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Joe ziet ze nog steeds vliegen inderdaad 
EMT peeps will say in court that when they arrived MJ was DEAD....FLATLINED, PUPILS DIALATED, COOL TO THE TOUCH!!
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EMT peeps will say in court that when they arrived MJ was DEAD....FLATLINED, PUPILS DIALATED, COOL TO THE TOUCH!!
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quote:Op dinsdag 4 januari 2011 19:19 schreef matthijst het volgende:
Joe ziet ze nog steeds vliegen inderdaad
EMT peeps will say in court that when they arrived MJ was DEAD....FLATLINED, PUPILS DIALATED, COOL TO THE TOUCH!!
Dat is toch te erg voor woorden als dat zo is.
Joe: Jackson tells the website, "They're going to get the doctor off."
Kenny Ortega, MJ's producer/director for "This is It," was the first to testify, stating just days before MJ died, Dr. Murray was upset that Kenny sent MJ home from rehearsal on June 19. According to Ortega ... Murray felt only he should make such decisions. According to Ortega ... Dr. Murray said during the June 20 meeting at MJ's home that Michael was "physically and emotionally fine," even though Ortega said MJ had the chills and was not well during the failed rehearsal the day before. The June 20 meeting at MJ's home is important for prosecutors, who claim it shows Murray did not care about MJ's health.
And Ortega said June 23 and 24 were "two wonderful days of rehearsal" and that MJ was happy and healthy. The point -- that Jackson wasn't in distress the day before he died, and it was the Propofol that did him in. During cross examination, Ortega denied he read Michael "the riot act" during the June 20 meeting.
Prosecutor, Over z'n dood:
Michael left the rehearsal very optimistic for the future, he told the judge.
After the singer returned to his Holmby Hills estate, Walgren said Murray gave Jackson various medications, including benzodiazepines such as lorazepam or Valium, throughout the night.
Sometime between 10:40 and 11 the next morning, Murray gave the singer a dose of propofol, a dangerous anesthetic normally used in surgery. He then made a phone call around 11:51 a.m. and about 10 minutes into the call he appeared to first realize there was something wrong with his patient, the prosecutor said.
Yet rather than calling 911, Murrays next move was to call Jacksons security personnel, most of whom werent at Jacksons home, Walgren said.
When a security guard, Alberto Alvarez, walked over from the security trailer parked next to the home, he saw Murray performing CPR with one hand on Jackson on a soft bed, according to the prosecutor. The doctor then instructed Alvarez to help him collect medical paraphernalia and stuff it into a bag, and only then told Alvarez to call 911, he said.
The prosecutor said the physician waited a minimum of nine minutes, and possibly as many as 21 minutes, before the 911 call was made. When paramedics arrived, Murray made no mention of the propofol Jackson was given, Walgren said.
Kenny Ortega, MJ's producer/director for "This is It," was the first to testify, stating just days before MJ died, Dr. Murray was upset that Kenny sent MJ home from rehearsal on June 19. According to Ortega ... Murray felt only he should make such decisions. According to Ortega ... Dr. Murray said during the June 20 meeting at MJ's home that Michael was "physically and emotionally fine," even though Ortega said MJ had the chills and was not well during the failed rehearsal the day before. The June 20 meeting at MJ's home is important for prosecutors, who claim it shows Murray did not care about MJ's health.
And Ortega said June 23 and 24 were "two wonderful days of rehearsal" and that MJ was happy and healthy. The point -- that Jackson wasn't in distress the day before he died, and it was the Propofol that did him in. During cross examination, Ortega denied he read Michael "the riot act" during the June 20 meeting.
Prosecutor, Over z'n dood:
Michael left the rehearsal very optimistic for the future, he told the judge.
After the singer returned to his Holmby Hills estate, Walgren said Murray gave Jackson various medications, including benzodiazepines such as lorazepam or Valium, throughout the night.
Sometime between 10:40 and 11 the next morning, Murray gave the singer a dose of propofol, a dangerous anesthetic normally used in surgery. He then made a phone call around 11:51 a.m. and about 10 minutes into the call he appeared to first realize there was something wrong with his patient, the prosecutor said.
Yet rather than calling 911, Murrays next move was to call Jacksons security personnel, most of whom werent at Jacksons home, Walgren said.
When a security guard, Alberto Alvarez, walked over from the security trailer parked next to the home, he saw Murray performing CPR with one hand on Jackson on a soft bed, according to the prosecutor. The doctor then instructed Alvarez to help him collect medical paraphernalia and stuff it into a bag, and only then told Alvarez to call 911, he said.
The prosecutor said the physician waited a minimum of nine minutes, and possibly as many as 21 minutes, before the 911 call was made. When paramedics arrived, Murray made no mention of the propofol Jackson was given, Walgren said.
