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BREAKING — President Obama Will Announce Today Complete Drawdown of US Troops in Iraq to Zero By End of Year
Sources tell ABC News that the president will announce today that US troops in Iraq will draw down to zero by the end of the year.
A White House official says that at approximately 11:30am today, President Obama convened a secure video conference with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki to talk with him about this news.
-Jake Tapper and Luis Martinez
Bron: ABC News
Dat zou een flinke belofte zijn. Gaat dat lukken?
Sources tell ABC News that the president will announce today that US troops in Iraq will draw down to zero by the end of the year.
A White House official says that at approximately 11:30am today, President Obama convened a secure video conference with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki to talk with him about this news.
-Jake Tapper and Luis Martinez
Bron: ABC News
Dat zou een flinke belofte zijn. Gaat dat lukken?
"Any officer who goes into action without his sword is improperly dressed." - "Mad Jack" Churchill DSO MC
US Drops Plans to Keep Troops in Iraq
October 15, 2011
Associated Press
BAGHDAD --The U.S. is abandoning plans to keep U.S. troops in Iraq past a year-end withdrawal deadline, The Associated Press has learned. The decision to pull out fully by January will effectively end more than eight years of U.S. involvement in the Iraq war, despite ongoing concerns about its security forces and the potential for instability.
The decision ends months of hand-wringing by U.S. officials over whether to stick to a Dec. 31 withdrawal deadline that was set in 2008 or negotiate a new security agreement to ensure that gains made and more than 4,400 American military lives lost since March 2003 do not go to waste.
In recent months, Washington has been discussing with Iraqi leaders the possibility of several thousand American troops remaining to continue training Iraqi security forces.
But a senior Obama administration official in Washington confirmed Saturday that all American troops will leave Iraq except for about 160 active-duty soldiers attached to the U.S. Embassy.
A senior U.S. military official confirmed the departure and said the withdrawal could allow future but limited U.S. military training missions in Iraq if requested.
Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.
Throughout the discussions, Iraqi leaders have adamantly refused to give U.S. troops immunity from prosecution in Iraqi courts, and the Americans have refused to stay without it. Iraq's leadership has been split on whether it wanted American forces to stay. Some argued the further training and U.S. help was vital, particularly to protect Iraq's airspace and gather security intelligence. But others have deeply opposed any American troop presence, including Shiite militiamen who have threatened attacks on any American forces who remain.
Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has told U.S. military officials that he does not have the votes in parliament to provide immunity to the American trainers, the U.S. military official said.
A western diplomatic official in Iraq said al-Maliki told international diplomats he will not bring the immunity issue to parliament because lawmakers will not approve it.
Iraqi lawmakers excel at last-minute agreements. But with little wiggle room on the immunity issue and the U.S. military needing to move equipment out as soon as possible, a last-minute change between now and December 31 seems almost out of the question.
Regardless of whether U.S. troops are here or not, there will be a massive American diplomatic presence.
The U.S. Embassy in Baghdad is the largest in the world, and the State Department will have offices in Basra, Irbil and Kirkuk as well as other locations around the country where contractors will train Iraqi forces on U.S. military equipment they're purchasing.
About 5,000 security contractors and personnel will be tasked with helping protect American diplomats and facilities around the country, the State Department has said.
The U.S. Embassy will still have a handful of U.S. Marines for protection and 157 U.S. military personnel in charge of facilitating weapons sales to Iraq. Those are standard functions at most American embassies around the world and would be considered part of the regular embassy staff.
When the 2008 agreement requiring all U.S. forces leave Iraq was passed, many U.S. officials assumed it would inevitably be renegotiated so that American forces could stay longer.
The U.S. said repeatedly this year it would entertain an offer from the Iraqis to have a small force stay behind, and the Iraqis said they would like American military help. But as the year wore on and the number of American troops that Washington was suggesting could stay behind dropped, it became increasingly clear that a U.S. troop presence was not a sure thing.
The issue of legal protection for the Americans was the deal-breaker.
Iraqis are still angry over incidents such as the Abu Ghraib prison scandal or Haditha, when U.S. troops killed Iraqi civilians in Anbar province, and want American troops subject to Iraqi law.
American commanders don't want to risk having their forces end up in an Iraqi courtroom if they're forced to defend themselves in a still-hostile environment.
It is highly unlikely that Iraqi lawmakers would have the time to approve a U.S. troop deal even if they wanted to. The parliament is in recess on its Hajj break until Nov. 20, leaving just a few weeks for legislative action before the end of year deadline.
Going down to zero by the end of this year would allow both al-Maliki and President Barack Obama to claim victory. Obama will have fulfilled a key campaign promise to end the war and al-Maliki will have ended the American presence in Iraq and restored Iraqi sovereignty.
The Iraqi prime minister was also under intense pressure from his anti-American allies, the Sadrists, to reject any American military presence.
An advisor close to al-Maliki said the Americans suggested during negotiations that if no deal is reached in time, U.S. troops could be stationed in Kuwait.
With the U.S. military presence in Iraq currently at about 41,000 and heading down to zero, almost all of those forces will be flowing out of Iraq into Kuwait and then home or other locations.
