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Het is een tijd geleden dat ik zoiets kortzichtigs heb gehoord.quote:Op zaterdag 19 november 2011 20:56 schreef DrDentz het volgende:
Maar ik hoorde dat vaak tijdens MJ's eigen rechtszaak, dat justitie er daar op uit is om rijke zwarte mannen achter de tralies te gooien, dus het zou kunnen, dat ze dachten dat hij rijk was door z'n dure pak enzo.
Justitie had allang kunnen uitzoeken hoeveel er op zijn rekeningen stond, sterker nog, ik denk dat ze daar allang naar gekeken hebben. Veel schulden zou een reden kunnen zijn om iemand te vermoorden.
[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door S1nn3rz op 19-11-2011 21:08:42 ]
From feudal serf to spender.
Nou vreemd dat je dat vaak gehoord hebt, ik totaal niet, en ik heb het toch helemaal gevolgd 
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Thanks!quote:
Cool om te zien
Enig idee vanaf waar dat was? Eerst voorbij de hoofdingang gereden en dan links een berg op ofzo? Of is dit al ergens voor je bij de hoofdingang aankomt?
Haters everywhere but I don't really care.
Graag gedaan!quote:
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Thanks!
Cool om te zien
Enig idee vanaf waar dat was? Eerst voorbij de hoofdingang gereden en dan links een berg op ofzo? Of is dit al ergens voor je bij de hoofdingang aankomt?
Het bruine hek (aan je linkerhand) voorbijrijden en dan de weg volgen. Dan kwam je bij een berg waar je op kon rijden. Ik ben naar het hoogste punt gereden en toen gekeken of ik iets kon zien. Er woonden kennelijk ook gewoon mensen daarboven, kwam geregeld een auto tegen.
From feudal serf to spender.
Was dit trouwens een dienstingang ofzo? Dat is me eigenlijk nooit helemaal duidelijk geworden. Ik dacht altijd dat de 'echte' ingang ergens anders was. 
Ik denk trouwens dat ik de berg opgereden ben die je op foto 4 ziet.
Ik denk trouwens dat ik de berg opgereden ben die je op foto 4 ziet.
From feudal serf to spender.
Ik ook volgens mij, maar niet goed genoeg terug gekeken waarschijnlijk
Dit was wel de echte ingang volgens mij, maar het "Neverland" hek stond een paar honderd meter verder en kon je dus niet zien...
Dit was wel de echte ingang volgens mij, maar het "Neverland" hek stond een paar honderd meter verder en kon je dus niet zien...
Haters everywhere but I don't really care.
MJs eigen rechtszaak van 2003-05 hèquote:
Nou vreemd dat je dat vaak gehoord hebt, ik totaal niet, en ik heb het toch helemaal gevolgd
standaarddrinker
Ah cool, ik dacht dat er aan de andere kant van het terrein ook nog een hek zat.quote:
Ik ook volgens mij, maar niet goed genoeg terug gekeken waarschijnlijk
Dit was wel de echte ingang volgens mij, maar het "Neverland" hek stond een paar honderd meter verder en kon je dus niet zien...
Moest inderdaad flink hoog de berg op en inzoomen, anders zag je inderdaad helemaal niks. (echt een mega terrein wat hij in bezit had)
From feudal serf to spender.
Wij waren naar zo'n Ranger Station ofzo gereden, laatste stuk via zandweggetjes, 40 graden, lampje van oververhitte versnellingsbak aan... Zweten 
Maar ja, dat is ook wel een onvergetelijke ervaring
Had wel zoomlens mee, maar d'r niet aan gedacht.... Mooi excuus om ooit nog een terug te gaan
Maar ja, dat is ook wel een onvergetelijke ervaring
Had wel zoomlens mee, maar d'r niet aan gedacht.... Mooi excuus om ooit nog een terug te gaan
Haters everywhere but I don't really care.
ik denk dat je nog een stukje hoger bent geweest! Volgens mij ligt de ranch links in het groen. Heb alleen in Death Valley bijna zonder benzine gestaan. 
