Ouders van Madeleine McCann+Tapas 7 weigeren reconstructie..

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Op vrijdag 11 juli 2008 21:28 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:

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Nee nou wordt ie mooi !!! Alsof de McCanns daar ook al alles over te zeggen hebben, wat een stel *******

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Op vrijdag 11 juli 2008 22:26 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
ik bedoel deze post :

McCann: Judges have three weeks for conclusions
Duarte Levy & Paulo Reis
The Attorney General of the Republic (PGR), Pinto Monteiro, has asked the magistrates of the Public Ministry to send him the final report of the Madeleine McCann case, the whole lot, within three weeks.

Pinto Monteiro aims to decide on the follow-up to the PJ's investigations after the inspectors have sent to the Public Ministry a report about the investigation work carried out since Madeleine's disappearance. A report more than damning in the facts, but in which the inspectors, voluntarily, have not wanted to draw conclusions or accusations, leaving to the magistrates the responsibility for deciding what follows.

According to a senior PJ office in the Algarve region, "the absence of conclusions or accusations in the report sent to the Public Ministry should be interpreted as the magistrates being given the responsibility and political power in this case."

"The PJ have not had the possibilty of conducting the investigation in a calm way....there was interferance and pressure, in particular from the British authorities and their representatives in Portugal," the same officer accused, stressing that in the United Kingdom, the police officers who had gone to Portugal, "admitted having been under the same pressure."

The Attorney General Pinto Monteiro has analysed dozens of pages of the PJ's report and is only waiting for the magistrates' decision: carry out more work, wait for more evidence or clues, knowing that the investigation cannot purely and simply be archived, contrary to what certain media have claimed.

"Now, the magistrates must have the courage to read, understand and analyse our report. It is up to them to decide on what follows and to find out if they have the courage to face the British." the senior PJ officer concluded.

http://sosmaddie.dhblogs.be/ 10/07/08 Vertaling > Bron


Het lijkt zo net alsof Gerrry McCann eist dat het binnen 3 weken uitspraak gedaan moet worden... en daar zakte mijn broek van af... zo brutaal is dat stel nog wel.

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Op vrijdag 11 juli 2008 22:32 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
Suko: deze ook gezien ??

[Deze-maand-besluit-over-dossier-Madeleine.dhtml

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Op vrijdag 11 juli 2008 22:50 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
Klopt, maar ik kreeg de indruk dat jij vond dat er hier wat lauw gereageerd werd in de media mbt de zaak.

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Op vrijdag 11 juli 2008 22:38 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
Niet geheel ontopic, maar wel verontrustend genoeg vond ik dit artikel...

Vermoedelijke-kindermisbruiker-Shanti-opgepakt-in-Portugal.dhtml

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Op zaterdag 12 juli 2008 11:32 schreef livelink het volgende:
Nou ja, nu waren ze in ieder geval verzekerd van een oppas en konden ze met een gerust hart uit eten gaan
's avonds. Ze hebben dus geleerd van hun fouten, gelukkig voor Sean en Amelie.

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How do you read the process of the removal of Gonçalo Amaral Dias?

Gonçalo Amaral is a great policeman who did an excellent job and one day couldn’t take the pressure anymore and said some unpleasant things to the English. He shouldn’t have said it but the world was not damaged because of him saying it, either. The truth is that he understood where the investigation was being stalled, and well fed up of being insulted, maltreated without a single voice to defend him. In fact, he should have remained silent but it is also true that a man is not made of iron.

Can we say that, together with the novella of little Madeleine and the removal of the coordinator of the Criminal Investigation Department in Portimão, we’re looking at another case of Portuguese submission to the “perfid Albion”?

I don’t know. It will take somewhat longer until we manage to understand how far this mess has reached.

Do you maintain your conviction that Madeleine McCann was killed in Aldeia da Luz?

I do. There are no material conditions to opt for another solution. The mystery lies with one or two of the ten or twelve elements that used to enter that apartment. I possess little data apart from knowing the location and the positions of each one of the persons that intervened. It is impossible for an abduction to take place under those circumstances. Only as an academical hypothesis.

In your opinion, do you think that the PJ’s image was affected by this case? Can the Portuguese [people] believe in the Police that we have?

