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  dinsdag 1 april 2008 @ 11:23:17 #1
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Madeleine McCann



De vrienden van de McCanns die bij hen waren de bewuste derde mei 2007, de dag waarop Maddy verdween worden nu door Britse agenten verhoord in het bijzijn van de PJ van Portugal.

Er zijn nog een aantal dingen die tegenstrijdig zijn in de verklaringen van de Tapas 7, vandaar dat de Portugese justitie heeft besloten een verhoorronde aan te vragen waar zij bij aanwezig mogen zijn.
Die verhoren gaan binnenkort plaatsvinden.

De McCanns zelf,



Gerry en Kate, zullen deze ronde nog niet gehoord worden, daar zijn 2 mogelijke redenen voor, ze beroepen zich op hun zwijgrecht of de PJ heeft de bewijzen rond en wil de zaak sterker maken door eventuele discrepanties aan te tonen en zo de getuigenissen van de Tapas 7 onderuit te halen.
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Detective Superintendent Stuart Prior, who heads the British arm of the probe, is likely to lead the interviews. Police chief Paulo Rebelo, the man in charge of the investigation, is also likely to make the high-profile trip to Britain.

Detectives want to clear up any “inconsistencies” in the group’s stories about what happened the night Madeleine went missing.

Says McCanns’ spokesman Clarence Mitchell:

“Kate and Gerry and their friends see this as an important chance to help the police. The friends are more than happy to co-operate as are Kate and Gerry although, in this case, the couple will not be interviewed. We hope that the police will realise there is no evidence to link Kate and Gerry with Madeleine’s disappearance in any way and that they will be rapidly eliminated from the inquiry.”
http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/182598.html



[ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door kahaarin op 02-04-2008 12:30:16 ]
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  dinsdag 1 april 2008 @ 11:30:15 #2
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Uit het vorige topic:
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Op maandag 31 maart 2008 20:29 schreef Suko het volgende:

En dat ongelofelijk onzin-gebep van Clarence Mitchell op Sky News, hoe verzint hij het toch: "Mr Mitchell said the McCanns welcomed the new questioning and there had been no request for them to be re-interviewed. "There were some reports from Portugal last week that police were not going to question Kate and Gerry because they thought they would not co-operate. This is utterly ridiculous and completely baseless." Nee druiloor, dat was omdat de McCanns zich omringen met top-lawers en de PJ houdt er al rekening mee dat de McCanns zich beroepen op hun zwijgrecht, en de moeite niet eens meer neemt, zo wordt beweerd...> (maar ik vermoed dat de PJ genoeg belastend materiaal in handen heeft) Anders hadden ze trouwens allang hun medewerking toch gegeven...ze hebben alleen maar tegengewerkt en druk druk druk met hun publiciteitscampagne!

Interessante (felle) beschouwingen van Joana Morais, maar persoonlijk hou ik daar wel van, niet van dat weke gebabbel....
Inderdaad, eerst maar eens zien of alle getuigenverslagen accuraat zijn en dan eens zien wat ze met de verdachten van plan zijn, nogmaals, ook al hebben ze Maddy zelf niet vermoord, haar verdwijning had nooit kunnen gebeuren als er een babysitter of in elk geval een babyfoon mee was, maar nee, 3 kinderen onder de 4 jaar alleen in een onafgesloten appartement achter laten is echt verantwoordelijk ouderschap.

Hopelijk komt er aan het licht dat ze niet regelmatig hebben gecheckt en dat daardoor een ontvoerder zijn kans schoon heeft gezien, het alternatief dat de McCanns zelf verantwoordelijk zijn blijf ik een enge gedachte vinden, met oog op de tweeling, maar ja we zullen zien.
In mijn ogen blijven de McCanns in elk geval verantwoordelijk voor het creëren van de mogelijkheid tot ontvoering van hun dochter, op zijn minst, het is nu afwachten wat er uit de verhoren komt.
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  dinsdag 1 april 2008 @ 17:05:28 #3
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Nothing to hide?

http://www.truthformadele(...)an-Called-Jones.aspx
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Today I thought I'd call the Madeleine Fund and ask questions about the company because I'm not satisfied with the way they are spending donated funds. I didn't get very far. The media telephone number listed on the Find Madeleine Fund website went through to a voice message system that gave an alternate mobile number for Clarence Mitchell.

I tried Bates Wells - the company solicitors. That proved useless as well and all I got was a voice mail recording telling me that the person I wanted was out of the office. Finally I tried calling John McCann. After getting the addresses of the directors of the Fund, it was possible to obtain some phone numbers of the directors. The information is in the public domain so could hardly be classed as prying or invading privacy. As a customer of the company, I figured it would be a normal thing to do to ask for the complaints department as I wasn't happy with the way things were being handled. Plus, as a bona fide customer it doesn't seem unreasonable to ask for updates on how things are progressing with the money being spent on trying to find Madeleine. After all, that's why it was donated.

I got through to John McCann. Or at least I got through to the person who has the same number as him. I could hear football on the TV in the background. This was a good sign - John McCann is affiliated with an amateur football team in the Glasgow area. He listened. I talked. I said I was interested in getting information on the Madeleine Fund. He said "this is a private residence". He asked what I wanted again. I told him again. He repeated that it was a private residence and he also said that he was a "Jones".

In short, I got nowhere.

But later on I pondered why he told me he was called Jones. When you want to make up a name on the spot, don't you use the name "Smith"? Isn't that the defacto false name?

I thought so.

Since when has a Glaswegian had a WELSH name?
Ik weet niet of het helemaal kies is om iemand op zijn huisadres te bellen om vragen te stellen over het Maddyfund maar toch, de verdwijning is niet het enige dat mysterieus is......
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  dinsdag 1 april 2008 @ 17:15:07 #4
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Madeleine: parents may have access to police case against them this month
The Associated PressPublished: April 1, 2008

LISBON, Portugal: A lawyer says the parents of missing British girl Madeleine McCann may be entitled to see the Portuguese police case against them within two weeks.

The official secrecy period covering the ongoing police investigation expires April 14.

The McCanns' lawyer, Rogerio Alves, says the secrecy period can be extended only in major cases such as terrorism and organized crime.

Police not said if they intend to bring charges or drop the case against Kate and Gerry McCann. Police named both the McCanns as suspects in the girl's disappearance from a Portuguese vacation apartment in May. They deny any wrongdoing.
http://www.iht.com/articl(...)gal-Missing-Girl.php

Als de McCanns de zaak mogen inzien dan zou je zeggen dat de politie in GB dat ook zou mogen, er is tenslotte een deel van het onderzoek door hen uitgevoerd en de verhoren worden ook door hen afgenomen, zou dit betekenen dat er ook een statement komt van de PJ over de details van deze zaak? Dat hoop ik wel.
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Op dinsdag 1 april 2008 17:15 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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http://www.iht.com/articl(...)gal-Missing-Girl.php

Als de McCanns de zaak mogen inzien dan zou je zeggen dat de politie in GB dat ook zou mogen, er is tenslotte een deel van het onderzoek door hen uitgevoerd en de verhoren worden ook door hen afgenomen, zou dit betekenen dat er ook een statement komt van de PJ over de details van deze zaak? Dat hoop ik wel.
Oh berichten van dat persbureau The Associated Press én één van hun Portugese advocaten moet je wantrouwen. Ook de Telegraph komt met dat 'nieuws met een reactie van....: "Clarence Mitchell, the couple's spokesman, welcomed the lawyer's comments and called for the "arguido" status to be lifted. Mr Mitchell said: "We would hope that the police will do the decent and proper thing and open up the files. "I would go further than that, and say once they have completed the interviews with the the friends, they should go back to Portugal and assess the evidence and eliminate Kate and Gerry and allow everyone once again to concentrate on the search for Madeleine."

Een gevalletje spin IMO. Bovendien is toch onlangs gemeld dat de files tot september op slot blijven, uit een eerdere post, een artikel uit de Correio da Manha: "SECRECY OF JUSTICE Access to the whole process of the case Maddie and the work of PJ in research to McCann is forbidden until September - in secret of justice." Correio da Manha (SEGREDO DE JUSTIÇA O acesso a todo o processo do caso Maddie e ao trabalho da PJ na investigação aos McCann está vedado até Setembro – em segredo de justiça)

Maar wat lees ik net, verraad in het spel???? Duurde het misschien daarom zolang voordat er toestemning werd gegeven wat betreft die 'verhoren' , lekker eerst de vragen bestuderen en bedenken wat de antwoorden zullen/moeten zijn...en daarom de verwachting is dat de files mogelijk openbaar worden, de inhoud is dus misschien al bekend!

Secret was not respected

The goal by Portuguese police with the questioning of several witnesses on British soil, in the case known as the McCann Tapas 7 ", would be seriously compromised by the disclosure of the contents of the letters rogatory and part of The English version of the dossier.

The information is put forward by a source of Leicestershire Constabulary and confirmed by a copy of that document to SOS Madeleine able to gain access. According to the same source, the content of the letters rogatory and parts of the dossier had been copied and sent to a former police officer, now in the private sector, close to a witness and interested in the progress of investigations.

After a few months of waiting, used by witnesses to prepare for the next interrogation, the Judicial Police is supposed to travel to the United Kingdom during the month of April in order to continue its investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Several witnesses, and not least, have received from lawyers and former officers of the British police, and information on how to deal with questions prepared by the team of Paulo Rebelo.

(More) sosmaddie.dhblogs.be Ook op het 3arguidoforum gaan ze over de rooie... En als dat echt waar is, dan weten we zeker hoeveel er op het spel staat, nothing to hide...bollocks!

(Dat belletje naar John McCann over dat fonds heb ik eerder gelezen, mogelijk domweg gecopieeerd dus ik twijfel aan de echtheid hiervan, maar misschien is het dezelfde persoon en is het nogmaals gepost. )

Heb me rot gezocht naar een nieuw topic in deze reeks, 'k rekende op Kahaarin, die is daar goed in. Nu dus in MIS, waarvan ik eerst niet wist wat dat nu betekende, dacht aan een afkorting of zo...

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Anyway, een artikel uit de Correio da Manhã met wat spicey comments van Joana Morais:
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McCanns: Secrecy of Justice up to August If there was no understanding of when the period began to count in September, the secrecy of justice would be lifted in April, but having this agreement the secrecy in the process will only end in August. “In declarations, to the CM, Rogério Alves, lawyer of the McCanns, contradicts the news circulating yesterday in the UK press, according to which the process of the inquiry to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann from Praia da Luz, in the 3rd of May of last year, would be available for consultation after the 14th of April.

“It is out of question", said also to the CM a source close to the investigation. According to several English newspapers, quoting an interview of Rogério Alves to the news agency Associated Press [you can read his interview and see the differences in the UK tabloids for yourself], the former bar of the Order of the Lawyers, would have informed his clients that they might try the consultation to the process from the 14th of April. “What I speak with my clients I do not speak in public ", said to the CM Rogério Alves, explaining that "the secrecy will only be lifted in August".

In the count down for the investigations to the friends who were on vacation with the McCanns in the Praia da Luz, predicted to begin day 8 of this month, in Leicester and in the presence of elements of the PJ , Rogério Alves also said to the CM: "I was not notified of anything, neither were my clients." Kate and Gerry, who are preparing a documentary to be exhibited on the 30th of April, about an alert system for missing children, might not be, for the moment, questioned by the police. Source: Correio da Manhã

Maybe, and knowing for a fact that Team McCann spin has previously 'modified' what people say, like Mr. Alípio Ribeiro comments, and others, Mr. Rogério Alves should take the advice given to Hugo Chávez by His Majesty Juan Carlos, the King of Spain: ¿Por qué no te callas? [Why don't you Shut Up?] (dat zei de koning van Spanje idd tegen de Venezolaanse president Hugo Chávez: "Hou je waffel eens dicht." telegraaf.nl)

Yesterday, once again spinning, Clarence Mitchell had this to say:

Clarence Mitchell, the couple’s spokesman, welcomed the lawyer’s comments and called for the arguido status to be lifted. Mr Mitchell said: “We would hope that the police will do the decent and proper thing and open up the files."

“I would go further than that, and say once they have completed the interviews with the friends, they should go back to Portugal and assess the evidence and eliminate Kate and Gerry and allow everyone once again to concentrate on the search for Madeleine.”

"Kate and Gerry and their friends have long expected this visit by Portuguese police officers." "It comes as no surprise to them at all that some reports in the Portuguese papers in the last few days have been speculating about the arrival date."

" I am not in a position to confirm any dates or give any details about the re-interviewing of the friends and all matters will have to go to Leicestershire police to be dealt with." "However, Kate and Gerry and their friends welcome the police interviews. The friends are more than happy to co-operate fully, as are Kate and Gerry, although in this case Kate and Gerry will not be re-interviewed."

"This has not been requested but Kate and Gerry would have agreed to answer any questions had they police wished to put anything to them. "There were some reports from Portugal last week that police were not going the question Kate and Gerry because they thought they would not co-operate. This is utterly ridiculous and completely baseless."

"Kate and Gerry and their friends see this as an important chance to help the police." " We hope that the police will realise that there is no evidence to link Kate and Gerry with Madeleine's disappearance in any way and that they will be rapidly eliminated from the inquiry and the arguido status, which was imposed too hastily as the head of the Portuguese admitted, will be lifted as soon as possible"

Source: The UK Tabloids, Sky News aka the McCann's Media.
Dat vermoedde ik dus ook al in m'n voorlaatste post. Mitchell manipuleert met de feiten en alle Britse kranten plaatsen dat geblaat braaf, zonder ook maar even zelf te onderzoeken wát die advocaat wel en niet heeft verklaard.

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Nu ik er toch ben, journo Paulo Reis is weer terug, was en is nog ziek maar schrijft over de McCanns wetenschap qua inhoud wat betreft die Rogatory letters:
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Looking at the most recent news – the fact that the Tapas Group had access to the content of the rogatory letters and part of the police files about the investigation of Madeleine’s disappearance – I must say that this shouldn’t be a surprise, for those who have been following this case.

On January 2008, Clarence Mitchell revealed that “British police and child protection officers do not suspect Madeleine McCann's parents of involvement in her disappearance”. And he was clear about the source of this information, when he said: “I have also had briefings privately from the police and the Child Exploitation and Online Protection (CEOP) centre that also gave me complete reassurance that the authorities, in this country certainly, are treating this as a case of rare stranger abduction, as they call it."

At the end of November 2007, the seven friends that were having diner at the Tapas restaurant, with Gerry and Kate McCann, met for the first time after the events at Praia da Luz. It was an emotional meeting, as the British Press referred, two weeks after the meeting took place, at a hotel in Rothley. But it wasn’t only the group of friends that were present. Some of the advisers of the McCann family were there, also.

It’s good to remember that on January 2008, the Foreign Secretary confirmed that he “has communicated with the McCann family on a number of occasions. However any further details relating to this have been withheld under Section 36 (2) (c) of the FOIA - information which, if disclosed, would or would be likely to, prejudice the effective conduct of public affairs. Section 36 is a qualified exemption and therefore a public interest test to determine whether or not the information should be released had to be applied.”

Another strange detail has emerged, on October 2007, on an interview of Alex Woolfall, the Media management crisis expert that was at Praia da Luz 48 hours after Madeleine vanished. He told “The Times” that “he heard no suggestion in the early days that the girl had been snatched. ‘Certainly I did not hear any discussion that this could be a paedophile or an aggravated robbery. All the time I was around it was whether she could have wandered off and had an accident or somebody had actually taken her in, perhaps not with ill-intent.”

But Kate McCann was clear – and in total contradiction – about this subject, in several interviews to British newspapers: 'There wasn't a shadow of a doubt in my mind she'd been taken”, Kate McCann told "The Independent", on August 5th, referring to the moment when she went inside the apartment and realized that Madeleine wasn’t there.

Now, let’s wait and see what course events will take. But going back to the beginning of this case, allow me to quote Piers Morgan, former editor of “News of The World” and “Daily Mirror”: "Nobody I know says they would ever have left three kids aged under four on their own to go out with their mates at night on holiday. NOBODY."
Oh, da's een gemeen steekje maar wie wordt er niet cynisch/sarcastisch van dit hele gebeuren, wat mij betreft heeft Madeleine nooit een hoofdrol gespeeld maar was meer een kruiwagen voor wát precies...daar ben ik nog niet geheel achter eigenlijk. Ik hoop het nog mee te maken dat de PJ kan zeggen: "We've got them!" (variant van Bush na de vangst van Saddam Hoessein)

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  woensdag 2 april 2008 @ 13:27:09 #8
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Op dinsdag 1 april 2008 20:45 schreef Suko het volgende:

Oh berichten van dat persbureau The Associated Press én één van hun Portugese advocaten moet je wantrouwen. Ook de Telegraph komt met dat 'nieuws met een reactie van....: "Clarence Mitchell, the couple's spokesman, welcomed the lawyer's comments and called for the "arguido" status to be lifted. Mr Mitchell said: "We would hope that the police will do the decent and proper thing and open up the files. "I would go further than that, and say once they have completed the interviews with the the friends, they should go back to Portugal and assess the evidence and eliminate Kate and Gerry and allow everyone once again to concentrate on the search for Madeleine."
Ah, okay, ik vond het ook al zo haaks op eerdere berichten staan, McCann propaganda dus, vandaar.
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Een gevalletje spin IMO. Bovendien is toch onlangs gemeld dat de files tot september op slot blijven, uit een eerdere post, een artikel uit de Correio da Manha: "SECRECY OF JUSTICE Access to the whole process of the case Maddie and the work of PJ in research to McCann is forbidden until September - in secret of justice." Correio da Manha (SEGREDO DE JUSTIÇA O acesso a todo o processo do caso Maddie e ao trabalho da PJ na investigação aos McCann está vedado até Setembro – em segredo de justiça)
Precies, dat dacht ik ook gelezen te hebben, vandaar mijn voorzichtige commentaar bij deze link.
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Maar wat lees ik net, verraad in het spel???? Duurde het misschien daarom zolang voordat er toestemning werd gegeven wat betreft die 'verhoren' , lekker eerst de vragen bestuderen en bedenken wat de antwoorden zullen/moeten zijn...en daarom de verwachting is dat de files mogelijk openbaar worden, de inhoud is dus misschien al bekend!

Secret was not respected

The goal by Portuguese police with the questioning of several witnesses on British soil, in the case known as the McCann Tapas 7 ", would be seriously compromised by the disclosure of the contents of the letters rogatory and part of The English version of the dossier.
Nou ja zeg, dat is toch wel het toppunt, tegenwerken van een vreemd land is discutabel maar nog enigzins te begrijpen maar de poten onder een onderzoek weg zagen is echt het uiterste.....
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(More) sosmaddie.dhblogs.be Ook op het 3arguidoforum gaan ze over de rooie... En als dat echt waar is, dan weten we zeker hoeveel er op het spel staat, nothing to hide...bollocks!
Dat kan ik me voorstellen, dit is niet meer een onderzoek maar een complot.
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(Dat belletje naar John McCann over dat fonds heb ik eerder gelezen, mogelijk domweg gecopieeerd dus ik twijfel aan de echtheid hiervan, maar misschien is het dezelfde persoon en is het nogmaals gepost. )
Bij gebrek aan nieuws heb ik maar even op de fora rondgesnuffeld, daar kwam ik het tegen, het was gister gepost misschien een herpost idd.
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Heb me rot gezocht naar een nieuw topic in deze reeks, 'k rekende op Kahaarin, die is daar goed in. Nu dus in MIS, waarvan ik eerst niet wist wat dat nu betekende, dacht aan een afkorting of zo...
Na de aankondiging van Buzzer:
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Op vrijdag 28 maart 2008 16:07 schreef buzzer het volgende:
---> MIS
zag ik dat het kopje naast de tt: Index / Misdaad
Maddy, the plot thickens.
bovenaan het vorige topic Misdaad was, bij het openen van een nieuw topic ging hij daar automatisch heen, bedankt!
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  woensdag 2 april 2008 @ 13:30:15 #9
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Op woensdag 2 april 2008 10:12 schreef Suko het volgende:
Anyway, een artikel uit de Correio da Manhã met wat spicey comments van Joana Morais:

Dat vermoedde ik dus ook al in m'n voorlaatste post. Mitchell manipuleert met de feiten en alle Britse kranten plaatsen dat geblaat braaf, zonder ook maar even zelf te onderzoeken wát die advocaat wel en niet heeft verklaard.
Natuurlijk, de kranten wachten ook op bewijs, niet op statements van louche sources close to, dat kan verkeerd aflopen zoals we gezien hebben.
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  woensdag 2 april 2008 @ 13:36:12 #10
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Op woensdag 2 april 2008 10:38 schreef Suko het volgende:
Nu ik er toch ben, journo Paulo Reis is weer terug, was en is nog ziek maar schrijft over de McCanns wetenschap qua inhoud wat betreft die Rogatory letters:
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Oh, da's een gemeen steekje maar wie wordt er niet cynisch/sarcastisch van dit hele gebeuren, wat mij betreft heeft Madeleine nooit een hoofdrol gespeeld maar was meer een kruiwagen voor wát precies...daar ben ik nog niet geheel achter eigenlijk. Ik hoop het nog mee te maken dat de PJ kan zeggen: "We've got them!" (variant van Bush na de vangst van Saddam Hoessein)
Who-ever they may be.

Dat is imho geen gemeen steekje maar de botte waarheid, 3 kids onder de 4 alleen laten in een onafgesloten app is vragen om problemen, vooral omdat Maddy groot genoeg was om zelf uit bed te komen, maar goed dat is zo langzamerhand mijn stokpaardje, ik kan er gewoon echt niet bij dat Kate en Gerry woorden als 'naive' en 'responsable parenting' in de mond durven te nemen.

Dat het al lang niet meer om Maddy draait waren we geloof ik een slordige 5 à 6 topics terug al over uit, dit is niet meer een verdwijning maar een prestigezaak die, als hij niet zo groot was opgeklopt, geruisloos onder het tapijt had gekund, nu niet meer, gelukkig.
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Zo hé, wat een posten Kahaarin, altijd spannend de retourposten lezen. Jammer eigenlijk dat wij vrijwel de enige nog zijn die dat doen... Tja, posters op fora/blogs zijn eigenlijk de enige die verder kijken dan de Britse neus lang is, ik vind het nog steeds, naast het Madeleine-drama, ook journalistiek gezien een ongelofelijk dieptepunt! Terecht dat in het begin artikelen die geschreven werden door kennelijk alleen de vinger in de lucht te houden, met potten zout moesten worden gelezen. Thans zijn we aanbeland met geneuzel van ene Clarence Mitchell met de backing van 's lands beste advocaten, klakkeloos door de pers afgedrukt.

Anyway, even een mededeling mijnerzijds: ik wilde een artikel zoeken en wat schetst mijn verbazing, sommige artikelen uit de Daily Mail (en zusterblad thisislondon) zijn óf verdwenen óf aangepast, zelfs maanden later. Ook Sky News flikt dat. Voorbeeldje uit een oud topic, gestart in September 2007, vanaf deze post op 9 september Madeleine McCann: mogelijk binnenkort arrestaties? (3) Dat artikel uit de Daily Mail is in december aangepast. En zo heb ik er tig gevonden. Geloof dus alleen wat wij hier en andere posten letterlijk op fora plaatsen. Alleen een link naar het artikel, zoals soms wel op het 3arguidoforum gebeurd is niet voldoende, want mogelijk is het nieuws allang alweer 'aangepast'. De ratten!

(Het meisje Shannon Mattews is nog steeds in 'care' en kan wel tot januari 2009 duren, mams heeft haar nog maar 1x ff gezien, er is daar heel wat mis in die familie, stiefvader (22jr) is net gearesteerd wegens bezit van kinderporno op diverse pc's, overigens geen afbeeldingen Shannon en de andere kids)

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  woensdag 2 april 2008 @ 15:16:59 #12
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Op woensdag 2 april 2008 14:20 schreef Suko het volgende:
Zo hé, wat een posten Kahaarin, altijd spannend de retourposten lezen. Jammer eigenlijk dat wij vrijwel de enige nog zijn die dat doen... Tja, posters op fora/blogs zijn eigenlijk de enige die verder kijken dan de Britse neus lang is, ik vind het nog steeds, naast het Madeleine-drama, ook journalistiek gezien een ongelofelijk dieptepunt! Terecht dat in het begin artikelen die geschreven werden door kennelijk alleen de vinger in de lucht te houden, met potten zout moesten worden gelezen. Thans zijn we aanbeland met geneuzel van ene Clarence Mitchell met de backing van 's lands beste advocaten, klakkeloos door de pers afgedrukt.
Grappig toch, bericht terug, idd zijn er niet veel meer, ik mis Moussy, Jane, Nadine, Gert, Milagro, Voyeur e.v.a., jammer dat die niet meer posten.
Ik snap het wel, er is al zo lang geen echt nieuws meer, alleen dat gespin van Clarrie en consorten, halve waarheden suggesties en gemopper over en weer, tel daar de andere vermiste/teruggevonden/helaas vermoorde kinderen bij op en het is ook om moe van te worden, alleen eigenwijs als ik ben denk dat het toch wel ooit opgelost gaat worden, ik ga iig door totdat er een uitspraak is of Maddy terug is gevonden.
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Anyway, even een mededeling mijnerzijds: ik wilde een artikel zoeken en wat schetst mijn verbazing, sommige artikelen uit de Daily Mail (en zusterblad thisislondon) zijn óf verdwenen óf aangepast, zelfs maanden later. Ook Sky News flikt dat. Voorbeeldje uit een oud topic, gestart in September 2007, vanaf deze post op 9 september Madeleine McCann: mogelijk binnenkort arrestaties? (3) Dat artikel uit de Daily Mail is in december aangepast. En zo heb ik er tig gevonden. Geloof dus alleen wat wij hier en andere posten letterlijk op fora plaatsen. Alleen een link naar het artikel, zoals soms wel op het 3arguidoforum gebeurd is niet voldoende, want mogelijk is het nieuws allang alweer 'aangepast'. De ratten!
Dat zal voortvloeien uit die rechtzaken en schikkingen, ik denk dat dit een randvoorwaarde was van de deal die getroffen is met de McCanns, gelukkig hebben we hier nog een hoop staan, misschien een beetje versnipperd maar toch.
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(Het meisje Shannon Mattews is nog steeds in 'care' en kan wel tot januari 2009 duren, mams heeft haar nog maar 1x ff gezien, er is daar heel wat mis in die familie, stiefvader (22jr) is net gearesteerd wegens bezit van kinderporno op diverse pc's, overigens geen afbeeldingen Shannon en de andere kids)
Bah wat sneu, dan ga je je toch afvragen of het meisje niet is "verhuurd" door haar stiefvader.
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  woensdag 2 april 2008 @ 15:23:48 #13
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The parents of missing British girl Madeleine McCann may be entitled to see the Portuguese police case against them within two weeks, one of their lawyers said.

The official secrecy period covering the ongoing police investigation expires April 14 and can be extended only in major cases such as terrorism and organised crime, Rogerio Alves said.

"If there is no decision on whether to bring charges or drop the case by April 14, in principle ... the suspects are entitled to consult the case file," Alves said.

Police have given no indication whether they intend to bring charges or drop the case against Kate and Gerry McCann, named as suspects in Madeleine's disappearance from a Portuguese vacation apartment in May last year, shortly before her fourth birthday. They deny responsibility.

Due to Portugal's secrecy law covering open police investigations, "we don't know why" police consider the McCanns as suspects, Alves said.

Portuguese police have declined to speak publicly about the case.

Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns' spokesman in London, said gaining access to the police file is "an absolute priority" for Madeleine's parents because it would help them to defend themselves. He said they would take advice from their lawyers on whether to travel to Portugal to view the police evidence.

British police said that Portuguese detectives planned to travel to Britain next week to re-interview friends of Madeleine's parents who had dinner with the couple on the night the girl went missing.

The public prosecutor could still bring charges after April 14 and the investigation could go on for years.

Alves said the status of official suspect is designed to ensure fair treatment of people under investigation. They are granted rights unavailable to witnesses, such as the right to silence and to legal assistance.

However, being named an official suspect has become an "irrational label" that brings "a social stigma ... a presumption of guilt," he said.

Kate and Gerry McCann last month accepted an apology and 550,000 pounds ($A1.2 million) in damages over British tabloid newspaper stories suggesting they had caused their daughter's death.

Alves is one of two renowned lawyers hired by the McCanns to represent them in Portugal. They also have a legal team in London.

The head of the Portuguese police's detective branch said in February that investigators acted hastily in naming the parents as suspects.

Kate and Gerry McCann mounted an international campaign to find their daughter, drawing worldwide attention and sympathy.
http://news.sbs.com.au/wo(...)e_police_case_544054

Het is toch blijkbaar zo dat ze de files mogen inzien, wellicht hebben ze die secrecy met succes aangevochten, in theorie als de McCanns het in mogen zien dan zijn de PJ en de rechercheurs ook niet meer gebonden aan de zwijgplicht toch?
Dan gaan we via b.v. 24Horas nog een hoop modder gooien krijgen, natuurlijk weer via sources close to of zoiets maar ik geloof nooit dat ze dit in Portugal over hun kant laten gaan zonder slag of stoot.
Koekje erbij?

Hmm, de Britse pers is wat meer terughoudend.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=553010&in_page_id=1770&ito=newsnow
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Mr Mitchell said: "We would hope that the police will do the decent and proper thing and open up the files."

"I would go further than that, and say once they have completed the interviews with the friends, they should go back to Portugal and assess the evidence and eliminate Kate and Gerry and allow everyone once again to concentrate on the search for Madeleine."
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  woensdag 2 april 2008 @ 17:24:05 #14
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Madeleine suspect Robert Murat back in Britain to see his five-year-old daughter
Last updated at 15:28pm on 2nd April 2008

Robert Murat has returned to Britain for an emotional reunion with his daughter, it was revealed today.

It is understood Mr Murat had not seen five-year-old Sofia since being named an official suspect in the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann almost a year ago.

Two weeks ago he informed police he wanted to visit the UK and see Sofia - and was allowed to do so. The fact that Portuguese authorities did not stand in his way suggests there is no evidence against Mr Murat.


Emotional trip: Robert Murat, the first suspect in the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, returned to the UK to be reunited with his daughter, five

The move comes after the decision by police last month to return items of clothing and computers seized when he was made a suspect - or arguido - on 19 May, 16 days after Madeleine vanished from her parents' apartment in the resort of Praia da Luz in the Algarve.

Mr Murat's uncle, Ralph Everleigh, said: "Robert has been back to the UK for an emotional reunion with his daughter. He loves his little girl and has missed her so much this past year."

Mr Everleigh, who runs a guesthouse just outside Praia da Luz, said he thought Mr Murat was now on his way back to Portugal. Mr Murat was not available for comment today.

Mr Murat has always denied any involvement in Madeleine's disappearnce.

Despite searches of his mother Jenny's villa - about 150 yards from where Madeleine went missing - and forensic science tests on his car and other extensive inquiries, no evidence has been found to connect him to the disappearance.


Missing: Madeleine McCann

Mrs Murat, 42, who lives in Hockering, Norfolk, said in a recent interview that Sofia had become the subject of kidnap threats.

She said: "There are a lot of weird people out there and if something happens to one innocent child they think an eye for an eye. They want to harm another innocent child - my daughter. We are living in constant fear."

She has said she has "no doubt" of her estranged husband's innocence, adding: "All he wanted to do was help the McCanns."


Portuguese detectives will visit the UK on Monday to re-interview friends of Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, who were dining at a tapas bar when the girl vanished.

In September, the McCanns were also made arguidos before being allowed to return to their home in Rothley, Leicestershire. They also protest their innocence.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=554191&in_page_id=1770&ito=newsnow

Mooi dat hij zijn meisje weer eens mag zien en die gekken die haar bedreigen zijn echt helemaal gestoord.

[ Bericht 3% gewijzigd door kahaarin op 02-04-2008 17:47:51 ]
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Yep, ik mis de door jou genoemde posters ook, al was het maar om andere meningen te lezen, houdt de geest scherp! Maar misschien lezen ze mee. Anyway, ik dacht ergens gelezen te hebben dat ergens eind vorig jaar een officer een dik dossier naar Rothley heeft gebracht, ik kan zelfs de foto met hem en dat dikke pak papier nog voor de geest halen, ik kan het alleen nergens meer vinden, Pfffffffff. Toevallig weer....? Wel is het zo dat halverwege september de strikte Portugese wet op de secrecy iets versoepeld zou worden, stukkie uit The Times Monday, Sep. 17, 2007: "Changes to Portugal's secrecy laws over the weekend give suspects and third parties — who were previously not allowed to know the details of a police investigation — greater access to case files, meaning the McCanns' legal team could get hold of the 4,000-page police file on Madeleine's parents sooner than anticipated." Ik denk zomaar dat het team McCann meer weet als dat ze via Clarence Mitchell naar de buitenwereld laten weten. En dan daarna die samenkomst (hotel in Rothley) in november met die Tapas-vrienden, met al die advocaten....Tja. Laat het publiek maar denken dat ze in het luchtledige zitten en dat is zo onrechtvaardig...ach ach. My ass, ik geloof er geen bal van. Jeetje, dat Robert Murat zolang z'n dochter niet heeft gezien, dat is toch wel erg, alhoewel ik wel nog ergens geloof dat hij de McCanns kent en een aantal Tapas-vrienden uit Exeter, zou kunnen dat hij er verder niets mee te maken heeft, ik hou een paar procentjes qua ietsje wantrouwen in gedachten... En die bedreigingen, te triest voor woorden!