Wil ook zeker nog een keer terug, ben je ook bij zijn huis in Beverly Hills geweest?
From feudal serf to spender.
'Er was geen reden om 911 te bellen'
behalve dan dat hij geen ademhaling en hartslag had
behalve dan dat hij geen ademhaling en hartslag had
standaarddrinker
@S1nn3rz, heb ze ff opgezocht (oud topic):
Encinohuis van mama Jackson:
En Holmby Hills:
Mural:
Forest Lawn:
DE deur:
Bovenaan achter die boom ligt ie:
Huis uit de Thriller video:
MJ bij Grammy Museum:
Nog een mural:
Walk of Fame:
Madame Tussaud:
Nog 3 dan, van omgeving Neverland:
Hekken:
Omgeving:
Leasing of the cows?
Encinohuis van mama Jackson:
En Holmby Hills:
Mural:
Forest Lawn:
DE deur:
Bovenaan achter die boom ligt ie:
Huis uit de Thriller video:
MJ bij Grammy Museum:
Nog een mural:
Walk of Fame:
Madame Tussaud:
Nog 3 dan, van omgeving Neverland:
Hekken:
Omgeving:
Leasing of the cows?
Haters everywhere but I don't really care.
Wauw! Mooie foto's!
Forest Lawn ben ik jammer genoeg niet geweest, was het indrukwekkend om het gebouw te zien?
Mooie foto's! Forest Lawn ben ik jammer genoeg niet geweest, was het indrukwekkend om het gebouw te zien?
From feudal serf to spender.
Tragische docu zonet op tv... Murray lijkt een getalenteerd acteur, maar ik kan me ook wel inbeelden dat hij al die dingen echt zo voelt/meemaakt. Hij leek wel echt om MJ te geven. Maar ondanks alles blijft het gewoon stom hoe hij alles heeft aangepakt...
Lachen om Flanagan en Chernoff achter de schermen bezig te zien ("Fuck you!"). Nu heb ik dus wel echt officiëel een hekel aan Flanagan, wat een kortzichtige lul zeg. Chernoff lijkt mee te vallen. Murray was duidelijk ook not amused met hun aanpak en gestuntel!
O ja, ook dat shirt wat hij op een gegeven moment aanheeft met "OOPS" op de voorkant 
Lachen om Flanagan en Chernoff achter de schermen bezig te zien ("Fuck you!"). Nu heb ik dus wel echt officiëel een hekel aan Flanagan, wat een kortzichtige lul zeg. Chernoff lijkt mee te vallen. Murray was duidelijk ook not amused met hun aanpak en gestuntel!
O ja, ook dat shirt wat hij op een gegeven moment aanheeft met "OOPS" op de voorkant
Dat einde dan.. huilen en naar de spiegel lopen om zijn tranen uit te vegen.. hoe vaak zou hij die scene gerepeteerd hebben?
standaarddrinker
Ik vind et een nepkerel. Murray dus. Komt op mij erg erg gekunsteld over allemaal. En praatjes vullen geen gaatjes...
Ben wel blij dat ze achter Murray's eigen opgenomen spul nog een stuk rechtszaak hebben laten zien. Dat brengt het toch wel meer in evenwicht.
Flanagan! Vreselijke man, had het idee dat Chernoff dat ook vond
Ben wel blij dat ze achter Murray's eigen opgenomen spul nog een stuk rechtszaak hebben laten zien. Dat brengt het toch wel meer in evenwicht.
Flanagan! Vreselijke man, had het idee dat Chernoff dat ook vond
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Was wel ff indrukwekkend, gewoon het idee, dat je vlakbij z'n graftombe bent.quote:
Wauw!
Forest Lawn ben ik jammer genoeg niet geweest, was het indrukwekkend om het gebouw te zien?
Wel erg jammer dat je er niet bij mag komen, maar ja...
Haters everywhere but I don't really care.
Ik denk dat het toch wel een goed idee was van de familie om niemand bij MJ te laten...anders was er weinig meer van de tombe over geweest. En van de rust daar in het gebouw.quote:
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Was wel ff indrukwekkend, gewoon het idee, dat je vlakbij z'n graftombe bent.
