Maddy, nieuwe verhoren van de Tapas 7.

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Op donderdag 8 mei 2008 09:40 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Voel je niet vergeten dames. Ik denk nog altijd aan Madeleine en het mysterie dat haar ouders zich zo autistisch gedragen. 'I think she will give her abductants their two pence worth' and ach dat oog was wel een risico maar 'a good marketing ploy which I couldn't resist."

De open brief van Joana Morais is me dan ook uit het hart gegrepen.

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Op vrijdag 9 mei 2008 09:53 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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http://www.telegraph.co.u(...)ology-over-film.html

Jeetje zeg, de hele wereld moet rekening met hun houden, want zij zijn zielig, het is al teruggedraaid en nog moet dit zo prominent in de pers, een onnadenkend foutje dat is hersteld en er is sorry gezegd, waar gaat dit dan nu nog over?

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"It is disgraceful that the BBC of all people should be so insensitive and not spot this was going to happen," they said.

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Alípio Ribeiro gives explanations Correio da Manhã
^{Diana Ramos
09 May 2008 (Thanks to 'Li' from the3arguidos forum for translation)}
The ex national director of the PJ, Alípio Ribeiro, yesterday broke the silence and said that the investigations about Madeleine's case, the British girl that disappeared in Praia da Luz, can go on for years.

In an interview to the Radio Renascença, Alípio Ribeiro did not exclude the hypothesis that the case could remain unsolved. "We need to be patient, there are cases like that that sometimes only get solved many years after. It is obvious that I would like that that case was solved entirely but there are always cases that remain unsolved", he said. The magistrate confessed also that his decision to leave the PJ was taken a month ago.

Alípio Ribeiro understands that he had an excessive visibleness and believes that we was punished by his declarations. The ex national director assured that he was never conformed with the problems of the PJ and that he opted to say always the truth.

"What I have done several times was thinking out loud and I believe that no one can take that as an offence, that necessity of speaking the truth and speak with some intelligence and subtlety but facing the problems" he claimed. Bron

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Op vrijdag 9 mei 2008 12:20 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Inderdaad Suko, maar eens afwachten wat er komt van die uitspraken, ik denk dat Clarrie weer de hoop gaat uitspreken dat de arguido status nu toch snel opgeheven moet worden......

A propos, ik ben er tot na de Pinksteren vandoor, we gaan camperen, dus, prettige dagen en ik lees wel bij wat er allemaal (niet) is gebeurd.

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Hi Tripz, I think he is involved in the case but not with the death or disappearance of Madeleine.

A little bird has told another forum many things about him, but he was staying at the OC, having traveled back from the Exeter area with Murat, where he had helped him with his Mom's remodel and paid his respects to his friends the O'Briens. He is a Brit who works in an area of LE, and somehow it came out he had bodyguarded GB and knew Clarrie. He was supposedly in PDL having something to do with Gerry about ready to take a government job. This last statement of mine is info recently confirmed to us.

It is possible he saw a lot of what went on IMO, arriving 2 days before she went missing, then leaving we think on the 5th to go back to England. We don't know for sure, but doubt the PJ knew who he was right away or why he was there. He was photographed at the playground, volunteered to help search with his friend Murat and the GNR and there was a link saying when the PJ set up a surveillance team on the 4th to watch and see if anyone walked by 5A an inordinate amount of times, that he did just that. Suddenly word abgout him went silent, and that is when we think the PJ realized he was really a good guy.

If it goes to trial I'd almost bet my bottom dollar he will testify as to what he saw. Just interesting stuff and we do trust our 'source' as he has told us so many things that did pan out. ;} PS: Another interesting note about the Bagman/ Baldman, is the very first photo of him to hit the papers was very blurry. He looked like a white guy with a pointed chin, slim and a tattoo on his forearm.

The Sun paper decided to clear those pixels up so he could be seen with more detail, and what do you know, but think the Sun ended up with a print of what the guy really looked like. That photo circled the globe and bet Gerry about had a heart attack!

It always was interesting to me as to why the McCanns put out a blurry photo that didn't really look like the guy after going to all the trouble to have GB give the nod. Had to keep the abductor theory going at all costs!

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McCanns' status as suspects in Madeleine's disappearance 'will be lifted by August'

Kate and Gerry McCann will be cleared within three months of any involvement in their daughter Madeleine's disappearance, their Portuguese lawyer said today.

Rogerio Alves said that by August at the latest the couple's status as suspects, or arguidos, will be lifted. Mr Alves, a criminal lawyer with contacts in the judicial system, said: "I believe that by August the police will close the case and lift arguido status. "I believe it is a very strong possibility." The out-going national director of the judicial police, Alipio Ribeiro, hinted today that the investigation will be shut down.