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Tijdlijntje
June 23rd 2009..MJ normal routine to Staples Centre..rehearsal fabulous
June 24 same routine good rehearsal at staples..MJ optimistic
June 25th returns home at 1am, Murrays BMW car in driveway according to security
1:30am Court learned through evidence that Murray began treatment
2:00am valium pill administered
3:00am Intravenous diazebeem, IV of benzso
5:00am other treatment
7:30am other drugs through IV
10:40-11am infusing with propofol..at some point he ceases to breathe and dies after that
MJ dead before paramedics arrived
Only 2 pepople in room at the time MJ and Dr. Murray
11:51am call- lasted 11 mins..witness heard noises at other end of phone
Likely Conrad Murray who realized MJ was not breathing.
12:12pm Call by Murray to Michael Emeer Williams, security, saying he needs help..left a message.
12:15pm Williams returns call and Murray says MJ had a bad reaction.
Williams calls another member of security who is not at house.
12:17pm Williams then calls Alberto Alvarez who is in second trailer outside house, checks permission to go in house, goes upstairs to MJs bedroom.
He Sees MJ on bed, Murray doing one handed CPR on the soft bed.
Murray reports MJ had a bad reaction and asks Alvarez to collect medical evidence.
Prosecution says Murray has still not called 911 at this point.
12:21pm Alvarez told to get a bag and Murray collects medical bottles, and IV bag etc., as told and only then is he told to call 911.
Possible that Murray waited 20 minutes to call 911...MJ could have been dead before noon.
12:26pm Paramedics treating MJ on site. MJs Eyes fixed and dilated and he was cool to touch. He flatlined so heart action taking place. MJ dead...no observation of appropriate equipment for treatment with propofol, according to paramedics.
Asked Murray about underlying medical condition.
Murray asked what drugs he had given...doesn't mention propofol
Prosecutors says this could have been useful.
UCLA medical center advised futher care on MJ useless..they in contact with paramedics.
1:07pm Paramedics transport to UCLA with MJ
1:13pm Arrive in ER room.
Doctors at hospital only asked Murray what he treating MJ for. Mentioned on drug, valium and flomax..no mention of propofol to UCLA doctors.
Doctors still tried to bring MJ to life.
2:26pm Dr. Cooper at UCLA pronounced MJ dead.
Murray had conversation with security personnel at hospital.
Detectives question Murray next day and then learned of propofol.
Autopsy - acute propofol intoxication
June 23rd 2009..MJ normal routine to Staples Centre..rehearsal fabulous
June 24 same routine good rehearsal at staples..MJ optimistic
June 25th returns home at 1am, Murrays BMW car in driveway according to security
1:30am Court learned through evidence that Murray began treatment
2:00am valium pill administered
3:00am Intravenous diazebeem, IV of benzso
5:00am other treatment
7:30am other drugs through IV
10:40-11am infusing with propofol..at some point he ceases to breathe and dies after that
MJ dead before paramedics arrived
Only 2 pepople in room at the time MJ and Dr. Murray
11:51am call- lasted 11 mins..witness heard noises at other end of phone
Likely Conrad Murray who realized MJ was not breathing.
12:12pm Call by Murray to Michael Emeer Williams, security, saying he needs help..left a message.
12:15pm Williams returns call and Murray says MJ had a bad reaction.
Williams calls another member of security who is not at house.
12:17pm Williams then calls Alberto Alvarez who is in second trailer outside house, checks permission to go in house, goes upstairs to MJs bedroom.
He Sees MJ on bed, Murray doing one handed CPR on the soft bed.
Murray reports MJ had a bad reaction and asks Alvarez to collect medical evidence.
Prosecution says Murray has still not called 911 at this point.
12:21pm Alvarez told to get a bag and Murray collects medical bottles, and IV bag etc., as told and only then is he told to call 911.
Possible that Murray waited 20 minutes to call 911...MJ could have been dead before noon.
12:26pm Paramedics treating MJ on site. MJs Eyes fixed and dilated and he was cool to touch. He flatlined so heart action taking place. MJ dead...no observation of appropriate equipment for treatment with propofol, according to paramedics.
Asked Murray about underlying medical condition.
Murray asked what drugs he had given...doesn't mention propofol
Prosecutors says this could have been useful.
UCLA medical center advised futher care on MJ useless..they in contact with paramedics.
1:07pm Paramedics transport to UCLA with MJ
1:13pm Arrive in ER room.
Doctors at hospital only asked Murray what he treating MJ for. Mentioned on drug, valium and flomax..no mention of propofol to UCLA doctors.
Doctors still tried to bring MJ to life.