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  donderdag 3 april 2008 @ 13:02:15 #16
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Op woensdag 2 april 2008 20:15 schreef Suko het volgende:
Yep, ik mis de door jou genoemde posters ook, al was het maar om andere meningen te lezen, houdt de geest scherp! Maar misschien lezen ze mee. Anyway, ik dacht ergens gelezen te hebben dat ergens eind vorig jaar een officer een dik dossier naar Rothley heeft gebracht, ik kan zelfs de foto met hem en dat dikke pak papier nog voor de geest halen, ik kan het alleen nergens meer vinden, Pfffffffff. Toevallig weer....? Wel is het zo dat halverwege september de strikte Portugese wet op de secrecy iets versoepeld zou worden, stukkie uit The Times Monday, Sep. 17, 2007: "Changes to Portugal's secrecy laws over the weekend give suspects and third parties — who were previously not allowed to know the details of a police investigation — greater access to case files, meaning the McCanns' legal team could get hold of the 4,000-page police file on Madeleine's parents sooner than anticipated." Ik denk zomaar dat het team McCann meer weet als dat ze via Clarence Mitchell naar de buitenwereld laten weten. En dan daarna die samenkomst (hotel in Rothley) in november met die Tapas-vrienden, met al die advocaten....Tja. Laat het publiek maar denken dat ze in het luchtledige zitten en dat is zo onrechtvaardig...ach ach. My ass, ik geloof er geen bal van. Jeetje, dat Robert Murat zolang z'n dochter niet heeft gezien, dat is toch wel erg, alhoewel ik wel nog ergens geloof dat hij de McCanns kent en een aantal Tapas-vrienden uit Exeter, zou kunnen dat hij er verder niets mee te maken heeft, ik hou een paar procentjes qua ietsje wantrouwen in gedachten... En die bedreigingen, te triest voor woorden!

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Dat hebben ze vast al gezien idd, nu nog zorgen dat ze het legaal en officieel mogen gebruiken, die zijn echt wel op de hoogte van alle ins en outs.

Murat was imho op het verkeerde moment op de verkeerde plek, hij is immers helemaal door de mangel gehaald, zijn spullen zijn onderzocht en hij heeft alles netjes terug gekregen, bovendien heeft hij toestemming gekregen om zijn kind te bezoeken, dat krijg je niet als er ook maar de schijn van schuld bestaat in Portugal, waarom denk je dat de McCanns anders met grote spoed en heel plotseling zijn vertrokken uit Portugal terwijl ze eerst nog hadden gezegd dat ze zouden blijven totdat Maddy terug was gevonden, die voelden de bui al hangen.
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Op donderdag 3 april 2008 13:02 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Dat hebben ze vast al gezien idd, nu nog zorgen dat ze het legaal en officieel mogen gebruiken, die zijn echt wel op de hoogte van alle ins en outs.

Murat was imho op het verkeerde moment op de verkeerde plek, hij is immers helemaal door de mangel gehaald, zijn spullen zijn onderzocht en hij heeft alles netjes terug gekregen, bovendien heeft hij toestemming gekregen om zijn kind te bezoeken, dat krijg je niet als er ook maar de schijn van schuld bestaat in Portugal, waarom denk je dat de McCanns anders met grote spoed en heel plotseling zijn vertrokken uit Portugal terwijl ze eerst nog hadden gezegd dat ze zouden blijven totdat Maddy terug was gevonden, die voelden de bui al hangen.
Absoluut Kahaarin, alhoewel de McCanns na de Arguido-status wel mochten vertrekken. Wel staat vast dat ze ook bang waren voor Social Services in de UK, onbegrijpelijk dat ze zonder meer de twins mochten houden, of er onderzoek is geweest is niet bekend. Overigens had de ex van Murat met dochtertje ook naar Portugal kunnen komen maar misschien was dat om de een of andere reden niet mogelijk of waren ze bang voor Metodo 3. En misschien hebben die laatste ook iets van doen met die bedreigingen, ik acht de PI's van dat bureautje tot alles in staat, iov van wie??? Verder geen nieuws gezien, zal wel te maken hebben met de inachtneming van een media-stilte rondom de verhoren...

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Toch nog even maar het verhoor-gebeuren, vandaag gelezen in The Times, iets pro-McCann in de regel en niet alles is per se ook precies zoals het hier staat beschreven:
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British police ready to question 'Tapas Seven' over Madeleine disappearance British police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are to interview more than 30 people who could help to prove that her parents were not involved in her abduction.

The interviews will begin next Tuesday with the first of the seven British friends who were on holiday with the McCanns when Madeleine was reported missing in Portugal. A different couple will be interviewed each day in the presence of Portuguese detectives at the headquarters of Leicestershire Police.

The officers will concentrate on alleged inconsistencies in the timelines of events on May 3. None of the witnesses will be made arguidos (official suspects under Portuguese law) and detectives will not seize evidence or search homes. Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, both doctors from Rothley, Leicestershire, have offered to be reinterviewed but will not be questioned. British officers will then begin interviews with more than two dozen other people who were at the Ocean Club resort in Praia Da Luz on May 3 last year or who were later connected to the case.

The witnesses include other holidaymakers, nannies at the Ocean Club, people who claim to have seen Madeleine being abducted, the psychologist who comforted Kate McCann and the McCanns' official spokesmen, Clarence Mitchell and Justine McGuinness. The list of people to be interviewed has been provided by Kate and Gerry McCann as part of their rights as arguidos to demand that police speak to people who could prove their innocence.

Paulo Rebelo, the chief investigator in the Polícia Judiciária investigation into Madeleine's disappearance, will fly to Britain with two other detectives on Monday. They will stay until Friday to watch the interviews with the so-called “Tapas Seven” who were at a restaurant on the Ocean Club with Mr and Mrs McCann when Madeleine went missing.

Jane Tanner, 36, claimed she saw a man carrying a girl from the McCanns' apartment at about 9.15pm - when another witness says he was outside the flat at the same time but did not see her or the mystery man. Her partner, Dr Russell O'Brien, 36, from Exeter, was away from the group for up to 45 minutes in the period that Madeleine was taken from her bed.

Dr Matthew Oldfield, 37, a hospital consultant from London, and his wife Rachel, 36, a recruitment consultant, were also at the tapas restaurant. David Payne, 41, a cardiovascular researcher from Leicester, was the last person outside the McCann family to see Madeleine. His wife, Fiona, 34, and her mother, Diane Webster, will also be interviewed.

The McCanns' Portuguese lawyers have requested the police case against them be made made public on the eight-month anniversary of the day they were made official suspects. However, detectives can request a three-month extension, as granted in the case of the other official suspect, Robert Murat, in January.

Because of the change in Portuguese law, the court could rule that the eight-month limit actually started in September last year. And the evidence could remain sealed indefinitely if police rule that the case is a major crime, such as international child trafficking.

Mr Murat, 34, has recently returned to Britain to see his five-year-old daughter, Sofia, for the first time since he was made an official suspect in Madeleine's disappearance. Mr Murat, who lives with his mother in a villa about 100 yards from the McCanns' holiday apartment, has strenuously denied any involvement. Police last month returned computers and clothing they had seized during the search of his home in an indication that they no longer believed he was a suspect.
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  donderdag 3 april 2008 @ 14:36:16 #19
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Op donderdag 3 april 2008 13:38 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Absoluut Kahaarin, alhoewel de McCanns na de Arguido-status wel mochten vertrekken. Wel staat vast dat ze ook bang waren voor Social Services in de UK, onbegrijpelijk dat ze zonder meer de twins mochten houden, of er onderzoek is geweest is niet bekend. Overigens had de ex van Murat met dochtertje ook naar Portugal kunnen komen maar misschien was dat om de een of andere reden niet mogelijk of waren ze bang voor Metodo 3. En misschien hebben die laatste ook iets van doen met die bedreigingen, ik acht de PI's van dat bureautje tot alles in staat, iov van wie??? Verder geen nieuws gezien, zal wel te maken hebben met de inachtneming van een media-stilte rondom de verhoren...
Als ik de ex van Murat was dan was ik ook niet naar Portugal gekomen, al die pers en detectives die daar rondspoken, het meisje had dan waarschijnlijk alleen maar persfotografen gezien, lijkt me niet echt handig, wel goed dat ze dat niet hebben gedaan, sneu voor haar vader dat ze elkaar bijna een jaar niet irl hebben gezien, lijkt me echt zwaar.

Heb jij ook het gevoel dat bijna iedereen in GB hun adem inhoudt totdat er nieuws komt over de verhoren? Nieuwe feiten en statements is volgens mij waar iedereen op zit te wachten, speculeren is gevaarlijk geworden, alhoewel ik een beetje het gevoel heb dat die claims een vooropgezet plan waren, het Maddyfund was bijna leeg en het zou me niet verbazen dat dmv de contacten die Gerry heeft met de pers via Clarrie er een soort opzetje is gemaakt om daar wat aan te doen.
Wat natuurlijk echt een klap is in het gezicht van de persvrijheid.

Wat betreft je andere post, bla, spin, en geruchten, niets nieuws, alleen 'stating the obvious'.

Edit: niets tegen jou persoonlijk, enkel tegen dit "nieuws"
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Op donderdag 3 april 2008 14:36 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Als ik de ex van Murat was dan was ik ook niet naar Portugal gekomen, al die pers en detectives die daar rondspoken, het meisje had dan waarschijnlijk alleen maar persfotografen gezien, lijkt me niet echt handig, wel goed dat ze dat niet hebben gedaan, sneu voor haar vader dat ze elkaar bijna een jaar niet irl hebben gezien, lijkt me echt zwaar.

Heb jij ook het gevoel dat bijna iedereen in GB hun adem inhoudt totdat er nieuws komt over de verhoren? Nieuwe feiten en statements is volgens mij waar iedereen op zit te wachten, speculeren is gevaarlijk geworden, alhoewel ik een beetje het gevoel heb dat die claims een vooropgezet plan waren, het Maddyfund was bijna leeg en het zou me niet verbazen dat dmv de contacten die Gerry heeft met de pers via Clarrie er een soort opzetje is gemaakt om daar wat aan te doen.
Wat natuurlijk echt een klap is in het gezicht van de persvrijheid. Yep, allemaal de bek gesnoerd, lijkt potdomme het voormalige Oostblok wel! Het opzetje is wat mij betreft gemaakt door Clarence Mitchell tijdens die LSE-lezing. Ook toen was de bodem van het Madeleine-fonds zichtbaar. Ik hoop het nog mee te maken wát er allemaal aan de hand is want ergens klopt er iets niet, dat alle journo's één kant op kijken, en zo ook de McCanns&Co, naar de andere kant. Nog nooit vertoond.

Wat betreft je andere post, bla, spin, en geruchten, niets nieuws, alleen 'stating the obvious'.

Edit: niets tegen jou persoonlijk, enkel tegen dit "nieuws" Nee, dat weet ik wel hoor!
En dit stukje uit The Times uit mijn eerdere post is toch wel vreemd: "The officers will concentrate on alleged inconsistencies in the timelines of events on May 3. None of the witnesses will be made arguidos (official suspects under Portuguese law) and detectives will not seize evidence or search homes. Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, both doctors from Rothley, Leicestershire, have offered to be reinterviewed but will not be questioned. British officers will then begin interviews with more than two dozen other people who were at the Ocean Club resort in Praia Da Luz on May 3 last year or who were later connected to the case. "

Hoe weet The Times dat nou? Gespin van Mitchell. Net zoals dit artiklel uit de Daily Mail:
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McCanns could return to Portugal for anniversary of missing daughter Madeleine Kate and Gerry McCann are poised for a dramatic return to Portugal to mark the first anniversary of their daughter Madeleine's disappearance. The couple are prepared to defy their lawyers and risk arrest in an attempt to revive the search for the four-year-old.

The McCanns, who deny any involvement in her disappearance, were named official suspects – or arguidos – by Portuguese police in September, prompting them to leave Praia da Luz, the resort where Madeleine disappeared, and return to their home in Rothley, Leicestershire.

On Monday, Portuguese detectives will fly into the UK to re-interview the friends – but not the McCanns – at police headquarters in Leicestershire. The outcome will determine whether the couple, both doctors, return to the Algarve.

The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said today: 'Kate and Gerry are currently deciding whether to return to Portugal. It is being discussed 'Going to Portugal would send out the strongest possible message that Madeleine could still be alive and the search for her should continue. The family feel the focus should be on finding Madeleine.

'Next week's interviews will help in gauging the police attitude. In an ideal world they would not be arguidos and their lawyers have always warned them not to return while they have that status. But they want to be in Praia da Luz for the first anniversary,' he said.
No way! Gaan we zielig zoen zeker. Niemand in Praia da Luz, behalve wat Britse vriendjes aldaar, willen ze daar zien, bewoners zijn ze echt spuugzat. En bovendien moeten ze misschien wel terug maar dan niet vrijwillig, dit nav de uitkomst qua verhoren...ha!

Ik kan deze prent niet weerstaan...

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En aangezien er geen hot nieuws is, behalve het gebruikelijke geblaat van pinky boy Clarence Mitchell, een recensie van Joana Morais en wat snippers uit het onlangs verschenen boek van Paulo Pereira Cristóvão ‘The Star of Madeleine’ Het onderstaande leest gemakkelijk weg dus.... Het meeste heb ik in de loop van de tijd al gelezen. Het is natuurlijk geen waarheidsvinding, maar omdat hij Portugees is geef/gun ik hem het voordeel van de twijfel, met een terechte opsteker voor die luitjes aldaar die hebben gezocht, against all odds, en mogelijk, weliswaar in kleinere groep, nog steeds met de zaak bezig zijn.
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The key to a Mystery

Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, who had already published ‘A Estrela de Joana’, a bestseller about the case of Joana Cipriano Guerreiro – an investigation in which Mr Cristóvão had been directly involved, as one of the Policia Judiciaria inspectors that helped break the case – recently published a book about the case of Madeleine McCann, titled ‘A Estrela de Madeleine’ or ‘The Star of Madeleine’.

This novel, where fact and fiction are deliberately intertwined, as the author states in the foreword, invites us to reflect upon the various possible theories behind the disappearance of Madeleine. It does reach a conclusion of some sort, while leaving an open door into other solutions. The exploration of several theories is done almost exhaustively, presenting arguments in favour and against several possibilities.

All of this thinking is carried out using the two main characters as ‘vehicles’. Francisco Meireles, a young PJ inspector, and his chief, João Tavares, are fictional characters that we follow through several months of an investigation that is yet to be concluded. The narrative begins on the evening of May 3, 2007, and ends at an undefined point in time, with both colleagues looking out into the deep blue ocean, in Praia da Luz. Throughout the novel, a few real-life persons enter the action – Gonçalo Amaral, Guilhermino Encarnação and Luis Neves, the Policia Judiciaria ‘triad’ that was at the core of the investigation until October, as well as the McCann couple.

For most of us, who have followed the twists and turns of this case attentively, the ‘Star of Madeleine’ does not add any new information. It uses some fictional solutions as a stand-in for what we perceive as the real developments of the investigation. It also becomes obvious that the author is not ready to completely discard Mr Murat from the case, suggesting that there was some prior form of acquaintance between him and the McCanns. This was one of the angles that I personally found most intriguing in the novel, although it is confirmed that absolutely no trace of the missing child’s presence was ever found in or around Casa Liliana.

What does stand out very clearly from this book, is that the author wanted to make a strong defense of the Policia Judiciaria, of its work, and of Portugal and the Portuguese people in general. The book is dedicated to the men and women that serve the PJ, oftentimes with great personal sacrifice, and Mr Cristovão does not hide his sorrow over the non-existent defense that the higher instances of the Policia Judiciaria, and of the Portuguese State made of their judicial police, when confronted with the humiliating and offensive remarks that were published by a significant part of the British press.

In my personal opinion, this is not a masterpiece of literary expertise, but then again, it was never supposed to be. While being an easy read, at little more than 150 pages that are managed on the fly, with a narrative that is fluent and rarely comes to a slow, the most interesting aspect is precisely the ability that the author has to convey the rationale, the train of thought that policemen follow to reach one or another conclusion.

Mr Cristóvão reinforces the notion that professional investigators do not fixate their eyes on one solution, but rather consider several options and work their way through them, eliminating one thread after another, until they remain with one or more lines of investigation that are credible. He states rather clearly that, in the case at hand, it was not the investigators that actively chose to consider the McCanns as suspects and then looked for the evidence to match the theory, but that the evidence pointed the investigators into that direction.

As a matter of fact, if there is some criticism directed at the PJ’s work in this case, it is precisely that the investigators were too slow to respond to their own instincts: that they set their usual way of working aside, to concentrate on one theory – the abduction theory – that was being imposed on them from the outside in. According to this book, there are no doubts left as to the fact that there was active interference from external agents, in this investigation.

After spending many weeks trying to pursue the abduction theory, hitting one dead end after another, there is a turning point in the investigation, with the appearance of Daniel Krugel, a South-African former investigator, followed by the intervention of British sniffer dogs Eddie and Keela. The rest, as it is usually said, is history.

The ‘Star of Madeleine’ is harsh on the McCann couple. While the author does not spend a lot of sentences on Kate and Gerry McCann, the few that are actually dedicated to them, are unsympathetic to say the least. Mrs McCann is portrayed as a cold, tough person, and Mr McCann is pictured as a man who chooses to protect his wife, his remaining children and his way of life, when he is confronted with the deadly result of a domestic accident, rather than taking what the author considers to be the appropriate action.

Towards the end of the book, there is a rather poignant ‘Thank you’ chapter dedicated to Madeleine. The author thanks her for bringing people together over a common cause, and for reminding us of so many other missing children that had slowly but surely slipped into oblivion for the general public.

This is a book that, if nothing else, is clearly written from the heart of a man who cares deeply about children, about his former colleagues at the Policia Judiciaria, and about his home country. It is obviously pro-Portugal, a fact that Mr Cristóvão never makes an effort to hide. It is also obviously pro-Madeleine. Whether it is anti-McCann, is another matter entirely – it is certainly against trying to manipulate public opinion, against trying to interfere with a criminal investigation, and against trying to derail the due course of justice.

Finally, João Tavares leaves his young colleague – and the reader – with a challenge. He mentions a key, a sequence of four numbers that would enable him to win the ‘game’ of Praia da Luz. If you can make anything of the numbers 5, 2, 3 and 1, then you, too, might crack the case of a lifetime.

………………………….

Some snippets from ‘The Star of Madeleine’:

[What the detectives observe when they arrive at Apartment 5A on the night that Madeleine disappeared:] The furniture is impeccably aligned against the walls, as if someone had tried to make as much room as possible, in the centre of the living room. In the bedroom, the bed where the child was sleeping is on the opposite side of the window. Under the window, there is another bed that had not been in use. Whomever entered through the window, would have left foot marks on the bed, which in that position resembled a trap. But that had not happened.

Throughout the entire scene, the twins slept undisturbed. They were eventually carried away into another apartment, and never woke up.

……….

In the meantime, the inspector had been at the Tapas Bar; he had been sitting at the table where the group had also been, and he had talked to the waiters. They had told him that the group usually drank significant amounts of alcohol. On the night that Madeleine disappeared, they had consumed twelve bottles of wine, and some appetizers.

The investigators have gathered informal statements, and they start to compare them. They soon realise that something is wrong. The couple's friends stated that they got up several times to check on the children, while the waiters from the Tapas bar say they did not get up that often at all. But even within the group of friends, there are contradictions.

Two English people, one of them Jane Tanner, say that they saw a man carrying a child that could be the missing infant. The description given by Jane is very vague and carries a factor of doubt, as Gerry and a friend whom he was talking to, standing on the same location as Jane when she passed, saw nobody. The friend confirmed this.

……….

On the last day of July, the intuition of the investigators and the results from Krugel find two powerful allies that confirmed the scenario that had begun to form: the death of Madeleine McCann, on the evening of May 3.

Eddie's handler opens the door to apartment 5A, and lets the dog in, to walk freely as usual. The dog sniffs around, followed by his handler, the policemen, experts from the scientific police, and a video technician, who registers the procedure on tape. At a given moment, in the living room, Eddie signals the presence of a cadaver to his handler. According to the laws of forensics, it's a cadaver that has been in that condition for at least two hours.

On the next day, it is Keela who is put into action. After several minutes sniffing around the house, she detains herself next to a sofa in the living room. The investigators move the sofa aside, and Keela shows them two tiny spots of dry blood: one on the floor, the other one on the wall. The material is collected, and a decision is made, against the opinion of Francisco, and João Tavares. The samples are sent into a lab in Birmingham.

On the next day, early in the morning, Eddie is called back to service, to investigate the surroundings of the apartment. The dog stops here and there, marking a path that is referenced by apartment 5A and the beach of Luz. Without knowing, Eddie has just confirmed Krugel's findings.

……….

These two canines, without knowing it, were at the core of a volcano, when in three separate moments, they "accused" Madeleine's parents of, at least, not saying the whole truth about what happened to their daughter.

First, when they were given plenty of time and space to sniff through Robert Murat's house and all of his belongings, and did not discover anything that could minimally incriminate him.

Second, when they detected the odour of death on the key of the car that they used, which was rented more than twenty days after the little girl went missing. In the same car where they found traces of blood and hair under the spare tire.

Third, when, already in the new house where the couple was staying, Eddie once again smelled the characteristic odour of death on a pair of jeans and on a blouse that belong to Kate. The soft toy that the mother carried with her every time they went out, also presented a smell of death that was detected by the same dog. What the heck do we have here, then? - he thought, intrigued. - Did the parents stage this entire circus to hide the truth?

……….

Francisco continues:

- We went to dinner that evening, leaving our children who had been asleep since 7.30. An hour later, we were sitting at the table, with our friends who had equally left their children asleep in their bedrooms. We left the door unlocked, in case there might be an emergency. At some point, shortly after 9 p.m., the father went to the apartment and did not see his daughter where she had been sleeping, but he thought that she might be in the parents’ bedroom. He did not check if that was the case. Their friend Russell also went to check on his children, but he returned only an hour later, at the time when Kate, the mother, went into apartment 5A and did not find her daughter. Hence the despair… The child had been abducted by some stranger who had entered the bedroom and had taken her. This is it, chief!

João Tavares replies:

- Let’s see: according to the neighbour upstairs, mother and daughter had been yelling at each other. It seems that the child was hyperactive. The parents, despite the fact that they are doctors with three small children, did not bring any medication, not even a single tablet for a headache… or at least we didn’t see any. There were babysitters on offer for free, but they were dismissed that evening, for whatever reason. Among the group of friends, there are checks to suit every taste, according to their statements: every 15 minutes, every half hour, etc. Some only check on their own, others check on all the children, others only listen at the door… In the case of the twins, they didn’t even need to bother, they simply could not wake up, even in the midst of the turmoil that was generated that night. The caring mother told the neighbour upstairs that the police had been called when the alarm was raised, but she was lying. The first people that called the GNR were the employees of the Ocean Club. The same neighbour said she never saw the mother in a panic, which would be normal for a mother under the circumstances… As far as I know, nobody ever said that the lady was lying! The father, who was a lot more worried about gathering support in England, made one phone call after another, which were more political than anything else. And why was the child’s father wandering around, in the early hours of the morning, asking for the way to the church, when he had passed it so many times, on the way to the beach? And why did the English friends immediately send out the marketing and public relations heavyweight experts? Hum? And… if there were that many checks, when was the break that allowed the abductor to enter the apartment? And then there is the mother, saying that someone entered through the children’s bedroom windows, but the GNR people said that the shutters had never been forced… And then there are the doggies, that never missed a case over 200 times, and now supposedly have got it all wrong?

……….

You know, Madeleine, many of those people who work as policemen, did everything they could to solve the mystery of your disappearance, and to bring you back to the coziness of your bed. Then they continued, never stopping, to do everything they could to clarify what had happened to you. Hundreds of men and women dedicated themselves to trying to understand what had been your destiny. They never looked at their meager salaries or at their non-existent overtime payments. They gave up time with their families and with their “Madeleines” to search for you, to try to understand what might have happened to you.

If you’d ask them today if they would do it all over again, whether there was a microscopic chance of returning you into your bed or not, I assure you that all of them would respond to the calling again, and get back to work. Come rain or sunshine, against whomever they might have to go, they would do it all over again.

Just for the fact that you are a child, innocent, small and helpless, they would go into all the deserts of Morocco to search for you. They would lift the world’s carpet to see if you where underneath it.

These people are not always perfect in everything they do, but I can guarantee you one thing: they are committed, they are stubborn, and they also don’t like losing one bit, especially when children like you are at stake. That is when they dedicate themselves even more to the services that other men assign them to. Not only because of the justice of men, but essentially because of the justice that your name deserves. They did everything they could so you could laugh at the end. So you were not gone in vain. You certainly aren’t.
De clou weet ik nog niet echt:
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Finally, João Tavares leaves his young colleague – and the reader – with a challenge. He mentions a key, a sequence of four numbers that would enable him to win the ‘game’ of Praia da Luz. If you can make anything of the numbers 5, 2, 3 and 1, then you, too, might crack the case of a lifetime.
Ik ben daar geen held in, zal wel iets te maken hebben tussen de McCanns en die Tapas-vrienden. In dit topic op het 3arguidoforum gaat men nog even door op de mogelijke betrokkenheid van Murat én z'n moeder, ook beschreven in het boek. Oeps...

En wat staat er o.a. op de agenda van het Europees Parlement, The Week Ahead – 7-13 April 2008 (van een poster op het 3arguidoforum) "Missing child hotline. A meeting to consider prospects for a Europe-wide alert system for missing or abducted children will hear from Gerry and Kate McCann, whose daughter Madeleine has been missing since May 2007 (Thursday)." (Amber Alert dus)

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Op donderdag 3 april 2008 18:09 schreef Suko het volgende:

En dit stukje uit The Times uit mijn eerdere post is toch wel vreemd: "The officers will concentrate on alleged inconsistencies in the timelines of events on May 3. None of the witnesses will be made arguidos (official suspects under Portuguese law) and detectives will not seize evidence or search homes. Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, both doctors from Rothley, Leicestershire, have offered to be reinterviewed but will not be questioned. British officers will then begin interviews with more than two dozen other people who were at the Ocean Club resort in Praia Da Luz on May 3 last year or who were later connected to the case. "

Hoe weet The Times dat nou? Gespin van Mitchell. Net zoals dit artiklel uit de Daily Mail:
In het kader van als we maar hard genoeg roepen dan luisteren ze vast wel, ontkennen tot in de kist.
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No way! Gaan we zielig zoen zeker. Niemand in Praia da Luz, behalve wat Britse vriendjes aldaar, willen ze daar zien, bewoners zijn ze echt spuugzat. En bovendien moeten ze misschien wel terug maar dan niet vrijwillig, dit nav de uitkomst qua verhoren...ha!
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Ik kan deze prent niet weerstaan...
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MADDYWATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann

THE SUN: “McCanns risk arrest over visit”

KATE and Gerry McCann may risk arrest by returning to Portugal for the one-year anniversary of their daughter’s disappearance.


The couple are prepared to take the chance in a last ditch attempt to revive interest in four-year-old Maddie, missing since May 3.

Any facts?

The doctors, both 39, left the Praia da Luz resort last September – 48 hours after being made official suspects over the mystery.

Gerry and Kate McCann are Doctors. Such are the facts.

Says the McCanns’ spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: “They want to be there for the first anniversary. Going out there would send the strongest possible message that Madeleine could still be alive and the search for her should continue.”

SYDNEY MORNING HERALD: “Turning the tabloids”

Ben Affleck is Gone Baby Gone:

Almost as troublesome was the story’s unforeseen and unintended resemblance to a real-life case of child kidnapping that hit the headlines in the months it was being filmed. That was the disappearance in Portugal last year of British girl Madeleine McCann, who was of a similar age and appearance to the film’s kidnapping victim and had a name eerily similar to the character in the Lehane novel, Amanda McCready.

McCready has disappeared amid the squalor of her south Boston neighbourhood. The police are out in formation, as are the television news vans, antennas raised high, all but trembling for blood.
Rondje anorak is het met je eens btw.

http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/182716.html
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Wat een arrogantie toch hé van die McCanns, verschrikkelijk, maar dat ze in het Europees Parlement, zie eerdere post onderaan, het nieuw op te zetten Europees alert-systeem persoonlijk mogen komen toelichten als nog steeds formeel verdachten vind ik onbegrijpelijk...

In de Daily Mail wordt melding gemaakt van een nog leeg Praia da Luz, dan kan al gauw volgens mij, het is nog vroeg in 't seizoen maar het is stiller als gebruikelijk. Dit stukje is toch een duidelijke (van The Ocean Club) sneer naar de McCanns: "Holidaymakers staying at the Ocean Club now receive three separate printed sheets warning about security and safety. One headed: 'Security and Safety Alert' states: 'Please may we repeat to all parents that children under the age of 12 must be accompanied and supervised at all times.' Another states: 'We ask guests for their own security to always close windows (or security shutters) whenever they leave their accommodation, even if it is only for a few minutes.'

Eén tourcompany is wel optimistisch: "'The tour operators tell me they have been selling very well in the Algarve. What happened last year is not an issue. 'When people go to New York, they visit the site of the Twin Towers. Now people come here to visit where Madeleine went missing. It is morbid tourism.' Eerder zie iemand: "the "Maddy effect".

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En verder geeft Clarence Mitchell commentaar op het stil gehouden tripje van de MacCanns van onlangs naar Washington: ""When Kate and Gerry went to see officials in Washington, we saw the national Amber co-ordinator who said there was no reason it couldn't happen in Europe, if the political will was there. "In principle, such a system would mean that if a child went missing in Portugal, every other country would know about it. "In our case, the Spanish border was not informed for 12 hours, which was totally unacceptable." Leicester Mercury
Ach ja, als ouders hun kids bewust alleen laten helpt er echt geen wet tegen! (ook niet als ze hun kind zelf 'vermist' hebben gemaakt...)

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Nog even over die ontmoeting met het Europees Parlement. sosmaddie.dhblogs.be
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Miliband brings McCann to the European Parliament
Kate and Gerry McCann, arguidos in the investigation with the disappearance of their Madeleine daughter, will be next Thursday in the European Parliament in Brussels, or they will take part in a meeting in connection with the creation of a European alarm system to announce the disappearance of children.

According to a source within the permanent representation of the United Kingdom at the European Parliament, it is the cabinet of David Miliband, Foreign Minister, whom the participation of McCann would have intervened in order to allow

In spite of the importance of the subject, several members of Parliament already expressed their surprise with the participation of the couple, considering their statute of suspects in an investigation which is always in hand vis-a-vis the justice of one of the Member States.


The meeting coincides with the adjournment of a declaration written in connection with the European co-operation in the searchs for missing children. At the origin of the meeting have finds the British Glenys Kinnock, Edouard McMillan-Scott, Struan Stevenson and Diana Wallis. After the meeting, Gerry and Kate McCann, give a press conference with several British members of Parliament.
(Oveirgens vind ik het jammer dat dit topic met nieuws en de verdere ontwikkelingen wat betreft Madeleine McCann verplaatst is naar de sectie Misdaad, wereldwijd is het nog steeds veelal voorpagina-nieuws, hier verstopt in een sectie die het nieuws niet laat zien...)

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Ik las net een commentaar van Paulo Reis (iets wat ik mij zelf ook al eerder afvroeg) op het aritikel in de The Times: “None of the witnesses” to be questioned by British Police in the presence of Portuguese detectives “will be made arguidos (official suspects under Portuguese law)”, according to The Times. Says who? – I asked myself. Because I thought that this kind of decisions, in a case that is classified as a crime, occurred in Portugal (a sovereign country) and has a Portuguese police investigation pending, belongs to Portuguese legal authorities. But there is another point. How is it possible to give this kind of assurances, before the questioning? How is it possible to guarantee that a suspect will not be charged, even before he is submitted to a police interrogation? How is it possible to know the lottery numbers before the draw?"

En Blogster Joana Morais (die ik ook regelmatig citeer) reageerde op zijn site: "You're absolutely right, Paulo. Why would the Portuguese Police request mutual legal assistance to the British authorities if no more arguidos/suspects are to be constituted? For all we know there could be even a request for extradition. Why did the McCanns choose this exact timing to go to Brussels? Is Clarence Mitchell, who is going to be questioned along with the 'Tapas Friends' and the former McCann's spokesperson, going to miss this visit to the European Parliament? Have the Portuguese MEP's forgotten MEP Roger Knapmann, Piers Merchant, which accused Portugal of being a corrupted State? And now MEP Edward McMillan-Scott is backing the McCanns who are formal suspects and broke the Law (Article 138º of the Portuguese Penal code) in a child alert system? The hypocrisy of this couple, the lack of morals of this wanna be celebrities/ambassadors of missing children, and the constant cover up in the Uk press makes me want to puke!"

Ik begin mij werkelijk toch af te vragen of alles al niet is bekokstoofd. Hoe kan The Times dát nou schrijven, (None of the witnesses will be made arguidos (official suspects under Portuguese law) and detectives will not seize evidence or search homes) is dat wetenschap? Meestal bij een gevalletje spin staat er 'could' dus het zou kunnen maar hier wordt het als feit beschreven. En waarom gaan de McCanns volgende week naar het EP in Brussel, net als de verhoren aan de gang zijn? Een tijd geleden al riep er iemand van de PJ dat het publiek zich moest voorbereiden, maar voor wat werd toen niet duidelijk. Zou zomaar kunnen dat de McCanns er mee wegkomen en dat we idd maar aan dat idee moeten wennen. Op het 3arguidoforum roepen ze op je eigen MP te vinden in het EP, aanschrijven en zo, dat gaat mij te ver, vooral omdat een aantal MP's hun zorg/verrassing al hebben uitgesproken.

