
Als leverancier ?
Nee, ik had iets geprogrammeerd waarvan ik dacht dat zij het wel handig zouden vinden. En dat klopte. Ik heb een paar weken meegedaan met die club (en dus met Myth en NLiSO). Toen had ik een paar weken geen tijd, en ergens in die tijd was er een bust oid geweest. Contact verliep via obscure SSL IRC servers (Mythnet heette de boel, geloof ik) en die waren allemaal plots verdwenen. Ik heb toen niet de moeite genomen om weer contact op te zoeken, ik vond het geen zingevende hobby.
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Op dinsdag 13 augustus schreef Xa1pt:
Neuh, fraude mag best aangepakt worden. Maar dat het de maatschappij meer oplevert of beter is voor de samenleving, is nog maar de vraag.
Op donderdag 25 juni 2015 schreef KoosVogels:
Klopt. Ik ben een racist.
Neuh, fraude mag best aangepakt worden. Maar dat het de maatschappij meer oplevert of beter is voor de samenleving, is nog maar de vraag.
Op donderdag 25 juni 2015 schreef KoosVogels:
Klopt. Ik ben een racist.
Wel een tijd geleden hoor heyquote:
zat bij outlawzfxp
Op dinsdag 13 augustus schreef Xa1pt:
Neuh, fraude mag best aangepakt worden. Maar dat het de maatschappij meer oplevert of beter is voor de samenleving, is nog maar de vraag.
Op donderdag 25 juni 2015 schreef KoosVogels:
Klopt. Ik ben een racist.
Neuh, fraude mag best aangepakt worden. Maar dat het de maatschappij meer oplevert of beter is voor de samenleving, is nog maar de vraag.
Op donderdag 25 juni 2015 schreef KoosVogels:
Klopt. Ik ben een racist.
whehe idd jaquote:Op zondag 24 juni 2012 18:52 schreef Scorpie het volgende:
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Wel een tijd geleden hoor hey
Heel lang geleden bij ConnecTeD gezeten. CTD dus, misschien kent iemand het nog. Ook bij een aantal mindere boards gezeten waarvan ik me de naam niet eens meer kan herinneren. Heleboel 100 mbit/s bakken en racen maar . Helemaal toen de befaamde Dameware exploit kwam. Heb nog even op topsites gezeten maar was niet echt mijn ding. Kan me herinneren dat iemand van ons een keer een server van een aantal releasegroups had gekraakt, hadden we allerlei dingen dus al lang voor dat het uberhaupt gereleased was 
, heeft maanden geduurd voordat we geen toegang meer hadden, was leuk, complete DVD's een minuut na release al op allerlei boards posten etc . Vraag me af wat er tegenwoordig nog van de scene over is, ben er inmiddels al zo'n 6-7 jaar uit denk ik.
. Helemaal toen de befaamde Dameware exploit kwam. Heb nog even op topsites gezeten maar was niet echt mijn ding. Kan me herinneren dat iemand van ons een keer een server van een aantal releasegroups had gekraakt, hadden we allerlei dingen dus al lang voor dat het uberhaupt gereleased was , heeft maanden geduurd voordat we geen toegang meer hadden, was leuk, complete DVD's een minuut na release al op allerlei boards posten etc . Vraag me af wat er tegenwoordig nog van de scene over is, ben er inmiddels al zo'n 6-7 jaar uit denk ik.
Yesterday I dared to struggle, today I dare to win.
Wie was jij danquote:
Op dinsdag 13 augustus schreef Xa1pt:
Neuh, fraude mag best aangepakt worden. Maar dat het de maatschappij meer oplevert of beter is voor de samenleving, is nog maar de vraag.
Op donderdag 25 juni 2015 schreef KoosVogels:
Klopt. Ik ben een racist.
Neuh, fraude mag best aangepakt worden. Maar dat het de maatschappij meer oplevert of beter is voor de samenleving, is nog maar de vraag.