There will be some damage to the PJ’s image that the criminal turbulence itself and the succession of solved crimes will dissolve. This, if it is confirmed that there is no indicia and the process is archived. And of course the Portuguese can believe in their police. It has a history of prestige and their level of effectiveness is one of the highest within Europe. It is not by one unsolved crime, among hundreds of thousands that are solved, that the capacity of the PJ can be evaluated.

Within this process, which was often surrounded by obscure outlines, what do you think has failed?

Let’s see when the process becomes public. It is too early to make that evaluation.

Was the archiving of the process foreseeable?

I don’t know whether the process is going to be archived.

What illations can be taken out of this case, in order for another process not to suffer the same outcome?

I don’t know what the outcome is going to be but every case is a case. There are no formulas or rules. That is why criminal investigation is a set of methods and not a science.

In what aspect did the media influence the course of the investigation into the case of Maddie’s disappearance?

The negative aspects are related to the natural pressure on the investigation. The PJ wants evidence, the journalists want news. Those are different things. But the publicizing of the problem was positive because it caught the attention of so many people about children’s rights, about the duties of protection towards the minors.

What measures should be taken to diminish the abductions of children and adolescents?

Abductions are hard to predict and to prevent. The only way to avoid them, or at least to reduce the possibility, is to watch the children directly.

Do you consider Portugal to be a safe country?

It’s the safest country within the European Union. Gelezen op de site van Joana Morais én het 3arfuidoforum

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Op zaterdag 12 juli 2008 12:28 schreef livelink het volgende:
Goedemiddag, Suko
Ik kan me de frustratie van de Portugezen en van deze agent in het bijzonder zo goed voorstellen. Ik raak zelfs al gefrustreerd door deze zaak, laat staan de direct betrokkenen.

Ik denk overigens wel dat de Portugese rechtsstaat met ook de arguido-status een en ander wel ingewikkelder heeft gemaakt. Wellicht is een en ander toch wel aan herziening toe in Portugal. De Britten kregen op deze manier wel erg veel ruimte om er in te springen en zich ermee te bemoeien, leek het.

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Cadaver Odour in the McCanns Car and Clothes

Maddie. Final report of the PJ says that Murat is arguido because of journalist suspicion.

In a total of ten vehicles, the cadaver dogs only signalled cadaver odour and blood scent in Kate and Gerry McCann car, rented 24 days after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, on the 3rd of May of 2007, in Praia da Luz, Algarve.

This is one of the conclusions of the final report of the PJ on the investigation that has lasted for more than one year, handed to the Public Ministry and that waits now for a decision. The Republic’s Attorney General requested the end of this month as the deadline, so that the archiving or requests for new diligences are decided.

In the first approach done by the British laboratory, the Forensic Science Service and by the Portuguese Institute of Forensic medicine, it was registered a match of Madeleine's DNA profile with some of the collected evidences in the Renault car, rented by the couple.

In a second approach, done by both Institute of Forensic medicine and the English laboratory, the final results did not corroborate the canine markings in the places and Kate and Gerry McCann clothes.

As explained yesterday in an article published by Expresso, it was a due to the mere possibility of the involvement of the couple McCann with the eventual cadaver that the PJ, in September of 2007, appointed Kate and Gerry as arguidos.

But, what exactly did the cadaver dogs detect?Cadaver's odour in the room of the couple, in a corner, next to the closet, in the living room, behind the sofa, next to the side window of the apartment, in one of the flowerbeds outside the apartment, in two pieces of clothes belonging to Kate, in Madeleine's piece of clothing, in the child’s plush and in the key of the rented car.

Odour of blood was still detected in the same key of the rented car and inside the boot of the same.

For all of these reasons, the conclusion of this case will have to be one alone: archiving. THE PJ considers that, in spite of all diligences that were done and that all investigation lines were followed, it was not possible to understand what effectively went on that night.

The same report assumes that any diligence done now will not help the discovery of the truth, regretting the fact that the reconstitution of the night of the disappearance, was not carried out as requested by the PJ at the end of May. One year after Madeleine disappeared from Praia da Luz. Source: Diário de Notícias

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Cheques to the ‘fund’ or to the McCanns? (YouTube video)

Link: Clarence Mitchell Talks to Jon Gaunt

Apart from the interview revealing some facts such as Mr Mitchell stating that they are apparently paying Metodo3 £50,000 per month, I found the last part of the interview intriguing:

At approx. 9:52:

Jon Guant: And Just before you go, of course, how can we and how can my million listeners if they wish to, contribute to the fund to find Madeleine?