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Op vrijdag 4 april 2008 20:58 schreef Suko het volgende:


Ik begin mij werkelijk toch af te vragen of alles al niet is bekokstoofd. Hoe kan The Times dát nou schrijven, (None of the witnesses will be made arguidos (official suspects under Portuguese law) and detectives will not seize evidence or search homes) is dat wetenschap? Meestal bij een gevalletje spin staat er 'could' dus het zou kunnen maar hier wordt het als feit beschreven. En waarom gaan de McCanns volgende week naar het EP in Brussel, net als de verhoren aan de gang zijn? Een tijd geleden al riep er iemand van de PJ dat het publiek zich moest voorbereiden, maar voor wat werd toen niet duidelijk. Zou zomaar kunnen dat de McCanns er mee wegkomen en dat we idd maar aan dat idee moeten wennen. Op het 3arguidoforum roepen ze op je eigen MP te vinden in het EP, aanschrijven en zo, dat gaat mij te ver, vooral omdat een aantal MP's hun zorg/verrassing al hebben uitgesproken.

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Dit kan imho 2 kanten op gaan, of ze hebben zich zo ingegraven dat de zaak openblijft en ze arguido af zijn binnenkort of ze hebben juist door al dat gespin in het nieuws er voor gezorgd dat ze dat nooit kunnen maken en ze zijn inderdaad de komende 20 jaar arguido.

Hoe dan ook, er is blijkbaar geen sluitend bewijs voor de schuld/onschuld van de ouders, de bewijzen in dat app zijn grondig om zeep geholpen door die kudde 'helpers' die door de kamer is gebanjerd, de pers is monddood gemaakt, de PJ zo tegengewerkt dat het me verbaasd dat er nog actie ondernomen wordt, volgens mij is de enige oplossing het vinden van, waarschijnlijk, het lijkje van Maddy. Dan weten ze iig wat haar is overkomen en kunnen ze vandaaruit verder rechercheren.
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This is the deserted Ocean Club holiday resort almost a year after Madeleine McCann went missing.

The poolside tapas restaurant, where her parents were dining when the three-year-old vanished from their apartment, has been shut.

The pool is practically unused while the neighbouring tennis courts are almost permanently empty. Yesterday afternoon, in spite of clear blue skies, only four people sat beside it.



The deserted swimming pool at Portuguese holiday resort Praia da Luz

One employee said: 'Maybe people are a bit scared to come here. They are a bit jittery. I don't think the Madeleine case has helped. It is very quiet here at the moment but maybe that's also because it's the beginning of the season.'

Another employee said: 'I have worked here for three seasons and at the moment this season is so quiet I am wondering if I will last the next three months. This is the quietest I have ever known it at the Ocean Club.'

The tapas restaurant became infamous after Madeleine's disappearance. Her parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, were dining there with friends while she slept in their apartment about 100 yards away.

The alarm was raised at 10pm when Mrs McCann left the restaurant to check on her three children and discovered the eldest had gone.

Almost 12 months on, the pool area, including the restaurant which has reopened as a snack bar, closes at 6pm or earlier. Mark Warner, the tour operator which co-owns the Ocean Club, admitted today that bookings were down.

But a company spokesman denied the existence of a 'Madeleine effect' on tourism.

He said: 'Business is lower than it was at this time last year but Mark Warner believes that is down to Easter coming early. This it true across the whole industry. We expect business to improve as the season moves on.'

He said the tapas bar had been shut during an 'overhaul' of catering across the Ocean Club.

Another restaurant is open at a separate part of the resort complex, which is spread across Praia da Luz.

Holidaymakers staying at the Ocean Club now receive three separate printed sheets warning about security and safety.

One headed: 'Security and Safety Alert' states: 'Please may we repeat to all parents that children under the age of 12 must be accompanied and supervised at all times.'

Another states: 'We ask guests for their own security to always close windows (or security shutters) whenever they leave their accommodation, even if it is only for a few minutes.'

The McCanns had shut the rear patio doors to their apartment but left them unlocked as they sat down to eat. They believe their daughter was abducted by a man who entered through the doors and left by a window.

Mark Warner said security guidance was issued regularly and not in response to Madeleine's disappearance.



Madeleine McCann has been missing since May 2007

The spokesman said: 'The McCanns would have received similar safety guidelines. Praia da Luz is probably the safest place on the planet over the last year because there have been a lot of police down there.'

Today the town appears very quiet with almost all posters appealing for help in finding Madeleine, which used to appear in shop and apartment windows and car windscreens, now removed.

One faded photograph of the little girl appears on the noticeboard beside the Catholic church where Mrs McCann would pray regularly when she was still in Praia da Luz.

The couple left in September after being made official police suspects. They deny any involvement in Madeleine's disappearance.

The beach in Praia da Luz remains almost empty. Holidaymaker John Trcek, 53, from Sheffield, who has visited the town five times in 18 months, said: 'This is the quietest I have ever known it. I am trying to buy an apartment at the moment and the guy I am buying it from thinks it's the "Maddy effect".

One tour company told me they had had cancellations because of what happened.' But Miguel Domingues, who runs the Azure Seas gift shop on the seafront, was bullish.

He said: 'This is the beginning of the season. Everything will be very good for this year.

'The tour operators tell me they have been selling very well in the Algarve. What happened last year is not an issue.

'When people go to New York, they visit the site of the Twin Towers. Now people come here to visit where Madeleine went missing. It is morbid tourism.'
Nou dat vind ik een beetje apart, zouden daar veel Britten komen oid? Wat kan dat resort er aan doen dat er een paar onverantwoordelijke ouders niet goed op hun kind hebben gelet, hopelijk valt het mee voor de eigenaar van het resort en trekt het gastenaantal nog aan, het zou toch te gek voor woorden zijn dat er een resort failliet gaat vanwege de fouten van de McCanns? En tja die paar ramptoeristen die daar op af komen die zullen het verlies van de gezinnen met kinderen niet goedmaken, denk ik.
Misschien valt het wel mee, is het gewoon een slap voorseizoen dat hoop ik dan maar.
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Nou ja, als er iets ernstig heeft plaatsgevonden waar dan ook dan is het zowel afstotend als aantrekkelijk. Maar het plaatsje Praia da Luz heeft voor een lange lange tijd associaties met Madeleine McCann, het kan zelfs mogelijk een soort van bedevaartsoord worden, marketingluitjes (McCann-related?) weten daar wel raad mee....sorry voor dit cynische ondertoontje.
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Dit kan imho 2 kanten op gaan, of ze hebben zich zo ingegraven dat de zaak openblijft en ze arguido af zijn binnenkort of ze hebben juist door al dat gespin in het nieuws er voor gezorgd dat ze dat nooit kunnen maken en ze zijn inderdaad de komende 20 jaar arguido.

Hoe dan ook, er is blijkbaar geen sluitend bewijs voor de schuld/onschuld van de ouders, de bewijzen in dat app zijn grondig om zeep geholpen door die kudde 'helpers' die door de kamer is gebanjerd, de pers is monddood gemaakt, de PJ zo tegengewerkt dat het me verbaasd dat er nog actie ondernomen wordt, volgens mij is de enige oplossing het vinden van, waarschijnlijk, het lijkje van Maddy. Dan weten ze iig wat haar is overkomen en kunnen ze vandaaruit verder rechercheren.
Dat laatste is in ieder geval cruciaal indeed, maar ik vrees dat Madeleine nooit wordt gevonden, daar heeft iemand die daar verstand van heeft wel voor gezorgd. Naar verluidt had Gerry McCann een boek bij zich, hoe men zich ontdoet van een lijk, "no stone unturned" van Steve Jackson, waar later de titel door de McCanns de slogan is gebruikt "Leaving No Stone Unturned", pure speculation of course...

Anyway, Charlotte heeft een commentaar afgescheiden die zo ongeveer verwoord wat we hier en daar in posten ook hebben beschreven:
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I’ve taken a backseat lately with regard the McCann case because it has been purely spin with no real news. I have a feeling that repeating words on a daily basis is only helping to perpetuate the thorny bush of ‘they say I say.’

However – the news with regard the McCanns being present at the Europe-wide alert system for cases of child abduction has really flummoxed me to the point that I feel something should be said.

Putting things into perspective: The McCanns are ‘parents’ who have (by their own admission) left their children alone while they socialised with friends, they are suspects in Madeleine’s disappearance and have nothing whatsoever to substantiate their claims that Madeleine had been abducted, yet they are attending a debate with regard child abduction? Where is the sense in that?

What can the McCanns add to this debate? Do not leave your children unattended while you socialise? Please remember to get a babysitter to watch over your children? That’s common sense with most parents and does not exactly correspond with the ‘Amber Alert’.

But perhaps rather than asking the above questions people should be questioning why the European Parliament has allowed the McCanns to be present.

Wider agenda perhaps?

To round off - According to BBC News : “The couple's spokesman Clarence Mitchell said they were happy to use Madeleine's disappearance to boost any moves which would improve the recovery rate of missing children in the 27 EU countries.”

That statement is as questionable as Gerry McCann’s reply when the risk assessment was mentioned about Madeleine’s eye defect: “We thought it was possible this could hurt her. Her abductor might do something to her eye. But in marketing terms it was a good ploy.”

Not exactly the words a person would expect from a protective parent of their apparent missing child.
Exact! Maar het blijft toch curieus dat Kate McCann met name al vorig jaar juni, en ik had dit al eind mei gelezen, zich met missing children zou gaan bezig houden ipv haar parttime-baan als huisarts voor te zetten : "Kate, 38, is now considering leaving her job as a GP to campaign full-time. A family friend said: “They have come to realise that this is a major issue. If they can act as figureheads then that’s all well and good. June 17, 2007 The Times Nogmaals, er klopt iets niet, het voelt niet goed, er spelen andere zaken/belangen mee...

Krijg nou wat, Metodo 3 heeft weer eens een sigthing ontvangen (werd ook al weer tijd he), van een zekere Mrs Jones...The Sun

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Op zaterdag 5 april 2008 13:40 schreef Suko het volgende:
Nou ja, als er iets ernstig heeft plaatsgevonden waar dan ook dan is het zowel afstotend als aantrekkelijk. Maar het plaatsje Praia da Luz heeft voor een lange lange tijd associaties met Madeleine McCann, het kan zelfs mogelijk een soort van bedevaartsoord worden, marketingluitjes (McCann-related?) weten daar wel raad mee....sorry voor dit cynische ondertoontje.
Geeft niets, ik heb hetzelfde gedacht, daar is vast wel een slaatje uit te slaan idd.
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Dat laatste is in ieder geval cruciaal indeed, maar ik vrees dat Madeleine nooit wordt gevonden, daar heeft iemand die daar verstand van heeft wel voor gezorgd. Naar verluidt had Gerry McCann een boek bij zich, hoe men zich ontdoet van een lijk, "no stone unturned" van Steve Jackson, waar later de titel door de McCanns de slogan is gebruikt "Leaving No Stone Unturned", pure speculation of course...
Waar rook is, is vuur bedoel je?
Ik weet niet meer wat te denken maar sommige dingen zijn op z'n minst bedenkelijk, om niet te zeggen walgelijk.
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Anyway, Charlotte heeft een commentaar afgescheiden die zo ongeveer verwoord wat we hier en daar in posten ook hebben beschreven:
Niets meer aan toe te voegen, onbegrijpelijk allemaal.
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Exact! Maar het blijft toch curieus dat Kate McCann met name al vorig jaar juni, en ik had dit al eind mei gelezen, zich met missing children zou gaan bezig houden ipv haar parttime-baan als huisarts voor te zetten : "Kate, 38, is now considering leaving her job as a GP to campaign full-time. A family friend said: “They have come to realise that this is a major issue. If they can act as figureheads then that’s all well and good. June 17, 2007 The Times Nogmaals, er klopt iets niet, het voelt niet goed, er spelen andere zaken/belangen mee...
Dit is idd een tenenkrommend bericht, je eigen kind is nog maar zo kort geleden verdwenen, dan wil je je toch nergens anders druk om maken dan om haar veilige terugkomst? Dan ga je niet nadenken over carreermoves en plannetjes voor later.
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Krijg nou wat, Metodo 3 heeft weer eens een sigthing ontvangen (werd ook al weer tijd he), van een zekere Mrs Jones...The Sun
Mrs. Jones, , Me and Mrs. Jones, we've got a thing going one.....

That thing is: spin, 15 minutes of fame and a headline or 2, ik hoor het Clarrie gewoon al zingen.
be nice or go away
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Op zaterdag 5 april 2008 16:43 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Mrs. Jones, , Me and Mrs. Jones, we've got a thing going one.....

That thing is: spin, 15 minutes of fame and a headline or 2, ik hoor het Clarrie gewoon al zingen.
Scherp! Anyway, morgen arriveren dus die Portugese 'vrienden'' van de Leicester Police, een snipper uit de The Sunday Sun:
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"They will be interviewed as witnesses and are free to leave at any time, said a spokeswoman for Leicestershire Constabulary. No lawyers will be present. There had been speculation that diaries and Madeleine's Cuddle Cat toy could be seized by Portuguese officers, but it is understood that no property will be searched or seized. The Portuguese officers are expected to land at East Midlands Airport from Faro at 12.20pm on Monday. They will be met by British officers and are expected to avoid the public arrivals lounge by being escorted out through a private exit once they have cleared customs. The Portuguese officers are staying at a hotel in Leicester city centre.
Wel nee, geen advocaten nodig, alles is al doorgenomen, de vragen én de antwoorden...Het wordt bijna voorgesteld als een gespekje onder het genot van een kopje thee. Deels best wel een spinverhaal omdat veel kranten hetzelfde melden, dan is er dus een rondschrijven van CM verstuurd.

Sky News voegt nog toe:
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"The process of interviewing key witnesses will last several weeks but the Portuguese detectives will return home from interviewing the Tapas Seven at the end of the week. Madeleine's parents Kate, 40, and her husband, 39-year-old Gerry, remain arguidos - formal suspects - in the case. The McCanns will not be in Leicestershire for the duration of the visit by Mr Rebelo and his team. On Wednesday, they travel to Brussels to lobby for better co-ordination between European countries when a child goes missing."
Wat miij betreft, een zware belediging naar de PJ, dat de McCanns veelal afwezig zijn tijdens hun bezoek.

En dan voor vandaag een verhaal uit de Guardian, onder het genot van bak koffie en een croissantje:
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Madeleine: in Praia da Luz, there's not even a traffic cop
The 'missing' posters are mostly torn down. The hotels are preparing for the first of the season's tourists. Police are still talking to witnesses, but there is growing acceptance that Madeleine McCann's disappearance will never be explained

The good news for the reception desk at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz is that they have every prospect of a full house for late April and early May. It is particularly welcome this year, as tourist numbers have been down because of the pound weakening against the euro and Easter falling early.

The downside is that many of their guests are likely to arrive not with bathing costumes, tennis rackets and sun cream, but with laptops, microphones and television cameras. And their focus will be on the one flat in the Mark Warner holiday complex that has lain empty for 11 months: Apartment 5-A, where Madeleine McCann disappeared on the evening of 3 May, 2007, a few days before her fourth birthday.

The media's first-anniversary invasion has not yet begun in earnest. Last week only a trickle of British newspaper reporters, the odd photographer and a team from al-Jazeera television were in evidence. There was no sign of the Polícia Judiciária, Portugal's equivalent of the CID, nor even an ordinary traffic cop, outside the flat where Madeleine was last seen. Only a flimsy silver chain barring entry to the back garden entrance recalls the tragedy, the agonising efforts to find Madeleine that became a worldwide campaign and the deepening mystery surrounding the case after her parents, Kate and Gerry, were interrogated and declared arguidos, or formal suspects, by the Portuguese authorities last August.

The posters of Madeleine that filled every shop window in the weeks after her disappearance are gone. Just one faded image of her is still on display - on the bulletin board outside the church, where the local Catholic and Anglican communities hold an ecumenical service every Friday to highlight the case of Madeleine and of other missing children around the world.

Poignantly, a poster recently pinned up at the entrance of the Baptista supermarket, a few dozen yards downhill from the flat where Madeleine last hugged her mother goodnight, pleads in Portuguese: 'Não te esqueças de mim.' Don't forget about me.

In recent weeks, to the alarm of Madeleine's parents back home in the Leicestershire village of Rothley, that had seemed a real possibility. In Portugal the active search for their missing daughter by the police and hundreds of local residents on the oceanfront, in gardens, olive groves and scrubland has long since ended.

The police, and the Spanish-based Metodo 3 detective agency hired by the McCanns, are still responding to 'sightings' or claims of fresh evidence of what has happened to her, but these have become less and less frequent. A recent claim by a taxi driver on the eastern end of the Algarve coast, near the Spanish border, that he had driven Madeleine and four adults to a nearby hotel on the night of her disappearance appears to have come to nothing. So, too, has a freelance search by a Madeira-based lawyer of a lake down a twisting potholed lane outside the Algarve's old Moorish capital, Silves.

The police investigation, and the often lurid local newspaper headlines accompanying it, have gone quiet. Last October a new officer was put in charge. The official spokesman for the investigation has been replaced by two Lisbon-based officials who were politely replying last week to all press inquiries by saying: 'Sorry. It is our policy that we cannot comment at all on the case.'

In fact, there are now signs of new movement in the investigation - and every prospect that, starting in the next few days and building towards the first anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance, her case will again be front-page news in Portugal, Britain and around the world.

Early this week a team of Portuguese police is due to travel to Britain to re-interview witnesses from the so-called 'Tapas Nine' - the seven friends who, along with the McCanns, were dining at a poolside tapas restaurant 50 yards from Apartment 5-A on the night Madeleine disappeared. Particularly in the light of a comment by Portugal's Justice Minister, Alberto Costa, two months ago that the investigation was nearing its conclusion, the mission is likely to prove critical in determining in what direction, and at what pace, the next stage of the largest police probe in Portugal's history is now taken.

The only other person named as a suspect in the case would already seem to be out of the frame, to the cautious relief of his distraught family, veteran pillars of Praia da Luz's expatriate British community. Robert Murat, 33, was on a week's visit from Britain to his mother Jenny's home, yards from Apartment 5-A, when Madeleine disappeared. But he cancelled his return flight, stayed on in Praia da Luz, and was informally helping the investigators as a translator when a British Sunday newspaper journalist told the police she thought he was acting suspiciously.

They brought him in for questioning and - largely, Portuguese polices sources have said, on the strength of British crime profilers - formally made him an arguido in mid-May. They secured a routine three-month extension to his suspect status last January, but in recent weeks have returned a computer, his clothing and other property removed from the home that Murat shares with his mother.

The McCanns, too, are drawing some hope from the Portuguese police team's visit to Britain. Their spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, said yesterday that while the couple had made clear their readiness to speak to the investigators, or even to return to Portugal if required, 'there has been no request to talk to them'. He also revealed that, contrary to media speculation in recent months, the visiting investigators have conveyed no plans to conduct any searches in Britain, to take possession of Kate's personal diary, or of Cuddle Cat - Madeleine's favourite toy - which Kate constantly clasped by her side during the weeks after her disappearance.

But an unprecedentedly detailed account of the days and weeks after Madeleine's disappearance from a well-placed Portuguese police source suggests that - after numerous fruitless twists and turns in the investigation, and in the absence of either a 'body or a confession' - the police focus is on the accounts of the McCanns and their friends of precisely what happened to Madeleine on the night she vanished.

The source has not suggested there is evidence that Madeleine's parents were involved in the disappearance, or the possible death, of their child - a suggestion that Kate and Gerry have passionately denied, pressing home the point last month in securing a half-million-pound settlement from the Express newspaper group over stories suggesting they were implicated. Indeed, amid the rash of reports last September suggesting there was DNA proof linking Madeleine's parents to her death, the same police source emphasised that the DNA samples had proved to be degraded, incomplete, possibly contaminated and inconclusive. But the source has said that, almost from the outset, particularly amid growing Portuguese police scepticism that Murat had any connection with Madeleine's disappearance, the 'key' to the investigation had been in unravelling what the Polícia Judiciária felt were 'difficulties and contradictions' in the accounts given by the McCanns and their friends in the immediate aftermath of the tragedy.

Part of the police concern, he said, involved details of Kate and Gerry's initial statements - whether the back window and shutters in the flat had been open or closed, for instance, and whether Gerry had entered from the front door or the back and exactly when the parents or their friends had checked to make sure Madeleine and her then two-year-old twin siblings, Sean and Amelie, were safe and well.

Equally crucial to somehow resolving the case, he said, were the accounts of the 'Tapas Nine' - and particularly Jane Tanner, who earlier this year went public in a BBC Panorama documentary with her account of having seen a man carrying a child in pink pyjamas like Madeleine's outside the McCanns' flat at 9.15pm.

'Jane at first made no mention of the pyjamas,' the source insisted. He said that this detail and a number of others about the man apparently carrying a child emerged only later in her statements to the police. He said the initial statements by the McCanns and each of their friends had 'never fit together' and that the police were particularly sceptical when, after the group had had time to talk a few days later, an 'agreed time-line' seemed to emerge.

Mitchell said yesterday that, far from opposing the latest move by the Portuguese police to press their concerns over the 'Tapas Nine' testimony, the McCanns, Tanner and their other friends eagerly welcomed the opportunity, in the hope of finally bringing the legal process to an end and focusing 'on what really matters - Madeleine'. Some of the friends, he said, had even considered going back to Portugal to try to speed an end to the investigation.

Mitchell said he was not surprised by the inconsistencies in the initial accounts. 'You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile phones, and absolute panic set in when they realised what had happened. They were running around and then several hours later they were forced to sit down and recount their movements in exact detail and they were at sixes and sevens... We would say that, if the police had a perfect time line across nine people, that would be a damn sight more suspicious than the fractured, illogical composite statements they might have got.'

And although Mitchell was not in Praia da Luz in the days after Madeleine disappeared, he said his personal contacts since then with Tanner and the other friends had convinced him there was 'nothing furtive or suspicious' about the time-line provided to the police. 'Everything I've seen and heard on a private, human level tells me that this is an innocent group of people who have got caught up in this awful situation and they're doing their best to try and help their friends on a decency level.'

Luis Maia, a leading Portuguese television journalist who co-authored the first of what are now five books on Madeleine in Portugal, said yesterday his gut feeling was that - barring an unexpected breakthrough, or a formal police request to re-interview Kate or Gerry - the investigation was finally nearing an inevitable end, with the mystery of the missing girl no closer to resolution.

For the parents, the next few days and weeks are likely to be difficult, with the approach of the anniversary of the disappearance of a daughter nearing her fifth birthday - especially in Rothley, in the home Kate had said she could not bear to live in again without having Madeleine back.

'Some days, for both Kate and Gerry, are better than others,' Mitchell said. 'But they still believe she is quite possibly alive. There has been no evidence to the contrary.

'And every day that goes by without her being found makes them think that she must be somewhere, very well hidden, and that someone must have her.'

How life changed for those caught in the public glare of a heart-rending case
The parents

As the first anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance draws closer, her parents are back home in the Leicestershire village of Rothley. Gerry has returned to full-time work as a cardiologist, on call, with regular NHS hours. Kate, a GP, has decided not to go back to work at a local surgery until the fate of her daughter is resolved. She takes Sean and Amelie to nursery school every day and is in frequent phone or email contact with 'Find Madeleine' campaign organisers, charities, the family's lawyers and police.

'There are good days and bad days,' says the McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell, but they take hope from the belief that, in the absence of any evidence to the contrary, their daughter is still alive.

Meanwhile, they have thrown themselves into urging Britain and the rest of Europe to improve co-ordination in dealing with missing children and to adopt an American-style 'amber light' alert system to speed up attempts to find them.

That will be the core message of a British television documentary in which they plan to take part on the first anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance. 'They feel that if, God forbid, Madeleine is not found, that will be a fitting legacy for her,' says Mitchell.

The McCanns' first spokesman

Within hours of the news of Madeleine's disappearance, Alex Woolfall of the London-based PR agency Bell Pottinger was asked by Mark Warner to fly to Praia da Luz as part of a 'crisis' team to help her traumatised parents deal with the media.

'People forget there was quite a lot of hope at the time and we figured that if we got photos out someone would call up and say: "Yes, I've just spotted her."'

Woolfall says he feels the way the media behaved was 'unique and extraordinary - and I put that down to the fact that so many of the journalists out there were doing the story as parents first, and journalists second. It was: there, but for the grace of God, go we.'

With the approach of the anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance, he says, he has inevitably found himself reflecting on her parents' agony. 'This year a very good friend of mine has had a baby, and I've watched him grow over the last 12 months. And he's become an individual rather than a baby now.

'And I just cannot imagine what it would be like to have a child and bring up a child and then to have that child taken from you. I just feel deeply, deeply sad for Kate and Gerry. I don't think anyone can really imagine what is like to go out on holiday with three children and to come back with two.'

Robert Murat

'A year in hell' is how friends of Murat describe the experience of the Briton, raised in Portugal, who had been helping the police with translations for the case and suddenly found himself declared a formal suspect barely a week after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

In the intervening months, he, his mother and other relatives in Praia da Luz and the nearby beach village of Brugão have had to come to terms with police questioning. Murat's mother Jenny, 72, says that she, her son and others in the family have tried to stay positive and have kept a daily diary of their ordeal in an effort to help them to cope.

Now, with the police having returned Robert's possessions and agreed to his going to England, she says they are holding out hope that he may soon be released from arguido status. 'When all is said and done,' she said, 'that is still what matters - the fate of this poor little girl.'

The private investigators

Metodo 3 is a Barcelona-based agency that built its reputation on corporate fraud investigations before the McCanns engaged it on a six-month contract last year to follow up reported sightings of the missing girl throughout Europe and in Morocco.

But with its managing director, Francisco Marco Fernández, making increasingly upbeat remarks about the prospects for a breakthrough on finding Madeleine - most controversially, a statement late last year that 'God willing, we hope she will be home by Christmas' - the agency has now agreed that all comments should go through the McCanns' spokesman, Clarence Mitchell.

Metodo 3 remains on a monthly retainer of £8,000, Mitchell says. 'The agency are very good on the ground. They're very passionate and committed to the search for Madeleine.' In fact, he told The Observer, the family's hope is that the Portuguese police will ultimately close their investigation and pass on all the relevant papers to Metodo 3 to reinvigorate the search.

The family friend

Jane Tanner has been haunted by the thought that she could have prevented Madeleine's disappearance. Tanner, 38, was among the seven friends with the McCann parents at the restaurant on the night in question. She had gone back to check on her own children and is certain she saw a man carrying a pyjama-clad child nearby.

Generally, Tanner has avoided making public remarks but, in a recent BBC Panorama, she said: It's important that people know what I saw, because I believe Madeleine was abducted.'
Waarbij het natuurlijk verbazingwekkend blijft hoeveel er niet klopt in dit verhaal van met name Clarence Mitchell. Alleen al dit stukje: "Mitchell said he was not surprised by the inconsistencies in the initial accounts. 'You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile phones, and absolute panic set in when they realised what had happened." Zum kotzen...

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  zondag 6 april 2008 @ 12:37:10 #30
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Natuurlijk, een persbericht van his holyness Clarrie moet toch wel in veelvoud worden geprint, de acties van de Tapas-club vergoeilijkt en er moetbenadrukt worden dat er geen dingen in beslag worden genomen.
Wat een farce, het lijkt er wel op dat hij uit alle macht probeert om alles en iedereen ervan te overtuigen dat er geen vuiltje aan de lucht is en de PJ gewoon alle eindjes aan elkaar moet knopen om een einde te maken aan de verdenkingen, ik moet nog zien wat hier uit komt, ik kan me niet voorstellen dat de Portugezen naar Engeland komen om de McCanns vrij te pleiten, we wachten af.
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Dat kan je wel stellen Kahaarin. Ook een tactiek is om verschillende verklaringen door o.a. Gerry Mcann rondom zijn vermeende partijtje tennis op 3 mei te geven. In de timeline op de BBC-site vandaag:

1840: David Payne checks on Kate and the children, at Gerry's request and sees Madeleine
1900: Gerry finishes playing tennis
2035: Kate and Gerry McCann arrive at the Ocean Club's tapas restaurant

Maar wat staat er in The Times December 16, 2007 in het artikel "Kate and Gerry McCann: Beyond the smears" Let wel: dit artikel is geautoriseerd, dus goedgekeurd...

"Gerry had knocked up at the start of the 4.30pm tennis-drills session, but had decided not to exacerbate an injury to his Achilles tendon, so had dropped out and waited around by the courts until the children came back from the kids’ clubs at 5pm for tea. That had been one of the most enjoyable times of the holiday, all the children together for tea, then the adults playing with them afterwards.

Gerry was in his apartment at 7pm, had a glass of water, then a beer, while the children sat with Kate on the couch having stories with a snack. The children were clearly shattered – the last thing any of them needed was a sedative and, anyway, it was not something the McCanns ever did. They put them to bed after a last story. The twins were asleep virtually the moment they lay down, Madeleine not far behind them.

These days it was rare for Madeleine to wake up at all once she was in bed. If she did, she’d normally wander into her parents’ bed, whether they were there or not. At home in Rothley, sometime earlier, they had begun a star chart for Madeleine staying in her own bed. The chart, still on display in the kitchen, was full of stars. At about 7.30pm, Kate and Gerry showered and changed and sat down to have a quiet glass of the sauvignon blanc. They were first to the table at the restaurant at 8.35 and spent some minutes talking to a couple from Hertfordshire – two more tennis players – at the next table, who were eating with their young children. As they chatted, Gerry thought how lucky he was, his children asleep nearby, he and Kate free to come and enjoy some adult time at the restaurant and not have to sit with their children, as this couple were."

Dus geen partij tennis meer ivm hielblessure en geen melding dat David Payne op verzoek van Gerry nog even had gechecked bij Kate en de kids. En zo zijn er tig verklaringen wát er op 3 mei is gebeurd...

En dat gisteren Clarence Mitchell nog zei dat ze geen horloges en mobieltjes bij zich hadden die avond. "Mitchell said he was not surprised by the inconsistencies in the initial accounts. 'You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile phones, and absolute panic set in when they realised what had happened." In BBC-Panorama (geautoriseerd) zei Jane Tanner nog: "Well if you ask nine people about events of the night you're probably going to get nine slightly different stories, and you're not clock watching." Waaruit men kan afleiden dat ze niet op hun horloges keken maar niet dat niemand horloges droeg. Ook is bekend dat Gerry die avond in de Tapasbar diverse text-berichten heeft vestuurd, met een mobiel natuurlijk. telegraph Het hele jaar door zijn door vrienden, de McCanns en door Clarence Mitchell verschillende verklaringen gegeven voor dezelfde gebeurtenissen, net hoe het uitkomt...

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Een rondje langs een aantal kranten, gelezen op Anorak:
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MADDYWATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann

DAILY TELEGRAPH: “Madeleine McCann police due to arrive in UK”

The Portuguese police are coming.

Portuguese police are due to arrive in Britain today to observe as the friends of Kate and Gerry McCann are interviewed about the night Madeleine went missing.

And Kate and Gerry McCann?

The McCanns will not be in Leicestershire for the duration of the visit by Mr Rebelo and his team. On Wednesday, they travel to Brussels to lobby MEPs for better co-ordination between European countries when a child goes missing.

They will return to Leicestershire on Thursday evening before the Portuguese officers fly home.

THE SUN: “‘Tapas seven’ face police quiz”

Not the Tapas Nine.

The “Tapas Seven” – who were having dinner with Kate and Gerry McCann when Maddie four, vanished – will be interviewed as witnesses by officers from Leicestershire Constabulary.

Portuguese detectives, led by investigation chief Paulo Rebelo, arrive in Britain today and will stay a week.

A spokeswoman for Leicestershire Constabulary said: “Leicestershire Constabulary will be co-ordinating the execution of the request for mutual legal assistance made by the Portuguese authorities. The Portuguese authorities have asked that the contents of the request and the way it is being executed be kept confidential so as not to prejudice their ongoing investigation.”

DAILY MAIL: “Portuguese detectives set to quiz ‘Tapas Seven’ in London about Madeleine ’s disappearance”

Mr Mitchell said it was “pure coincidence” that the McCanns were leaving Britain during the week of the police interviews.

He said: “To say this is a smokescreen is utter rubbish. It is pure co-incidence that police interviews are being conducted at the same time the European Parliament is sitting, and Kate and Gerry are tabling a motion.”

Madeleine McCann: More questions and no answer
(drama Shannon Matthews, stiefoom snijdt polsen door, stiefpa bezit kinderporno, zus en moeder/grootmoeder in het complot, Shannon wil nooit meer naar huis, alle kids in care, Daily Mail + The Sun)

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  maandag 7 april 2008 @ 12:26:32 #33
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Inderdaad Suko, die timeline waarin Gerry beweert dat hij last had van zijn achillespees lijkt me iets te opgepoetst om waar te zijn, het is zeg maar een te mooi alibi.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7331034.stm

Deze tijdlijn lijkt me de goeie, van de BBC

Het bericht (voor het weer weg is.)
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Who are the McCann tapas seven?

By Steve Kingstone
BBC News


As Portuguese police fly to the UK to listen in on interviews with the so-called "Tapas 7", what is known about the people who are key witnesses in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann?



Jane Tanner said she saw a man carrying a small child

The seven friends who dined with Kate and Gerry McCann on the night of Madeleine's disappearance are the central witnesses in this case.

Their evidence has been pored over by the police, and their backgrounds closely scrutinised by journalists and bloggers alike.

None of the seven is a formal suspect or "arguido". and all have cooperated willingly and voluntarily with the investigation. Bound by judicial secrecy laws, most have made no public comment about what they saw.

Their friendship goes back a long way. Four of the group - Matthew Oldfield, Russell O'Brien, David Payne and Fiona Payne - studied medicine together at Leicester University in the early 1990s - the Paynes becoming a couple.

Timeline

Doctors Kate and Gerry McCann moved to Leicestershire in 2000, and quickly became part of the medical social circle.

Three other holidaymakers completed the table at the poolside tapas restaurant on 3 May last year: Rachael Oldfield (married to Matthew), Jane Tanner (partner of Russell O'Brien) and Diane Webster (Fiona Payne's mother).