A western expert in Iraq said it is conceivable that if the Iraqi government asks early next year for U.S. troops to return, there will be forces still in Kuwait able to come back and do the job.
But he stressed that the core problems still remain on the Iraqi side about what types of legal immunity to give the American troops and whether parliament can pass it.
October 15, 2011
Associated Press
BAGHDAD --The U.S. is abandoning plans to keep U.S. troops in Iraq past a year-end withdrawal deadline, The Associated Press has learned. The decision to pull out fully by January will effectively end more than eight years of U.S. involvement in the Iraq war, despite ongoing concerns about its security forces and the potential for instability.
The decision ends months of hand-wringing by U.S. officials over whether to stick to a Dec. 31 withdrawal deadline that was set in 2008 or negotiate a new security agreement to ensure that gains made and more than 4,400 American military lives lost since March 2003 do not go to waste.
In recent months, Washington has been discussing with Iraqi leaders the possibility of several thousand American troops remaining to continue training Iraqi security forces.
But a senior Obama administration official in Washington confirmed Saturday that all American troops will leave Iraq except for about 160 active-duty soldiers attached to the U.S. Embassy.
A senior U.S. military official confirmed the departure and said the withdrawal could allow future but limited U.S. military training missions in Iraq if requested.
Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.
Throughout the discussions, Iraqi leaders have adamantly refused to give U.S. troops immunity from prosecution in Iraqi courts, and the Americans have refused to stay without it. Iraq's leadership has been split on whether it wanted American forces to stay. Some argued the further training and U.S. help was vital, particularly to protect Iraq's airspace and gather security intelligence. But others have deeply opposed any American troop presence, including Shiite militiamen who have threatened attacks on any American forces who remain.
Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has told U.S. military officials that he does not have the votes in parliament to provide immunity to the American trainers, the U.S. military official said.
A western diplomatic official in Iraq said al-Maliki told international diplomats he will not bring the immunity issue to parliament because lawmakers will not approve it.
Iraqi lawmakers excel at last-minute agreements. But with little wiggle room on the immunity issue and the U.S. military needing to move equipment out as soon as possible, a last-minute change between now and December 31 seems almost out of the question.
Regardless of whether U.S. troops are here or not, there will be a massive American diplomatic presence.
The U.S. Embassy in Baghdad is the largest in the world, and the State Department will have offices in Basra, Irbil and Kirkuk as well as other locations around the country where contractors will train Iraqi forces on U.S. military equipment they're purchasing.
About 5,000 security contractors and personnel will be tasked with helping protect American diplomats and facilities around the country, the State Department has said.
The U.S. Embassy will still have a handful of U.S. Marines for protection and 157 U.S. military personnel in charge of facilitating weapons sales to Iraq. Those are standard functions at most American embassies around the world and would be considered part of the regular embassy staff.
When the 2008 agreement requiring all U.S. forces leave Iraq was passed, many U.S. officials assumed it would inevitably be renegotiated so that American forces could stay longer.
The U.S. said repeatedly this year it would entertain an offer from the Iraqis to have a small force stay behind, and the Iraqis said they would like American military help. But as the year wore on and the number of American troops that Washington was suggesting could stay behind dropped, it became increasingly clear that a U.S. troop presence was not a sure thing.
The issue of legal protection for the Americans was the deal-breaker.
Iraqis are still angry over incidents such as the Abu Ghraib prison scandal or Haditha, when U.S. troops killed Iraqi civilians in Anbar province, and want American troops subject to Iraqi law.
American commanders don't want to risk having their forces end up in an Iraqi courtroom if they're forced to defend themselves in a still-hostile environment.
It is highly unlikely that Iraqi lawmakers would have the time to approve a U.S. troop deal even if they wanted to. The parliament is in recess on its Hajj break until Nov. 20, leaving just a few weeks for legislative action before the end of year deadline.
Going down to zero by the end of this year would allow both al-Maliki and President Barack Obama to claim victory. Obama will have fulfilled a key campaign promise to end the war and al-Maliki will have ended the American presence in Iraq and restored Iraqi sovereignty.
The Iraqi prime minister was also under intense pressure from his anti-American allies, the Sadrists, to reject any American military presence.
An advisor close to al-Maliki said the Americans suggested during negotiations that if no deal is reached in time, U.S. troops could be stationed in Kuwait.
With the U.S. military presence in Iraq currently at about 41,000 and heading down to zero, almost all of those forces will be flowing out of Iraq into Kuwait and then home or other locations.
A western expert in Iraq said it is conceivable that if the Iraqi government asks early next year for U.S. troops to return, there will be forces still in Kuwait able to come back and do the job.
But he stressed that the core problems still remain on the Iraqi side about what types of legal immunity to give the American troops and whether parliament can pass it.
Toch knap van de VS , na 9 jaar en weet niet hoeveel levens, het weten te flikken om het land in een nog slechtere toestand achter te laten dan toen je er binnenviel 
Nah, zeer kleine kans. De Amerikanen die er nu zijn doen ook al vrij weinig en er is geen burgeroorlog.quote:Op vrijdag 21 oktober 2011 18:38 schreef Nemephis het volgende:
En dan daarna een dikke burgeroorlog om de macht waarschijnlijk.