Op donderdag 25 juni 2015 schreef KoosVogels:
Klopt. Ik ben een racist.
wow ik dacht er toen net nog ff aan en heb dus ff op google gekeken, en kwam dus hier terecht,, ook ik had een fxp forum,
forsaken
ik zat toen der tijd op dikke forums
ik kan me nog herinneren,
ConnecTeD - met Aaltjuh ,volgens mij was dat echt een goeie hacker, weet niet of dat zijn correcte nickname was
invisible fxp
equinox
forgotten
nog veel meer, zat in de hele scene, wat was dat mooi man, ik kan niet alles meer herinneren, ik zat op alle dikste forums, maar dat was voor mij ook zoon 8 jaar geleden
racen op gigabit stro's van gigabit sites met pre releases
om nooit te vergeten, wat was dit een mooie tijd, tot in de ochtend 9 uur door gaan en 8 blikjes redbul verder
ook waren er veel hackers van uit alle wereld delen,
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forsaken
ik zat toen der tijd op dikke forums
ik kan me nog herinneren,
ConnecTeD - met Aaltjuh ,volgens mij was dat echt een goeie hacker, weet niet of dat zijn correcte nickname was
invisible fxp
equinox
forgotten
nog veel meer, zat in de hele scene, wat was dat mooi man, ik kan niet alles meer herinneren, ik zat op alle dikste forums, maar dat was voor mij ook zoon 8 jaar geleden
racen op gigabit stro's van gigabit sites met pre releases
om nooit te vergeten, wat was dit een mooie tijd, tot in de ochtend 9 uur door gaan en 8 blikjes redbul verder
ook waren er veel hackers van uit alle wereld delen,
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Ik heb vroeger ook aardig wat pubstro's op DFF gepost enzo. Maar dat is wel minstens 12 jaar geleden ofzo, misschien wel meer 
Wat een eeuwigheid!
Wat een eeuwigheid!
Hehe, wie was jij dan, ik heb ook een tijd op CTD gezeten. Aaltjuh is toen opgepakt omdat hij de database van een reisbureau had verwijderd volgens mij, sindsdien nooit meer gezien.quote:Op maandag 1 oktober 2012 00:05 schreef devi2012 het volgende:
wow ik dacht er toen net nog ff aan en heb dus ff op google gekeken, en kwam dus hier terecht,, ook ik had een fxp forum,
forsaken
ik zat toen der tijd op dikke forums
ik kan me nog herinneren,
ConnecTeD - met Aaltjuh ,volgens mij was dat echt een goeie hacker, weet niet of dat zijn correcte nickname was
invisible fxp
equinox
forgotten
nog veel meer, zat in de hele scene, wat was dat mooi man, ik kan niet alles meer herinneren, ik zat op alle dikste forums, maar dat was voor mij ook zoon 8 jaar geleden
racen op gigabit stro's van gigabit sites met pre releases
om nooit te vergeten, wat was dit een mooie tijd, tot in de ochtend 9 uur door gaan en 8 blikjes redbul verder
ook waren er veel hackers van uit alle wereld delen,
Zes ton boete voor hacker (16)
Yesterday I dared to struggle, today I dare to win.
Ik kan me herinneren dat ik op een gegeven moment op een FTP van een Noorse(Zweedse, whatever) productiemaatschappij zat. Allemaal bronmateriaal van films en onwijs veel vrije ruimte(voor die tijd). Dat was een pareltje. Helaas heel snel weer toegang verloren 
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Jarenlang actief geweest op TheGraveYard...leuke NL club. Scande me altijd helemaal suf. Ook meerdere jaren admin geweest van Bliss Traders, een klein maar gezellig FXP boardje. Ik vond de community er omheen fantastisch. Tot diep in de nacht dronken na uitgaan op de IRC rondhangen en natuurlijk helemaal happy als je en weer eens een superserver had, en ook nog eens de eerste was die nieuwe shit online knalde. Ik zat nooit op die massale boards, teveel anonieme leechers ...
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Ha! Wat grappig om te lezen, allemaal erg herkenbaar.
Ik kan mij de namen niet meer goed herinneren van de boards
Kan me een private board herinneren met ip restrictie, veel Nederlanders, de template was in het groen? Was dat ConnecTeD?
Het was inderdaad een omweg maar wat een kick als het een university network was
Lekker met Radmin en Dameware klooien en auwehoeren op IRC.
Weet iemand of er nog steeds boards actief zijn of zijn ze allemaal opgeheven?
Ik kan mij de namen niet meer goed herinneren van de boards
Kan me een private board herinneren met ip restrictie, veel Nederlanders, de template was in het groen? Was dat ConnecTeD?
Het was inderdaad een omweg maar wat een kick als het een university network was
Lekker met Radmin en Dameware klooien en auwehoeren op IRC.