Wel erg jammer dat je er niet bij mag komen, maar ja...
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Discord Over Strategy on Dr. Conrad Murray's Defense Team
The lawyers representing Dr. Conrad Murray in Los Angeles Superior Court had no reason to cheer on Nov. 8, but it wasn't just the guilty verdict that created tension on the trial team.
For much of the trial, discord dominated relations between Houston lawyer Ed Chernoff, who led the criminal-defense team for Murray, and his co-counsel J. Michael Flanagan of Glendale, Calif.'s Flanagan Unger Grover & McCool. Neither lawyer plans to represent Murray on appeal.
"This is the first time I've done a case with co-counsel in 30 years, and we had a difference of opinion about how the case should be handled," Flanagan says.
The California criminal trial of Murray ended with the jury convicting him of one count of involuntary manslaughter related to the death of pop star Michael Jackson. Citing Murray's significant ties outside the state of California (Murray formerly had a practice in Houston) and public safety concerns, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael E. Pastor remanded Murray into custody, noting sentencing would occur on Nov. 29.
Chernoff of Stradley Chernoff & Alford sat at the defense table with Flanagan for the entire six weeks of the trial. At the start, Chernoff lived at Flanagan's home to save on expenses, but after several weeks Chernoff says he moved out. The cause of the strained relationship? Disagreements over trial strategy, specifically how to handle the examination of expert witnesses, among other things. Plus, Chernoff says, "You can only impose on co-counsel for so long."
Flanagan says, "Dr. Murray got Monday morning-quarterbacking on his doctoring, so I don't want to be Monday morning-quarterbacking Ed's lawyering." But he notes that he disagreed with Chernoff over whether Murray should testify on his own behalf: Flanagan thought he should, but Chernoff said no. In the end, Murray did not take the stand.
"You had a doctor providing an unusual drug under unusual circumstances for an unusual person. We could never get past that as logical as we tried to be. And as much as we tried to differentiate the case from that, we couldn't get past it. There was an elephant in the room and we could never feed it enough peanuts," Chernoff says, referring to the decision not to have Murray testify.
But Flanagan says, "I think the elephant was the need for the doctor to explain what he did."
Flanagan says he also proposed a different tack for cross-examining the last prosecution witness: Dr. Stephen Shafer, an anesthesiologist. "I thought we ought to go after Shafer real hard. Ed didn't," Flanagan says. At trial, it was Chernoff who cross-examined Shafer — instead of Flanagan, as the defense team initially had planned.
The tension between Chernoff and Flanagan was apparent in the documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor: A Fatal Friendship," which recently aired on MNSBC and other networks. In one scene, Chernoff prepares to leave Flanagan's house as Flanagan curses at Chernoff, then admonishes him saying he has the trial strategy "all mapped out. . . ."
Chernoff says "the carnival atmosphere" put more pressure on the defense team and on Murray. "The press tried to create drama; the whole thing was a reality show," Chernoff says. Thankfully, the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department helped the defense team use "backdoor entrances" to avoid the press, he says. "They took my client and me away from the hordes of people out there when they could have done nothing."
Occasional weekends home in Houston and several excursions to the beach in California also eased the stress, Chernoff says.
"In a trial like this you are going to have some disagreements among the counsel, and the lead counsel has to make the decisions," Chernoff says. "And that's the way it was happening at this trial. I had to make some decisions."
Back to California
Within 48 hours of the verdict in People of the State of California v. Conrad Robert Murray , Chernoff had flown back to Houston, welcomed by his law partners who needed him to get back to work right away. But it isn't just Murrays' sentencing that will have Chernoff and partner Matt Alford back in California on Nov. 29.
Judge Pastor has ordered Alford to appear before him at a hearing related to Alford's September appearance on NBC's "Today" show. Pastor had issued a gag order in Murray's case. "In my 20 years of practice I have never knowingly or otherwise violated a court order," Alford says.
Chernoff says of the hearing, "I think it's bullish and typical."