Clarence Mitchell: If you’d like to contribute and if you feel so moved, we..we’d.. it would be an incredibly generous gesture, we need every penny to keep this going, er, you can just look at our website in the first instance findmadeleine.com and there are all the er details on that as to how to send it in.

Jon Guant: Sure

Clarence Mitchell: Erm failing that, even if you send a cheque or anything in an envelope to Kate and Gerry in Rothley, it will get there. People from around the world are doing that and we’re very very grateful for every penny and we will maintain the use of that money fully for the finding of Madeleine to bring her back home where she belongs.

Clarence Mitchell failed to mention who to make the cheques payable to (Madeleine's Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned Limited), instead note his words “send a cheque or anything in an envelope to Kate and Gerry at Rothley...” And “People from around the world are doing that...”

Presumably "cheque or anything" means cash?

How many cheques received has been made payable to Mr and Mrs McCann? Will those cheques go into their private bank account? And what about the cash placed in envelopes? It makes a person wonder just how much donated money has not been declared and squirrelled away.

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And now Mr Mitchell has made another statement: This is Leicestershire “Madeleine McCann fund down to £500,000”

Goodness, that is a huge amount of money that Team McCann have gone through and what do they have to show for it?

Now that Mr Mitchell has made a fresh appeal to the public for more donations to pep up the ‘dwindling’ funds, people are already beginning to wonder if there are more McCann libel actions on the horizon. It seems the McCanns name has become synonymous with money.

Interestingly, in the beginning there was a ‘current amount donated so far’ clearly displayed beneath the PayPal button on the McCanns ‘find Madeleine’ website (which was set up approx. 12 days after Madeleine disappeared) – since the site was revamped they seemed to have forgotten to replace the ‘current amount donated so far’ information bar underneath the PayPal button.

It may be nothing, but I did notice the news article (at the end) clearly shows the PO BOX where donations can be sent, but there was no mention of the PayPal option available on the McCanns site.

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Op zondag 13 juli 2008 22:23 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
Dit commentaar zegt het allemaal !!

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Sunday Express, 13th July 2008

Former Secret Agents are working with the new team of investigators trying to trace missing four year old Madeleine McCann. The ex-spooks are bringing a new range of skills to the huge task of trying to find leads which could finally solve the 15 month old mystery.

Kate and Gerry won a significant battle last week when Leicestershire Police handed a dossier of information to their legal team. The 81 documents have potentially ground breaking information...

...now the investigators working for the McCanns are painstakingly sifting through it hoping for a breakthrough.

The Sunday Express understands some of the team have worked for the Security Services. "It is very much a British based operation now with highly skilled investigators working on it." said a source.

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McCann's spokesman Clarence Mitchell ponders PR move

As Kate and Gerry McCann return from their first family holiday since their daughter Madeleine disappeared 14 months ago, their spokesman Clarence Mitchell is in talks to join a PR agency where he plans to help other parents who have lost children to deal with the media. The former BBC reporter, has already advised the parents of Jimmy Mizen, the 16-year-old schoolboy murdered in London in May, and Fiona MacKeown, the mother of 15-year-old Scarlett Keeling, who was murdered in Goa in February.

Thus far Mitchell has assisted on a pro bono basis, but, as the requests for his expertise mount up, he is mulling his options. “I’m happy to help anyone in the eye of a media storm, but I need to put myself on a firm financial footing,” he says. “I should stress, however, that there’s absolutely no question of me abandoning Kate and Gerry McCann.”

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Op maandag 14 juli 2008 10:08 schreef livelink het volgende:
When opportunity knocks.....

Ik word er echt ziek van, de dood van Madeleine is het beste wat sommige mensen is overkomen, including Kate en Gerry lijkt het wel.

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Op maandag 14 juli 2008 20:49 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
_{* kahaarin voorzichtig om het hoekje gluurt......*}

FF even geen Maddy en FOK!, dit weekeinde hebben we leuke dingen gedaan irl, ook wel een keertje leuk.
Nu nog bijlezen, of kan ik me de moeite besparen?