Weet iemand of er nog steeds boards actief zijn of zijn ze allemaal opgeheven?
About the scene:
The warez scene hierarchy
The scene is build up in a certain hierarchy. To explain the structure of this, here is a global overview of the piracy food chain. Not all these 'layers' are considered as a part of the scene by everyone. The anti piracy organizations and most of the other parties which are not in the scene themself, do consider all these groups to the scene. Though they are not a part of the scene. In fact, the releasegroups and the people on the topsites hate these other groups. The reason for this is that fxp boards, irc traders but mostly peer to peer users bring the scene in danger. The sceners (people from the scene) want to keep the releases for a limited amount of people. Since everyone who knows how to use a computer knows how to user p2p-software, everyone would be able to download releases. This causes big losses for record labels, movie producers etc, what leads to the anti-piracy organisations, police/fbi-attention etc. On their turn, this brings the sceners in danger, so that's why they dissaprove these groups. FXP boards consider themselves in the scene. Irc-traders and newsgroups might now even know about the scene, and p2p-users defently don't know about the scene.
Here is the hierarchy:
Releasegroups - Groups of people who release the warez into the scene. Often linked with Site Traders.
Topsites - Very fast FTP servers with people who trade the releases from the above groups to other (top)sites.
FXP Boards - People who scan/hack/fill vulnerable computers with warez.
IRC Trading - Users of IRC who download from "XDCC Bots" or "Fserves".
Newsgroups - People who download from alt.binaries newsgroups.
Peer-To-Peer - Users of p2p (peer-to-peer) programs like KaZaA but also BitTorrent who share with eachother.
We'll start at the bottom and we'll work ourselves up to the top.
Peer-To-Peer
Peer To PeerAt the bottom of the piracy food chain we have the peer-to-peer users. There seem to be two groups of peer-to-peer users. The first group are kids and downloading some music now and then because they can't afford cd's. Second are the older p2p users who use p2p for also for downloading games, programs, movies, etc. In the media, peer-to-peer are being labeled as dangerous pirates. They are a lot easier to bust for the RIAA/FBI and there are quite some of them who are being sued by the RIAA for thousands of dollars. The level of security is very low, and it's easy to get access to all warez. This is why they endanger the sceners. The download speeds are quite low since you download from other users. Most p2p-users don't have a clue about what a long way a release has made untill it's available for download in p2p software. It has been released, spread from topsites to fxpboards, then to irc/newsgroups and in the end it's available for the mass via peer-to-peer. The speed of p2p is the lowest, since users download from eachother.
A special kind of p2p system is BitTorrent. It uses a central location which coodinates the downloads but it doesn't host any downloads. The download itself consists of several pieces offered by various users. Such a coordinated group is called a torrent. BitTorrent is widely used, allthough it's rather insecure. It's also fairly accessible. The central distributionpoint is called the tracker. The tracker knows which users already have the file, and which users want to download it. The users who already have the download are called seeders, and the users who are downloading are called leechers. Every user who downloads a certain file, downloads a different part of the file. When the seeder goes offline, they can still download from eachother and all complete the file.
Newsgroups
NewsgroupsOnce upon a time when the internet was still young there were special interest groups that shared information and kept in touch by using a bulletin board type system. This system was designed to take advantage of the internet in a way an old bulletin boards couldn't; each location had a machine (news server) that would store all the messages of the newsgroups that were desired by it's users. A short time passed and the users of certain newsgroups thought that this system would be ideal to share files with each other. It's easy to access newsgroups but unless you are familiar with them, navigating and downloading files from the newsgroups takes more effort than p2p software. You can download from newsgroups using a newsreader, for example: NewsLeecher and Xnews. There are also pay newsservers, these are faster and can hold up the files longer than free newsservers. Free newsserver can be quite fast, and pay newsservers are even faster.
IRC Trading
IRC TradingNot far up from peer-to-peer users we have the people who go to IRC for their warez. In general, these people intend to have a better knowledge about computers and the internet. Warez channels are often run by people who have access to a fair amount of pirated material.