The couples had travelled to the Algarve from East Midlands and Gatwick airports, together with eight young children.

Following Madeleine's disappearance, the nine adults collectively provided the police with a timeline of the evening.

As far as they were concerned, the timeline was a common sense means of speeding up the investigation; but elements within the Portugal's Policia Judiciaria (investigating police) seem to have interpreted the move as a closing of ranks.

Either way, the timeline is absolutely key to understanding what might have happened to Madeleine.

This is how the group recalled the evening:


1730: Kate and Gerry McCann pick up their three children from afternoon tea at the Ocean Club


1800: Gerry begins a game of tennis with other guests


1840: David Payne checks on Kate and the children, at Gerry's request and sees Madeleine


1900: Gerry finishes playing tennis


2035: Kate and Gerry McCann arrive at the Ocean Club's tapas restaurant


2105: Gerry checks on his children, and sees Madeleine alive and well


2115: Having left the table to check on her own children, Jane Tanner sees a man carrying a child, close to the McCanns' apartment


2130: Matthew Oldfield checks on the McCanns' apartment. Hearing no noise from the children's bedroom, he assumes all is well and leaves without seeing Madeleine


2200: Kate McCann checks on her children. Madeleine is gone.

Key witness

Arguably the most significant witness is Jane Tanner.

She has already given detectives a detailed description of a man she saw, close to the ground floor corner apartment where the McCanns were staying.

She says he was carrying a child, dressed in pinkish pyjamas - the same colour that Madeleine was wearing that evening.

The man has never come forward or been traced by the police, leading the McCanns to conclude that Jane Tanner almost certainly witnessed their daughter being abducted.

Last November, Ms Tanner told the BBC's Panorama programme: "I know what I saw, and I think it's important that people know what I saw - because I believe Madeleine was abducted."



Based on her account, the McCanns produced an artist's impression of the man, in the hope that it might jog the memory of other holidaymakers.

Of the remaining friends, David Payne was the last person - besides Kate and Gerry McCann - to see Madeleine alive that evening, so his recollection of timing is crucial.

Matthew Oldfield was the only group member, beyond Madeleine's parents, to enter the McCanns' apartment during the dinner.

If Jane Tanner did unwittingly see Madeleine's kidnapper, the timeline suggests that the abduction took place before Mr Oldfield made his check.


But not having set foot in the children's bedroom, he cannot be sure of whether the little girl was there or not.

Finally, three of the group have offered significant evidence relating to Robert Murat, the third arguido in the case.

Russell O'Brien, Fiona Payne and Rachael Oldfield all say they saw Mr Murat later that evening, during the frantic search for Madeleine.

Their testimony is directly at odds with his assertion that he was at home with his mother all night. Robert Murat says the McCanns' three friends are, at best, confused; and, at worst, lying. But they, in turn, remain certain of what they saw.


De PJ heeft toch beweerd dat ze die man hadden gesproken?
Als Robert Murat idd op het park was geweest dan had de politie hem wel meer aan de tand gevoeld, wellicht zagen ze iemand anders voor hem aan, volgens Jane Tanner was het toch erg donker? Ik zou iemand die ik niet goed ken niet zo gauw voor 100% zeker kunnen identificeren in het donker.
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  maandag 7 april 2008 @ 17:12:10 #34
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Madeleine police arrive for 'Tapas Seven' interviews

A team of Portuguese police have arrived in Leicestershire to sit in on interviews with friends of Kate and Gerry McCann.
The detectives' flight from Faro landed at East Midlands Airport where they were met by British officers and escorted through a private exit.

They will observe interviews carried out by officers from Leicestershire Constabulary with friends of the McCanns - the so-called Tapas Seven - who were dining with them in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz last year when the McCanns' daughter Madeleine disappeared.

The team, led by Paulo Rebelo, who is heading the Madeleine McCann case, will not actually question the group themselves. A spokeswoman for Leicestershire Constabulary said the group would be interviewed as witnesses and are free to leave at any time. No lawyers will be present.

The McCanns, from Rothley, Leicestershire, will not be questioned in relation to the disappearance of Madeleine.

On Wednesday, they travel to Brussels to lobby MEPs for better co-ordination between European countries when a child goes missing. They will return to Leicestershire on Thursday evening before the Portuguese officers fly home.

There had been speculation that diaries and Madeleine's Cuddle Cat toy could be seized by Portuguese officers, but it is understood that no property will be searched or seized.

The process of interviewing key witnesses will last several weeks, but the Portuguese detectives are believed to be returning home at the end of the week.

It is 11 months since Madeleine disappeared from the holiday resort of Praia da Luz.

Kate, 40, and her husband, 39-year-old Gerry, remain arguidos - formal suspects.
http://www.worksopguardia(...)r-39Tapas.3955153.jp

Nou, ze zijn gearriveerd, het zal mij benieuwen.
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Hoi Kahaarin, wat je voorlaatste post betreft, ik geloof er niks van dat ze Murat die avond hebben gezien, maar het zou heel goed kunnen dat ook meerdere getuigen hem hebben verward met David Payne. De gelijkenis is treffend en in het schemerdonker is een vergissing zo gemaakt. En die man van de sketch, was dat niet degene (wel een pedofiel in het verleden dacht ik) die Metodo 3 zo wat van z'n erf heeft geschoten? Had er overigens niets mee te maken. Afijn, hier de gelijkenis, uit mijn eerdere post op 1 januari:



Ook de Daily Mail kwam daar later op 8 januari mee aanzetten. In het 14.00 uur nieuws van de BBC werd vandaag het verhoor-gebeuren low-key genoemd en dat de McCanns niet zouden worden verhoord omdat ze zelf en hun advocaten bezig zijn met hun eigen getuigen op te roepen. Hoezo Low-key, en niet melden dat ze naar Brussel (Europees parlement) gaan. Je proeft gewoon hoe de media hiermee worstelt. Hoe moeten we iets melden, en kunnnen we wel iets melden, en wat dan....etc etc. We wachten het maar weer af.

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  maandag 7 april 2008 @ 18:47:07 #36
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Op maandag 7 april 2008 17:46 schreef Suko het volgende:
Hoi Kahaarin, wat je voorlaatste post betreft, ik geloof er niks van dat ze Murat die avond hebben gezien, maar het zou heel goed kunnen dat ook meerdere getuigen hem hebben verward met David Payne. De gelijkenis is treffend en in het schemerdonker is een vergissing zo gemaakt. En die man van de sketch, was dat niet degene (wel een pedofiel in het verleden dacht ik) die Metodo 3 zo wat van z'n erf heeft geschoten? Had er overigens niets mee te maken. Afijn, hier de gelijkenis, uit mijn eerdere post op 1 januari:

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Ook de Daily Mail kwam daar later op 8 januari mee aanzetten. In het 14.00 uur nieuws van de BBC werd vandaag het verhoor-gebeuren low-key genoemd en dat de McCanns niet zouden worden verhoord omdat ze zelf en hun advocaten bezig zijn met hun eigen getuigen op te roepen. Hoezo Low-key, en niet melden dat ze naar Brussel (Europees parlement) gaan. Je proeft gewoon hoe de media hiermee worstelt. Hoe moeten we iets melden, en kunnnen we wel iets melden, en wat dan....etc etc. We wachten het maar weer af.

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David Payne of een ander, ze hebben de bewuste avond niet met hem gesproken toch? Het zou dus iedereen kunnen zijn geweest die naast het app stond te roken, dat was het verhaal toch? Dat ze Murat hebben gezien terwijl hij zich achteraf hield en stond te roken? Nou sorry hoor, als er iemand in de schaduw staat dan kun je 's nachts echt niet zeker weten wie dat nu is geweest, pas nadat hij arguido werd kwamen ze daar mee naar buiten, volgens mij gewoon uit de duim gezogen.

Precies, die man was toch wel gehoord? Raar dat ze dat weer oplepelen, ach ja, Jane moet toch geloofwaardig blijven.

Idd, blijven ademen en gewoon rustig afwachten.
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Wat mij betreft hebben ze die rokend man gewoon verzonnen....zoals met zoveel 'feitjes.' Even een herstel, die man die Metodo 3 zowat van het erf afschoot wat een verdachte in de zaak Mari Luz. Deze onderstaande E-fit is nu nog steeds DE beschrijving van Bundleman, is natuurlijk Kate (Gerry staat er voor de lol bij) ... "I'm saying that from experience you can think you are making something up but actually what happens is you start putting things in that are subcoonsiously in your mind -- i'll give you an example, song writing - sometimes you dont even realise youve used a lyric from an actual song - i think thats whats happened here, theyve tried to make up a sketch but their subconcious probably was thinking of kate and kate has appeared in the sketch." Eerdere post.


Solly, moest ff...

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En verder kan ik het niet laten een artikel te plaatsen (gelukkig snel opgeslagen door Joana Morias, links en opmerkingen tussen haakjes in het artikel zijn ook van Joana) die héél even in de Daliy Express stond, de krant (samen met andere tabloids uit de Express-group) die onlangs nog een bedrag (£550k) aan de McCanns heeft betaald wegens "a series of "wildly and grossly defamatory" articles about Madeleine."
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06/04/08 McCanns Case: 60 witnesses will be interrogated by Police Up to 60 witnesses will be questioned by police in Britain over Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

A series of intensive interviews will start this week after a three-man team of senior Portuguese detectives fly into Leicestershire tomorrow. The trio, led by Paulo Rebelo, the chief investigator in the case, will begin by supervising the quizzing of key witness Jane Tanner.

Ms Tanner, 36, claimed she saw a man carrying a girl from the McCanns’ holiday apartment in the Algarve at about 9.15pm. Yet another witness says he was outside the flat in Praia da Luz at the same time but did not see her or the mystery man. [Jeremy Wilkins, married with Bridget O'Donnel]

After Ms Tanner’s interview, British police, supervised by the Portuguese, will spend three days speaking to remaining members of the Tapas Seven who were dining with Madeleine’s parents when she vanished.

No lawyers will be present and friends of the group stressed they are meeting the police voluntarily. They have been warned to expect lengthy bouts of questioning. The group were all dining with Kate and Gerry McCann on the night their daughter vanished on May 3 last year in Praia da Luz.

Ms Tanner’s partner Dr Russell O’Brien, 36, from Exeter, was away from the group tending to his sick daughter in the period when Madeleine was snatched. Dr Matthew Oldfield, 37, a hospital consultant from London, and his wife Rachel, 36, a recruitment consultant, were also at the tapas restaurant. David Payne, 41, a cardiovascular researcher from Leicester, was the final person, apart from the McCann family, to see Madeleine. His wife, Fiona, 34, and her mother, Diane Webster, will also be questioned by police in Leicester.

Then officers will switch their attention to three separate bands of witnesses who have been singled out by Gerry and Kate McCann as vital.

As arguidos, or official suspects, the couple have the right to demand that certain individuals be seen by police if they are believed to hold relevant information. Despite plans for the Portuguese investigators to return home on Friday, British police will mount a full-scale operation in which more than 50 more witnesses will be interviewed. These will include other guests who were staying at the resort, Ocean Club apartments staff and holidaymakers staying nearby.

Relatives of the McCanns who visited the Algarve in the weeks after she went missing are understood to be on the list, as are their current spokesman Clarence Mitchell and his predecessor Justine McGuiness. [So, apparently Clarence is not going to Brussels after all.]

Two sisters who were puzzled by a blond pair of men in their 30s acting strangely at the resort hours before Madeleine went missing are on the interview list. Jayne Jensen, 54, and Annie Wiltshire, 58, said one of the men standing outside the patio doors started to walk down a flight of steps. [Wasn't that Murat they tried to frame?]

But when he was seen by divorced mum-of-two Annie, from Maidstone, he retraced his steps and began talking to his friend. Yesterday the McCanns made an emotional plea to Portuguese detectives to clear them in time for the one year anniversary of their daughter’s disappearance.

Madeleine’s parents, both 39, hope the unprecedented move to question their friends in Britain will mark an end to their seven-month ordeal as suspects. [40 years old not 39] The couple are desperate to return to Praia da Luz to mark the tragic date with a renewed appeal for information which could unlock the mystery surrounding what happened. [???]

Clarence Mitchell confirmed that Kate and Gerry want detectives to lift their arguido status and reveal any evidence they hold. [Excuse me, who the hell are they to demand the PJ to lift their arguido status??]

He said they will not return to the Algarve while they are still suspects. [First they wouldn't leave, they would cooperate with the PJ, then they left, didn't cooperate with the PJ, then they would come back to Portugal inspite of their lawyers advices, now they won't come back...] He said: “Kate and Gerry want to return to Praia da Luz to reinvigorate our campaign to find Madeleine.” [...reinvigorate our campaign for the fund, Mr. Mitchell...??]

Source: Express (The article you are looking for does not exist. It may have been deleted.)
En in dit artikel vraagt Joana Morais zich ook al af hoe het komt dat Mitchell stelt dat niemand die avond horloges droeg en er geen mobieltjes meegenomen waren...iets wat ik gisteren&vandaag ook al aanhaalde. Hilarisch artikel en zo pijnlijk waar van Joana.

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  dinsdag 8 april 2008 @ 08:58:41 #39
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Madeleine interviews set to begin

Kate and Gerry McCann have continued their search for Madeleine
UK police are to begin reinterviewing seven friends of Madeleine McCann's parents who were with them on the night of her disappearance.

Portuguese officers investigating the case have travelled to the UK to attend the interviews, to be carried out by Leicestershire Police.

Madeleine, of Rothley, Leicestershire, disappeared from a holiday apartment in the Algarve on 3 May last year.

Her parents, who deny any wrongdoing, remain arguidos or formal suspects.

They are not facing fresh questioning on Tuesday.

Indirect contact

The McCann's spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, said the interviews were intended to eliminate inconsistencies in the Portuguese police's timeline of events.

BBC correspondent Steve Kingstone says Kate and Gerry McCann are hoping this phase of the investigation could lead to the lifting of their arguido status.

THE WITNESSES
Matthew Oldfield
Rachael Oldfield (married to Matthew)
Russell O'Brien
Jane Tanner (partner of Russell O'Brien)
David Payne
Fiona Payne (married to David)
Diane Webster (Fiona Payne's mother)

The questioning is expected to start at Leicestershire Police's force headquarters in Enderby.

The Portuguese police, led by Paulo Rebelo, a senior detective from Lisbon who took over control of the case in October, will sit in on the interviews but will not question the witnesses directly.

They have submitted questions in advance through the Home Office - which will be put by detectives from Leicestershire Police.

None of the so-called "Tapas Seven" will have lawyers with them as they are being interviewed only as witnesses, not suspects.

Further interviews

It is thought the first to be questioned will be Jane Tanner, 37, who has already told the police she saw a man that evening carrying a child close to the family's apartment.

The interviews are expected to be completed by the end of the week.

Madeleine was last seen days before her fourth birthday, during a family holiday in the resort of Praia da Luz.

Police interviews are also planned with relatives and advisers who were with the McCanns during the early days of the investigation.

Separately, lawyers for the couple have requested that two dozen other witnesses be interviewed, including staff from the Ocean Club complex and several British holidaymakers.

Hier even iedereen op een rijtje, gewoon een reminder.

Joanna heeft gewoon gelijk, wie denken de McCanns dat ze zijn met hun eisenpakket, ze hebben zelf dit koekje gebakken, eerst maar eens alles ophelderen voor ze kunnen piepen.
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  dinsdag 8 april 2008 @ 13:13:21 #40
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Friends 'accused Shannon's mother of lying' - 'Aunt' tried to get Madeleine cash



Karen Matthews

SHANNON Matthews's mother was arrested after she broke down in front of friends and told them crucial new information which she had kept from police, it can be revealed today.
The Yorkshire Post understands that when friends of Karen Matthews confronted her on Sunday and accused her of lying to detectives, she made important disclosures to them which she has not told investigators – despite weeks of detailed and lengthy questioning.

It is now believed detectives are investigating whether Mrs Matthews had any contact with Michael Donovan, the man accused of abducting her nine-year-old daughter, in the period before her disappearance.

Detectives investigating the alleged abduction of Shannon began questioning her mother yesterday after she was arrested on suspicion of attempting to pervert the course of justice. Mrs Matthews, 32, was arrested on Sunday night.

She was expected to remain in custody overnight as detectives were granted a superintendent's extension to question her.

Police had until this morning to decide whether to charge her or ask magistrates for more time.

Meanwhile, it has emerged that someone claiming to be from Shannon's family asked for money from the fund set up to help find missing Madeleine McCann.

As police searched for the missing nine-year-old, someone claiming to be her aunt asked for money from the fund.

The McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "She didn't seem to understand why we couldn't just send a large wad of cash. I must admit I found it a bit odd,"

"The fund directors considered helping the search as a gesture of goodwill. But I was concerned about the haphazard method of approach and suggested we didn't get involved."


Today's developments are the latest twists in the investigation which has now seen four family members arrested in connection with Shannon's disappearance on February 19.

A fifth person, Shannon's stepfather Craig Meehan, 22, is in custody for his own safety after appearing in court accused of possessing indecent images of children.

It has been revealed that Donovan, who has been charged with Shannon's kidnap and imprisonment, slit his wrists while on remand at Armley jail, Leeds. He was taken to hospital before being returned to prison.

Shannon went missing in Dewsbury on February 19 and was discovered in the base of a bed at Donovan's flat in Lidgate Gardens, Batley Carr, after a 24-day police search. Donovan, 39, is Meehan's uncle.

Meehan's sister, Amanda Hyett, who lives next door to Shannon's mother and stepfather in Moorside Road, and his mother, Alice, were both arrested in connection with the alleged abduction.

The women were arrested on Thursday, the 25-year-old on suspicion of assisting an offender, and the 49-year-old on suspicion of attempting to pervert the course of justice. They were bailed pending further inquiries.

Nou ja zeg, dat is ook wat, een slaatje slaan uit de vermissing van je kind, of was ze gewoon weggestopt om te kunnen cashen?

http://www.yorkshirepost.(...)mother-of.3953304.jp
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  dinsdag 8 april 2008 @ 13:20:20 #41
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'Tapas Seven' quizzed on Madeleine

Members of the so-called Tapas Seven are being reinterviewed by British police with Portuguese detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Jane Tanner, a friend of parents Gerry and Kate McCann, was understood to be the first to be quizzed about the night four-year-old Madeleine vanished on May 3 last year.

She says she saw a man walking away from the McCanns' apartment in Praia da Luz carrying a child.

Leicestershire Police confirmed that witnesses had arrived at police force headquarters in Enderby.

They will be questioned by British officers in the presence of three Portuguese detectives.

A police spokeswoman said: "We can confirm that Portuguese officers and witnesses are on site."
http://www.ananova.com/ne(...)nu=news.topheadlines

Nou, eens zien wat dat wordt, er zit schot in dus.
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  dinsdag 8 april 2008 @ 15:09:47 #42
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McCanns Called Back To Portugal
Updated:14:03, Tuesday April 08, 2008

The parents of Madeleine McCann have been asked to return to Portugal for a reconstruction of her alleged abduction, Sky sources understand.


Gerry and Kate McCann

Sky's crime correspondent Martin Brunt said Portuguese authorities were requesting that Kate and Gerry McCann go back for a "Crimewatch-style" event.

But it is feared Mrs McCann, whose four-year-old daughter vanished in May last year, could find such a trip too traumatic, Brunt said.

He added the reconstruction could involve friends - dubbed the Tapas Seven - who were dining with the McCanns while the child was allegedly snatched from the family's holiday home in a Portuguese resort.

The parents' spokesman Clarence Mitchell told Sky News: "Kate and Gerry very much welcome the idea of any reconstruction that is televised... that could generate important new calls and new leads in the search for Madeleine."

Both Kate and Gerry McCann are still official suspects in the Portuguese police's probe into the girl's disappearance.

Mr Mitchell said: "(The McCanns) and their friends want to resolve this - they want to make it clear to the police that there is no evidence to implicate Kate and Gerry and that they should be eliminated from the inquiry.

"The family will do whatever is necessary to assist the police and this particular (reconstruction) proposal is just that."

The news comes as British officers began questioning members of the Tapas Seven.

Three Portuguese detectives, led by Paulo Rebelo, are sitting in on the interviews, believed to be with friends Jane Tanner and her partner Russell O'Brien, at Leicestershire Constabulary's headquarters in Enderby.
http://news.sky.com/skyne(...)312154,00.html?f=rss

Zo dan, dat is een ontwikkeling, nu maar eens kijken of de dingen echt zo zijn gegaan als ze zelf hebben beweerd, het lijkt me dat als ze de waarheid hebben gesproken ze geen problemen kunnen hebben met het naspelen van de avond, als ze hebben zitten duimzuigen dan krijgen ze problemen met hun collectief geheugen, nadoen wat je een jaar geleden hebt verzonnen valt niet mee.
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Zo he, wat een nieuws Kahaarin! Ik zit ff wat krappies in tijd overdag. Tuurlijk is het een scam van die familie Matthews maar om het zo breed uit te meten vind ik een beetje misselijk. Wat hebben de McConns al allemaal met de poet (ook veelal andermans geld) gedaan, dat wordt niet verklaard, én het leidt af van de real issue, tijd om de 'Inquisitie' te tonen.

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Portuguese detective Paulo Rebelo (right) sat in on the questioning of members of the so-called Tapas Seven in Leicestershire today

Het zal vast wel z'n nut hebben de hele reut te laten afreizen naar de plek des onheils, naar Praia da Luz, een schouw noemen we dat geloof ik. Dat zal ze echt niet lekker zitten, áls dat doorgaat natuurlijk...

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Oh oh, Clarence Mitchell was ff in het 19.00u journaal van de BBC. Op de vraag wat hij er van vond dat die zooi mogelijk naar Portugal 'moet' antwoorde hij, met een ongelofelijke zelfgenoegzame smile, dat er wordt getwijfeld (natuurlijk ook door hun advocaten) aan het nut daarvan. Dat verzoek hadden ze bijna een jaar geleden aldaar al geopperd maar toen werd dat geweigerd. Nog afgezien of dat verzoek op waarheid berust, tenslotte spint/liegt Mitchell de hele boel bij elkaar, dan is het terecht dat de PJ dat toen niet wilde, het onderzoek toen nav deze getuigenissen was volop gaande en om verdere bewijzen te verkrijgen heeft heel veeeeeeeeeeeeel tijd gekost, 'dankzij' de 'medewerking' aan Britse kant > (ook van de overheid)....

De Telegraph schrijft:
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"Gerry and Kate McCann have been asked to return to Portugal to take part in a large-scale re-enactment of the hours surrounding Madeleine's disappearance.

The McCanns' lawyers have met the Portuguese police authorities who requested that they return to the resort of Praia da Luz where their daughter disappeared almost a year ago. Today they were locked in negotiations about what the re-enactment should contain and what purpose it would serve.

While the couple are willing to help keep the case in the public eye, they are concerned about going back to Praia da Luz while their status as official suspects remains, and are seeking assurances that any re-construction is used to generate new leads in the hunt for their missing daughter.

Friends of the couple said that Mrs McCann may be too traumatised to take part. One said: "There has been no apparent thought given to her emotional position in taking part in such a re-enactment."

A family source said the McCanns had not ruled out taking part and the issue was under discussion. He said: "There are loads of questions still to be addressed such as whether the twins, Sean and Amelie, will be required and what the actual re-enactment will be used for.

"No-one knows whether it will be done behind closed doors or whether it will be a Crimewatch-style reconstruction used to try and generate new leads. All these types of things need to be ironed out before a decision is made." Any reconstruction would be an unusual move for the Portuguese police as it is not a tactic normally used in investigations.

The BBC show Crimewatch approached the Portuguese authorities shortly after Madeleine, 4, disappeared last May, but were turned down and told it was not normal practise. A couple of possible dates have been discussed, the earliest so far being in mid-May. It won't take place in or around the first anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance on May 3.
Je leest in bovenstaande artikel al een aantal argumenten waarop die reconstructie in Praia da Luz mogelijk niet doorgaat...het zal mij verbazen als de PJ dát voor elkaar krijgt! Oveirgens zitten die Praia da Luz-jes daar ook niet op te wachten, die ramptoerisiten, dus weer negatieve publiciteit, kunnen ze missen al kiespijn, maar ja, wat moet, dat moet.

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[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door Suko op 08-04-2008 21:10:06 (Typo's wegens leesbril zoek!) ]
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Jane and Russell "grilled" by the PJ: Witnesses with bad memory 24horas

Jane Tanner did not even manage to repeat the description of the man she claimed to have seen with a child in the arms in that fateful night

Text by Carlos Tomas, in Leicester
(Thanks to Joana Morais for translation)

Jane Tanner, one of the main witnesses in the process of Maddie's disappearance, yesterday again, gave a different account from the previous ones. Questioned by the PJ team that was sent to England, Jane did not manage to explain how, when and where she saw the supposed kidnapper - the same that, in November, she described in a very detailed way for the making of a sketched portrait of the suspect. Yesterday, Tanner could not even tell if she went to check on her own children in the bedroom at the Ocean Club. The sentence "I do not remember", ended up being her most frequent answer. "She entered very calm and even smiled. When she went out she was trembling and her face was very red. She did not speak with anyone", described to 24horas a source at the headquarters from the Leicester police.

We were able to establish that Tanner was confronted with the fact that, in her first statement, back in May, she said nothing relevant, later said that she saw a man carrying, which seemed to her, a child in his arms and, in November, she described the alleged kidnapper. The answer was: “I do not remember it well anymore” .The investigators even asked Jane to give again the description of the person, but the witness gave different indications from those that were used to make the drawing that ran throughout the world.

Also heard yesterday was Russell O'Brien, Jane's husband, who says he had gone to see the children at the same time that Maddie disappeared. He said, back in May, that the children had vomited, but the management of the resort Ocean Club assured that, on that night, nobody asked for any change of bed sheets. Questioned, Russell could not explain the discrepancy.

Today there will be cross-examinations to David and Fiona Payne, who organized the holidays of the group in the Praia da Luz.
En verder heeft Kate McCann moeite terug te keren naar Praia da Luz (ivm herinneringen qua Madeleine) vanwege de mogelijk komende reconstrucitie, maar die reactie was natuurlijk te voorzien...Mother 'upset' at Madeleine request > yorkshirepost.co.uk Natuurlijk zijn de McConns bang om terug te keren...als nog steeds formeel verdachten. Als ze terug gaan zullen de adcovaten IMO bedwingen dat ze weer vrij naar de UK terug kunnen keren, no doubt about that! En verder is die hotline, die ze zeggen te introduceren allang al in gebruik. Joana Morais legt uit:
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09/04/08
116000, the single EU hotline number for missing children is NOT a McCann Idea

The TRUTH

116000, the single EU hotline number for missing children

IP/07/188
Brussels, 15 February 2007

The Commission has adopted today the Decision reserving the 116000 telephone number in all Member States as a hotline for reporting missing children. Other common Europe-wide telephone services of social value starting with 116 may soon be reserved following this Decision.
"I am delighted that today the first major step towards a single EU hotline number for missing children has been taken," said EU Telecom Commissioner Viviane Reding. "I urge Member States to act now to make this a reality, so that Europe's parents will soon know that they are able to call this number and get immediate help."

The first number to be reserved Europe-wide is 116000. All other numbers beginning with 116 are also reserved for social services in Europe and this Decision is binding on Member States. These freephone numbers and the services they provide will benefit citizens by helping those in difficulty, or by contributing to their well-being or safety. Meer, zie de gegeven links.
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  woensdag 9 april 2008 @ 13:27:24 #46
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Op woensdag 9 april 2008 12:10 schreef Suko het volgende:
Met een potje zout lezen svp maar toch...
[..]

En verder heeft Kate McCann moeite terug te keren naar Praia da Luz (ivm herinneringen qua Madeleine) vanwege de mogelijk komende reconstrucitie, maar die reactie was natuurlijk te voorzien...Mother 'upset' at Madeleine request > yorkshirepost.co.uk Natuurlijk zijn de McConns bang om terug te keren...als nog steeds formeel verdachten. Als ze terug gaan zullen de adcovaten IMO bedwingen dat ze weer vrij naar de UK terug kunnen keren, no doubt about that! En verder is die hotline, die ze zeggen te introduceren allang al in gebruik. Joana Morais legt uit:
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Goed dat ik nog even keek, dit staat nu bij mij ook onder [CTRL] C.

Crossposten kunnen we nog.

Ik kan me voorstellen daat Jane het warm had, hoe vaak die haar statement niet heeft aangpast.

Als de McCanns het kunnen opbrengen een docu over Maddy te maken dan zouden ze ook dapper genoeg moeten zijn voor een reconstructie, alles om de ware toedracht te achterhalen toch?
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  woensdag 9 april 2008 @ 13:34:36 #47
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DAILY STAR (front page): “MADDIE MUM TO RELIVE SNATCH AGONY”



After the generous donation to the McCanns’ fighting fund, the Star now keeps missing Madeleine in the public eye.

DAILY EXPRESS (front page): “MADLEINE…”

She’s back…

“…POLICE WANT PARENTS BACK IN PORTUGAL”

Express gets Madeleine back on front page. Well, it does have a libel bill to pay…

THE HERALD: “Plan to reconstruct Madeleine’s disappearance ‘upsets’ Kate McCann”

Kate McCann is “upset” at a decision by police to invite her and Gerry back to Portugal to take part in a reconstruction, a friend of the couple said yesterday.

Portuguese officers have invited the McCanns to participate in a reconstruction of the night Madeleine vanished from their holiday apartment in the resort of Praia da Luz on May 3 last year…

The friend added: “The family will consider it. If it’s felt there’s a chance of it helping to find Madeleine then, of course, they will do it. But given it is a year on, you have to wonder about the value of it.”

But everything must be done to find Madeleine. And what of the facts?

Kate, 40, a GP, has not returned to work and has remained at home in Rothley, Leicestershire, since her daughter disappeared. Gerry, 39, has returned to work as a heart surgeon.

Such are the facts. And the reconstruction?

Says Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns’ spokesman: “However, Kate and Gerry would very much welcome a Crimewatch-style reconstruction which is broadcast for millions of people to see and could generate important new leads and fresh information.”

THE TIMES: “New anguish for Gerry and Kate McCann over police tactic”

Says Clarence Mitchell: “It’s untrue to say that Kate and Gerry have been called back or summoned back.”

Robert Murat, the other official suspect in the case, will take part in the reconstruction if he is asked to.

THE INDEPENDENT: “Portuguese police want McCanns to return”

The four-year-old’s parents, family friends and other holiday-makers are required to return next month to the Ocean Club in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz where they were dining at a tapas bar on 3 May.

After reporting the disappearance at about 10pm that night, Mr and Mrs McCann initially remained in the resort but have not travelled again to Portugal since returning to Britain after being named as arguidos – official suspects – on 7 September.

THE GUARDIAN: “McCanns ponder return to Praia da Luz”

Kate and Gerry McCann are considering returning to Portugal to stage a reconstruction of the events surrounding the disappearance of their daughter, it has emerged.

So the McCanns will return to Portugal, to help the police?

Clarence Mitchell: “However, it was ‘very unlikely’ that they would agree to return to Portugal while they were still under investigation, he said.

THE SCOTSMAN: “McCanns set up hotline for abductions”

The parents of missing four-year-old Madeleine McCann are setting up a dedicated information hotline that will be available across Europe for when police suspect a child has been abducted. Kate and Gerry McCann are believed to have already reserved the number – 116 000.
http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/182833.html

Het rondje Anorak, lang geleden dat er verschillende invalshoeken waren, CM had een off-day?
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  woensdag 9 april 2008 @ 14:23:00 #48
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Ouders Madeleine McCann in Europees Parlement
09-04-2008 14:13
BRUSSEL (ANP) – De ouders van de verdwenen Britse peuter Madeleine McCann komen donderdag naar het Europees Parlement. Ze praten met europarlementariërs over plannen voor een Europees alarmsysteem voor ontvoerde kinderen.

Maddy McCann verdween vorig jaar mei tijdens een vakantie in Portugal. Het meisje was toen drie jaar. Haar ouders Gerry en Kate hebben sindsdien een internationale campagne opgezet om het meisje terug te vinden.

De ouders zijn zelf sinds enige tijd ook verdachte in de zaak. Ze overwegen binnenkort terug te gaan naar de Algarve om op verzoek van de Portugese politie mee te werken aan een reconstructie van de avond van de verdwijning van het meisje.
Voor de volledigheid.

http://www.refdag.nl/arti(...)opees+Parlement.html
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  woensdag 9 april 2008 @ 17:51:10 #49
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Madeleine McCann case
A list of the key events in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann on Thursday May 3 at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz
James Sturcke and Angela Balakrishnan guardian.co.uk, Wednesday April 9 2008 Article historyAbout this articleClose This article was first published on guardian.co.uk on Wednesday April 09 2008. It was last updated at 16:26 on April 09 2008.Thursday May 3 2007: Madeleine disappears from a holiday apartment at the Ocean Club resort in the Algarve village of Praia da Luz, while her parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, dine with friends at a nearby tapas restaurant.

Friday May 4: The McCanns make an emotional plea for Madeleine's safe return, directly appealing to their daughter's abductors and speaking of their "anguish and despair".

Saturday May 5: Madeleine's aunt, Philomena McCann, criticises the Portuguese police, claiming they are playing down her disappearance and are being "uncommunicative". Detectives say they believe she was abducted and is still alive and in Portugal. They also say they have a sketch of a suspect.

Wednesday May 9: A Norwegian tourist, Marie Olli, says she believes she saw Madeleine at a Moroccan petrol station asking a man: "Can I see mummy soon?" On the same day, a British man reports seeing a girl matching her description near the Ibis hotel in Marrakesh.

Monday May 14: Police launch a search at the Portuguese home of a British expatriate, Robert Murat, 100 yards from where Madeleine disappeared. He is questioned, but not formally arrested.