Chernoff and Flanagan will represent Murray at his Nov. 29 sentencing hearing, where Murray faces up to four years in prison. Chernoff says he has turned to a sentencing specialist with a background in the California justice system for help preparing. He has not decided if he will present any witnesses at the hearing. Unlike Texas, California juries do not participate in sentencing, he says.
Sandi Gibbons, a spokeswoman for the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office, which prosecuted Murray, did not return a telephone call and an email seeking comment.
Chernoff says he has received telephone calls from prospective clients who watched him defend Murray. "I've already got a couple calls from California," notes Chernoff, who passed the California bar exam last year. [See "Houston Meets Hollywood," Texas Lawyer , Jan. 31, 2011, page 1.]
But he has no plans to take on any more California cases. "I'm not saying there is not another case; I reckon I will. But it's going to have to be a special case."
It is unknown who will represent Murray in his appeal, Chernoff says. Flanagan says he prefers trial work. Chernoff says he already has spent three months away from his Houston firm, and his partners and family "deserve better than that." Plus he has a trial set to begin in a Houston court on Dec. 15.
He believes a new lawyer who wasn't involved with the trial will have a fresh perspective and be better equipped to develop an effective appellate strategy for Murray.
Citing attorney-client privilege, Chernoff and Flanagan decline to discuss how much they charged Murray in legal fees. But so far, the financial remuneration for representing Murray has not been equal to the task, Chernoff says. "If Dr. Murray had paid me a quarter-million dollars, it was entirely too little considering the amount of work that was involved and the collateral issues that were attached," Chernoff says.
In January, Chernoff told Texas Lawyer, "If I walk out with my client at the end of the trial, it's going to have a tremendous impact on my practice. If I don't walk out [with him], I'm going to be the guy who lost the biggest trial since O.J. Simpson's." Now that Murray's trial is over, Chernoff sticks by that sentiment.
"I'm glad I did it," he says, "but, yes, it's a big loss. But as a defense attorney you are not worth a crap if you don't try these things. Defense attorneys often lose, but what differentiates those attorneys are those who are willing to get on the bull in the first place."
http://www.law.com/j...4349&slreturn=1
The lawyers representing Dr. Conrad Murray in Los Angeles Superior Court had no reason to cheer on Nov. 8, but it wasn't just the guilty verdict that created tension on the trial team.
For much of the trial, discord dominated relations between Houston lawyer Ed Chernoff, who led the criminal-defense team for Murray, and his co-counsel J. Michael Flanagan of Glendale, Calif.'s Flanagan Unger Grover & McCool. Neither lawyer plans to represent Murray on appeal.
"This is the first time I've done a case with co-counsel in 30 years, and we had a difference of opinion about how the case should be handled," Flanagan says.
The California criminal trial of Murray ended with the jury convicting him of one count of involuntary manslaughter related to the death of pop star Michael Jackson. Citing Murray's significant ties outside the state of California (Murray formerly had a practice in Houston) and public safety concerns, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael E. Pastor remanded Murray into custody, noting sentencing would occur on Nov. 29.
Chernoff of Stradley Chernoff & Alford sat at the defense table with Flanagan for the entire six weeks of the trial. At the start, Chernoff lived at Flanagan's home to save on expenses, but after several weeks Chernoff says he moved out. The cause of the strained relationship? Disagreements over trial strategy, specifically how to handle the examination of expert witnesses, among other things. Plus, Chernoff says, "You can only impose on co-counsel for so long."
Flanagan says, "Dr. Murray got Monday morning-quarterbacking on his doctoring, so I don't want to be Monday morning-quarterbacking Ed's lawyering." But he notes that he disagreed with Chernoff over whether Murray should testify on his own behalf: Flanagan thought he should, but Chernoff said no. In the end, Murray did not take the stand.
"You had a doctor providing an unusual drug under unusual circumstances for an unusual person. We could never get past that as logical as we tried to be. And as much as we tried to differentiate the case from that, we couldn't get past it. There was an elephant in the room and we could never feed it enough peanuts," Chernoff says, referring to the decision not to have Murray testify.