There are generally two types of these channels. These can often feed by people from FXP boards or bad sites. First there are Fserve (user-to-user) channels. They mainly use the mIRC client's File Server function and some scripts to share their warez directly from their hard drives. Second there are XDCC (server-to-user) channels. These are usually run by people who are into FXP boards or in the scene. They have access to fast, new warez. They employ people to hack into computers with fast internet connections and install XDCC servers (usually iroffer) which are used to share out pirated goods. There is a limited amount of people allowed to download a release at once, so when a release is populair you are placed into a waiting line. That way good download speeds will be guaranteed. The download speed is often very good.
FXP Boards
FXP is the File eXchange Protocol. It isn't an actual protocol, just a method of transfer making use of a vulnerability in FTP. It allows the transfer of files between two FTP servers. Rather than client-to-server, the tranfer becomes server to server. The fxp'er just gives a command to 1 server to send files to the other server. FXP usually allows very fast transfer speeds although it totally depends on the connection of the servers. Still it's ussually faster since the hackers are able to hack very fast servers. The fxp boards layer in the piracy food chain is quite unknown and therefore rather safe. Though the hacker's activities are very illegal, and therefore dangerous. Security is important. The members are ussually a lot smarter than irc-traders/p2p-users and have a greater knowledge about computers and internet.
The boards usually run a vBulletin forum with custom hacks. The boards ussually don't work with a credit system. Though the admins do an user cleanup once in a while. The board's members consist of scanners, hackers, and fillers. They each have their own tasks:
The Scanner
The Scanner's job is to scan IP ranges where fast internet connection are knwon to lie (usually universities, company's, etc.) for vulnerable computers. We're talking brute forcing passwords from programs, or scanning on ports for certain programs which contain a bug. The scanner will oftten use slow previously hacked computers for his scanning (known as scanstro's), using remote scan programs. Once the scanner has gotten his results, he'll run post this at the board. This is where the Hacker" comes into play.
The Hacker
HackingHackers are the people who break into computers. There are many easy-to-exploit vulnerabilities. Hackers get in to a computer using an exploit to get in via a program's bug. An exploit is a script which uses the bug to get in the pc. The program/exploit he uses (of course) depends upon the vulnerability the scanner has scanned for.When in, the hacker runs his rootkit (a modified version of Serv-U ussually). This rootkit is the server where other people can download from. Most likely he will also install remote administrator software (ussually Radmin), so he can get in to the computer easily. Once the server is installed and working he'll post the admin logindata to the FTP server on his FXP board. Depending on the speed of the compromised computer's (aka pubstro or stro) internet connection and the hard drive space, it will be used either by a filler or a scanner.
The Filler
Filler Now if the pubstro is fast enough and has enough hard drive space, it's the filler's job to get to work filling it with the latest warez. The filler gets his warez from other ftp servers hacked/filled by other people. Fillers sometimes have site access, and fxp releases from there to their pubstro. These people who are in sites and in fxp boards are considered corrupt, and if other sceners find out, they will be scenebanned (banned from all his sites). Though it is said that it happens quite often. Once he's done fxp'ing his warez, the filler goes back to the board and posts leech logins for one and all to use. Fillers (with site access) all try to post a release the first. It's kinda like a race, who ever wins it get the most credit. The speed of these pubstro's depend on how fast the pc is they hacked. Though the hackers from these fxp-boards are rather good, and are able to hack 100mbit's.
Pub/Pubbing
Pubbing is not so important anymore nowadays. This scan/hack/fill methodes are from the old days when many university and business ftp servers had write access enabled on anonymous ftp-servers. So instead of break ing into a computer, they would just upload their warez and give the IP address to their friends. This was very popular but died out for obvious reasons. It works like this; there is someone who scans for ftp servers with anonymous logins with write-access. Once found a pub would be tagged (a folder with the name "tagged.by.name"). The idea was that if a pub was already "tagged" other pubbers would leave it alone. This apparently worked for a while, with people respecting other people's tags and leaving the pubs alone. But it certainly hasn't worked for a very long time.
A method against retagging is dir locking. This is used in pubbing to stop people which are not allowed to get into the directory of the tagger (and slowing the server down). There are a couple or dir locking tricks. The first and easiest is to make a maze. When you make a maze you just make a lot directories and other people would never know in what map your stuff is since you would have to try them all out. Second is UNIX tagging. That's about a the magical character, the (alt+0255) which is an escape character on UNIX machines. When give a directory a name containing that character, the name will be displayed different then when you typed. The creator can get in by typing in the original name. Last is dir locking NT systems. More about this and other dir locking here.