2:26pm Dr. Cooper at UCLA pronounced MJ dead.
Murray had conversation with security personnel at hospital.
Detectives question Murray next day and then learned of propofol.
Autopsy - acute propofol intoxication
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Ortega
- MJ wilde naar Japan en India met de 'tour'
- Na de tour wilde hij bezig gaan met films
- 4 dagen per week, 6 uur repetities
- 19e, MJ was ziek, naar huis gestuurd door Ortega
- 20e, meeting bij MJ thuis, Murray zegt dat alleen Murray bepaalt of MJ fit is. MJ had niet weggestuurd mogen worden.
- Het zag er al met al goed uit, maar MJ kwam nogal eens niet opdagen, wat Ortega angtig maakte of ze het zouden redden.
NB: ma Jackson claimt dat AEG de 18e bij MJ thuis was omdat MJ rehearsals miste, en had gezegd dat MJ elke auditie moest komen, omdat ze er anders de stekker uit zouden trekken!
- MJ wilde naar Japan en India met de 'tour'
- Na de tour wilde hij bezig gaan met films
- 4 dagen per week, 6 uur repetities
- 19e, MJ was ziek, naar huis gestuurd door Ortega
- 20e, meeting bij MJ thuis, Murray zegt dat alleen Murray bepaalt of MJ fit is. MJ had niet weggestuurd mogen worden.
- Het zag er al met al goed uit, maar MJ kwam nogal eens niet opdagen, wat Ortega angtig maakte of ze het zouden redden.
NB: ma Jackson claimt dat AEG de 18e bij MJ thuis was omdat MJ rehearsals miste, en had gezegd dat MJ elke auditie moest komen, omdat ze er anders de stekker uit zouden trekken!
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Interessant om te lezen!
Op woensdag 21 maart 2012 19:42 schreef Drassss het volgende:
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De assistent blijkt een held achteraf
Dr. Murray then approached him and said Mr. Jackson has some cream in his room that I know he wouldnt want the world to know about it, can you drive me back to the house to get it? Williams told Murray he didnt have a key to the house when in fact he did. He says he called the house and ordered that it be put on lock down and not to let anyone in.
Dr. Murray then approached him and said Mr. Jackson has some cream in his room that I know he wouldnt want the world to know about it, can you drive me back to the house to get it? Williams told Murray he didnt have a key to the house when in fact he did. He says he called the house and ordered that it be put on lock down and not to let anyone in.
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Bedankt voor die samenvattingen Matthijs, zeer interessant! En ook heel treurig om te lezen... Je vraagt je af op hoeveel momenten MJ nog gered had kunnen worden als men/Murray anders had gehandeld.
Concerten in India zou wel héél gaaf zijn geweest!
Concerten in India zou wel héél gaaf zijn geweest!
MJ's kinderen stonden in het ziekenhuis nog op te lepelen waar hun vader allergisch voor was, maar toen was hij allang dood 
De beveiligingsman Mohammed
- Toen hij binnen kwam lag Jackson met zijn ogen en mond opengesperd op bed, zag eruit alsof hij dood was. Dokter Murray leek in paniek te zijn en vroeg of iemand kon reanimeren(!). De tweede beveiliger begon op dat moment Murray te helpen. Prince en Paris waren in de kamer.
Frank Dileo vertelde de jackson kids subtiel dat hun vader was overleden: "Your daddy had a heart attack and died,"
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De beveiligingsman Mohammed
- Toen hij binnen kwam lag Jackson met zijn ogen en mond opengesperd op bed, zag eruit alsof hij dood was. Dokter Murray leek in paniek te zijn en vroeg of iemand kon reanimeren(!). De tweede beveiliger begon op dat moment Murray te helpen. Prince en Paris waren in de kamer.
Frank Dileo vertelde de jackson kids subtiel dat hun vader was overleden: "Your daddy had a heart attack and died,"
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quote:Dokter Murray leek in paniek te zijn en vroeg of iemand kon reanimeren(!). De tweede beveiliger begon op dat moment Murray te helpen.
Rebbie, Janet Joe en Randy zijn er vandaag ook bij.
Bodyguard Alvarez kwam om 12:17 de kamer binnen waar MJ levenloos lag, Paris aan het huilen was en Murray bezig was MJ te reanimeren. Murray zei dat MJ een allergische reactie had gehad en zei vervolgens dat Alvarez de rondslingerende flesjes in een tas moest stoppen en de infuuszak van het infuus te halen. Alleen de zak met propofol moest weg, het infuus met zoutoplossing mocht blijven. Na het opruimen zei Murray dat hij 911 moest bellen. Murray zei dat dit de eerste keer was dat hij CPR toepaste.