Mr Ribeiro, who stood down today, told a Portuguese radio station: "We need to be patient. "There are cases of this sort that sometimes are only solved many years after. "Obviously I would have liked this case to have been resolved fully but there are always cases that remain unsolved.
>>> Daily Mail

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Op vrijdag 9 mei 2008 21:46 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
Suko & Kahaarin, waaruit zou de betrokkenheid van de overheid moeten blijken dan? De geloofwaardigheid van de McCanns is tot een dieptepunt gezakt,maar waarom zouden de Britten de zaak in de doofpot willen stoppen.

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Several witnesses have already expressed their availability to return to Praia da Luz, the village Madeleine disappeared from, in response to the request of the PJ’s who wish to carry out a more complete re-construction of the events of the night of 3rd May 2007. The information was doubly confirmed today in Portimão and Enderby, although both sources have recognised that a fixed date has not yet been established for this procedure.

“We still hope that Madeleine’s parents decide to participate...logically they should be the first to be interested in this”, confirms a Leicestershire police officer. In spite of the statements made by their lawyers in Portugal, Kate and Gerry McCann have made it known that they did not have the intention of making the trip whilst the authorities do not decide to lift their arguido status, which, in practical terms, seems impossible, as the couple should know.

After Kate and Gerry were made arguidos, last September, the UK diplomatic services in Portugal pressurised the Portuguese authorities so that the couple could leave, giving their guarantee that Madeleine’s parents would return as soon as the police requested them to. Eight months later the diplomats are no longer in their posts and the promise has been forgotten from the British side.

Without any help from his government, the other arguido in the inquiry in to the disappearance of Madeleine, the British Robert Murat, is available to participate in a re-construction, even though his lawyer Francisco Pagarete, contacted by SOS Madeleine, states that no official request has yet been received by him. Under certain circumstances, the arguido status can be maintained for twenty years and Murat would certainly wish that the inquiry would speed up, in order to be able to return to an as normal life as possible, although for the moment the Briton tries to understand why, how and who could be behind the accusations that were made about him.

In the UK Robert Murat has already accused 13 newspapers and a television channel of libel. The Briton is requesting the record sum of 2 million pounds from the media, more than 2.5 million Euros, one of the greatest settlements in the history of the UK, which would explain why certain media have taken the decision of removing several Internet articles regarding the accusations made in the past.

The indications go against the McCanns

Amongst the witnesses the police hope to see return to P d L, there is a German tourist who has stated to the investigators that she saw Kate McCann return to the apartment during the dinner, well before the time Madeleine’s mother raised the alarm. Her sighting has been corroborated by a second witness, an Ocean Club employee. These sightings can help to reconstruct the movements of each element of the group of friends, the Tapas 9, but on their own do not explain the indications that the special British police team found together with the PJ inspectors.

In apartment 5ª of the Ocean Club, the British police dogs have indicated cadaver odour behind the sofa near to the rear window. Police found minuscule traces of blood on the curtains of this window, in spite of the fact that the curtains and the wall had been cleaned..

The only finger prints found were those of Kate, Gerry and the couple’s friends. Later, in the Renault Scenic, hired on 27th May by the McCanns, the PT-UK police team found cadaver odour and also human fluids and hair. The expert analyses carried out in the laboratories revealed a strong possibility that these come from Madeleine, the investigators do not mention a 100% match because this level of certainty is never given by scientists when working on DNA.

In the house where the McCanns moved to after leaving the Mark Warner complex, Vivienda Vista Mar, the British dogs again sensed cadaver odour, this time on the clothes belonging to Kate McCann.

“The PJ only retreats to come back stronger”

New PJ director takes up office

“My friends, remember that in the fight against crime, the PJ never retreats. But if it does have to do so, it will only be to spring back stronger said Almeida Rodrigues.
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Deputy national director of the PJ at the time of Alipio Ribeiro’s resignation, Rodrigues is known for his unfailing work as criminal investigation coordinator. His official CV shows several management postings within the PJ as well as missions abroad, especially to Interpol’s General Assembly and the Cap-Vert police, where he was honoured by the local government for his work.

Translation by Ines
Original Article by Duarte Levy: SOS Maddie (FR)

Side Notes: This means there was a lag time of ONE HOUR and 10 MIN before the police were called to the scene! That call was made at 10:40. Bron: Joana Morais

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Op zaterdag 10 mei 2008 20:41 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
Suko; dat laatste bericht is verontrustend, zelfs op het internet kun je niet meer voor je mening uitkomen ???

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Breaking News: Judicial Secrecy Extended Another 3 months
Lisboa, 13 Mai (Lusa) - The deadline for the judicial secrecy over the investigations into the case of the disappearance of the English child, Madeleine McCann, in the Algarve, was extended for three months, a source at the State Prosecutor's Office told Lusa Agency today. If this deadline had not been extended for another three months, it would have ended on the 15th of May. Source Lusa News Agency

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IW: I think that everyone has just been incredibly impressed with you as a couple and how you’ve dealt with this. There was a period after a week or so where you looked as if you were almost broken and who could not understand that? And then there seemed to be a sort of a strength come from somewhere. Is that a fair point? Is that what happened and what brought it about?