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In life nobody knows what our destiny holds, what is around the next corner and where we will be in 10, 20 yrs times. Our lifes can be a roller coaster at times, having its ups and downs. But there is one thing we are certain off and something that we can't escape and it happens to all of us, that is death.

We could die from, old age, natural causes, an accident or an illness. But the vast majority of people die in the comfort of their family. In tragic accidents where death is instant it is a shock to all of us, and I have heard people say I wish I had done this and said this. And it is the same with sudden death through illness. But there is one thing we have no destiny over and that is how we do die and whether it would be instant or not. I suspect and nobody can confirm it, but the last things to go in a death that is not instant is your thoughts and hearing.

In this case the PJ are working on the assumption that Madeleine is deceased. So we have several possible causes.

Firstly Abduction, well in all honesty the likelihoods of Madeleine being abducted by a nice friendly couple who are going to cherish and love is zilch. Even if that did happen still Madeleine would have suffered and be thinking the thoughts of I want my mum and dad. And she will be upset and distressed and suffering because feelings don't just go off overnight they last quite a while.

Secondly we have Abduction by a paedophile, well that is a terrible senario, her poor little body being violated by somebody that has no respect for human life and children. If that what was the case again she would be in pain, frightened and would be suffering the most horrendous injuries imaginable before she ultimately met her death.

Thirdly we have accidental death, not all accidental deaths are instant, there is no guarantee of that at the moment, because there is no body, whether Madeleine died instantly or not. So lets think about if she did not die instantly and laid there waiting to die, all alone and longing so much for her mum and dad, like any child does, especilly if they are hurt.

Fourthly there could have been sedation, well lets hope if this was the cause she drifted to sleep and never awoke and she knew nothing about it. In that case probably she knew nothing about it.

But Fifthly, she could have been sedated and then through sedation have woken, what thoughts would she have had, if she had woken feeling sick, drowsy, she would have been frightened and would be longing and wanting her mum and dad. Any ill child wants the love and care and protection of their parents.

Even as adults if things go wrong in your life, you still want your mum or if your mother is departed the thoughts are I wish my mum was here. It is natural and it is normal. But Madeleine didn't have this did she. The poor child was left in all honesty to face her death alone without the love and care of her parents. Some will say, but it is the abductor that is a fault, nobody is denying that but if Kate and Gerry had been there and she had been abducted and they knew they had taken every precaution necessary, it would not have stopped them feeling guilty, just incase there was something they hadn't done, like shut a window etc. Normal parents feel the guilt they do not make excuses for their failings.

So out of all the posssible causes of death for poor Madeleine there is only one where she might not have had fears, thoughts and felt all alone.

So Kate and Gerry, tell me how do you live with yourselves? How can you promote Amber Alert knowing that it was partly your fault your daughter is probably dead? How can wake up in the morning and look in the mirror and not hate yourselves, because I would if I had put my daughter in that position, and I know my family would have felt disgusted with me as well.

Poor Madeleine she never really had a chance did she?

Met een antwoord aan Sylvie01 op de mogelijlke betrokkenheid van een criminele organisatie: "Even if it is proven Madeleine paid the ultimate price in the part of Organised Crime, there is no guarantee she is alive and kicking (as sylvie puts it), she would still suffer from thoughts of fear and dread and would still be wanting her mum and dad. Also if the McC's are involved in the ORGANISED CRIME, how do they live with themselves, because how do they explain to Madeleine why she can't see her brother and sister and play with her friends. Irrespective whether it was abduction by a paedophile or organsied crime the poor child would still be having thoughts of fear and longing to be with her family. Organised crime again can also involve paedophilia, maybe the actual person that abducted her might not have abused her he still could have passed her onto someone who would. Irresepctive of whatever pans out, Maddy still had feelings and emotions and I think its about time some people put themselves into her shoes, instead of the McCanns shoes."

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"Madeleine, it's mummy and daddy here. Just know how much we love you, Madeleine. "We all miss you so much. "Sean and Amelie talk about you all the time every day. We're doing everything we can, Madeleine, to find you and there are so many good and very kind people helping us. "Be brave sweetheart. "Our only Christmas wish is for you to be back with us again and we're hoping and praying that that will happen. "Love you Madeleine."