Knap? Ze doen niet anders.quote:
Toch knap van de VS, na 9 jaar en weet niet hoeveel levens, het weten te flikken om het land in een nog slechtere toestand achter te laten dan toen je er binnenviel
And remember, respect is everything!
Het knelpunt: Iraqi leaders have adamantly refused to give U.S. troops immunity from prosecution in Iraqi courts, and the Americans have refused to stay without it.
Beiden landen krijgen dus hun zin. Irak is van de US troepen af en de US (Obama) voldoet aan haar belofte om de troepen naar huis te halen en Irak zelfstandig te maken.
Of het een goed plan is? Nee, volgens mij niet. Dit gaat weer een hoop gerommel in Irak veroorzaken.
Beiden landen krijgen dus hun zin. Irak is van de US troepen af en de US (Obama) voldoet aan haar belofte om de troepen naar huis te halen en Irak zelfstandig te maken.
Of het een goed plan is? Nee, volgens mij niet. Dit gaat weer een hoop gerommel in Irak veroorzaken.
"Any officer who goes into action without his sword is improperly dressed." - "Mad Jack" Churchill DSO MC
Waarom zou het meer gerommel veroorzaken? Irak is op dit moment aan het groeien en de veiligheid wordt momenteel niet verzekerd door de Amerikanen maar de Irakezen zelf.quote:Op vrijdag 21 oktober 2011 19:28 schreef Cobra4 het volgende:
Het knelpunt: Iraqi leaders have adamantly refused to give U.S. troops immunity from prosecution in Iraqi courts, and the Americans have refused to stay without it.
Beiden landen krijgen dus hun zin. Irak is van de US troepen af en de US (Obama) voldoet aan haar belofte om de troepen naar huis te halen en Irak zelfstandig te maken.
Of het een goed plan is? Nee, volgens mij niet. Dit gaat weer een hoop gerommel in Irak veroorzaken.
Terrorism is the poor mans war, war is the rich mans terrorism.
Correct, ze zijn zeer zeker aan het groeien.quote:
[..]
Waarom zou het meer gerommel veroorzaken? Irak is op dit moment aan het groeien en de veiligheid wordt momenteel niet verzekerd door de Amerikanen maar de Irakezen zelf.
Maar zijn ze al sterk genoeg?
"Any officer who goes into action without his sword is improperly dressed." - "Mad Jack" Churchill DSO MC
Naar mijn mening wel. De (~40,000) Amerikanen die er nu zijn doen ondersteunend werk en helpen de politie en het leger. Dat de terroristen opeens actief (actiever) worden na de terugtrekking weten we niet, ja.quote:
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Correct, ze zijn zeer zeker aan het groeien.
Maar zijn ze al sterk genoeg?
Terrorism is the poor mans war, war is the rich mans terrorism.
Ik hoop dat het leger en de politie van Irak het gaan redden. Ik gun het Irak zeker.quote:
[..]
Naar mijn mening wel. De (~40,000) Amerikanen die er nu zijn doen ondersteunend werk en helpen de politie en het leger. Dat de terroristen opeens actief (actiever) worden na de terugtrekking weten we niet, ja.
Mocht dat niet lukken dan hoop ik dat Irak niet te trots is om te vragen voor ondersteuning.
"Any officer who goes into action without his sword is improperly dressed." - "Mad Jack" Churchill DSO MC
Vast niet. Niet alleen de US huurde hen.quote:
Hoe zit het met die Blackwater/DynCorp huurlingen? Ik vraag me af of die ook teruggaan.
"Any officer who goes into action without his sword is improperly dressed." - "Mad Jack" Churchill DSO MC
"The U.S. Embassy in Baghdad is the largest in the world, and the State Department will have offices in Basra, Irbil and Kirkuk as well as other locations around the country where contractors will train Iraqi forces on U.S. military equipment they're purchasing.quote:
Hoe zit het met die Blackwater/DynCorp huurlingen? Ik vraag me af of die ook teruggaan.
About 5,000 security contractors and personnel will be tasked with helping protect American diplomats and facilities around the country, the State Department has said."
(uit het artikel in m'n post hierboven)
Ik hoop het ook!quote:
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Ik hoop dat het leger en de politie van Irak het gaan redden. Ik gun het Irak zeker.
Mocht dat niet lukken dan hoop ik dat Irak niet te trots is om te vragen voor ondersteuning.
Dat zou dom van Irak zijn, maar zal hopelijk niet gebeuren.
Terrorism is the poor mans war, war is the rich mans terrorism.
De oorlog is veel te duur, euh gewonnen!
In Baden-Badener Badeseen kann man Baden-Badener baden sehen.
Ho ho, ze hebben daar wel gevochten voor onze vrijheid ja!quote:
Toch knap van de VS , na 9 jaar en weet niet hoeveel levens, het weten te flikken om het land in een nog slechtere toestand achter te laten dan toen je er binnenviel
Ik kan nu Saddam weg is eindelijk weer op twee oren slapen.
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