Alvarez zag dat MJ's penis uit zijn onderbroek hing en er een slang aan verbonden was,
Bodyguard Alvarez kwam om 12:17 de kamer binnen waar MJ levenloos lag, Paris aan het huilen was en Murray bezig was MJ te reanimeren. Murray zei dat MJ een allergische reactie had gehad en zei vervolgens dat Alvarez de rondslingerende flesjes in een tas moest stoppen en de infuuszak van het infuus te halen. Alleen de zak met propofol moest weg, het infuus met zoutoplossing mocht blijven. Na het opruimen zei Murray dat hij 911 moest bellen. Murray zei dat dit de eerste keer was dat hij CPR toepaste.
Alvarez zag dat MJ's penis uit zijn onderbroek hing en er een slang aan verbonden was,
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Misschien gewoon een catheter, wel zo handig als je onder narcose half in coma ligt en niet even naar de plee kan gaan.quote:
Rebbie, Janet Joe en Randy zijn er vandaag ook bij.
Bodyguard Alvarez kwam om 12:17 de kamer binnen waar MJ levenloos lag, Paris aan het huilen was en Murray bezig was MJ te reanimeren. Murray zei dat MJ een allergische reactie had gehad en zei vervolgens dat Alvarez de rondslingerende flesjes in een tas moest stoppen en de infuuszak van het infuus te halen. Alleen de zak met propofol moest weg, het infuus met zoutoplossing mocht blijven. Na het opruimen zei Murray dat hij 911 moest bellen. Murray zei dat dit de eerste keer was dat hij CPR toepaste.
Alvarez zag dat MJ's penis uit zijn onderbroek hing en er een slang aan verbonden was,
Wat een klootzak die Murray, als dit allemaal waar is... hij was toch cardioloog!?
Hier kan je ook updates vinden van de rechtzaak: http://twitter.com/insession
Love Twitter thanks !quote:
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Misschien gewoon een catheter, wel zo handig als je onder narcose half in coma ligt en niet even naar de plee kan gaan.
Wat een klootzak die Murray, als dit allemaal waar is... hij was toch cardioloog!?
Hier kan je ook updates vinden van de rechtzaak: http://twitter.com/insession
Shady: Alvarez heeft nooit tegen politie gezegd dat hij de flessen van Murray moest verzamelen. En hij geeft toe dat hij zijn verhaal misschien zal verkopen (logisch lijkt me, 't is Amerika).
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Hoe bedoel je verkopen? dus niet aan de rechter vertellen maar verkopen? begrijp het niet zo..quote:
Shady: Alvarez heeft nooit tegen politie gezegd dat hij de flessen van Murray moest verzamelen. En hij geeft toe dat hij zijn verhaal misschien zal verkopen (logisch lijkt me, 't is Amerika).
Niet vanaf het eerste begin, maar later. Ik dacht ook al: he? Dat verhaal wist ik al? Naar mijn weten is hij wel naar de politie gestapt, of zou hij het tegen iemand anders gezegd hebben....quote:
Het verhaal dat die flessen werden verstopt was toch al vanaf het begin bekend?
Leef en Laten Leven
Ja, best vreemd dit.quote:
Ja dat bedoel ik, het komt nu niet als nieuws of zo.
Leef en Laten Leven
Mja, vaag inderdaad... Ik geloof dat die bodyguards kort door de politie waren geinterviewd in het begin... en pas later op eigen verzoek nog een keer zijn teruggegaan. Wanneer dat van die flessen bekend werd, geen idee, ik dacht eigenlijk ergens vorige week ofzo, toen de eerste info van de prosecution naar buiten kwam...
TMZ UPDATE: During cross examination, Ed Chernoff, Murray's lawyer, got Alvarez to admit he never told the cops about Murray ordering him to remove the bottles. Alvarez also admitted he may sell his story.
@Bieber: verkopen, als in na de rechtzaak er geld mee verdienen dor het verhaal nog een keer aan de pers te vertellen...
Ook niet zo hendig dat Alvarez het infuus en flesjes heeft aangeraakt: reden voor de verdediging om aan te voeren dat iemand anders dan Murray de fatale dosis kan hebben toegediend.
TMZ UPDATE: During cross examination, Ed Chernoff, Murray's lawyer, got Alvarez to admit he never told the cops about Murray ordering him to remove the bottles. Alvarez also admitted he may sell his story.
@Bieber: verkopen, als in na de rechtzaak er geld mee verdienen dor het verhaal nog een keer aan de pers te vertellen...
Ook niet zo hendig dat Alvarez het infuus en flesjes heeft aangeraakt: reden voor de verdediging om aan te voeren dat iemand anders dan Murray de fatale dosis kan hebben toegediend.
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