Tuesday May 15: Police class Murat as an "arguido", or someone who has not been arrested or charged but is being treated by police as more than a witness. He claims he is being made a scapegoat in the investigation.

Saturday May 12: The McCanns mark Madeleine's fourth birthday by calling for people to redouble their efforts to find her.

Thursday May 24: Madeleine's family release what is believed to be the last photograph taken of her before she disappeared.

Friday May 25: In their first interviews, the McCanns say the "guilt" of not being with Madeleine will never leave them. After pressure from the McCanns, their legal team and the British government, police release a description of the man seen carrying a child on the night of Madeleine's disappearance. The man is described as white, approximately 35 to 40 years old, of medium build and 5ft 10ins tall. He was wearing a dark jacket, light beige trousers and dark shoes.

Wednesday June 6: Madeleine's parents deny any involvement in her abduction when questioned by a German journalist at a press conference in Berlin.

Saturday June 16: A British couple report seeing a small blonde girl in the Maltese capital, Valletta. A full-scale investigation is launched in the wake of a number of other possible sightings.

Sunday June 17: Portuguese police say Madeleine's friends and family may have unwittingly destroyed vital evidence in the first few hours after her presumed abduction, during their search for her. Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa says their well-meaning actions could prove "fatal" for the investigation.

Thursday June 28: Spanish police arrest an Italian man and a Portuguese woman suspected of trying to extort money from Madeleine's parents by offering them information about the missing girl.

Friday July 6: Dutch police reveal they have arrested a man in Eindhoven suspected of attempting to defraud Gerry and Kate McCann by demanding ¤2m (£1.35m) for information on her whereabouts.

Friday August 3: Details emerge of a possible sighting of Madeleine in Belgium. A child therapist says she is "100% sure" she saw the girl at a restaurant in the Flemish town of Tongeren, near the Dutch border, on July 28. The witness says the girl was with a couple - a Dutch man and an English-speaking woman - who were acting strangely and not like "normal parents".

Saturday August 4: Police launch a second search of Robert Murat's house. No new evidence is found.

Monday August 6: A Portuguese newspaper reports that British sniffer dogs have found traces of blood on a wall in the apartment where Madeleine went missing. Detectives now believe it is most likely that Madeleine is dead, having been killed accidentally, a Portuguese paper, the Jornal de Noticias, claims.

Thursday August 9: Murat's lawyer criticises the McCanns' "strange" behaviour in leaving Madeleine alone on the night she vanished. Francisco Pagarete also claims people in Praia da Luz want "these bloody McCanns" to return home. The McCanns insist they will not be "bullied" into leaving Portugal.

Saturday August 11: On the 100th day of Madeleine's disappearance, police acknowledge publicly for the first time that Madeleine could be dead. Sousa tells the BBC that new evidence has given "intensity" to the theory that she was killed. He says the parents are not considered suspects.

Sunday August 12: Kate McCann tells Woman's Own magazine that she would rather know her daughter was dead than live in limbo forever.

Wednesday August 15: Blood traces found in the bedroom where Madeleine was sleeping the night she was snatched were not hers, the Times reports. Forensic results show the blood came from a man, it adds.

Tuesday August 21: Two women report seeing a youngster matching Madeleine's description with a man at a petrol station near Cartagena, in the south-east of Spain.

Saturday August 25: Gerry McCann says he will be returning to work but insists his daughter may still be alive.

Friday August 31: The McCanns are to launch a libel action against a Portuguese newspaper that claimed police believe they killed their daughter, it emerges. The action will be against the Tal & Qual paper, based in Oporto.

Thursday September 6: Kate McCann arrives at a Portuguese police station to face further questioning by detectives.

Friday September 7: Kate McCann emerges from more than 10 hours of questioning. Later she is formally declared an arguido. Gerry McCann writes on his blog that the suggestion his wife was involved in Madeleine's disappearance is ludicrous.

Saturday September 8: Gerry McCann is also given arguido status after further police questioning.

Sunday September 9: The McCanns return to their home in Rothley, Leicestershire, with their twins, Sean and Amelie.

Monday September 10: Portuguese police sources suggest that DNA tests prove Madeleine's body had been in the boot of a car hired by her parents 25 days after she disappeared. Some DNA experts doubt the claims. The McCanns hire lawyers, including an extradition expert, from the London firm Kingsley Napley.

Tuesday September 11: A dossier outlining the police case against the McCanns is passed to the local prosecutor, Joao Cunha de Magalhaes, who then asks a judge to assess the information.

Sunday September 16: Sir Richard Branson reveals he is giving £100,000 to help cover the McCanns' legal costs.

Tuesday September 18: Clarence Mitchell, a former BBC reporter, confirms he has resigned as the head of the government's media monitoring unit to become the spokesman for the McCann family. His salary is paid by a Cheshire businessman, Brian Kennedy.

Wednesday September 19: The Evora district attorney general, Luis Bilro Verao, rules there is not enough evidence to justify further questioning of the McCanns about the disappearance of their daughter.

Tuesday September 26: The McCanns express caution after the publication of a photograph of a woman carrying a girl bearing a resemblance to their daughter. The picture was taken in northern Morocco by a Spanish tourist on August 31.

Thursday October 4: The second in command in the Portuguese inquiry, Chief Inspector Tavares Almeida, requests an extended leave of absence. The news comes two days after the police chief, Goncalo Amaral, was removed from the case and demoted for criticising British police involvement in the investigation.

Monday October 8: Paulo Rebelo, a deputy national director in the Portuguese police, is placed in charge of the investigation. It emerges that Almeida is among three officers being investigated over allegations of torture in a seven-year-old case. Amaral is also under investigation, accused of concealing evidence relating to an alleged beating of the mother of another disappeared child.

Thursday October 25: The McCanns hire a Spanish detective agency to run a 24-hour confidential telephone line in the hope that new information may yet be forthcoming. It is targeted at Spain, Portugal and Morocco, countries they believe may hold leads about Madeleine.

Tuesday October 30: The McCanns use part of the £1m fund set up to help find Madeleine to make two mortgage payments on their home in Leicestershire.

Thursday November 1: Gerry McCann returns to work, almost six months after his daughter went missing.

Friday November 16: Jane Tanner, one of the McCann family's closest friends and part of the so-called Tapas Seven, says she saw a man carrying a sleeping child away from the holiday apartments 45 minutes before Kate McCann discovered her daughter was missing.

Thursday November 29: Portuguese forensic experts meet their British counterparts to discuss DNA samples taken in the inquiry.

Tuesday January 8 2008: Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns' spokesman, says the family spoke to the entertainment and media company IMG before Christmas about turning the story of Madeleine's disappearance into a film. The talks were held amid concern that £1.2m fund dedicated to finding the four-year-old was rapidly running out. Gerry McCann says nothing was agreed to.

Sunday February 3: A Portuguese police chief, Alípio Ribeiro, says detectives were too hasty in making the McCanns suspects

Sunday February 10: Portuguese police say they have no evidence against the couple.

Wednesday February 13: Portuguese authorities say the search for Madeleine is winding down, more than nine months after she vanished.

Thursday March 13: The Daily Express scales back its Madeleine coverage after the threat of legal action from the McCanns over what their spokesman describes as a series of "wildly and grossly defamatory" articles.

Wednesday March 19: The Express and the Daily Star carry unprecedented front-page apologies for publishing more than 100 articles on the disappearance of Madeleine, some of which suggested her parents were involved in her death. The papers pay £550,000 in damages.

Monday April 7: Portuguese police, headed by Rebelo, arrive in the UK to be present as Leicestershire Constabulary officers begin interviewing the Tapas Seven.

Tuesday April 8: The McCanns are reported to be considering returning to Portugal to stage a reconstruction of the events surrounding the disappearance of their daughter.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/sep/26/ukcrime.madeleinemccann?gusrc=rss&feed=uknews
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Waarbij The Guardian maar even vergeet dat in januari diverse kranten melden dat: "Blood found in a car hired by her parents weeks after she disappeared definitely came from the British girl, it was reported yesterday. The Portuguese newspaper Correio da Manha cited police sources as saying new tests on blood found in the hire car conclusively showed it was Madeleine's. "The definitive result of the tests leave no doubts for the Policia Judiciaria. The blood found in the McCanns' car is that of Madeleine as well as those samples detected in the flat," the paper said." Bron

Opmerkelijk inderdaad dat diverse kranten de reconstructie verschillend omschrijven. "McCanns are required to" + "McCanns ponder return to" + "POLICE WANT PARENTS BACK"+ McCanns will return to Portugal, to help the police? Allemaal een andere invalshoek. IMO is dat onderdeel van de Mitchell-techniek. Verdeel/verwar en heers. Want kennelijk heeft hij nog steeds de zekerheid dat geen enkele journo de moeite neemt (of kan nemen) de echte feiten te beschrijven. Geen lezer weet hoe het echt zit, men leest dit en dan weer dat, wat is waar en wat niet, of zit het ergens verstopt en lezen wij er over heen, ook een spin-techniek.

En over die European telephone number=hotline-actie. Ook deze bron (net zoals ik eerder vanmorgen heb gepost qua Joana Morais) vermeld dat de McCanns: "This type of international awareness campaigns have already been organised, for instance, for the International Day of Missing Children, for which one set of graphical material was used in 2005 by 11 countries member of the European Federation." Wat een hufterige actie van die McConns!!!!! Madeleine McCanns' parents to address MEPs Alert would have saved Madeleine McCann Telegraph Geen woorden aan vuil maken...

En verder over die actie van de McCanns, een open brief eigenlijk aan Gerry McCann, een fragment: "So, even if you had wanted to go to the hub of the enterprise, Brussels is a bit closer to Portugal than is Washington. Missing Children Europe, as you will read above is the regional representative of the international centre based in Washington.

So, Gerry, since there is already a European campaign for Europe-wide change, why do you think it's necessary for you to set up some kind of separate campaign? Why not just support the existing work?

And, oh dear, Gerry! Making Europe a safer place for our children? So, they do things differently in the US, do they when parents leave their children alone in an unlocked apartment? What do they do? Have some kind of alarm system in every home, hotel room, holiday apartment etc, that lets you know when your children, whom you have left to fend for themselves, are being abducted? Maybe a red light flashes on your mobile phone while you're sitting there at dinner sending text messages?" meer >>> frommybigdesk.blogspot.com

En laat ik weer eens een niet-Britse krant aanhalen:
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The Judiciary Police wants to have in Portugal, in the next month, Kate and Gerry McCann, the British couple whose three-year-old daughter disappeared from Praia da Luz, Algarve. The objective of the Portuguese investigators is to try, with a re-enactment of the night on the 3rd of May in the location of the crime, to understand the various contradictions of the statements given by the last persons who saw Maddie alive. In this group, there are seven friends who were accompanying the McCanns in the dinner of the Tapas Bar, when the alarm of the disappearance of the girl was given.

Clarence Mitchell, the press adviser of the family, confirmed yesterday the PJ’s request, but did not reveal dates, or details of the re-enactment. He was not clear on the possibility of the McCanns returning, leaving in the 'air the hypothesis' that the couple would accept willingly the diligence if they stopped being arguidos.

Other of the wishes of the McCanns to agree to the participation in the reconstitution would be that the same is subjected to a TV broadcast. Something that is unthinkable in the light of the legal Portuguese system, where the process is kept under the secrecy of Justice. Police sources said to the CM that the shelving of the suspicions against the parents of the child are not predictable before the end of the inquiry. Gerry, Kate or other of the English friends who spent holidays in Luz are not obliged to return, unless, if there are strong signs of the practice of a crime, which would lead to international warrants to be issued.

IMPORTANT WITNESSES

The day of yesterday was important for the PJ. They cross-examined again Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien, the couple that had the biggest contradictions in the statements given in the last months. The PJ was intending to know exactly where Jane affirmed to have seen Maddie's kidnapper and how she managed to describe him after several months, although she did not do it on the days that followed the girl’s disappearance. Another doubt was how it was possible for her to see a man carrying a child in front of the apartment exactly at the same hour while Gerry was standing just a few meters away. And why Maddie’s father and a friend that were talking in that place did not see the same stranger with the girl.

As for Russell, the objective is to explain his goings to the bedroom where his daughters were sleeping, during the dinner. The Englishman was the one who stayed away longer from the table of the restaurant. He said what one of the daughters had vomited while she was sleeping, but there was no request to change dirty bed sheets.

SPECTACLE AT THE POLICE DOOR

The police display yesterday was enormous, during the whole morning and afternoon, near the installations of the police of Leicester. Dozens of photographers concentrated near the gates and tried to register the entries of the main protagonists: three elements of the PJ (Paulo Rebelo on the right, in the photo from above, accompanied by his team of inspectors) and the couple Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien.

HIGH SECURITY ON THE POLICE STATION

The headquarters of the Leicester Police - where the interrogations took place - is surrounded by great measures of security. Nobody goes through the gate without obtaining a prior authorization.

MADDIE'S MOTHER AT HOME

Kate McCann came yesterday at the door of house. Only to close the door, furious, while noticing the presence of Portuguese journalists. Her friend wrote down the license plate of the car of the CM and phoned to the spokesman of the couple, Clarence Mitchell.

TEAM WITH AGITATED DAY

The three elements of the Judiciary Police which will, until next Friday, accompany the interrogations to the friends of the McCanns went out early from the Ramada Hotel, where they are staying. Before 09h00 a car of the Leicester police stopped at the Hotel's main entry and took the investigators even to headquarters. They entered in the headquarters in great speed and followed up to a building which was not possible for the journalists to see. There, they accompanied the investigations, which were made by the local police. They could not ask questions directly to the witnesses, but they where allowed to make suggestions.

The rogatory letter was sufficiently to authorize new questions and even to request new diligences. What can still be done till next Friday

'UNTOUCHABLE' IMAGE OF KATE E GERRY

The neighbourhood is peaceful. Equal to others which fill the small city of Rothley, where several practically equal dwellings stand out. In the street that gives access to the house - the McCanns House is the last one of the village and can be distinguished by the toys that are kept near one of the windows – there are almost no signs of life.

Two cars are at the door and Kate and Gerry prepared their trip to Brussels, set for tomorrow, with the couple travelling in a flight expected to be in the end of the afternoon and with a departure of an airport of London.

A little time has passed since the lunch hour when, the door opens and Kate comes to the entry. She says goodbye to a friend but the presence of the journalists of the CM hastens the farewell. Kate closes the door, remains hidden and Englishman that had gone out from the house stops in front of the car rented by the CM. Ostensibly, taking the number of the license plate and, by phone, he informs Clarence Mitchell, the adviser of the McCanns, that there are journalists at the door of the couple - a break of the compromise taken by the generality of the journalists, who accepted rules imposed by the McCanns and guided visits of the couple for photographic sessions. The CM does not accept compromises of this type.

When the incident ended - with the exit of the journalists of the CM-, the city seems to have forgotten Maddie.

DETAILS

HOTEL CHANGES RULES
The stay of the team of the Judiciary Police of Portimão in the Ramada Hotel, in Leicester, altered the internal rules of that unity. The bar, which was usually open not for guests until 01h00, now closes at 23h00.

PACIFIC FAMILIARITY
Portuguese journalists and police are put up in the same hotel, in the centre of the city of Leicester. The familiarity between all is appeasing, but the silence is maintained. Paulo Rebelo the PJ‘s coordinator and responsible for the department of Portimão, goes on repeating to the journalists that he does not give any statements.

CHANGE OF COURSE
At the same hour in that several of journalists were concentrated at the door of the police of Leicester to register the arrival of Jane Tanner and Russell O’Brien, to be questioned, Clarence Mitchell, the spokesman of the McCann, was calling the reporters for a press conference at 20 kilometres of distance. The dash was general.

50 WITNESSES
The lawyers of the couple McCann presented a list to the police of more than 50 persons, besides the group of friends that spent holidays with them in Praia da Luz, to be heard in England. They are close persons of the couple, defence witnesses.

FRIENDS WITHOUT LAWYERS
As they are cross-examined in the capacity of witnesses, all the friends of the McCanns have no use for the lawyers' presence.

CRUCIAL WITNESSES
The most important evidences are those of Jane and Russell, the first ones being heard because they assume total priority for the Judiciary Police.

EMPTY MEMORIAL
In Rothley, the memorial to the dead in the world wars, where were the most varied objects put in memory of the child, has nothing now.

SILENCE RULES
In the commercial establishments nobody wants to talk about the child, keeping some distance of the motives of a disappearance that ran throughout the World. Source: Correio da Manhã
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> The REAL Madeleine McCann Story < filmpje + Reminder: Blood clue puts McCann parents in crosshairs.
  donderdag 10 april 2008 @ 03:28:21 #51
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Die ouders hebben dat arme kind gewoon per ongeluk vermoord en proberen er gewoon hard omheen te draaien. Hun verhaal kwakkelt van alle kanten, en net toevallig wordt alleen Maddie meegenomen en worden de andere twee kinderen ongemoeid gelaten. De stempel 'kinderhandel' kan dus al niet kloppen, aangezien een kinderhandelaar ze alledrie had meegenomen. Beide ouders hebben nog nooit gehuild, nooit emoties getoond [slechts sporadisch zoals in krokodillentranen] en doen allebei alsof hun neus bloedt. Ze stichten al direct na de verdwijning een fonds op voor het kind, waar grif door rijke bekende Britten in wordt gestort. Het feit overigens da t de ouders vrij kil en emotieloos overkomen, wordt door iedereen verklaard omdat beide in een ziekenhuis werken en ze al genoeg pijn en leed hebben gezien om nog ergens emotioneel van te worden. De verdwijning van je dochter blijft echter niet in de koude kleren zitten als een oud wijf van 80 die kapot gaat door een medische misser of ouderdom.
U heeft de issues, ik heb de tissues.
Your shit's weak! My shit will fuck you up son! YEAH BUDDY!
  donderdag 10 april 2008 @ 11:29:10 #52
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Op woensdag 9 april 2008 21:14 schreef Suko het volgende:
Waarbij The Guardian maar even vergeet dat in januari diverse kranten melden dat: "Blood found in a car hired by her parents weeks after she disappeared definitely came from the British girl, it was reported yesterday. The Portuguese newspaper Correio da Manha cited police sources as saying new tests on blood found in the hire car conclusively showed it was Madeleine's. "The definitive result of the tests leave no doubts for the Policia Judiciaria. The blood found in the McCanns' car is that of Madeleine as well as those samples detected in the flat," the paper said." Bron
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Wednesday August 15: Blood traces found in the bedroom where Madeleine was sleeping the night she was snatched were not hers, the Times reports. Forensic results show the blood came from a man, it adds.
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Monday September 10: Portuguese police sources suggest that DNA tests prove Madeleine's body had been in the boot of a car hired by her parents 25 days after she disappeared. Some DNA experts doubt the claims. The McCanns hire lawyers, including an extradition expert, from the London firm Kingsley Napley.
Het bloed in de kamer is niet van haar maar dat in de auto wel volgens de tijdlijn, met een salg om de arm want stl je voor dat ze weer aangeklaagd worden.
Al met al komen ze er niet zo goed af.
quote:
Opmerkelijk inderdaad dat diverse kranten de reconstructie verschillend omschrijven. "McCanns are required to" + "McCanns ponder return to" + "POLICE WANT PARENTS BACK"+ McCanns will return to Portugal, to help the police? Allemaal een andere invalshoek. IMO is dat onderdeel van de Mitchell-techniek. Verdeel/verwar en heers. Want kennelijk heeft hij nog steeds de zekerheid dat geen enkele journo de moeite neemt (of kan nemen) de echte feiten te beschrijven. Geen lezer weet hoe het echt zit, men leest dit en dan weer dat, wat is waar en wat niet, of zit het ergens verstopt en lezen wij er over heen, ook een spin-techniek.
Gelukkig zijn er een boel fora en blogs die de verschillende artikelen schiften en uitpluizen, maar je hebt gelijk, het blijft op deze manier gissen.
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En over die European telephone number=hotline-actie. Ook deze bron (net zoals ik eerder vanmorgen heb gepost qua Joana Morais) vermeld dat de McCanns: "This type of international awareness campaigns have already been organised, for instance, for the International Day of Missing Children, for which one set of graphical material was used in 2005 by 11 countries member of the European Federation." Wat een hufterige actie van die McConns!!!!! Madeleine McCanns' parents to address MEPs [b]Alert would have saved Madeleine McCann [/b]Telegraph Geen woorden aan vuil maken...
Ach ja zolang ze het zelf maar geloven, ik weet niet hoe ze dit met droge ogen kunnen beweren .
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En verder over die actie van de McCanns, een open brief eigenlijk aan Gerry McCann, een fragment: "So, even if you had wanted to go to the hub of the enterprise, Brussels is a bit closer to Portugal than is Washington. Missing Children Europe, as you will read above is the regional representative of the international centre based in Washington.

So, Gerry, since there is already a European campaign for Europe-wide change, why do you think it's necessary for you to set up some kind of separate campaign? Why not just support the existing work?

And, oh dear, Gerry! Making Europe a safer place for our children? So, they do things differently in the US, do they when parents leave their children alone in an unlocked apartment? What do they do? Have some kind of alarm system in every home, hotel room, holiday apartment etc, that lets you know when your children, whom you have left to fend for themselves, are being abducted? Maybe a red light flashes on your mobile phone while you're sitting there at dinner sending text messages?" meer >>> frommybigdesk.blogspot.com
So true, ook maar even een keer goed aanhalen, ik weet niet of dit artikel wel blijft staan.
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En laat ik weer eens een niet-Britse krant aanhalen:
Misschien wel een goed idee om idd niet blind op de Britse pers af te gaan in deze, die zijn gebonden aan handen en voeten lijkt wel.
Maar ook dit is het meest speculeren en uitwerken van waat er eerder in de pers heeft gestaan, kwam er maar weer eens een statement of een lek naar buiten, naar een buitenlandse krant dan, de Britse pers zal wel niet mogen.

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  donderdag 10 april 2008 @ 11:39:37 #53
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Op donderdag 10 april 2008 03:28 schreef Sigmund666 het volgende:
Die ouders hebben dat arme kind gewoon per ongeluk vermoord en proberen er gewoon hard omheen te draaien. Hun verhaal kwakkelt van alle kanten, en net toevallig wordt alleen Maddie meegenomen en worden de andere twee kinderen ongemoeid gelaten. De stempel 'kinderhandel' kan dus al niet kloppen, aangezien een kinderhandelaar ze alledrie had meegenomen. Beide ouders hebben nog nooit gehuild, nooit emoties getoond [slechts sporadisch zoals in krokodillentranen] en doen allebei alsof hun neus bloedt. Ze stichten al direct na de verdwijning een fonds op voor het kind, waar grif door rijke bekende Britten in wordt gestort. Het feit overigens da t de ouders vrij kil en emotieloos overkomen, wordt door iedereen verklaard omdat beide in een ziekenhuis werken en ze al genoeg pijn en leed hebben gezien om nog ergens emotioneel van te worden. De verdwijning van je dochter blijft echter niet in de koude kleren zitten als een oud wijf van 80 die kapot gaat door een medische misser of ouderdom.
Het klopt helemaal wat je schrijft, hun verhaal klopt niet en zijn aan het draaien (spinnen).

Dat stukje wat je aan het eind schrijft vind ik een slechte verklaring, natuurlijk kun je bij je patienten afstandelijk blijven, dat hoort bij je werk, als je dat echter ook mee naar huis neemt en ook bij je kinderen zo kan vind ik een beetje eng, je eigen gezin/familie zijn toch nooit je patienten als het goed is?
Dat geeft imho toch wel blijk van een soort van afstandelijkheid die boven je werk-ethiek uitstijgt.
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Hoi all! Nou Kahaarin, voorlopig worden er geen statements gegeven wat betreft de lopende verhoren en dat is misschien maar goed ook. Laat de PJ en hun Britse collega's maar rustig de getuigenissen opnemen, mogelijk met behulp van wat duimschroeven, het geheugen laat hen wat in de steek heb ik begrepen... Zeker en vast hebben ze van de advocaten het advies gekregen ploteling last te hebben van dementie....

Anyway, Charlotte heeft zo haar eigen mening over het terugkeren naar Portugal qua reconstructie:
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Portuguese Police in UK, MEP, and denials

Well, it has been a busy week in the McCann camp with the Portuguese police arriving in UK on Monday, interviewing Jane Tanner and Russell O’Brien on Tuesday for a gruelling 10 hours and apparently interviewed Fiona and David Payne from Leicester yesterday.

And while all this is going on the McCann couple have flitted off to to Brussels to give a presentation to MEPs at the European Parliament in Brussels with regard the Amber Alert System which (the McCanns say) “such a system could have helped find their daughter Madeleine in the crucial hours after she went missing.”

Of course, that’s a silly statement to make considering Madeleine was apparently found missing from the McCanns Praia da Luz apartment nearly an hour after Gerry McCann purports to have checked her at 9:15pm, the fact that the only witness was Jane Tanner who cannot decide whether or not the faceless ‘abductor’ was carrying a bundle wrapped in a blanket or a child wearing pyjamas with a pinky hue. Not to mention the fact that there was no car and therefore no number plates to report. If Madeleine was abducted then just how the Amber Alert would have worked in the case of Madeleine McCann is beyond me.

But, with that bit of useless news aside – The McCanns appear to be (after spinning their vows of returning to Portugal for the ‘anniversary’ of Madeleine’s disappearance) backing down from the offer of the Portuguese police to return to Portugal to reconstruct the night of May 3rd. Remember these apparent ‘brave’ statements?
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* Happy to return to Portugal Telegraph - December 6 2007
* The McCanns will go back even if arrested says friend Liverpool Daily Post Sept 2007
* We will go to Portugal to mark anniversary Daily Mail April 4th 2008

Really? So why are the McCanns and Team McCann already compiling their excuses for a refusal? Evening Standard
"A friend of the couple said: "Kate is upset. There's been no sense of concern for her feelings or the anguish it will cause her. "On an emotional level she is not sure she can go through with it." Sky News
We will take lie detector test – Sept 2007 Channel 4 News en de Daily Mail.
In other words, they lied. Says it all really.
Ik heb alles wat ingekort, maar op haar blog is alles uitvoerig terug te lezen. Goed verhaal.

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RTP Video report from Sandra Felgueiras Video link here

09 - 04 - 2008
Sandra Felqueiras

(Note: A short segment of this video is in English)

In Portuguese, Sandra says that the McCanns heard on the way to Brussels that their Portuguese lawyers have accepted that they will return to Praia da Luz on 15-16 May. She adds that the PJ are saying that they know nothing but she says that already yesterday it was obvious there was a disagreement.

The video then proceeds with a short interview with Clarence Mitchell, presumably filmed yesterday to highlight signs of the disagreement. Sandra says to Clarence Mitchell that Rogério Alves, one of the McCanns Portuguese lawyers, has said he wants the McCanns to return to Praia da Luz but Mr Mitchell denies any decisions have yet been made.

She says that the PJ don't really expect them there, and they know very well that they will stay arguido until the end of the enquiry.

Sandra Felgueiras from RTP (Portuguese report), 09 April 2008
RTP Video report from Sandra Felgueiras Video link here

09 - 04 - 2008
Sandra Felqueiras

Part translation from the video:

"Silence is the key to the success of this mission of the PJ on UK soil, so the coordinator of the Madeleine case has already assured us that the testimonies given by the seven friends of the McCanns to Leicestershire police will be maintained in secret.

"RTP knows that the reconstitution of the events involving the group, in the hours preceding the disappearance of Madeleine, only makes sense if by the end of this week contradictions persist. But for the PJ it is inconceivable that the McCanns feel that it is possible to negotiate with the Portuguese legal system."

"A source connected to the investigation informed us that the McCanns know very well that their arguido status will not be removed until the trial. Since neither the McCanns nor their friends can be forced to return to PDL, most probably, this diligence will never take place. Also, PJ assumes that they would never accept the conditions imposed by Kate and Gerry McCann." Bron
Dacht ik wel, die reconstructie zal er vermoedelijk niet komen onder die voorwaarden. Veel 'nieuws' vandaag in de bladen over dat bezoek van de McCanns aan Brussel, dat laat ik voor wat het is, gaat nergens over...

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Op donderdag 10 april 2008 13:33 schreef Suko het volgende:
Hoi all! Nou Kahaarin, voorlopig worden er geen statements gegeven wat betreft de lopende verhoren en dat is misschien maar goed ook. Laat de PJ en hun Britse collega's maar rustig de getuigenissen opnemen, mogelijk met behulp van wat duimschroeven, het geheugen laat hen wat in de steek heb ik begrepen... Zeker en vast hebben ze van de advocaten het advies gekregen ploteling last te hebben van dementie....
Inderdaad, helemaal niet verkeerd die stilte Suko, hopelijk voor de storm.
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Anyway, Charlotte heeft zo haar eigen mening over het terugkeren naar Portugal qua reconstructie:
Tja, blijft leuk, terugspinnen en reconstrueren, ik denk dat ze wel een punt heeft.
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Dacht ik wel, die reconstructie zal er vermoedelijk niet komen onder die voorwaarden. Veel 'nieuws' vandaag in de bladen over dat bezoek van de McCanns aan Brussel, dat laat ik voor wat het is, gaat nergens over...
Natuurlijk niet, net doen of ze alles wel willen maar ondertussen hun eigen eisenpakket op tafel gooien trappen ze in Portugal niet in, hopelijk kan er nav de verhoren een verzoek naar de Britse justitie, dan kunnen zij meekijken hoe de PJ zijn werk doet en de McCanns begelijden naar Portugal.
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  donderdag 10 april 2008 @ 19:58:36 #56
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Hey, zomaar een kritische noot.
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Portuguese police claim McCanns left Madeleine crying in her bedroom the night before she disappeared
Last updated at 16:24pm on 10th April 2008

Kate McCann admitted they left their daughter Madeleine alone and crying in their holiday apartment on the night before she disappeared, it has been reported.

The accusations stem from leaked statements apparently given by the couple to police in the immediate aftermath of the incident in May last year.

Portuguese police - who are believed to be infuriated by the McCanns' political influence and by Prime Minister Gordon Brown's interest in the case - apparently leaked the statements to coincide with the couple's visit to the European Parliament.



In the news: The couple faced a barrage of photographers as they spoke in Brussels


The McCanns are in Brussels to call on MEPs to call for a Europe-wide centre to help finding missing children.

Excerpts from the statements were broadcast by the Spanish station Telecinco, including a section of Mrs McCann's statement in which she allegedly said Madeleine was left crying in the family's holiday apartment on the night before she vanished.

She was reported to have told police that Madeleine remonstrated with her over breakfast the next day, asking why her mother had not come to her room to comfort her.

In the statement, Mrs McCann, 40, and her husband allegedly agreed they should be more vigilant
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Since their daughter's disappearance, the couple have faced widespread criticism over their decision to leave Madeleine and their two-year-old twins Sean and Amelie sleeping in their holiday apartment while they went out for dinner with friends in a nearby restaurant.

Their spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, refused to confirm if the leaked statements were genuine.

He said: "I am not going to confirm or deny the content of any statements Gerry and Kate have made.

"But we are extremely concerned such material, if it is authentic, has apparently been leaked."




Message of hope: Kate McCann smiles at she heads to Brussels

The claims came as the McCanns urged MEPs to adopt an "Amber Alert" scheme liked the one used in the US.

This broadcasts international radio and TV warnings in the vital first few hours after a child goes missing.

Mrs McCann said: "Alert systems have clearly demonstrated that they help save lives. Please do not wait for another child and family to suffer as we have."

The couple also want more co-operation between countries when search efforts are under way.

As they addressed the politicians - the first time they have spoken publicly since being named as suspects in their daughter's disappearance - Mrs McCann clutched a favourite photograph of Madeleine.

She also carried the toddler's soft toy, Cuddle Cat, with her to give her courage.

She spoke of the devastating impact Madeleine's disappearance had had on her family.

She said: "Madeleine was an incredibly happy, confident and loved little girl. This time last year we were a very happy family.

"I am unable to convey to you just how totally devastating Madeleine's abduction was. It's been totally awful.

"If anyone wanted to inflict the maximum amount of pain on us they have certainly achieved that."

She said she clung to the belief Madeleine was alive, saying: "We certainly still have hope."

The McCanns' call for increased resources to find missing children came as the couple revealed they will not return to Portugal to mark the first anniversary of their daughter's disappearance on May 3.

However, they said they are considering a Portuguese police request for them to take part in a reconstruction of the day Madeleine vanished.

Mr McCann defended himself and his wife against accusations that they should not be spearheading the "Amber Alert" campaign while they remain suspects, or arguidos, in the Portuguese police investigation.

He said: "We don't know how long we are going to be arguidos.

"We are very concerned that until this system is implemented other children and other families could suffer."

Mr McCann said he had been "exasperated" by bureaucracy surrounding their early attempts to publicise Madeleine's disappearance in Portugal.

Strict secrecy laws meant police there refused to release descriptions of a suspect seen carrying a child away from their apartment in Praia da Luz.


On a mission: Kate and Gerry McCann board the Eurostar on their way to meet MEPs

The couple told MEPs that the Amber Alert system - named after an abducted girl in the U.S. - had led to 68 children being found last year.

Mrs McCann said she believed a similar, Europe-wide system could have helped to find Madeleine.

"I believe the chances of recovery would have been higher. It would have improved our chances," she said.

MEPs attempted to introduce an alert system two years ago but failed to get sufficient support to pass legislation.

The Conservative MEP Edward McMillan-Scott said he backed the couple's proposal for a dedicated European hotline for information on missing children.

A number has already been reserved, but it has yet to go live.

The couple were dining in a tapas restaurant in Praia da Luz - just an hour's drive from the Spanish border - when Madeleine, who was aged three at the time, disappeared.

They believe a system similar to "Amber Alert" could have tracked her down in the hours after she vanished on May 3 last year.