KMcC: I think that’s definitely true, isn’t it [looks at Gerry and sighs]

GMcC: Certainly, you know, at the end of that first week there was so much emotion that we had spent and we actually had a period where we discussed this openly that we felt devoid, completely devoid of emotion. The analogy that I like to use is a bit like when we were students and you’d got to your overdraft limit and you’d gone beyond it and there was just nothing left in the tank. "

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Op woensdag 14 mei 2008 10:15 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Daar heb je nog gelijk in ook Suko, goedemorgen @all trouwens , wat denk je trouwens van dat Brazilie ver haal?
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/n(...)azil-89520-20416768/
Het is natuurlijk wel zo dat door al hun gespin en metodo3 geneuzel de arguido status nog niet is opgeheven, omdat ze zo lopen te zeuren kan de PJ het ook niet afsluiten.
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Nee hoor, natuurlijk niet toevallig, ik geloof in deze zaak niet meer in toeval.
Ik doe met je mee en negeer de tearjerk verhalen van team McCann, het maakt me eerlijk gezegd helemaal niet uit hoe die 2 zich voelen, laat ze gewoon hun monden dicht houden met dat gezeur, schone konten halen, meer is het niet.
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In PdL zitten ze volgens mij al wel klaar, maar Kate kan het niet aan en er moet een camera mee van crimewatch dan willlen ze wel.

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Op woensdag 14 mei 2008 12:45 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Klinkt een beetje als Risk.....

Sabrina lijkt me een slachtoffer van haar ouders (vader?) ik denk dat als je verder gaat spitten en goed zoekt dat er wel meer gevallen zijn die (zijdelings) op die van Maddy lijken, bij een klein kind zijn er vaak maar een paar mogelijke verdachten, domweg omdat die onder de hoede van hun ouders horen te zijn.
De McCanns hebben zich onttrokken van hun verantwoordelijkheid door de kids alleen achter te laten.
Of ze er nu zelf bij betrokken zijn is net zo veel sluitend bewijs als voor ontvoering, bijna niets dus.
(Ik herinner me de DNA sporen wel maar er is me te veel onduidelijkheid omtrent de auto en te veel fuss over die snifferdogs om daar een conclusie uit te trekken, dat er iets scheef zit en dat Maddy niet vrijwillig uit haar bed is gekomen ben ik wel van overtuigd.)
Het ergste in al dit soort gevallen vind ik het feit dat die kinderen compleet afhankelijk zijn en zelf helemaal niets in te brengen hebben, degenen die er voor hen zouden moeten zijn hebben het af laten weten, dat is voor mij het meest schrijnende.

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In the last two days, the McCanns have had two pieces of bad news: 1) The PJ have refused to allow the McCanns' private detectives, Metodo3, access to the case files, and 2) The Portuguese state attorney has extended the period in which the files may remain secret for another 3 months, to 15 August.

That, without doubt, tells us that the PJ have built, and are continuing to build, a strong case against the McCanns.

So, how to bury this bad news from the British public?

Cue another 'ludicrous', and quite frankly distasteful, Maddie 'sighting' from someone who, despite apparently being on the plane with 'Maddie' alerted none of the cabin crew, took no photographs and, on landing, appears to have decied to contact a foreign embassy rather than the local police.

This 'sighting' took place 6 weeks ago, yet breaks on the very same day the extension of the secrecy period is announced.

Are we to believe this was pure coincidence?

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Op woensdag 14 mei 2008 20:48 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Zoiets, of gewoon snobisme, we doen toch lekker niet wat jullie willen want wij zijn upper class Britten en jullie Portugezen oid.

Hun argument is dat Kate het niet aan kan en dat het volgens hen niet zo veel uithaalt, tenzij er een camera van het programma Crimewatch mee mag, dan willen ze ineens wel, alles voor media aandacht, oh ja en misschien wordt Maddy dan ook wel gevonden.

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A source close to the McCanns, who are still suspects or arguidos in their daughter’s disappearance, said the couple could not understand why a reconstruction was being arranged now, more than a year on. "It is not going to be televised, so it won’t throw up any new leads outside the police investigation," said the source. "There are physical differences more than a year on, such as the hedgerows are a different height, for example. "And has anyone given any thought to how Kate might feel about taking part in a reconstruction with another child playing her daughter?"

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The PJ says there is no precise date Expresso
^{Mário Lino
13:54, 14 May 2008 (Thanks to 'Li' from the3arguidos forum for translation)}
Report reproduces that as above in Destak, with an additional paragraph:

Contacted by Expresso, a source connected to the investigation confirmed that there is no scheduled date yet. "Officially neither the PJ nor the Public Prosecutor have any knowledge yet of who is coming and who is not coming" added the police source. Recognising it to be under "negotiation" and verifying of dates between the couple and the several friends. The same source admitted that we might be facing a "difficult game" in which some of the participants might guarantee their availability that conflicts with the availability of the others. "One thing is certain though: the PJ will only do the reconstruction with all the witnesses present. If not, then there is no police interest", he said.