Topsites
Next on the list and pretty much at the top or near the top are the site traders. Site trading is basically sending releases from one site to another. Releasegroups publish their releases on these sites, so they are the first stadium in the distribution of warez. From there on a release will be spread all over the world.
The Sites
TopsiteThese sites have very fast internet connections. 10mbit is considered the minimum, 100mbit good, and anything higher pretty damn good. The sites have huge hard disk drives. 200GB would probably be the minimum, and they can get up to 5 terabytes. These sites are often hosted at schools, universities, people's work. Also some countires have the preference. The Netherlands and Germany have fast internet connections, Sweden also but then a lot cheaper. These sites are referred to as being legit. This means that the owner of the computer knowns that they are there and being run, which is the opposite of pubstro's. Fast connections mean a lot to some people. If you have access to a 100mbit line (and are willing to run a warez server there), there are people who would quite happily pay for and have a computer shipped to you just for hosting a site that they will make absolutely no profit from. Commercial use of site access is not something common, most people do it just for fun, not to make money. Standard site software are GlFTPd and DrFTPd. As well as running FTPD, the sites run an eggdrop bot with various scripts installed. The bot will make an annoucement on an IRC channel when a directory is made or upload completed. It will also give race information, since just like on fxp boards, the site traders try to send a release as quick as possible to another site. That way he will earn credits. The more credits, the more he can download. The speed between topsites can reach about 15 MBps.
The People
There are basically three ranks in sitetrading: siteops, affiliates and racers. Siteops (Site-Operators) are the administrators. There are usually between two and five siteops per site. One is often the supplier of the site, another the person who found the supplier and guided them through the installation of the FTPD. The other will be friends and people involved in the scene. One or more of the siteops will be the nuker. It is his job to nuke any releases that are old or fake. Affiliates are the releasegroups who post their releases there right after they are finished.
Racers are the people who will race releases between sites. Usually they will have access to a number of sites and will fxp release as soon as they're released. FXP'ing a release will gain credits. The ratio is usually 1:3, so fxp'ing 3 GB will get them 9 GB credits on the site. The race is to upload the most parts of the release at the fastest speed. Racing happends shortly after a release is released
bron: http://scenegrouplist.com/scene_info_About_the_scene_tsh.php
Goede en duidelijke uitleg
The warez scene hierarchy
The scene is build up in a certain hierarchy. To explain the structure of this, here is a global overview of the piracy food chain. Not all these 'layers' are considered as a part of the scene by everyone. The anti piracy organizations and most of the other parties which are not in the scene themself, do consider all these groups to the scene. Though they are not a part of the scene. In fact, the releasegroups and the people on the topsites hate these other groups. The reason for this is that fxp boards, irc traders but mostly peer to peer users bring the scene in danger. The sceners (people from the scene) want to keep the releases for a limited amount of people. Since everyone who knows how to use a computer knows how to user p2p-software, everyone would be able to download releases. This causes big losses for record labels, movie producers etc, what leads to the anti-piracy organisations, police/fbi-attention etc. On their turn, this brings the sceners in danger, so that's why they dissaprove these groups. FXP boards consider themselves in the scene. Irc-traders and newsgroups might now even know about the scene, and p2p-users defently don't know about the scene.
Here is the hierarchy:
Releasegroups - Groups of people who release the warez into the scene. Often linked with Site Traders.
Topsites - Very fast FTP servers with people who trade the releases from the above groups to other (top)sites.
FXP Boards - People who scan/hack/fill vulnerable computers with warez.
IRC Trading - Users of IRC who download from "XDCC Bots" or "Fserves".
Newsgroups - People who download from alt.binaries newsgroups.
Peer-To-Peer - Users of p2p (peer-to-peer) programs like KaZaA but also BitTorrent who share with eachother.
We'll start at the bottom and we'll work ourselves up to the top.
Peer-To-Peer
Peer To PeerAt the bottom of the piracy food chain we have the peer-to-peer users. There seem to be two groups of peer-to-peer users. The first group are kids and downloading some music now and then because they can't afford cd's. Second are the older p2p users who use p2p for also for downloading games, programs, movies, etc. In the media, peer-to-peer are being labeled as dangerous pirates. They are a lot easier to bust for the RIAA/FBI and there are quite some of them who are being sued by the RIAA for thousands of dollars. The level of security is very low, and it's easy to get access to all warez. This is why they endanger the sceners. The download speeds are quite low since you download from other users. Most p2p-users don't have a clue about what a long way a release has made untill it's available for download in p2p software. It has been released, spread from topsites to fxpboards, then to irc/newsgroups and in the end it's available for the mass via peer-to-peer. The speed of p2p is the lowest, since users download from eachother.