The scheme is named for nine-year-old Amber Hagerman, who went missing and was later killed by her abductor.

Mr McMillan-Scott said it had saved nearly 400 abducted children since 2003, four-fifths of whom were found in the first 72 hours after they went missing.


Madeleine: Missing for almost a year

He said the system worked like a severe weather warning, allowing the authorities to broadcast messages on radio, television and motorway signs. In Europe, only Belgium and France have adopted it.

He added: "Gerry and Kate want a European children centre - like the one in Washington - to bring together governments, the police and the voluntary sector to work on a united front and eliminate layers of frustrating bureaucracy and duplication of work.

"The McCanns tell me that the least they can do is ask for some political will. They have got the support of the leading missing children organisations and the goodwill of every right-minded European.

"It is impossible to know what they are going through. We are all praying for the safe return of Madeleine. At the same time Europe must together do all it can to prevent other families suffering like the McCanns."

The couple's spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, said: "For Kate and Gerry this is an important opportunity to ensure better co-ordination in Europe when a child goes missing to make sure that no other family goes through the anguish that they are continuing to endure."

An official declaration has been made, and it will remain open for three months. A majority of the 785 MEPs must sign it for it to go before the European Parliament.

While the McCanns are in Brussels, officers from Leicestershire Constabulary will continue to question members of the Tapas Seven - the friends they were dining with on May 3 - as a three-man team of detectives from Portugal listen in.

It is believed that yesterday was the turn of 34-year-old Fiona and 41-year-old David Payne from Leicester.

On Tuesday, detectives questioned Jane Tanner, 37, and her partner, 36-year-old Russell O'Brien, over a ten-hour period.
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Dat is inderdaad 'hot news' uit de Daily Mail Kahaarin, als het niet waar is kan deze krant ook een aanklacht van het team McCann verwachten maar ik vermoed zomaar dat het waar is. Nogmaals de stukjes, omdat ik dat nuttig vind :
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Kate McCann admitted they left their daughter Madeleine alone and crying in their holiday apartment on the night before she disappeared, it has been reported.

The accusations stem from leaked statements apparently given by the couple to police in the immediate aftermath of the incident in May last year.

Portuguese police - who are believed to be infuriated by the McCanns' political influence and by Prime Minister Gordon Brown's interest in the case - apparently leaked the statements to coincide with the couple's visit to the European Parliament.
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Excerpts from the statements were broadcast by the Spanish station Telecinco, including a section of Mrs McCann's statement in which she allegedly said Madeleine was left crying in the family's holiday apartment on the night before she vanished.

She was reported to have told police that Madeleine remonstrated with her over breakfast the next day, asking why her mother had not come to her room to comfort her. In the statement, Mrs McCann, 40, and her husband allegedly agreed they should be more vigilant.
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Their spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, refused to confirm if the leaked statements were genuine. He said: "I am not going to confirm or deny the content of any statements Gerry and Kate have made. "But we are extremely concerned such material, if it is authentic, has apparently been leaked."
Oh Clarrie, again, put a sock in it!

En oh oh, wat komt dit hard aan, wat zeggen de 'vrienden' van de McCanns tegen The Mirror
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Madeleine McCann asked her mother just hours before her disappearance: "Why didn't you come when we were crying last night?", it was revealed today.

The three-year-old's stark question emerged amid leaked passages from police interviews given by Kate and Gerry McCann directly after their daughter's disappearance in Praia da Luz, Portugal last May. The couple, who were in Brussels today to launch a bid for a Europe-wide missing child alert system, were angered by the timing of the leak and were convinced it was a "blatant" attempt to smear them.

They called for the Portuguese Justice Ministry to launch an internal investigation into the revelations which would be a serious breach of the country's strict judicial secrecy laws. One furious friend said: "The minute that you talk about Madeleine crying is the minute that the vultures will pile in, that's why this has been leaked."

Madeleine, who disappeared just days before her fourth birthday, went missing from the McCanns' holiday apartment on the night of May 3 while the couple were eating tapas with friends nearby. In her first interview with Portuguese detectives, Mrs McCann spoke about a conversation she had with Madeleine just that morning.

"While we were having breakfast, Madeleine said: 'Mum, why didn't you come when we were crying last night?'," she told police. She added: "Gerry and I talked about it for several minutes and decided to watch over the children more carefully at night."

Friends of the McCanns said tonight that the couple had been "puzzled" by Madeleine's remark at the time as she had not apparently been crying when they called in for regular 20-minute checks from the restaurant across the pool where they dined each night during their holiday. They said that one of the McCanns' friends Rachael Oldfield, had been in the adjoining flat - on the other side of Madeleine's wall - all evening and had not heard any crying.

The couple also insist Madeleine was not speaking angrily and they did not take it as a reproach. Her reference to "we" is understood to have referred to Madeleine and her younger brother Sean. Friends said they now believe the comment could even be a clue that an intruder was in the flat on the night of May 2 and briefly disturbed Madeleine and Sean before fleeing.

The Policia Judiciaria interviews were leaked through journalist Nacho Abad, of Spanish television programme Ana Rosa Quintana. The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "Kate and Gerry have been utterly honest and utterly open with the police and all of their statements from the moment that Madeleine was taken.

"The very fact that the comment from Madeleine is now in the public domain is entirely because they themselves told the police about it at the time. "It is more than curious that this comment, taken in isolation and out of context, that has been in the police file for some 11 months, should now emerge on the very day that they are in Brussels trying to improve children's welfare and child safety.

"They would be more than interested to know if the Portuguese justice ministry will now demand an internal review of the police investigation to get to the bottom of how this material emerged in the way it has, on the day it has. "Kate and Gerry have been subjected to leaks and smears from day one and I'm afraid this has all the hallmarks of yet another poor attempt to influence the headlines on the very day that they are seeking to achieve some good in Europe."
Dan komt ook buuv Mrs Fenn weer in beeld, die Madeleine ook heeft horen huilen. Ik heb deze stukjes bewaard uit artikelen die natuurlijk van de Express/Star niet meer online zijn, wel uit de Daily Mail. Ik vond ze belangrijk en dat blijkt maar weer...
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8th September 2007
Mrs Fenn also told detectives two days before Madeleine disappeared that the youngster had kept neighbours awake desperately screaming for her father until nearly midnight. She heard the youngster shouting “Dad” from 10.30pm until 11.45pm and added she was shocked such a young child had been left apparently alone for so long late at night. http://www.dailystar.co.u(...)-blood-found-in-car/

14th September 2007
Did you ever lose your temper with the children?
Pamela Fenn, 81, who lives in the flat above, is reported to have heard Madeleine crying for her 'daddy' and sounds of 'violence'. Mrs Fenn has since denied she told police any such thing. But Mrs McCann will be asked whether she ever lost her temper with the children. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481705&in_page_id=1811

August 18,2007
Ook over de vermeende inbraken en de huilende Madeleine.
http://www.express.co.uk/(...)was-never-questioned

August 23,2007
Widow Mrs Fenn told police that two nights before Madeleine went missing she heard a little girl in the apartment crying for over an hour. She said the toddler, who is believed to have been Madeleine, was crying “Daddy, daddy” constantly between 10.30 and 11.45pm. The crying had stopped when the parents returned to the apartment. On the night Madeleine disappeared, Mrs Fenn also heard a child crying, but it was when Kate returned from a nearby restaurant to check on her daughter that she was first aware something was wrong. A source close to Mrs Fenn said: “She often sits on the balcony at night and heard a commotion downstairs. http://express.lineone.ne(...)-let-Madeleine-down-

13th September 2007
Pamela Fenn, 81, lives above the apartment where Madeleine disappeared and is reported to have told police she heard Madeleine screaming below. But yesterday she broke her silence to say it was "absolute rubbish" she had made any such claims to police. Mrs Fenn said: "I didn't even know that family was in there." http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=481485&in_page_id=1770

12th September 2007
Pamela Fenn, who was in an apartment above the family on May 3 - the night Madeleine disappeared - is quoted as saying she believed Mrs McCann sometimes became violent and "out of control" in the room below. She claimed that "the little girl's screams calling for her daddy were very audible". http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481168&in_page_id=181
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Aan de andere kant, sommige posters vermoeden een enorme spin omdat de PJ never leaked. Maar de spin zit in het belasteren van de Portugesen, en lekt Mitchell dit verhaal, mogelijk hebben die Tapas-vrienden moeten uitleggen waarom Madeleine huilde en wordt er daarom een neglect-zaak van gemaakt. Alles beter dan de dood (of medewerking) van Madeleine op je geweten. Dit topic staat er vol/bol van...de wat latere berichten daarin althans. Het is allemaal zooooooo smerig en verklaard misschien het verhaal in The Mirror, post hierboven.

Toevoeging:
En nu denk ook ik dat het spin is nu het ook in steeds meer kranten is te lezen....de clue, een intruder! Een lek wordt geloofd, Mitchell niet, dus een vette spin IMO!!!

"The little girl, then aged three, spoke to Kate McCann at breakfast the following morning and said: "Mummy, why didn’t you come when we were crying last night?" The question prompted Mrs McCann and her husband Gerry to discuss keeping a closer on eye on their children. However, just a few hours after that conversation, Madeleine vanished from their holiday apartment in the Algarve. "Friends said they now believe Madeleine’s comment could even be a clue that an intruder was in the flat on the night before her disappearance and that they briefly disturbed her before fleeing." telegraph

[ Bericht 3% gewijzigd door Suko op 10-04-2008 21:47:44 ]
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En dat het een vette spin van Mitchell is wordt IMO steeds meer duidelijk. Moet het publiek nu echt denken dat dit zinnetje in de verklaring van de McCanns staat: "Mrs McCann told police: "While we were having breakfast, Madeleine said, 'Mummy, why didn't you come when we were crying last night?' Uit de Daily Mail (Last updated at 23:26pm on 10th April 2008) en tig andere kranten, daaruit blijkt ook al dat Clarrie lekker bezif is geweest, iedereen heeft daar een copietje van gekregen, met naar keuze een aantal toevoegingen zoals uit de Telgraph, daar wordt Gerry McCann geciteerd over die shutters. "In his witness statement, Mr McCann told police that workmen had gone into their holiday apartment two days before Madeleine vanished to fix a broken window shutter in the main bedroom. "I returned to the children room I tried to think what could have happened. To my surprise I realised I could lift up the window shutters without effort and almost without making noise." En weten we nog dat het MW-resort verklaarde dat de shutters niet waren geopend, zaten ook te vast om zomaar open te krijgen. En dan komt 'toevallig' Gerry met deze verklaring die nu toevallig uitlekt?!

Maar bovenald dat zinnetje wat Madeleine gezegd schijnt te hebben: 'Mummy, why didn't you come when we were crying last night?" De volgende morgen dus, and here we are, hét alibi voor de McCanns dat Madeleine op 3 mei nog leefde, iets waar velen ernstig aan twijfelen omdat er geen betrouwbare getuigen zijn die onomstotelijk bewijsbaar zijn. Het zou zomaar kunenn dat Mrs Fenn Madeleine voor het laatst die avond op 2 mei voor het laatst heeft gehoord, huilend en er daarna iets is gebeurd waar we tot nu toe alleen maar naar kunnnen gissen...Boy oh boy, wat een wanhoop naar mijn mening. Weten we nog hoe Mitchell een paar weken terug zat te miepen dat ze die files wilden inzien....die ze veel eerder allang al onder ogen hebben gekregen, waarom duurde het anders zooooo lang voordat de PJ naar de UK kon afreizen voor de verhoren??? Bodempje leggen voor de smear omdat zij de files wel degelijk kennen...en daar nu uit putten.

En nu verwijt Mitchell dat de PJ met een smear-campagne bezig is terwijl het net andersom is. Eerst al een total snub naar de PJ om uitgerekend deze week, tijdens de verhoren, naar Brussel te gaan en dan nu de PJ belasteren dat ze lekken. Daar trappen wij niet in pinky boy, no way! Er wordt zelfs door anderen gesuggereerd dat Mitchell misschien een dubbele agenda heeft, want dit zo belachelijk dat het de McCanns alleen nog meer schade berokkend. Maar waarom en of het echt zo is????

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Tapas Seven demanded private jet and 5-star hotels to return to Portugal for Madeleine questioning, Portuguese police claim

Last updated at 13:29pm on 11th April 2008


Portuguese police trying to stage a reconstruction of the night Madeleine McCann disappeared claim to have hit a stumbling block.

The "Tapas Seven" - the friends dining with Gerry and Kate McCann last May - have allegedly refused to travel to the country unless extravagant demands, such as private jet travel and five-star hotel accommodation, are met.

Judicial sources in Portugal told the newspaper 24 horas that the families had demanded the ultra-expensive flights to the Algarve for them and their children as a condition of returning.

Friends of Kate and Gerry McCann (clockwise from top left): Fiona Payne, Jane Tanner, Russell O'Brien and Rachael Oldfield

One said: "Requests for cooperation were sent to various people living outside of Portugal, namely the McCanns, the seven friends they were having tapas with the night Madeleine disappeared, the two spokespeople they had, a friend Gerry McCann was playing tennis with and another friend, Jeremy Wilkins.

"We've already received several responses. No one's said 'no'.

"But the demands they make to return are impossible to entertain.

"One of the couples demanded a private jet to travel with their children to the Algarve. Another demanded they be put up in a five-star hotel.

"The demands they all made demonstrate a clear strategy by lawyers. The only thing missing from the list was a request that we send them to the moon on skates."

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  vrijdag 11 april 2008 @ 16:37:35 #61
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Hey Milagro!

Goedemiddag allen!
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Een Spaans televisiestation zegt over uitgelekte politiedocumenten uit de verdwijningszaak van de Britse kleuter Madeleine McCann te beschikken. Uit een van de stukken blijkt dat Maddy's ouders haar de nacht voor haar verdwijning ook al alleen hebben gelaten. "Mamma, waarom kwam je niet naar ons toe toen we huilden vannacht?" zou Madeleine de volgende dag hebben gezegd.

"Erg toevallig"

Gerry en Kate McCann hebben via hun woordvoerder laten weten dat ze het wel erg toevallig vinden dat de gelekte documenten uitgerekend nu naar buiten zijn gekomen. De McCanns hebben in Brussel de Europese leiders opgeroepen haast te maken met de invoering van een Europees waarschuwingssysteem voor ontvoerde kinderen.

De Spaande zender, Telecinco, beschikt naar eigen zeggen ook over documenten waarin de ouders hun verbazing uitspreken over de reactie van hun dochter, toen zij erachter kwam dat zij en haar broertje en zusje alleen waren gelaten
http://www.spitsnieuws.nl(...)en_maddy_uitgel.html
Het lijkt er wel verdacht veel op dat dit is geregisseerd Suko, ik ben bang dat je gelijk hebt.
@Milagro, die onmogelijke eisen had ik gisteren al voorspeld, net doen alsof ze overal aan mee willen werken, maar.....[insert onmogelijke eisen naar keuze].
En toch geloof ik dat ze niet meer zoveel kunnen maken, juist omdat ze zoveel tamtam hebben gemaakt is alle aandacht op hen gericht, nu moeten ze zo langzamerhand met het water voor de dokter, niemand gelooft meer dat ze niets te verbergen hebben en er zijn een heleboel mensen die hun wenkbrauwen optrekken bij hun gedrag en gebrek aan compassie tov Madeleine, weten jullie nog, het meisje dat vermist is en waar geen spoor van te vinden is, de ouders staan op elke krantensite maar behalve de foto's die als rekwisieten worden meegetroond wordt er niets meer over haar gezegd, wel over haar ouders, die zeggen dat een reconstructie heel moeilijk is voor hen, dat zij de negatieve aandacht zat zijn, om maar eens wat te noemen, het is nu de Kate&Gerry show, niet meer nieuws over een vermist meisje. (Ik weiger ontvoerd te zeggen, daar is helemaal geen bewijs van.)
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Hé Milagro, leuk je weer te zien in dit topic. Die extreme eisen van die Tapas-lui kunnen ook uit de koker van Mitchell komen, onderdeel van 'zijn' smear-compagne. Hij kan rustig weer massa's copietjes rondsturen hoe erg die Portugesen de McCanns en hun vrienden in een kwaad daglicht zetten. Geheid dat er nu vrijwel dagelijks smear zal worden gepubliceerd, hij heeft 'ons' al laten weten graag de files te willen lezen, dat hebben ze al onder ogen gehad + die Rogarty Letters, dé vragen voor de verhoren. Maar doet net alsof ze van niets weten , dus kan deze lekkage niet van hen af komen want de Portugese Secrecy Law verbiedt zulks. Nee, die sardinevreters zijn de schuldigen.

Neglect is de issue waar ze het op gooien, daar kunnen ze niet onderuit aangezien de McCanns zelf hebben verklaard de kids avond aan avond alleen te hebben gelaten. Dat is altijd nog veel minder erg dan moord. En zelfs neglect zullen ze bevechten, middels verklaringen afzwakken, manipuleren en zelfs Madeleine van leugens betichten zoals Joana Morais op haar blog pijnlijk treffend schrijft: Is Clarence Mitchell accusing Madeleine McCann of lying?! Mr Mitchell described Madeleine's words as a "short aside". He said: "Madeleine came out and said, 'Why didn't you come to me and Sean [Madeleine's younger brother] when we were crying last night?' "Now, Kate and Gerry were puzzled by that because they'd been checking her every half an hour and they had seen no evidence and heard no evidence that she was crying. "Nor was she disturbed when she was checked each time. "Equally, one of the friends, Rachael Oldfield, was in the apartment next door in a bedroom adjacent to the wall where Madeleine was in her bedroom and she heard no crying at all night." Source: BBC

En wat die kennelijk Portugese smearcampagne betreft, zegt Charlotte op haar blog : "[Comment: Team McCann have been smearing the Portuguese police since September 2007 in one form or another, calling them incompetent and more or less insinuating that they are liars. Not to mention the many unnamed sources, friends and associates who have leaked information to the newspapers on behalf of the McCanns while they are arguidos, blatantly using the loophole to break Portuguese secrecy laws.]

En verder:
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"Mr Mitchell spoke out as chief investigator Paulo Rebelo was returning to the Algarve for a crunch meeting with the private prosecutor who holds the future of the McCanns in his hands.

Mr Rebelo was due to give Portimao public prosecutor Jose Magalhaes e Menezes a detailed run-down of his three-day trip to Britain to sit in on fresh interviews with the couple's holiday friends.

The meeting is expected to be crucial in determining whether Madeleine's parents remain official police suspects."The meeting is expected to be crucial in determining whether Madeleine's parents remain official police suspects. An investigating judge is expected to life a secrecy order on the case on May 15 unless prosecutors ask for a three-month extension. The McCanns could then demand they are either charged or cleared." Evening Standard
Nou, ik heb toch echt gelezen dat tenminste de files tot september gesloten blijven en dat de McCanns Arguido's blijven totdat het onderzoek is afgerond en dan kan nog best een paar maanden duren. En dus zullen ze zeker niet naar Portugal afreizen zolang ze nog formeel verdachten zijn, dat was hun eis om mee te werken, eerst die status opheffen, dan werken we mee...maar ja, misschien die Tapas-vriendjes wel, als het mooi weer is, al of niet in een Jet.... Indeed Kahaarin, de Kate&Gerry Show en nergens een bewijs van een ontvoering, maar wel zoals je schrijft, oppassen geblazen, wie gelooft ze nog, en wie is Mitchell nog niet zat eigenlijk, behalve in z'n eigen kring? Please please please someone arrest Clarence Mitchell

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Anyway, de McCanns zullen mogelijk weigeren naar Portugal af te reizen qua reconstructie wegens de lekken naar de pers... oh jee, die smoes hadden we zelf kunnen bedenken. Ook hebben ze spijt dat ze de kids alleen hebben gelaten maar Clarence Mitchell benadurkt natuurlijk dat de echte schuldige de ontvoerder is...bla die bla bla. Zie de headlines op http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/?JavaScript=1&search=Madeleine

En verder denkt ook Nige, de webbeheerder van www.mccannfiles.com dat de lekken van de McCanns zelf komen, iets wat velen denken, waaronder ik zei de gek, zijn persoonlijke visie:
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'Why I believe the McCanns' team were behind the leaking of police statements (This article is presented as a personal viewpoint on the current furore surrounding the leaking of police statements to Telecinco)

"At the moment there is nothing to say regarding the case. We are working well. The rest is a soap opera." Alipio Ribeiro to Expresso on 17 November 2007

When considering where the 'leak' to Spanish programme Telecinco came from we must first look at the advantages and disadvantages of such a leak to the McCanns.

Advantages

Opportunity to smear the PJ by blaming them for the leak – with the bonus that the PJ are unable and unwilling to respond,

Opportunity to make a statement direct to the PJ, about the events of May 3rd - through the media - which had been denied them when they were not called for interview,

Revenge for missed opportunity to milk such interviews for PR effect,

Opportunity to reaffirm their timeline for May 3rd,

Opportunity to reaffirm that Madeleine was still alive on the morning of May 3rd,

An opportunity to account for the cries of Madeleine that were heard by Mrs Pamela Fenn, as well as…

The chance to show that they reacted as responsible parents, when it was said that "Gerry and I spoke for a couple of minutes and agreed to keep a closer watch over the children."

The opportunity to distract and divert attention away from the ongoing interviews of the Tapas Group,

The chance to order an internal review of the PJ and contribute to further distractions and consuming of PJ time and resources,

Substance to any possible claim they would not get a fair trial due to the adverse publicity.

The chance to use the "smear" as a reason to refuse to return to Portugal to participate in a reconstruction.

Disadvantages

Adverse newspaper headlines and public opinion,

Distraction from the McCanns trip to Brussels to champion the Amber Alert System

As you see, the advantages of such a leak to the McCanns massively outweigh the two disadvantages, neither of which have any bearing on the actual case against the McCanns.

There is no doubt that during the early days of the investigation leaks found their way into the public domain from certain ‘sources’. This was stopped completely when Paulo Rebelo took charge of the investigation on 08 October 2007. Since then there have been no leaks.

So, the question must be asked, why, after 6 months of running a water tight ship, against waves of abuse and derision from the McCanns, their supporters and certain elements of the UK press, should the PJ see any possible advantage to leaking such information now? The answer is simple. None. The very idea is, to quote Clarence Mitchell, ludicrous.

The PJ have steadfastly gathered their case against the McCanns and the British government has aided the process, eventually, by agreeing to the rogatory letter and further interviewing of the Tapas Group and other witnesses. The process is continuing with the full blessing of all those who have access to whatever evidence is held and who know the case.

To believe that they would throw that all in the air for the sake of one days newspaper headlines is completely ridiculous. This is not a soap opera. This is the investigation into the disappearance and probable death of a 3-year old girl.

So, what advantage is there in getting the McCanns timeline into the public domain and before the PJ’s watching eyes?

Well, it has to be said, there was very little in this leak that wasn’t already in the public domain courtesy of David James Smith’s article in The Times of 17 December 2007. That article showed such fine detail that it could have only come from the McCanns themselves – in effect, leaking their own timeline.

Consider this section of the article:

Gerry paused over Madeleine, who – a typical doctor’s observation, this – was lying almost in “the recovery position” with Cuddle Cat, the toy her godfather, John Corner, had bought her, and her comfort blanket up near her head, and Gerry thought how gorgeous, how lovely-looking she was and how lucky he was. Putting the door back to five degrees, he went to the loo and left to return to the restaurant. That, of course, was the last time he would see his daughter.

This is a virtual word for word copy of what we are now told is Gerry’s original police statement.

So, if this is 'old news', what can we say is new in the leak to Telecinco?

Four things:

1) That Madeleine complained about being left to cry on the previous night and that she addressed this issue over breakfast with Kate and Gerry,

2) Gerry opened the shutters further and that this was easy to do (explaining the presence of any fingerprints that may have been found),

3) That work was done on the shutters in the main bedroom which were broken, and

4) That Jane Tanner believed the man she saw walking away from the McCanns' apartment was the child’s father

I believe that this 'revelation' about Madeleine crying has been very carefully considered. We know that Mrs Pamela Fenn has made a police statement saying that she heard crying from the apartment on a previous night and that this needs to be addressed and explained by the McCanns.

(Note: The common myth that Mrs Fenn subsequently retracted her statement and said she heard no crying is false. What she actually said was that she heard no crying on the night Madeleine was reported missing – she did not deny hearing crying previously).

So, it is clear, the McCanns need to let the PJ know their explanation for this reported crying. They can’t do it in a police interview because they haven’t been called. Their only option? A leak to the media.

Maybe this was one of the questions they were allegedly unable to answer previously and they have now, after nearly a year, remembered.

If the McCanns have felt the need to leak this information now, would this not also imply that this information is crucial to the investigation? Why do they feel compelled to provide cover for screaming on a previous night?

Madeleine, so far as we are led to believe by the McCanns, did not go missing on a previous night, so this would appear to be purely circumstantial evidence. Unless there is a motive for this information being provided.

Combined with details of the 'grown up' breakfast chat with Madeleine, could this be interpreted as an attempt by the McCanns to convince the PJ that Madeleine was still alive on the morning of May 3rd?

We also hear, in this leak, further information about the state of the bedroom window:

"When I went to see Maddie I realised that she was not there, I looked in all the apartment, I returned to the children's room and at that time I saw the curtains move leaving visible to me that the blind was opened up. I went to the window and opened the curtains to see if she had climbed out there but I did not see any trace of her. I do not know whether or not I closed the window at the time," says Maddie's mother. "In shock I ran to Tapas Bar and shouted to Gerry: 'Maddie is not here, someone has taken her'."

In that instant all started rushing to look for the little girl. "When Kate came running and said, 'Maddie is not here, somebody has taken her', I thought that it could not be. I rushed to the apartment by the same path as always. I looked everywhere, I went back to the kids' room and started to think what could have happened. To my surprise I realised that one could lift the blinds without effort and almost no noise. When I went in I saw that Maddie's bed was almost untouched. The corner of the sheets was a little turned [back], the pillow, the pink cuddly toy and the piece of her blanket were almost in the same place that I last saw it."

So, one can assume from this that the curtains were drawn when Kate entered the bedroom.

Are we to believe an abductor clambered out of the bedroom window with Madeleine in his arms and then leant back through the window to pull the curtains together?

Surely unbelievable but consistent with the McCanns original story that the abductor gained entry by forcing the shutters on the windows and left by the front door, which they originally reported to friends and relatives as being left open. The 'abductor' may well have closed the curtains behind him in that scenario to hide what he was doing.

However, this explanation is found wanting when considered with the lack of evidence of a break-in and Clarence Mitchell’s confirmation on RTE’S Prime Time that "There was no evidence of a break-in".

But what of Gerry’s statement that he "realised that one could lift the blinds without effort and almost no noise." Could this be another later 'add-on' after realising that the blinds/shutters are impossible to open from the outside and that there could be fingerprints on it?

Also Gerry mentions he rushed to the apartment by 'the same path as always'. Yet it has been previously stated that this was the first night they had left the patio doors unlocked. On previous nights it has been claimed they entered by the front door, but fearing that the sound of the key in the lock would wake the sleeping children they decided that night to enter through the patio doors.

But such fine detail and knowledge of the events will be lost on casual newspaper readers who may simply have no desire or time to read further into the case than the information presented before them. So the PR damage on such fine detail is nil.

And what of the statement attributed in this leak to Jane Tanner? Does this reveal that these are not actually the original statements but later enhanced versions?

The Sun reports, in its coverage of the leak, that Jane Tanner told Portuguese police in her original statement she thought a man she spotted carrying a child moments after Madeleine disappeared, was the youngster's father.

Yet, how can this be when the original description issued by the police, and reiterated by Gerry McCann in a press statement, over two weeks later, was that the man was "carrying a child or an object that could have been taken as a child". How could there be ambiguity when Tanner had, we are led to believe through this leak, not only identified the 'object' as a child but also the carrier as the childs father?

Indeed, Martin Brunt has reported that when Jane Tanner first spoke to police she said "I'm not sure if he was carrying anything." So, is this evidence that these 'original' leaked statements, which have conveniently just appeared, are not quite as original as they seem? And who would benefit most from this?

So, what can we say about the disadvantages of such a leak as this to the McCanns?

Well, very little actually. True, for one day, a few newspaper headlines will superficially look bad for the McCanns but Clarence Mitchell has already been hard at work dismissing the reports as a 'blatant smear" by the PJ. Tomorrow will be a different set of headlines and today's papers will be lining the beds of rabbits and hamsters tomorrow.

Did the headlines the Express Group ran over a sustained period affect people’s perceptions of the case? Personally, I doubt it. Because the very next day a contrary headline would be run and people are now so anaesthetised by 'shocking' newspaper headlines in this case that they are going to shrug them off as folly until a charge is made or the case is dropped. Headlines in papers simply reinforce already held beliefs or they wash off people's backs.

That the headlines took away attention from the McCanns championing of the Amber Alert System in Brussels was really neither here nor there. The cause may well be a noble one and if it recovers one child it will have been worth it. But for the McCanns it is an expendable side issue. Something that could be comfortably sacrificed for the opportunity to sacrifice the PJ in the media.

It is also interesting to note that beyond the 'paper selling' headlines, the UK press are still using the leak to belittle and undermine public perception of the work of the PJ. The PJ have worked diligently, conscientiously and patiently in the face of continued abuse.

Clarence Mitchell has grasped this opportunity to slam the PJ for leaking these statements. And a 'friend' has grasped the opportunity to brand anyone who dares to question the McCanns as 'vultures'.

And the PJ?

Alipio Ribeiro, when interviewed by El Pais in October 2007, said this about the continued criticism of the PJ through the McCanns spokespersons:

"Yes, but they talked with the family and the press, not with the police. And it must be understood that the British press also works in this way. They made unfair remarks but we cannot react to this on a daily basis and play ping pong, the PJ against the British press. We are not interested in this game: We have a different tradition to theirs, one of less communication and the judicial secrecy that restricts us."

To suggest that the PJ are behind this leak is an insult to all the hard work and diligence they have displayed over the long months of the inquiry.

Only one group of people benefits from this leak and its fallout: The McCanns. Albeit on a superficial and short term level.

Those of us passionately concerned about securing truth and justice for Madeleine - as opposed to those whose only concern appears to be clearing the McCanns of their arguido status - should actually be heartened by the events of yesterday and today.

For it shows that the McCanns and their team have only the battlegrounds of PR and spin on which to fight.

Justice for Madeleine will not be served by a newspaper headline or a man in a pink shirt.

It will be served in law.

And that process continues...
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snijdt wel hout idd, alleen al die opmerking die Maddie gemaakt zouhebben aan het ontbijt.. klinkt idd wel erg 'grown up' voor een 3 jarige... zou idd enkel maar een alibi kunnen zijn.
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Interessante case. Ik heb niet alles gevolgd, maar is er ergens ook nog een theorie dat Maddy niet is vermoord, maar het slachtoffer is geworden van kidnapping en mensenhandel?
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Op zaterdag 12 april 2008 14:14 schreef mrBhimself het volgende:
Interessante case. Ik heb niet alles gevolgd, maar is er ergens ook nog een theorie dat Maddy niet is vermoord, maar het slachtoffer is geworden van kidnapping en mensenhandel?
Hey allemaal, .

Ja dat is idd ook een theorie, het is alleen jammer dat de McCanns zelf niet alles open en eerlijk vertellen en dat er nog zoveel vragen niet beantwoord zijn, plus het feit dat ze de 3 kinderen alleen in een onafgesloten appartement hebben laten slapen zodat zij met vrienden uitgebreid konden gaan zitten eten.
Dus eigenlijk dat ze op bestelling van een pedoring of illegale adoptiepersonen is geroofd, dat hebben de ouders dan dus gefaciliteerd in mijn ogen door gewoon weg te gaan en de deur open te laten ivm brandgevaar, terwijl er babysitters te huur waren daar en er een oppasservice was waar de kinderen heengebracht hadden kunnen worden.
Het argument was dat ze geen vreemde op de kinderen wilden laten passen, terwijl ze overdag de kids gerust uren achter elkaar bij de kidsclub dumpten, saillant detail: de zelfde mensen van de kidsclub kon je 's avonds inhuren als oppas.....
Een andere theorie is nog dat Maddy uit bed is gekomen, heeft gezien dat haar ouders er niet waren en naar buiten is gelopen om daar net de verkeerde persoon tegen te komen.

Suko, het begint echt walgelijke vormen aan te nemen dat gedraai, gelieg en geneuzel, die zogenaamde 'lekken' zijn gescript door CM en worden braaf uitgemolken, nu zijn de McConns weer zielig en kunnen ze weer braaf verder met aandacht zoeken.
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Het rondje anorak van vandaag:
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Madeleine McCann: McCanns Admit, Liverpool Echo Wins And A Missing Child
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann

DAILY EXPRESS (front page): “MADELEINE – McCANNS: OUR MISTAKE”

The paper says that Kate and Gerry McCann admit being wrong in leaving Madeleine in their holiday apartment.

THE SUN: Leaks, smears … now plane lies”

MADELEINE McCann’s parents yesterday blasted claims they and the Tapas Seven had demanded a private jet and five-star hotels to return to Portugal.

So the Mail on Sunday was wrong?

McCanns’ spokesman Clarence Mitchell angrily denied the paper’s report. He said: “No such demands have been made. All talk of private jets and five-star hotels is complete rubbish.”

DAILY MAIL: “Portuguese police leaks are ’shameless smears’ to discredit us, say McCanns”

Police in Portugal supposedly operate in total secrecy and officers, suspects and even witnesses face jail if they speak out about ongoing investigations. But behind the scenes, officers have briefed selected journalists with a series of sensationalised claims about the 11-month hunt for Madeleine.

The McCanns have endured wild allegations that they could have drugged their children or even dumped Madeleine’s body during a publicity visit to Spain. But they are especially furious about the timing of the latest leak, which derailed a planned trip to the European Parliament to call for an improved alert system for missing children.