But Flanagan says, "I think the elephant was the need for the doctor to explain what he did."
Flanagan says he also proposed a different tack for cross-examining the last prosecution witness: Dr. Stephen Shafer, an anesthesiologist. "I thought we ought to go after Shafer real hard. Ed didn't," Flanagan says. At trial, it was Chernoff who cross-examined Shafer — instead of Flanagan, as the defense team initially had planned.
The tension between Chernoff and Flanagan was apparent in the documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor: A Fatal Friendship," which recently aired on MNSBC and other networks. In one scene, Chernoff prepares to leave Flanagan's house as Flanagan curses at Chernoff, then admonishes him saying he has the trial strategy "all mapped out. . . ."
Chernoff says "the carnival atmosphere" put more pressure on the defense team and on Murray. "The press tried to create drama; the whole thing was a reality show," Chernoff says. Thankfully, the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department helped the defense team use "backdoor entrances" to avoid the press, he says. "They took my client and me away from the hordes of people out there when they could have done nothing."
Occasional weekends home in Houston and several excursions to the beach in California also eased the stress, Chernoff says.
"In a trial like this you are going to have some disagreements among the counsel, and the lead counsel has to make the decisions," Chernoff says. "And that's the way it was happening at this trial. I had to make some decisions."
Back to California
Within 48 hours of the verdict in People of the State of California v. Conrad Robert Murray , Chernoff had flown back to Houston, welcomed by his law partners who needed him to get back to work right away. But it isn't just Murrays' sentencing that will have Chernoff and partner Matt Alford back in California on Nov. 29.
Judge Pastor has ordered Alford to appear before him at a hearing related to Alford's September appearance on NBC's "Today" show. Pastor had issued a gag order in Murray's case. "In my 20 years of practice I have never knowingly or otherwise violated a court order," Alford says.
Chernoff says of the hearing, "I think it's bullish and typical."
Chernoff and Flanagan will represent Murray at his Nov. 29 sentencing hearing, where Murray faces up to four years in prison. Chernoff says he has turned to a sentencing specialist with a background in the California justice system for help preparing. He has not decided if he will present any witnesses at the hearing. Unlike Texas, California juries do not participate in sentencing, he says.
Sandi Gibbons, a spokeswoman for the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office, which prosecuted Murray, did not return a telephone call and an email seeking comment.
Chernoff says he has received telephone calls from prospective clients who watched him defend Murray. "I've already got a couple calls from California," notes Chernoff, who passed the California bar exam last year. [See "Houston Meets Hollywood," Texas Lawyer , Jan. 31, 2011, page 1.]
But he has no plans to take on any more California cases. "I'm not saying there is not another case; I reckon I will. But it's going to have to be a special case."
It is unknown who will represent Murray in his appeal, Chernoff says. Flanagan says he prefers trial work. Chernoff says he already has spent three months away from his Houston firm, and his partners and family "deserve better than that." Plus he has a trial set to begin in a Houston court on Dec. 15.
He believes a new lawyer who wasn't involved with the trial will have a fresh perspective and be better equipped to develop an effective appellate strategy for Murray.
Citing attorney-client privilege, Chernoff and Flanagan decline to discuss how much they charged Murray in legal fees. But so far, the financial remuneration for representing Murray has not been equal to the task, Chernoff says. "If Dr. Murray had paid me a quarter-million dollars, it was entirely too little considering the amount of work that was involved and the collateral issues that were attached," Chernoff says.
In January, Chernoff told Texas Lawyer, "If I walk out with my client at the end of the trial, it's going to have a tremendous impact on my practice. If I don't walk out [with him], I'm going to be the guy who lost the biggest trial since O.J. Simpson's." Now that Murray's trial is over, Chernoff sticks by that sentiment.
"I'm glad I did it," he says, "but, yes, it's a big loss. But as a defense attorney you are not worth a crap if you don't try these things. Defense attorneys often lose, but what differentiates those attorneys are those who are willing to get on the bull in the first place."
http://www.law.com/j...4349&slreturn=1
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