A special kind of p2p system is BitTorrent. It uses a central location which coodinates the downloads but it doesn't host any downloads. The download itself consists of several pieces offered by various users. Such a coordinated group is called a torrent. BitTorrent is widely used, allthough it's rather insecure. It's also fairly accessible. The central distributionpoint is called the tracker. The tracker knows which users already have the file, and which users want to download it. The users who already have the download are called seeders, and the users who are downloading are called leechers. Every user who downloads a certain file, downloads a different part of the file. When the seeder goes offline, they can still download from eachother and all complete the file.
Newsgroups
NewsgroupsOnce upon a time when the internet was still young there were special interest groups that shared information and kept in touch by using a bulletin board type system. This system was designed to take advantage of the internet in a way an old bulletin boards couldn't; each location had a machine (news server) that would store all the messages of the newsgroups that were desired by it's users. A short time passed and the users of certain newsgroups thought that this system would be ideal to share files with each other. It's easy to access newsgroups but unless you are familiar with them, navigating and downloading files from the newsgroups takes more effort than p2p software. You can download from newsgroups using a newsreader, for example: NewsLeecher and Xnews. There are also pay newsservers, these are faster and can hold up the files longer than free newsservers. Free newsserver can be quite fast, and pay newsservers are even faster.
IRC Trading
IRC TradingNot far up from peer-to-peer users we have the people who go to IRC for their warez. In general, these people intend to have a better knowledge about computers and the internet. Warez channels are often run by people who have access to a fair amount of pirated material.
There are generally two types of these channels. These can often feed by people from FXP boards or bad sites. First there are Fserve (user-to-user) channels. They mainly use the mIRC client's File Server function and some scripts to share their warez directly from their hard drives. Second there are XDCC (server-to-user) channels. These are usually run by people who are into FXP boards or in the scene. They have access to fast, new warez. They employ people to hack into computers with fast internet connections and install XDCC servers (usually iroffer) which are used to share out pirated goods. There is a limited amount of people allowed to download a release at once, so when a release is populair you are placed into a waiting line. That way good download speeds will be guaranteed. The download speed is often very good.
FXP Boards
FXP is the File eXchange Protocol. It isn't an actual protocol, just a method of transfer making use of a vulnerability in FTP. It allows the transfer of files between two FTP servers. Rather than client-to-server, the tranfer becomes server to server. The fxp'er just gives a command to 1 server to send files to the other server. FXP usually allows very fast transfer speeds although it totally depends on the connection of the servers. Still it's ussually faster since the hackers are able to hack very fast servers. The fxp boards layer in the piracy food chain is quite unknown and therefore rather safe. Though the hacker's activities are very illegal, and therefore dangerous. Security is important. The members are ussually a lot smarter than irc-traders/p2p-users and have a greater knowledge about computers and internet.
The boards usually run a vBulletin forum with custom hacks. The boards ussually don't work with a credit system. Though the admins do an user cleanup once in a while. The board's members consist of scanners, hackers, and fillers. They each have their own tasks:
The Scanner
The Scanner's job is to scan IP ranges where fast internet connection are knwon to lie (usually universities, company's, etc.) for vulnerable computers. We're talking brute forcing passwords from programs, or scanning on ports for certain programs which contain a bug. The scanner will oftten use slow previously hacked computers for his scanning (known as scanstro's), using remote scan programs. Once the scanner has gotten his results, he'll run post this at the board. This is where the Hacker" comes into play.
The Hacker
HackingHackers are the people who break into computers. There are many easy-to-exploit vulnerabilities. Hackers get in to a computer using an exploit to get in via a program's bug. An exploit is a script which uses the bug to get in the pc. The program/exploit he uses (of course) depends upon the vulnerability the scanner has scanned for.When in, the hacker runs his rootkit (a modified version of Serv-U ussually). This rootkit is the server where other people can download from. Most likely he will also install remote administrator software (ussually Radmin), so he can get in to the computer easily. Once the server is installed and working he'll post the admin logindata to the FTP server on his FXP board. Depending on the speed of the compromised computer's (aka pubstro or stro) internet connection and the hard drive space, it will be used either by a filler or a scanner.