DAILY MIRROR (front page): “THE GLOVES ARE OFF.”

“Kate and Gerry McCann’s fury over ‘blatant’ Portuguese police leaks”

Madeleine was crying.

Says Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns’ spokesman:

“Their awareness had risen but their system failed. They were incredibly unlucky but they made a mistake. There is no getting away from it.

“Nobody, but nobody, regrets it more than they do. And if, God forbid, Madeleine is never found they will have to live with it for the rest of their lives. But, let us not forget, the person who is really responsible is the person who took Madeleine.”


The McCanns are good parents:

Says Mitchell: “This is a blatant and timed attempt against Kate and Gerry to try to divert attention onto negative headlines questioning their suitability as parents.

DAILY STAR (front page): “MADDIE’S PARENTS CLEARED IN DAYS.”

Maybe. Well, there is no case againt them.

THE INDEPENDENT: “McCanns demand inquiry over leak”

In the early stages of the Madeleine inquiry, Portuguese police frequently cited their secrecy of justice laws to explain why they could not answer journalists’ questions.

But Portuguese newspapers printed a series of articles, quoting anonymous “police sources”, that shed light on how the case was developing.

The stories often proved to be accurate, and respected Portuguese reporters confirmed that senior detectives were leaking information to them

DAILY TELEGRAPH: “McCanns may refuse to attend reconstruction”

Those leaked police reports:

Says their spokesman Clarence Mitchell: “It’s a blatant attempt to question their suitability as parents. We’re not happy — the gloves are off now.”


LIVERPOOL ECHO: “Your ECHO wins a hat-trick of media awards”

Chief feature writer Paddy Shennan was named Feature Writer of the Year at the O2 Media Awards for Cheshire and Merseyside.

Paddy’s entry included a touching interview with Madeleine McCann’s grandparents.
Newspapers can be winners with the McCanns. And Losers.

Madeleine McCann: Sex, Lies and Video
http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/182925.html

Natuurlijk, om je heen gaan schoppen en preventief in de aanval, echt ouders van een vermist meisje, mensen die er alles aan willen doen om hun dochter weer gezond en wel in de armen te sluiten, niets te verbergen hebben en volledig meewerken met de PJ om de zaak op te lossen.
Vraag 1: Waarom weet de Portugese politie nog niet het hele verhaal van de aanloop naar de constatering van de vermissing?
Vraag 2: Hoe kan het dat de ouders, die nog steeds verdachten zijn, zoveel noten op hun zang hebben en steeds maar weer de behoefte voelen hun eigen kont schoon te praten ipv zich druk te maken over hun kind dat nu al bijna een jaar weg is?
Vraag 3: Wat is de rol van CM in deze zaak, maw welk belang heeft hij bij dit hele gedoe?


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Op zaterdag 12 april 2008 16:42 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Natuurlijk, om je heen gaan schoppen en preventief in de aanval, echt ouders van een vermist meisje, mensen die er alles aan willen doen om hun dochter weer gezond en wel in de armen te sluiten, niets te verbergen hebben en volledig meewerken met de PJ om de zaak op te lossen.
Vraag 1: Waarom weet de Portugese politie nog niet het hele verhaal van de aanloop naar de constatering van de vermissing?
Vraag 2: Hoe kan het dat de ouders, die nog steeds verdachten zijn, zoveel noten op hun zang hebben en steeds maar weer de behoefte voelen hun eigen kont schoon te praten ipv zich druk te maken over hun kind dat nu al bijna een jaar weg is?
Vraag 3: Wat is de rol van CM in deze zaak, maw welk belang heeft hij bij dit hele gedoe?

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Tja, Kahaarin, die vragen zijn nog steeds niet beantwoord, na bijna een jaar notabene. Elke actie die ze tot nu toe ondernamen/nemen en waar ze zich volledig voor inzetten, is niet gericht op het zoeken naar Madeleine.

Heb gisteren een hoax-theorie gelezen van ene Logicman op het http://www.the3arguidos.net < sinds gisteravond geheel plat, toevallig??? Al eerder, eind vorig jaar, had hij deze theorie gepost op het Mirror-forum maar niet veel later is toen de hele sectie Madeleine gedelete en mag er daar niet meer over worden gepost. Die Hoax-therorie ging er voornamelijk om dat alles is bedacht uit geldelijk gewin. 'Ontvoerd' door vrienden, business associates, mogelijk zelfs familie en mogelijk een Nanny. Funds, Rewards, Internet shops, New businesses, Media spots, Religious stunts, Child welfare careers etc etc liggen open. Toen zou als 'wonder' Madeleine worden gevonden. Hij gaat er nu vanuit dat er iets is mis gegaan want de speurhonden Keela en Eddy werden in aug. 2007 ingezet, mét resultaat. Maar de show must go on. Dat blijkt wel uit het volgende:
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Anyway, om op die hoax-theorie terug te komen. Eén van die Tapas-vrienden had al de bibbers, er speelt idd misschien veel meer, want wat meldde de advocaat van die persoon, een best wel nog steeds interessant artikel:
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“The lobby surrounding the McCann is frightening” (Full story from "El Mundo", November 11, 2007) “My client must keep secret what he can do help the search for the truth and this is not due to the law secrecy in Portugal. That is is quite revealing of the strange circumstances around this case”, says the lawyer of one of the two McCann friends that were at Tapas Bar, on the night of May 3, and decided to have a close cooperation with Police, as “El Mundo” published, last Tuesday. “He is not afraid of the McCann but the economic and political lobby that exists, around that couple, frightens any person.”

“Police was called only after the group analysed the problems they could face for having left the children alone and until now, my client had no chance to talk for himself”, the London-based lawyer said. Since September, he represents one of the two friends of the McCann that contacted police and asked for an opportunity to be requestioned, in order to correct some details and discrepancies of the statements made by the group of nine persons that were on holidays at Ocean Club. “What my client wants is to get the truth out – meaning, he is not there to accuse or to clear anyone, that's a police job. He just wants to help police to know the truth about what happened before, during and after that diner, on May 3.”

Asked to comment the denial from Clarence Mitchell, the McCann spokesman who claimed he has been in touch with all the seven McCann friends and all of them told they gave no instructions to their lawyers to contact police and be requestioned, the British lawyer said: “When you look at all the pressure that has been put up over him and others, it's natural that my client would not tell Clarence Mitchell he decided to have his own legal representation and a more close cooperation with police.”

A strong critic of the Media frenzy about Madeleine's disappearance, the lawyer of this member of Tapas group considers that the case is “much more serious” than most people thinks: “I don't want to accuse anyone, but there are people close to the McCann that is not really helping them. However, my client intention is to bring the truth out, in this sad story, no matter who gets hurt.”

The support the McCann had from the Government is another aspect the lawyer criticises: “I understand that our Government had the legal obligation to help the McCann. What I don't understand is that they received such a help that goes further and over anything that would be normal, for a case like this. But, since the the first hours, it was clear that Madeleine's case was not just a normal police case. My client had no support, at all, from the British authorities – only through the McCann couple.”

Questioned about the British Government involvement and political connections related with the case, the London-based lawyer said: “It's not my job to explain why and how politicians had intervened in this case, but I'm afraid that those interventions have been prejudicial not only to my client, but also to the search for the truth.” Joana Morais
Mogelijk gaat het om David Payne. Al eerder werd gemeld dat sommige hun verklaringen wilden aanpassen waaronder Payne. Zou zomaar kunnen dat ze die solidariteit jegens de McCanns zat zijn, last van geweten en zo, willen van die verdenkingen af, weet je veel...

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Police chief tells of anger over 'crying Maddie' leak Daily Mail
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Portugal's top policeman has told friends of Kate and Gerry McCann of his regret that witness statements by the couple were leaked to the media.

One excerpt suggested that on the morning of her disappearance, Madeleine said: "Mummy, why didn't you come when we were crying last night?" The couple were furious and have accused the Portuguese police of attempting to slur them as they approach the anniversary of their daughter's disappearance on May 3.

Heartbroken: The McCanns are outraged by the latest leaks from the Portuguese police, which were timed to derail their trip to the European Parliament in Brussels this week he leak to a Spanish television station overshadowed the McCanns' visit on Thursday to Brussels where they called for a European rapid alert system for abducted children.

But it was revealed yesterday that Alipio Ribeiro, national director of the Policia Judiciaria, had interrupted interviews in Leicestershire with the "Tapas Seven" to tell the McCanns' friends of his own anger at the leak. Mr Ribeiro returned a day early to Portugal on Friday after several days interrogating the friends who were on holiday with the McCanns in Praia da Luz last year.

A source said: "The matter came up in the interviews with Kate and Gerry's friends and Ribeiro was embarrassed by it. "The leaks came as he was out of the country and he was angry about it. He also referred to it when speaking with Leicestershire police."

One of the McCanns' friends, Jane Tanner, who claimed to have seen a man carrying Madeleine away on the night of the child's disappearance, endured ten hours of questioning by Leicestershire police. Yesterday she spoke out against claims in Portuguese newspapers that she and her friends had demanded a private plane to take them back to Praia da Luz for a reconstruction requested by the Portuguese authorities.

"If it wasn't such a serious matter, some of the things that are being said about us would be laughable," she said. "The authorities should be out there looking for Madeleine rather than being distracted by any of these ridiculous and made-up stories about us."

Meanwhile, The Mail on Sunday has learned that Robert Murat will remain a formal suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann for at least a further three months. The 34-year-old had hoped that the decision by the Portuguese police to allow him to travel to visit his daughter in Britain two weeks ago was a sign that the "arguido" status was soon to be lifted.

However, Mr Murat has been informed that his suspect status will be extended until August when the McCanns' similar arguido status will also be considered. It also appears that the McCanns are not planning to return to Portugal for the reconstruction. They do not believe there would be any purpose to it unless filmed as part of a Crimewatch-style programme but that has been ruled out by the authorities.

* Note: In this article, the Daily Mail has incorrectly identified Alipio Ribeiro as being the Portuguese officer involved. Although he is the national director of the PJ, this should read Paulo Rebelo who was the officer in attendance at the Tapas Group interviews. This is either poorly researched journalism or it reveals that the source for this story has a weak knowledge of the case. It is worth noting that there are no direct quotes in this article from any PJ officers. Bron
Waarbij ik zelf er nog maar aan toevoeg dat die boosheid van Mr.Paulo Rebelo ook kan betreffen dat iemand anders heeft gelekt naar dat Spaanse tv-station dan de Portugese politie, er staat in dit artikel nergens dat hij boos/embarrassed is op zijn Portugese collega's, dus kan het ook iets of iemand anders zijn. Heb gisteren al ergens gelezen dat Spanish journalist Nacho Abad van dat tv-station mensen kent van Metodo 3, het zou mij niets verbazen...

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Madeleine 'suspect' in massive libel claim Guardian
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British media face record payout as family of 'arguido' demand public apology and damages

Mark Townsend and Ned Temko The Observer, Sunday April 13 2008
This article appeared in the Observer on Sunday April 13 2008 on p3 of the News section.
It was last updated at 00:06 on April 13 2008.

A British expatriate who was named as a formal suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is launching one of the largest libel claims in the history of the British media.

Robert Murat lists 11 newspapers and one TV station in his demand for damages, which litigation lawyers believe could lead to a record cumulative payout of more than £2m. It is the largest number of separate libel claims made by one person against the British media on the same issue.

Murat, 34, who lived close to the Praia da Luz apartment in Portugal where Madeleine went missing, was made an arguido, or formal suspect, after a British tabloid reporter voiced her concerns to Portuguese police shortly after the child disappeared. The Sunday Mirror journalist claimed that Murat's behaviour was reminiscent of Soham murderer Ian Huntley.

Almost a year after Madeleine's disappearance, the Murat family are now seeking a formal public apology and undisclosed damages from the British media in light of what one relative yesterday described as 'unfair stains on the name of a man against whom there is not a shred of evidence'. They are understood to be particularly aggrieved at sections of the British press which repeated a range of 'outlandish' and frequently lurid allegations that appeared in the Portuguese press after he was named an arguido.

A statement from a London-based firm of solicitors, Simons Muirhead and Burton, confirmed it was 'representing Robert Murat in respect of a number of libel actions against Sky, the Daily Express, the Sunday Express, the Daily Star, the Daily Mail, the Evening Standard, the Metro, the Daily Mirror, the Sunday Mirror, the News of the World, the Sun and the Scotsman'. Simons Muirhead and Burton, which specialises in media litigation, would not comment further on the case. Media lawyer and litigation expert Caroline Kean of media law specialists Wiggin said that if Murat successfully argued that the articles inferred that he was involved in the abduction or murder of Madeleine then his claims could result in a record payout. 'You could expect at least £200,000 per paper, per claim, and that would clear £2m,' she said.
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Sources close to Murat said a number of graphic and damaging claims made in the British press were never substantiated and in at least one case - the allegation that there were pornographic images on his computer - have led to a media correction in Portugal. His family are also upset about a number of other reports by the British papers or on TV - including what they say was an utterly untrue suggestion that Murat has a glass eye and had removed it 'as a party trick' while at school.

Although Murat, 34, remains an arguido, police recently returned a computer, clothing and other items taken by police from the Murat home, where he lives with his mother Jennifer less than 100 metres from the apartment where Madeleine disappeared.

In addition, Portuguese police have approved an extended trip to England to visit his three-year-old daughter - raising the Murat family's hopes that his arguido status will soon be ended. Murat has always vehemently denied any involvement with the disappearance of Madeleine with some believing he is merely a maligned scapegoat in a bungled investigation.

It is not surprising that the media is now facing a huge damages claim, as it was British journalists who first suggested Murat might be involved in Madeleine's disappearance. Sunday Mirror reporter Lori Campbell wrote an article headlined 'Why I shopped Maddy suspect' in which she claimed: 'There was an evasiveness and unease about Murat that left me feeling extremely uncomfortable.' Murat, a self-employed property developer, told her that he was assisting the police and had offered his services as a translator.

On 14 May 2007, Murat was questioned by Portuguese police and became the first person to be declared an official suspect. On the same day Campbell told Sky News: 'It was just very reminiscent of the Soham murders, that was my first thought. He was hanging around, asking us questions and maybe trying to find out what we knew.'

The following day police seized laptops and other material. For almost four months Murat remained the only arguido. Then in a dramatic development in early September Portuguese police named Madeleine's parents - Kate and Gerry - as arguidos, a move that sparked a slew of allegations against the couple. Last month Express Newspapers issued front-page apologies to Madeleine's parents and paid £550,000 to the Find Madeleine campaign. The McCanns have refused to rule out libel action against other publications. Bron
Het zou toch een klap in het gezicht van de McCanns zijn als Murat dat bedrag echt zou krijgen, volgens mij maakt hij best een kans...

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Key Maddie witness U-turn The Sun
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THE most significant witness in the hunt for Maddie McCann has withdrawn her statement according to Portuguese newspaper reports.

Jane Tanner, 37, who had said she saw the man who took Maddie on the night of her disappearance has withdrawn her statement, 24 Horas claims. She has told Portuguese authorities she can no longer be sure the man she saw was carrying Madeleine.

According the the respected newspaper 'Jane Tanner saw a man but cannot say with precision what he was carrying'. Jane, one of the so-called Tapas Nine, had given detectives a detailed description of a man she saw, close to the ground floor corner apartment where the McCanns were staying on the night of her disappearance. She told them he was carrying a child wearing pink pyjamas -- the same thing Maddie was wearing that night.

Based on her account, the McCanns produced an artist's impression of the man, in the hope that it might jog the memory of other holidaymakers. The information was also used by police and private detectives employed by the McCann's in the search for Maddie.

The leaked story will be a massive blow to Kate and Gerry McCann as they try to renew the search for their daughter nearly a year after her disappearance. The pair were already considering pulling out of plans to return to Portugal to help police reconstruct the events around their daughter Madeleine's disappearance amid a furious row over leaked interviews.

The McCanns believe transcripts of statements they gave to detectives in the hours after their daughter went missing on May 3 last year were deliberately slipped to the media by the Portuguese authorities. The excerpts include the disclosure that Madeleine and her brother Sean apparently woke up crying the night before the three-year-old's disappearance, but her parents did not hear her as they were in a nearby restaurant.

The interviews disclosed that Madeleine asked Kate, 39, at breakfast on May 3: "Mummy, why didn't you come when we were crying last night?" The couple are demanding a full internal investigation from the Portuguese Ministry of Justice into whether the detail was deliberately passed to a Spanish journalist to "smear" them on the day they launched a campaign in Brussels for a new Europe-wide child alert system.

Their local MP Stephen Dorrell has pledged to raise the matter with the Foreign Office and it is understood the McCanns' Portuguese lawyers will be protesting to the relevant authorities there. Their spokesman Clarence Mitchell called for the Portuguese government to "get a grip" of the leaks.

It emerged yesterday that Paulo Rebelo, the detective leading the case, has already flown back to Portugal from the UK - a day earlier than expected. Mr Mitchell said he hoped this meant Mr Rebelo had gone back "to crack some skulls".
His team of Portuguese police has been in the UK all week sitting in on interviews with the McCanns' friends who were dining with them at the time of Madeleine's disappearance. Bron + 24 Horas
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  zondag 13 april 2008 @ 15:05:36 #72
145755 kahaarin
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Op zaterdag 12 april 2008 21:09 schreef Suko het volgende:

Tja, Kahaarin, die vragen zijn nog steeds niet beantwoord, na bijna een jaar notabene. Elke actie die ze tot nu toe ondernamen/nemen en waar ze zich volledig voor inzetten, is niet gericht op het zoeken naar Madeleine.
Inderdaad, je hoort ze alleen over zichzelf en over hoe zwaar ze het hebben met de pers en wat ze allemaal bekokstoven met een soort van Amber alert in het Europees Parlement, wat doen ze nu concreet aan het zoeken naar Maddy? Ook de mensen die gedoneerd hebben aahet Maddy-fund krijgen daar geen antwoord op zoals al eerder is gepost, het is alsof ze Maddy hebben opgegeven en nu aan het kijken zijn hoe ze dit zo ver mogelijk uit kunnen melken.
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Heb gisteren een hoax-theorie gelezen van ene Logicman op het http://www.the3arguidos.net < sinds gisteravond geheel plat, toevallig??? Al eerder, eind vorig jaar, had hij deze theorie gepost op het Mirror-forum maar niet veel later is toen de hele sectie Madeleine gedelete en mag er daar niet meer over worden gepost. Die Hoax-therorie ging er voornamelijk om dat alles is bedacht uit geldelijk gewin. 'Ontvoerd' door vrienden, business associates, mogelijk zelfs familie en mogelijk een Nanny. Funds, Rewards, Internet shops, New businesses, Media spots, Religious stunts, Child welfare careers etc etc liggen open. Toen zou als 'wonder' Madeleine worden gevonden. Hij gaat er nu vanuit dat er iets is mis gegaan want de speurhonden Keela en Eddy werden in aug. 2007 ingezet, mét resultaat. Maar de show must go on.
Het bericht waar ik de foto van maddy in mijn vorige post uit heb gehaald is ook weg, dat ging over de verhoren, deleten van posts doen ze nog steeds dus.

Die hoax theorie hebben we idd al eerder voorbij zien komen, dat zou kunnen verklaren dat Gerry & Kate haar niet zoeken, alleen denk ik dat zoiets wel eerder uitgekomen zou zijn, wat wel zou kunnen is dat Maddy zoek is geraakt/gemaakt door degenen die haar in opdracht van de McCanns zouden hebben ontvoerd, dat lijkt me trouwens ook sterk, nee, ik blijf hangen bij faciliteren van een ontvoerder door de McCanns doordat ze de kinderen alleen achter hebben gelaten, de tweeling is nog zo klein en hebben nog te veel verzorging nodig.
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Anyway, om op die hoax-theorie terug te komen. Eén van die Tapas-vrienden had al de bibbers, er speelt idd misschien veel meer, want wat meldde de advocaat van die persoon, een best wel nog steeds interessant artikel:

Mogelijk gaat het om David Payne. Al eerder werd gemeld dat sommige hun verklaringen wilden aanpassen waaronder Payne. Zou zomaar kunnen dat ze die solidariteit jegens de McCanns zat zijn, last van geweten en zo, willen van die verdenkingen af, weet je veel...

Net gelezen: http://www.the3arguidos.net/ : "Announcements from Admin ** UPDATE ** To cope with increased traffic the site is now only available to registered users. Please feel free to join in and register a account to view and contribute to the forum.
Dat registreren komt imho bij de McCanns weg, die willen weten wie er commentaar heeft en als mensen die niet geregistreerd staan delen van commentaren copieren en verder verspreiden (zoals wij doen. ) hebben ze daar geen controle op.

Het is inderdaad naar om te zien hoe de Tapas 7 onder controle staan, Jane heeft nu toe moeten geven dat ze niet zeker weet dat ze iemand met Maddy heeft zien lopen, hopelijk hebben de anderen ook geen blad voor de mond gehouden tijdens de verhoren en hebben ze meer duidelijkheid kunnen scheppen.
Echt misselijkmakend dat die zo onder druk worden gezet om maar vooral niet tegen de McCanns te doen.
Zoals het nu lijkt heeft team McCann dingen gelekt die niet zo schadelijk zijn en is de pers daar bovenop gedoken, als er nu nog meer, wel schadelijke, info lekt kunnen ze roepen dat het onderzoek niet eerlijk verloopt, heel slim van CM, hopelijk vinden ze degene die heeft gelekt (ik denk ook dat metodo3 er een vinger in de pap heeft) , dan kan de PJ zeggen dat het niet uit zijn politieapparaat is gelekt, dan hebben de McConns geen poot om op te staan.
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Waar zou ze toch zijn .
Pretentieus geneuzel.
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Op zondag 13 april 2008 15:05 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

>knip<

Dat registreren komt imho bij de McCanns weg, die willen weten wie er commentaar heeft en als mensen die niet geregistreerd staan delen van commentaren copieren en verder verspreiden (zoals wij doen. ) hebben ze daar geen controle op.

Het is inderdaad naar om te zien hoe de Tapas 7 onder controle staan, Jane heeft nu toe moeten geven dat ze niet zeker weet dat ze iemand met Maddy heeft zien lopen, hopelijk hebben de anderen ook geen blad voor de mond gehouden tijdens de verhoren en hebben ze meer duidelijkheid kunnen scheppen.
Echt misselijkmakend dat die zo onder druk worden gezet om maar vooral niet tegen de McCanns te doen.
Zoals het nu lijkt heeft team McCann dingen gelekt die niet zo schadelijk zijn en is de pers daar bovenop gedoken, als er nu nog meer, wel schadelijke, info lekt kunnen ze roepen dat het onderzoek niet eerlijk verloopt, heel slim van CM, hopelijk vinden ze degene die heeft gelekt (ik denk ook dat metodo3 er een vinger in de pap heeft) , dan kan de PJ zeggen dat het niet uit zijn politieapparaat is gelekt, dan hebben de McConns geen poot om op te staan.
Wat betreft dat registreren op http://the3arguidos.net/, volgens mij hebben ze last gehad van een DDos-attack (uitleg), iets waar ze in het verleden ook al last van hebben gehad, maar aan de andere kant, de tengels van het team McCann kunnen ver reiken, misschien heb je gelijk. En zeker, hoe meer slur en smear gepubliceerd wordt (doe eigen toedoen IMO) hoe meer de kans op het verstoren van het onderzoek én een eventuele rechtszaak, ook onderdeel van hun techniek. Ik ga zelfs zover om te denken dat het bericht over Jane Tanner uit The Sun (24 Horas), dat ze haar statement heeft gewijzigd ook niet klopt, dat zijn toch eigenlijk pro-McCann-kranten. Vorig jaar zomer heeft tenminste 24 Horas een gesprek met Mitchell gehad wat betreft de berichtgeving, dus dat zegt eigenlijk al genoeg. The Mirror en collega tabbies waaronder The People schrijven dat de cops met lege handen naar Portugal zijn afgereisd, er zijn geen statements veranderd. Veel dezelfde verhalen, dat zegt ook al genoeg, he Mitchell! Dus waarom zou The Sun/24 Horas dan iets anders schrijven.... Ook een manier (wel/niet veranderen van statements) om het onderzoek te frustreren én het publiek te verwarren! Ook de Daily Mail schrijft over die lege handjes van de PJ waarbij Nige (van mccannfiles.com) als commentaar geeft:
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Note:
1) This report is completely without foundation and based on the two words 'expected' and 'likely' and the unquoted words of an unnamed source.

2) The headline places 'found no new evidence' in parenthesis, to imply the words are a direct quote. Yet those words are not a direct quote - they have been written by the Mail themselves based on the words of this unnamed source who may, or may not, have actually said them.

3) This is a sensational claim - why would the source wish to remain anonymous? The only explanation is that they do not wish their name to be identified with something that has no basis in fact.

4) Yet again, the Mail, and their unnamed source, are unable to differentiate between Paulo Rebelo and Alipio Ribeiro.

5) Jane Tanner is quoted as follows: "If it wasn't such a serious matter, some of the things that are being said about us would be laughable," she said. "The authorities should be out there looking for Madeleine rather than being distracted by any of these ridiculous and made-up stories about us."

- The quote is presented in this article as a direct response to claims that the Tapas Seven wanted a private jet and 5-star hotels to return to Portugal for a reconstruction.

Yet, in the article that follows, in The People, it suggests the quote is a direct response to the recent police interviews and is used in that article to counter claims that Jane Tanner has changed her statement!

The article in the Sunday Mirror, further below by Lori Campbell, uses the quote ambiguously - mentioning both the claims that the Tapas Seven requested jets and 5-star hotels, as well as the claims that the police interviews yielded nothing new - and chooses not to directly link the quote to either but, in doing so, implies the quote is provided in support of the articles headline.

Interestingly, the words used in this quote, attributed to Ms Tanner, mirror very closely the statement made by Clarence Mitchell when he took over as full-time spokesman for the McCanns.
Tenslotte staat op de site van blogster Joana Morais een aantal opinie's die gaan over het alleen laten van je kids, een zinvolle discussie maar hier is wat anders aan de hand, wat mij er aan stoort is dat ze uitgaan van dit zinnetje: "Mummy, why didn't you come to us when we were crying?" IMO een bedenksel uit de koker van Clarence Mitchell, want zo'n zinnetje verklaar je als ouder niet in een politie-verhoor en een kind zegt dat op die manier al helemaal niet. En alleen bedoeld om aan te tonen dat Madeleine op 3 mei nog leefde, waar velen niet in geloven. En ook gaat één artikel er vanuit dat Madeleine gesnatched is, iets waar ik al helemaal niet in geloof. Zou Joana Morais in de val zijn gelopen?
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Op zondag 13 april 2008 20:42 schreef roooosje het volgende:
Waar zou ze toch zijn .
Volgens mij weten alleen de McCanns en mogelijk wat vrienden. familie, wáár Madeleine is. IMO, in zee, dé plek, waar menselijke resten al gauw weg zijn...

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  maandag 14 april 2008 @ 13:26:57 #75
145755 kahaarin
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One of the formal suspects in the Madeleine McCann case is to sue 12 media outlets in what may be one of the largest libel claims in the history of the British media.

Robert Murat is demanding damages from 11 newspapers and one TV station. It is the largest number of claims ever made against different British media outlets on the same issue.

Simons Muirhead and Burton, a London-based law firm, confirmed it was "representing Robert Murat in respect of a number of libel actions".

The case is being brought against Sky, the Daily Express, Sunday Express, Daily Star, Daily Mail, Evening Standard, Metro, Daily Mirror, Sunday Mirror, News of the World, Sun and the Scotsman.

Murat, who lived close to the Praia da Luz apartment in Portugal where Madeleine went missing, was the first formal suspect, or arguido, named in the McCann case and has denied any involvement in her disappearance last May. He has been the subject of relentless media scrutiny since a Sunday Mirror journalist expressed concerns about the 34-year-old property developer to Portuguese police shortly after Madeleine went missing.


Remember

Francisco Pagarete, Murat's lawyer in Portugal, said he could not comment on the British legal case but that Murat's decision to pursue damages was understandable. "After what was reported, it is very easy to understand this decision."

Last month Express Newspapers was forced to run a front page apology to Gerry and Kate McCann as part of a libel settlement, over suggestions that they were involved in her disappearance. The group paid £550,000 in damages to the Find Madeleine fund.

Media lawyer and litigation expert Dan Tench, a partner at Olswang solicitors, described allegations made in the Portuguese press and repeated in British outlets as "a media feeding frenzy that at times paid little regard to the legal niceties".

The case was likely to centre on whether the media alleged that Murat was somehow implicated in Madeleine's disappearance or simply provided a fair and accurate report of proceedings in a foreign court, he said.

Tench added that the maximum recovery for a normal libel claim is thought to be about £200,000. Given the repetition of claims and nature of the allegations, a total payout could top £1m.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/apr/14/madeleinemccann.medialaw?gusrc=rss&feed=uknews

Dus Murat heeft de kranten idd aangeklaagd, gelukkig voor hem heeft de zaak van de McCanns tegen de kranten al een precedent geschapen, hij heeft best wel een kans dat ook hij geld gaat vangen, op de één of andere manier vind ik het meer terecht dat hij geld krijgt dan dat ik het de McCanns gun, er is geen bewijs tegen hem en hij heeft de kids niet alleen achter gelaten, zijn leven is onder een microscoop gelegd en er is ik weet niet hoe veel rotzooi over hem geschreven, ook heeft hij zijn kindje een jaar niet kunnen zien en zijn ex en zijn dochter zijn bedreigd door de aanhang van de McCann clan.

Alleen vind ik het wel jammer dat er nu weer alleen dingen over die claim geschreven worden, net alsof er weer iets verborgen moet worden, hopelijk komt er nu snel noeuws naar buiten over de stand van zaken.
Het enige bewijs van een ontvoering, de uitspraken van Jane Tanner over die 'mystery man' zijn teruggetrokken, wat blijft er dan nog over?
-Het DNA in de auto.
-De lijklucht die de snifferdogs hebben geroken.
-De inconsistancies in de statements.
-Het geheimzinnige gedoe van de Tapas 9.
-De weigering om mee te doen aan een reconstructie als de arguidostatus niet wordt opgeheven.

Hmmm, Suko kan wel eens gelijk hebben Rooosje, de enigen die weten wat er precies is voorgevallen zijn de McCanns, en die houden hun kaken op elkaar.
Ik vind het echt moeilijk te verteren dat Maddy door haar ouders is omgebracht, een ongeluk en het verstoppen daarvan zou in mijn ogen ook uitgekomen moeten zijn, blijft over de hoax theorie of ontvoering op bestelling, waar de ouders door hun lakse houding overigens zelf debet aan zijn.
De tijd zal het leren, zolang er nog over wordt geschreven en er nog vragen zijn zal ik dit blijven volgen.
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  maandag 14 april 2008 @ 18:36:58 #76
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Madeleine Police Deny Interview Leaks
Updated:17:26, Monday April 14, 2008

Portuguese police have hit back at Kate and Gerry McCann - denying claims they leaked information about their daughter's disappearance.

Gerry and Kate McCannThe war of words intensified as detectives said allegations they had passed information to the media were "baseless".

The Policia Judiciaria (PJ) issued a rare public statement singling out the couple's spokesman Clarence Mitchell, who angrily demanded an inquiry into how interview transcripts came into the public domain.

Damaging excerpts from the couple's first police interviews were broadcast on Spanish TV on the day the couple went to Brussels to launch a bid to introduce a new child alert system.

Madeleine and her brother Sean apparently woke up crying the night before the three-year-old's disappearance, but her parents did not hear her as they were in a nearby restaurant.

The interviews disclosed that Madeleine asked Kate at breakfast: "Mummy, why didn't you come when we were crying last night?"

Mr Mitchell suggested the transcripts had been deliberately leaked to overshadow the Brussels visit.

The leak also emerged as Portuguese detectives were in the UK attending interviews with witnesses who were dining with the McCanns when Madeleine went missing.

The Policia Judiciaria said in a statement: "We regret the baseless intervention of the spokesman above all at a moment when significant moves were being made in the investigation."

It added: "On the basis of this news, (he) publicly expressed the view, to diverse media outlets, his certainty that the PJ was responsible for the leaks.

"The PJ want to make it clear that is is entirely false that the contents of this report included material from the inquiry which is covered by (the law of) secrecy of justice
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http://news.sky.com/skyne(...)312853,00.html?f=rss

Oeh, hebben ze hier meegelezen?

Hij ontkent dus dat het bij de PJ vandaan komt.
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Op maandag 14 april 2008 18:36 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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http://news.sky.com/skyne(...)312853,00.html?f=rss

Oeh, hebben ze hier meegelezen?

Hij ontkent dus dat het bij de PJ vandaan komt.
Ha ha, das was al vrij snel duidelijk dat het alleen maar uit de koker kán komen van Clarence Mitchell, alleen al vanwege dat belachelijk zinnetje dat op 3 mei bij het ontbijt door Madeleine zou zijn geuit: ""Mummy, why didn't you come to us when we were crying?" Zelfs de BBC (dikke maatjes van CM) plaatst de verontwaardiging. Nog even maar de officiële verklaring van de PJ, speciaal voor 'smearlap' Clarence Mitchell :

Polícia Judiciária issues statement about Madeleine case (vertaling Joana Morais)

From the Policia Judiciaria website:
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Madeleine McCann case": Clarification on false contents of a news piece 2008/04/14

At the end of last week, the Spanish television station Telecinco broadcast a news piece that reported that they had enjoyed exclusive access to alleged statements from the McCann couple to the "investigators" into the disappearance of the underage child, Madeleine.

Based on this news piece, the spokesman of this couple, Clarence Mitchell, expressed publicly, to several media, the certainty that the Policia Judiciaria had been responsible for its publication.