The Filler
Filler Now if the pubstro is fast enough and has enough hard drive space, it's the filler's job to get to work filling it with the latest warez. The filler gets his warez from other ftp servers hacked/filled by other people. Fillers sometimes have site access, and fxp releases from there to their pubstro. These people who are in sites and in fxp boards are considered corrupt, and if other sceners find out, they will be scenebanned (banned from all his sites). Though it is said that it happens quite often. Once he's done fxp'ing his warez, the filler goes back to the board and posts leech logins for one and all to use. Fillers (with site access) all try to post a release the first. It's kinda like a race, who ever wins it get the most credit. The speed of these pubstro's depend on how fast the pc is they hacked. Though the hackers from these fxp-boards are rather good, and are able to hack 100mbit's.
Pub/Pubbing
Pubbing is not so important anymore nowadays. This scan/hack/fill methodes are from the old days when many university and business ftp servers had write access enabled on anonymous ftp-servers. So instead of break ing into a computer, they would just upload their warez and give the IP address to their friends. This was very popular but died out for obvious reasons. It works like this; there is someone who scans for ftp servers with anonymous logins with write-access. Once found a pub would be tagged (a folder with the name "tagged.by.name"). The idea was that if a pub was already "tagged" other pubbers would leave it alone. This apparently worked for a while, with people respecting other people's tags and leaving the pubs alone. But it certainly hasn't worked for a very long time.
A method against retagging is dir locking. This is used in pubbing to stop people which are not allowed to get into the directory of the tagger (and slowing the server down). There are a couple or dir locking tricks. The first and easiest is to make a maze. When you make a maze you just make a lot directories and other people would never know in what map your stuff is since you would have to try them all out. Second is UNIX tagging. That's about a the magical character, the (alt+0255) which is an escape character on UNIX machines. When give a directory a name containing that character, the name will be displayed different then when you typed. The creator can get in by typing in the original name. Last is dir locking NT systems. More about this and other dir locking here.
Topsites
Next on the list and pretty much at the top or near the top are the site traders. Site trading is basically sending releases from one site to another. Releasegroups publish their releases on these sites, so they are the first stadium in the distribution of warez. From there on a release will be spread all over the world.
The Sites
TopsiteThese sites have very fast internet connections. 10mbit is considered the minimum, 100mbit good, and anything higher pretty damn good. The sites have huge hard disk drives. 200GB would probably be the minimum, and they can get up to 5 terabytes. These sites are often hosted at schools, universities, people's work. Also some countires have the preference. The Netherlands and Germany have fast internet connections, Sweden also but then a lot cheaper. These sites are referred to as being legit. This means that the owner of the computer knowns that they are there and being run, which is the opposite of pubstro's. Fast connections mean a lot to some people. If you have access to a 100mbit line (and are willing to run a warez server there), there are people who would quite happily pay for and have a computer shipped to you just for hosting a site that they will make absolutely no profit from. Commercial use of site access is not something common, most people do it just for fun, not to make money. Standard site software are GlFTPd and DrFTPd. As well as running FTPD, the sites run an eggdrop bot with various scripts installed. The bot will make an annoucement on an IRC channel when a directory is made or upload completed. It will also give race information, since just like on fxp boards, the site traders try to send a release as quick as possible to another site. That way he will earn credits. The more credits, the more he can download. The speed between topsites can reach about 15 MBps.
The People
There are basically three ranks in sitetrading: siteops, affiliates and racers. Siteops (Site-Operators) are the administrators. There are usually between two and five siteops per site. One is often the supplier of the site, another the person who found the supplier and guided them through the installation of the FTPD. The other will be friends and people involved in the scene. One or more of the siteops will be the nuker. It is his job to nuke any releases that are old or fake. Affiliates are the releasegroups who post their releases there right after they are finished.
Racers are the people who will race releases between sites. Usually they will have access to a number of sites and will fxp release as soon as they're released. FXP'ing a release will gain credits. The ratio is usually 1:3, so fxp'ing 3 GB will get them 9 GB credits on the site. The race is to upload the most parts of the release at the fastest speed. Racing happends shortly after a release is released
bron: http://scenegrouplist.com/scene_info_About_the_scene_tsh.php
Goede en duidelijke uitleg
Hihi, leuk om dit zo weer eens te lezen, zo'n 15 jaar geleden heb ik helaas mijn BBS (toen nog zonder internet) aan de wilgen moeten hangen omdat mijn ouders de telefoon rekening niet meer wilde betalen (1x uitbellen, 3x inbellen...) maar ken het FXP wereldje wel, heb er zelf een paar maandjes aan mee gedaan maar kon er het plezier niet van waarderen (zoals meeste FXPers wel deden)
Jammer dat die oude goede tijd weg is, toen was er nog software met duidelijke omschrijving, alle informatie in file_id.diz
pink even een traantje weg waren late nachten, lange dagen!!!
Jammer dat die oude goede tijd weg is, toen was er nog software met duidelijke omschrijving, alle informatie in file_id.diz
pink even een traantje weg waren late nachten, lange dagen!!!
Just say hi!
Vandaag beetje zitten zoeken of er nog FXP boards bestaan. Kan niet echt wat vinden.. de Scene is zo goed als dood
vroeger uuuuuren zitten klooien op die boards, met mn casema basic verbindingtje
The-blvd dat was een top board!, heeft tot volgens mij nog niet zo heel lang geleden bestaan..
vroeger uuuuuren zitten klooien op die boards, met mn casema basic verbindingtje
The-blvd dat was een top board!, heeft tot volgens mij nog niet zo heel lang geleden bestaan..
Ik boek je met mijn neon je weet.
en ik heb ook een auto.
en ik heb ook een auto.
Oeh! dit topic wil ik in leven houden!!!! Wat hield ik van die goeie ouwe tijd! :-)
[quote][img]http://i.fokzine.net/p/0s.gif[/img] Op woensdag 14 september 2011 00:25 schreef Saisai het volgende:
neuk me TS, ik wil je.
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neuk me TS, ik wil je.
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Hey Kerel, ik kon mijn passwoord niet meer herstellen ivm oud mail adres van mijn account devi2012quote:
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Hehe, wie was jij dan, ik heb ook een tijd op CTD gezeten. Aaltjuh is toen opgepakt omdat hij de database van een reisbureau had verwijderd volgens mij, sindsdien nooit meer gezien.
NWS / Zes ton boete voor hacker (16)
maar ik was Demon van forsaken
en zat op alle top boards
dit waren echt mooie tijden, om nooit te vergeten
Haha mooi topic! DFF bestaat nog wel maar daar gebeurt niks meer op qua fxp gebeuren.
Vroeger was een mooie tijd, lekker knallen met die games etc.
Vroeger was een mooie tijd, lekker knallen met die games etc.
Heb zelf ook op CTD gezeten.. Evenals forgotten, MiFF, VoCHT, en WiZDOM.. Herken veel namen die hierboven worden genoemd.. Herinneren jullie het gedoe met het sniffen van elkaars wachtwoorden nog?
Mooie tijd.. heb nog steeds toegang tot wat gbit hostings in the UK.. Heb er vorig jaar een paar gebruikt als seedbox voor wat prive torrent sites.. zodat ik daar nu onbeperkt kan downloaden. Maar nu dus al een lange tijd geen verbinding gemaakt naar die servers, durf het niet meer aan.
Mooie tijd.. heb nog steeds toegang tot wat gbit hostings in the UK.. Heb er vorig jaar een paar gebruikt als seedbox voor wat prive torrent sites.. zodat ik daar nu onbeperkt kan downloaden. Maar nu dus al een lange tijd geen verbinding gemaakt naar die servers, durf het niet meer aan.
Ik was moderator op Ignition. Heb ook op Saccon, Wizdom gezeten.
Rosevalley was toen helemaal da bomb ofzo.
Ben blij dat ik nu usenet heb, scheelt me een hoop tijd.
Rosevalley was toen helemaal da bomb ofzo.
Ben blij dat ik nu usenet heb, scheelt me een hoop tijd.
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mogguh. kent iemand HollandFXP nog? hehehehe
Was een van de bazen van OOmpah. Lang lang geleden, wat een tijd was dat.
Werkte toentertijd zelf op een abuse afdeling, ideaal. Alle abuse meldingen over mezelf verdwenen spontaan in die tijd
Werkte toentertijd zelf op een abuse afdeling, ideaal. Alle abuse meldingen over mezelf verdwenen spontaan in die tijd
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