The Policia Judiciaria clarifies that it is entirely false that the contents of the news piece reproduces matter that is part of the inquiry, which is under judicial secrecy.

On the other hand, the Policia Judiciaria cannot fail to lament the baseless intervention of the spokesman, especially at a moment when significant diligences to the investigation were being carried out.

April 14, 2008 The National Directory
Zo is dat Kahaarin wat betreft Murat, al zal hij niet misschien het hele bedrag krijgen, de helft is ook al mooi, blijft toch meer dan de McCanns hebben ontvangen, alhoewel ze nog wel overdenken nog meer kranten aan te klagen, vooral nu Murat misschien gaat winnen...Ik weet natuurlijk niet of Madeine in zee is gedumpt maar dat zinnetje van Gerry McCann maakt misschien duidelijk alsof hij wéét dat ze nooit wordt gevonden, de zee laat geen menselijke resten ongemoeid....Uit een eerdere post 12 september 2007 "Find the body and prove we killed her." Dát artikel uit de Daily Mail is natuurlijk niet meer online, wél deels dus op FoK! (en helemaal op deze site)

Anyway, veel artikelen op met name blogs met verhalen van editors over het vermeende slechte moederschap van Kate McCann. Waar dan Gerry is in die verhalen...? Maar dat is voor mij niet interessant, want daar gaat het niet om, leidt wederom af van de real issue, en wel de dood/moord/verdwijning van Madeleine McCann, op 3 mei 2007, mogelijk al eerder bv op 2 mei. < Dé avond waarop Mrs. Fenn, buuv van de McCanns in Praia da Luz, Madeleine urenlang hoorde huilen.

Overigens is Murat wél bereid mee te werken aan de mogelijk lomende reconstructie in Praia da Luz, hintje naar de McCanns?
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Murat goes to the PJ's re-enactment 24horas
The Englishman did not impose any conditions to enter in the PJ's re-enactment

The first suspect of Maddie's disappearance wants to participate in the 'movie' of the re-enactment of the 3rd of Maay in Praia da Luz

Without fears and willing to help. This is the state of mind of Robert Murat, the Englishman that was constituted as the first arguido in the scope of the process connected with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, on the 3rd of May of 2007, of an apartment in Praia da Luz, Algarve. Like him, Sergey Malinka, a computer expert, was notified to participate, on the 15th and 16th of May, in a reconstruction of the alleged events that took place the day on which Maddie disappeared.

Malinka, so far, has not answered, but Murat has already told the authorities that he has no problem in helping and, contrary to Kate and Gerry McCann, parents of the child, and unlike the seven friends with whom they had dinner with in the Tapas Bar, on that fateful day, he did not impose any conditions to participate in the re-enactment.

Murat stays at home on the day of the re-enactment

"He was always at home with the mother. He just has to do the same that he did in that day and in many others that followed that day: to keep his mother company. The arguido status, which has damaged immensely his personal and professional life should have been lifted a long time ago, since it does not make any sense", revealed a source close to the arguido, however a judicial source assured that his status will remain up to until the time when an accusation is or is not done, which will only happen in the middle of July of 2008.

Meantime, Robert Murat, yesterday revealed that he is going to ask for compensation for slander to several British media organisations. The arguido wants to prosecute 11 British newspapers and the television channel Sky News for slander in a process that could lead to a cumulative payout of more than two million pounds (2,5 million euros). 34-year-old Robert Murat, lives with his mother in the Praia da Luz, in the Algarve, nearly a hundred metres away from the apartment from where Maddie disappeared.

It was an English journalist of the "Sunday Mirror", Lori Campbell, who pointed the attentions of the police towards Murat, as soon as she thought that he had a suspect behavior. In an article entitled "Murat fear: Why I told cops", the journalist explains: "There was an evasiveness and unease about Murat that left me feeling extremely uncomfortable". Robert Murat, for a long time was the only suspect in the investigation, and he was object to great attention by the press, which investigated his whole life and past. The arguido always insisted in his innocence, having affirmed that they made him "a scapegoat".

In a statement, the London-based firm of solicitors, Simons Muirhead and Burton, confirmed they were 'representing Robert Murat in respect of a number of libel actions against Sky, the Daily Express, the Sunday Express, the Daily Star, the Daily Mail, the Evening Standard, the Metro, the Daily Mirror, the Sunday Mirror, the News of the World, the Sun and the Scotsman'.

Facts

REMEMBER. To establish a record is the objective of Murat and of his lawyer, Francisco Pagarete. According to Caroline Kean, a media law expert, quoted by the newspaper "The Observer", Murat might receive "at least 200 thousand pounds (nearly 250 thousand euros) for each newspaper and for complaint, which would exceed two million pounds". The current record for a complaint for slander is of 1.5 million pounds (nearly 1.8 million euros), in 1989, according to the same newspaper.

MEETING. The Judiciary Police team which traveled last week to England, that was led by Paulo Rebelo, coordinator of criminal investigation of the PJ, will have today in the morning, a meeting with the Public Prosecutor Luís Verão and criminal instruction judge Pedro Frias, as well as with the assistant director of the Judiciary Police and the very person in charge of the Directorship of Faro, Guilhermino Encarnação. The objective is to assess and evaluate the cross-examinations done to seven persons with whom the McCanns had dinner with in the Tapas Bar, on the 3rd of May 2007. Bron
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Clarence Mitchell is 'pissed off'...Kan ook makkelijk, hij wordt niet vervolgd, wát hij ook uit z'n mouw schudt, lekker de bladen vullen. Krijgt het team McCann ook vast wel procentjes van. Wat ze vanaf het begin hebben gezegd, Madeleine in het nieuws houden 'leest' vandaag de dag toch heel anders. En dat hij bij zijn standpunt blijft, én Kate zegt dat echt verklaard te hebben, zal ook niemand verbazen.
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Clarence Mitchell maintains criticism of the PJ - Lusa
From Lusa this evening:
Madeleine: McCann spokesman maintains criticism of the PJ about alleged information leak (vertaling Joana Morais)

London, April 14 (Lusa) - The spokesman for Madeleine McCann's parents has today reiterated the conviction that excerpts of statements that were under judicial secrecy have been made public, defying the Polícia Judiciária (PJ) to explain the alleged information leak. Clarence Mitchell told Lusa agency that the contents of the statements that were made public last week by Spanish tv channel Telecinco is "sufficiently" recognized by Kate McCann, although the PJ denied its truthfulness today.

"We do not dispute the truthfulness of the statements", he underlined, adding that they correspond to information that was given between May and Jube 2007, before they were made arguidos in the process, which happened in September.

In these statements, Kate reportedly told the PJ that Madeleine complained about her parents not attending to her and her siblings, when they cried on one of the evenings prior to the disappearance, on the 3rd of May, from a tourist apartment in Praia da Luz, near Lagos, in the Algarve.

"Why didn't you come when we were crying last night?", Madeleine reportedly said to her parents - according to Telecinco - referring to herself and to one of her siblings, then two years old, this in spite of the fact that the parents denied hearing any crying.

The PJ has issued a note today, alleging that it "is entirely false" that the contents of the news piece from Spanish television Telecinco about the Maddie case "reproduces material that is part of the inquiry and under judicial secrecy".It further accuses the family's spokesman of attributing that leak to agents from the PJ, denouncing his "baseless intervention (...) especially at a moment when significant diligences for the investigation were being carried out".

Without wanting to "enter a discussion" with the PJ, Mitchell refers, still, that "the police note does not offer any explanations about how the material from the process that lies in the police's hands for 11 months and is covered by judicial secrecy, could be made public".

"I do not withdraw anything that I said", he underlined, reiterating his appeal for the investigation to continue. "What is necessary is that everyone unites in the search for Madeleine", he said.
Ik zou zeggen, Kate en Gerry, beantwoord eens ALLE vragen die de PJ nog heeft liggen. Pak die handschoen(en) eens op, als er niks te verbergen valt, zoals de wereld al maaaaaaaanden leest/hoort, waar zijn jullie dan zo bang voor????

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Clarence Mitchell "is a liar and Machiavellian" says Carlos Anjos, 15 April 2008
McCann's spokesman is a "liar"
Jornal de Noticias

Marisa Rodrigues
(Thanks to 'Li' from the3arguidos forum for translation)
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The spokesman of the parents of Madeleine McCann "is a liar and Machiavellian". Who says this is the president of the Association of Staff of Criminal Investigation (ASFIC). Carlos Anjos accuses Clarence Mitchell of having a well-defined strategy. "He wants to discredit the Criminal Police(PJ) by making up excuses in order to avoid the return of the couple to Portugal to participate in the reconstruction of the night of the crime. He lied to his teeth," he says.

This was the reaction of Carlos Anjos after yesterday's response of the PJ concerning the informations given by the Spanish channel "Telecinco" that announced having access to the depositions of Kate and Gerry. "It is completely untrue that the content of the news reproduces material that is in secrecy of justice", said the PJ in a release, issued after a meeting in Lisbon between Alípio Ribeiro and Paulo Rebelo, coordinator of the judicial police of Portimão and responsible for the investigation of the disappearance of Madeleine.

After the news, advanced on Thursday as being an "exclusive" of the Spanish channel, Mitchell gave several interviews to British televisions. He insulted the PJ and blamed the Portuguese inspectors of what he called a "grotesque breach of secrecy." He accused them of initiating a "dishonest manoeuvre to discredit the family."

On that same day, Kate and Gerry were in Brussels to present an European project to help to find missing children. Meanwhile, in Leicestershire, England, Paulo Rebelo's team were attending the interrogations scheduled in the rogatory letter.

To disrupt the enquiry

The PJ says they "deplore the intervention of the spokesman, particularly at a time when significant steps were made in the research." The president of ASFIC goes further. "Finally it is known where the truth is. While the PJ fulfilled their duty to investigate what happened to the child, the spokesman of the parents was manipulating the public opinion," he accuses.

For Carlos Anjos, "who mounted the scheme was Mr Clarence Mitchell. He needed to find an excuse to avoid the participation of the couple in the reconstruction, saying now that he does not trust the PJ." The ASFIC is available to give legal support to the researchers who feel targeted by the statements of Mitchell and want to move forward with a criminal complaint.

* Wikipedia: Machiavellianism is the term that some social and personality psychologists use to describe a person's tendency to deceive and manipulate others for personal gain. Bron
Het is werkelijk ook te gek voor woorden dat Clarence Mitchell niets eens een PR-man is, daar versta ik iets heel anders onder, hij is een gewoon een beroepsleugenaar, heeft ook niets meer met spin te maken. Mitchell grijpt nu gewoon alles aan om te voorkomen dat de McCanns naar Portugal terug 'moeten' vanwege de mogelijk komende reconstructie. Er wordt gewoon niets gedaan om hun kind te vinden zoals ze zelf pretenderen te doen, integendeel. Het wordt eens tijd dit heerschap aan een grondig onderzoek te onderwerpen en ook gelijk maar Metodo 3. Maar wie heeft daar het recht toe, sowieso ook de moed én de middelen? Overigens is http://the3arguidos.net weer voor gasten te bezoeken, niet alles maar wel o.a. deze sectie: Justice for Madeleine

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  dinsdag 15 april 2008 @ 11:55:31 #80
145755 kahaarin
You are my sunshine......
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Hey Suko en de rest!

CM zijn onaantastbare status lijikt wel barstjes te gaan vertonen, dat hij last heeft van zelfoverschatting en het niet zo nauw neemt met de waarheid weten we al maar dat de rest van de pers begint te morren is nieuw.

Rondje anorak van vandaag:
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Madeleine McCann: Clarence Mitchell’s Gloves, Portuguese Police Deny And Kate McCann’s Tears
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann

THE SUN: “McCann cops deny ‘smears’”

Those stories on Spanish television about what Kate and Gerry McCann are supposed to have said to the Portuguese police?

But last night, in only their fifth declaration since the case began, cops said it was “entirely false” to suggest they had been responsible.



But Clarence Mitchell, who has made a few more statements than five, senses a smear camping. Says he: “I am not retracting a word. The criticism of me doesn’t explain how confidential material came to be made public with curious timing.”

(Omdat je het zelf om hakken hebt gehad kluns, de timing is zo perfect en de verontwaardiging zo prompt en weloverwogn ver woord dat het niet anders kan dat hij het zelf heeft gedaan of hij een seintje heeft gehad van de kranten voordat het geprint werd, dat laatste lijkt me sterk dus het eerste lijkt me waar.)

FERGUS SHANAHAN: “NO PEACE FOR POOR KATE”

“Never has such a terrible personal ordeal been played on so public a stage. Yet, every night, after the backbiters have done their worst, Kate must stand in Maddie’s silent bedroom and shed her tears in private.”

DAILY STAR: “MADDIE COPS: WE DIDN’T LEAK STORY”

“The Policia Judiciaria would like to make it clear that it is entirely false to suggest the content of the news item in question reproduces material from the inquiry, which is the subject of judicial secrecy.”


DAILY MAIL: “MADDIE WAR OF WORDS”

War?

“Now Portuguese police lash out at McCann aide over leak claim.”

A lash? Surely it’s more of a carefully constructed statement.

“The PJ regrets the baseless intervention of the spokesman, above all at a moment when significant moves were being made in the investigation.”

Forget Missing Madeleine. Stop watching the parents. This story is now about Clarence Mitchell.

DAILY EXPRESS: “Madeleine: Police hit back over leak claims”

Less of a war than a fight.

“Yesterday the officers were due to meet a prosecutor to discuss any new leads thrown up by the investigation. Instead, they spent their afternoon drafting the statement.”

Portuguese police are slow but thorough writers.
Says Clarence Mitchell: “I don’t want to get into a row with them.”

This is the same Clarence Mitchell who told us: “It’s the same old game. We know what they’re up to. We are not happy and the gloves are off.”

DIGITAL SPY: “Mad May returns to ‘EastEnders’”

EastEnders actress Amanda Drew is to reprise her controversial Walford role as warped Dr ‘Mad’ May Wright.

The 38-year-old actress will resurrect her sinister screen counterpart after almost a year’s break. Viewers last saw May tangled in the midst of Albert Square’s baby abduction storyline which led to her character’s exit from the soap.

Last year, BBC bosses made the decision to substantially re-write and re-film the ending to the storyline due to events surrounding Madeleine McCann in Portugal. The climax episode still attracted almost 200 complaints.

The plot saw May and husband Rob Minter (Stuart Laing) attempting to steal Dawn Swann’s (Kara Tointon) baby via a forced caesarian and came to a head with Drew’s character being arrested and subsequently sectioned.
Het lijkt me voor de McCanns beter dat ze een nieuwe woordvoerder gaan zoeken, deze is te veel bezig met zijn eigen agenda.
Niet dat ik het erg vind hoor.
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Hajo Kahaarin! Het is dit keer van Anorak niet helemaal duidelijk wát van de krant komt of eigen commentaar maar na de artikelen te hebben nagelezen is het eigenlijk nog hetzelfde. Genoemde kranten beppen nog steeds braaf Clarrie na, nothing new, still the same old crap...die Mitchell blijft nog wel een tijdje vrees ik. Sterker nog, een poster op het 3arguidoforum denkt dat Kate wordt geframed, met medeweten van Gerry. Vanaf het begin al eigenlijk. Hoe ze moest dealen met the moods van Madeleine als baby zijnde, stond ook in haar dagboek, hoe Payne iov Gerry haar en de kids moest checken op 3 mei, en dan nu zogenaamd de onthulling dat Madeleine aan Kate vroeg waarom ze niet kwam toen ze huilde die avond daarvoor, vreemd eigenlijk, want ze schreeuwde toch echt om haar vader volgens Mrs. Fenn...en ook wordt er tellkens gepubliceerd hoe fragiel en kwetsbaar Kate is, uren jankend op Madeleine's kamer, zag Madeleine in haar dromen etc etc...Nergens wordt echt gemeld hoe Gerry er aan toe was/is, behalve dan een arrogante professional, beetje boel toevallig. Anyway, een goed artikel schreef trannyfattyacid: "Big Lie And The Wider Agenda." Een mening en observaties die hier veelal op Fok! ook zijn te vinden, dat leest wel zo prettig...

Naar goed, vanmiddag was er een interview met die druif Nacho Abad (Spaase Journo, voorheen freelance fotograaf én standup-comedian) ) van en op Telecinco, en hij wil z'n bron niet noemen qua lek. Maar het gegeven dat Kate (en Clarence Mitchell natuurlijk) zich kon herkennen was voldoende voor hem om te geloven dat het lek wel echt is en móet afkomen van de PJ. Ik las net dat die weldoenderd van de McCanns Brian Kennedy ook een huis heeft in Spanje (Huelva?) én die Spaanse vlerken(detective)club Metodo 3 heeft ingehuurd...toeval? Tenslotte hebben die PI's ook heel veel info inmiddels verzameld.

Beachy (van het 3arguidoforum) geeft haar visie hoe mogelijk een en ander naar buiten is gekomen en ook is aangepast, door belanghebbenden, of course:
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There is another possibility. I am quite sure that when the McCanns were named arguidos and retained attorneys, their lawyers would have wanted to know exactly what they had told the police during previous questioning. But at that point, under the rules of secrecy, the PJ would not have given them the statements.

I think their lawyers would have asked them, as well as their friends in the tapas 7, to sit down before memory faded further and recreate, as nearly as they could recall, their previous questioning by the PJ - both questions asked and answers given. All the members of the tapas 7 would surely have a copy of their own statements and possibly those of others, as I don't think the lawyers could stop them exchanging them; the attorneys and Clarence Mitchell likely would have a copy, and it opens up a world of people working with Team McCann who might have been involved in the copying, photocopying, etc. and could have had access.

The PJ seem quite sure that the statements released did not come from their files. Large portions of the allegedly leaked statements were posted on Telecinco's web site. My guess is that the PJ compared them, found they are not identical to what they have, and inferred that they must have been created at some other time.
Lijkt me ook zeer aannemelijk.

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  dinsdag 15 april 2008 @ 22:01:58 #82
104871 remlof
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De politie had toch DNA van Maddy in een auto van de McCanns gevonden, die ze na haar verdwijning hadden gehuurd? Is alweer een tijdje geleden, maar hoe is dat afgelopen?
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Op dinsdag 15 april 2008 22:01 schreef remlof het volgende:
De politie had toch DNA van Maddy in een auto van de McCanns gevonden, die ze na haar verdwijning hadden gehuurd? Is alweer een tijdje geleden, maar hoe is dat afgelopen?
Daar is officieel nog niets van bekend, de Portugese wet verbiedt vooralsnog openbaarheid zolang het onderzoek gaande is. Speculaties alom. Briitse kranten melden natuurlijk dat er onvoldoende DNA-materiaal is gevonden, 80% overeenkomst. Maar in januari van dit jaar melden Portugese kranten waaronder Correio da Manha:
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'Blood was definitely Maddie's' Blood found in a car hired by her parents weeks after she disappeared definitely came from the British girl, it was reported yesterday. The Portuguese newspaper Correio da Manha cited police sources as saying new tests on blood found in the hire car conclusively showed it was Madeleine's. "The definitive result of the tests leave no doubts for the Policia Judiciaria. The blood found in the McCanns' car is that of Madeleine as well as those samples detected in the flat," the paper said. Bron
Overigens bieden nieuwe DNA-technieken mogelijk een doorbraak en is inmiddels goedgekeurd in de UK, 11 april j.l Approval for low copy DNA testing Het kan nog zijn dat sommige gevonden DNA-sporen ook Low copy number betreffen en kunnen dus nu mogelijk opheldering verschaffen. Uit het artikel: "Low copy number DNA testing can analyse samples 1,000 times smaller than a grain of salt." Het blijft afwachten in the mean time, maar het is al wel duidelijk dat de PJ niet uitsluitend afhankelijk is van DNA-materiaal, mogelijk is er genoeg ander bewijsmateriaal, zoals getuigenverklaringen, de statements van de Tapas-vrienden en de verschillen daarin, mogelijk CCTV-beelden etc. etc.

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En heel soms lees je een commentaartje van een krant waarvan je denkt, waarom lees ik dat niet vaker, zoals van Andrew Billen, The Times, gespot door Anarak: "It was going to be called Madeleine McCann, but now ITV1's exclusive, has a longer name: Madeleine, One Year On: Campaign for Change. The programme will follow her parents as they campaign for an American-style Amber Alert system, in which law enforcement agencies are empowered to commandeer airtime when a child goes missing. Ah, lack of television coverage. That must have been the problem."

En The Sun: "“Cop: McCanns’ spokesman ‘lies’” Carlos Anjos, president of Portugal’s Police Federation, says of Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns’ spokesman: “He lies with as many teeth as he has in his mouth.” The accused the former BBC man of leaking police statements Kate and Gerry made within hours of Maddie disappearing last May. These were aired on Spanish TV last week. Anjos said the aim was to give the McCanns an excuse not to attend a reconstruction. Says Mr Mitchell: “It is categorically untrue that I leaked them. There was absolutely no benefit for us to do that.”

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'Everything is running well, the interrogations made in England were very satisfactory,' says Guilhermino Encarnação. 16 April 2008 (Bron)
Pinto Monteiro waits for report 24horas
PJ and Prosecutors debate alleged leak of information

Text: Carlos Tomás
(Thanks to 'Li' from the3arguidos forum for translation)
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The inspectors that are investigating Maddie's case held a meeting yesterday with the Public Prosecutor to analyse the trip to England. Clarence Mitchell, McCann's spokesman and Método 3 might have passed informations to the Spanish press.

The PJ and the Public Prosecutor have been bombarded with what the judicial authorities consider to be "counter information" in Madeleine McCann's case. In declarations to the 24 Horas, Pinto Monteiro, General Public Attorney, admitted that yesterday he did not yet have any additional information to the process because the Prosecutor of Évora, Luís Bilro Verão had not yet send anything.

There is no report

"When there are relevant things concerning that process a detailed report with the facts is made. Till today (yesterday) nothing was received from the responsible of the case namely the Prosecutor Luís Verão that I appointed to direct the enquiry", said Pinto Monteiro.

Guilhermino Encarnação maxim responsible for the PJ of Faro, says the same: "Everything is running well, the interrogations made in England were very satisfactory. We are not vulnerable to any type of pressure, it does not matter from where it cames. The investigations will have their results no matter who will be hurt".

McCann and Método 3 under suspicion

In the last days the PJ investigations on this case received criticism from everybody. Beginning with the spokesman of the couple, Clarence Mitchell, to the Spanish television channel Telecinco and the President of the Portuguese Bar Association, all have attacked the course of the investigations. The authorities in Portugal believe that the fake informations were released by the McCanns or by the agency hired by them, Método 3.

Marinho Pinto, president of the Bar Association said to EFE agency that the Criminal Police "arrived to a dead end in the investigations and is unable to acknowledge that fact".
Die laatste alinea is mogelijk te begrijpen als men het volgende bedenkt: "this Marinho Pinto does have a connection with the McCann team. Rogerio Alves was the president of the Bar Association till November last year. He is a member of the McCann's team and must know Marinho Pinto quite well." 3arguidoforum

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  woensdag 16 april 2008 @ 11:42:42 #85
145755 kahaarin
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Op dinsdag 15 april 2008 21:23 schreef Suko het volgende:
Hajo Kahaarin! Het is dit keer van Anorak niet helemaal duidelijk wát van de krant komt of eigen commentaar maar na de artikelen te hebben nagelezen is het eigenlijk nog hetzelfde. Genoemde kranten beppen nog steeds braaf Clarrie na, nothing new, still the same old crap...die Mitchell blijft nog wel een tijdje vrees ik. Sterker nog, een poster op het 3arguidoforum denkt dat Kate wordt geframed, met medeweten van Gerry. Vanaf het begin al eigenlijk. Hoe ze moest dealen met the moods van Madeleine als baby zijnde, stond ook in haar dagboek, hoe Payne iov Gerry haar en de kids moest checken op 3 mei, en dan nu zogenaamd de onthulling dat Madeleine aan Kate vroeg waarom ze niet kwam toen ze huilde die avond daarvoor, vreemd eigenlijk, want ze schreeuwde toch echt om haar vader volgens Mrs. Fenn...en ook wordt er tellkens gepubliceerd hoe fragiel en kwetsbaar Kate is, uren jankend op Madeleine's kamer, zag Madeleine in haar dromen etc etc...Nergens wordt echt gemeld hoe Gerry er aan toe was/is, behalve dan een arrogante professional, beetje boel toevallig. Anyway, een goed artikel schreef trannyfattyacid: "Big Lie And The Wider Agenda." Een mening en observaties die hier veelal op Fok! ook zijn te vinden, dat leest wel zo prettig...

Naar goed, vanmiddag was er een interview met die druif Nacho Abad (Spaase Journo, voorheen freelance fotograaf én standup-comedian) ) van en op Telecinco, en hij wil z'n bron niet noemen qua lek. Maar het gegeven dat Kate (en Clarence Mitchell natuurlijk) zich kon herkennen was voldoende voor hem om te geloven dat het lek wel echt is en móet afkomen van de PJ. Ik las net dat die weldoenderd van de McCanns Brian Kennedy ook een huis heeft in Spanje (Huelva?) én die Spaanse vlerken(detective)club Metodo 3 heeft ingehuurd...toeval? Tenslotte hebben die PI's ook heel veel info inmiddels verzameld.

Beachy (van het 3arguidoforum) geeft haar visie hoe mogelijk een en ander naar buiten is gekomen en ook is aangepast, door belanghebbenden, of course:
[..]

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Hmm, zou dit niet kunnen zijn voor het geval dat er toch een veroordeling volgt?
Als Kate idd zo labiel is, en er zijn vast 'deskundigen' die dat willen verklaren in court, dan hebben ze alvast een ontoerekeningsvatbaarheid wegens psychische problemen voorbereid, mocht het zo zijn dat er toch onverhoopt bewijs komt bovendrijven dan kan ze verklaren dat ze het zich niet meer kan herinneren en niet meer weet wat er is gebeurt en waar Maddy is gebleven......
Die gedachtenkronkels op dat forum konden nog wel eens waar zijn.
Ik denk dus dat ze niet geframed wordt maar als laatste redmiddel wordt ingezet.

Die 'lekken' zijn echt wel heel goed overwogen door team McCann gedaan hoor, daar twijfel ik echt niet meer aan.
Heel goed dat de PJ van zich af bijt en ertegenin komt.
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Op woensdag 16 april 2008 11:42 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Hmm, zou dit niet kunnen zijn voor het geval dat er toch een veroordeling volgt?
Als Kate idd zo labiel is, en er zijn vast 'deskundigen' die dat willen verklaren in court, dan hebben ze alvast een ontoerekeningsvatbaarheid wegens psychische problemen voorbereid, mocht het zo zijn dat er toch onverhoopt bewijs komt bovendrijven dan kan ze verklaren dat ze het zich niet meer kan herinneren en niet meer weet wat er is gebeurt en waar Maddy is gebleven......
Die gedachtenkronkels op dat forum konden nog wel eens waar zijn.
Ik denk dus dat ze niet geframed wordt maar als laatste redmiddel wordt ingezet.

Die 'lekken' zijn echt wel heel goed overwogen door team McCann gedaan hoor, daar twijfel ik echt niet meer aan.
Heel goed dat de PJ van zich af bijt en ertegenin komt.
Zou best eens kunnen Kahaarin, maar dan nog zijn de McCanns voor eeuwig McConns, die ontvoeringstheorie is allang al belachelijk geworden, dat geloofd niemand meer. Overigens komt de Telegraph óók met het verhaal uit 24 Horas, maar dat zinnetje aan het einde is natuurlijk grote nonsens: "Dr Encarnacao, speaking after a meeting between public prosecutors and police who travelled to Britain for fresh interviews with the McCanns' holiday friends, said: "Everything's going well. "The inquiries carried out in the UK are progressing in the best way possible." He said the police were not "vulnerable to pressure" from any party involved. "The investigation will bring its results, whoever they hurt." The pledge came as a clairvoyant claimed Madeleine McCann died in an accident. < Dat heeft de krant er zelf bij verzonnen alsof de PJ daarop vertrouwd, wat een b*llshit. Ook zeker een manier om de Portugesen belachelijk te maken. Dat heeft de Telegraph kennelijk hier gelezen:
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Maddie "died by misadventure"
Convinced that it can regain Madeleine McCann, the visionary Chilean Isabel Cristina Avila reaffirmed today in Santiago that the child never left Portugal, adding that Maddie died by accident without the intervention of third parties.

According to the fortune teller, known for having cooperated with the police of Chile in the search for missing persons, the place where the body is located has not been searched with the thoroughness required, "they have sought but not quite meticulously," says Isabel Avila.

This is not the first time that the visionary talk about the case of Madeleine, in October 2007 it had already handed over to the Portuguese Ambassador to Chile a sketch of the place or the police should seek the body.

Since the demise of Madeleine Beth McCann, May 3, 2007, the Judicial Police received several hundred letters, emails and phone calls from persons claiming to be able to find the girl. Despite all the checks, most of the time far from the eyes of the media, no track has yet been found Maddie. Bron


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  woensdag 16 april 2008 @ 16:37:35 #87
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Op woensdag 16 april 2008 13:34 schreef Suko het volgende:

Zou best eens kunnen Kahaarin, maar dan nog zijn de McCanns voor eeuwig McConns, die ontvoeringstheorie is allang al belachelijk geworden, dat geloofd niemand meer. Overigens komt de Telegraph óók met het verhaal uit 24 Horas, maar dat zinnetje aan het einde is natuurlijk grote nonsens: "Dr Encarnacao, speaking after a meeting between public prosecutors and police who travelled to Britain for fresh interviews with the McCanns' holiday friends, said: "Everything's going well. "The inquiries carried out in the UK are progressing in the best way possible." He said the police were not "vulnerable to pressure" from any party involved. "The investigation will bring its results, whoever they hurt." The pledge came as a clairvoyant claimed Madeleine McCann died in an accident. < Dat heeft de krant er zelf bij verzonnen alsof de PJ daarop vertrouwd, wat een b*llshit. Ook zeker een manier om de Portugesen belachelijk te maken. Dat heeft de Telegraph kennelijk hier gelezen:
Oh nee he, wat een sullige verslaglegging, daar trappen wij niet in!
We blijven dus spinnen met CM zo te lezen.
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*geen woorden aan vuil maakt*
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Madeleine McCann: Anjos Calls Mitchell A Liar And Madeleine One Year On: Campaign For Change
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann

THE SUN: “Cop: McCanns’ spokesman ‘lies’”

Carlos Anjos, president of Portugal’s Police Federation, says of Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns’ spokesman: “He lies with as many teeth as he has in his mouth.”

The accused the former BBC man of leaking police statements Kate and Gerry made within hours of Maddie disappearing last May. These were aired on Spanish TV last week. Anjos said the aim was to give the McCanns an excuse not to attend a reconstruction.

Says Mr Mitchell: “It is categorically untrue that I leaked them. There was absolutely no benefit for us to do that.”


THE TIMES: Andrew Billen on TV:

“It was going to be called Madeleine McCann, but now ITV1’s exclusive, has a longer name: Madeleine, One Year On: Campaign for Change. The programme will follow her parents as they campaign for an American-style Amber Alert system, in which law enforcement agencies are empowered to commandeer airtime when a child goes missing. Ah, lack of television coverage. That must have been the problem.”

Indeed.
http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/183007.html
Precies, het rondje Anorak vandaag is spot on, CM liegt en de ouders willen aandacht.
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Zo is dat Kahaarin, inmiddels zijn wij hier aardig in thuis, om spin en slur te ontdekken. Jouw quote van Anorak had ik ook gepost, het kán dus wel, dat een commentaar afwijkt van de reguliere pro-McCann verhaalllijn die ook The Times helaas hanteert. Ook The Times-columnist Matthew Parish (die het al eerder voor Murat opnam) kan scherp uit de hoek komen, zie eerdere post. Wat jammer dat anderen dat niet 'durven.'

En verder blijft het interessant waarom Clarence Mitchell niet rechtstreeks aan die Spaanse journo Nacho Abad vraagt wáár hij het lek vandaan heeft, maar nee, gewoon de PJ aanvallen, en wij weten wel waarom dat is....En wel hierom: "The police transcripts were obtained by the journalist Nacho Abad from the Spanish television programme Ana Rosa Quintant. He has followed the Madeleine case from the beginning and frequently spoken to the McCanns and Mitchell." The Guardian

En waarom dat lek bekend gemaakt tijdens het bezoek van de McCanns aan het Europees Parlement in Brussel, vorige week, een poster uit Portugal op dit forum:
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Here's the problem. Kate gave a statement to the PJ, that was written and translated and signed by her. She was not given a copy of the statement. Witnesses don't receive a copy of their statements. Then she repeated the same story to someone else but with a slightly different wording. The PJ can compare her written statement with the leak and realize that they are different, so now they are absolutely sure that they can prove ( if necessary) that the leaked text and the statement were not produced at the same time. So now PJ can play their move. The public statement in the PJ website has no precedent, and is very very very official. Carlos Anjos spokesman of the Police Association knows that, so he can afford calling Clarence Mitchel a “ lying bxxxxxd “ and I bet he enjoyed it. It's not common practice to someone in an official role call liar to somebody else, so Carlos Anjos must be pretty damn sure that they can prove in a court of law that the leak didn't came from them, hence the threat to sue Clarence Unfortunately the PJ can't put the original statement in the public domain. The timing of the leak was also crucial, as to avoid any embarrassment to the McCann's while they were in Brussels facing the MEP's and journalists.
Zo genoeg geouweneel wat betreft dat lek, het is nu wel duidelijk wáár dat vandaan komt. Interessanter is wat de volgende stap zal zijn vanuit Portugal...

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Nah, nog ff over dat 'lek.' (bron)
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Controversy: Kate's statement to detectives

The declarations of Kate McCann remembering a conversation with her daughter Maddie, on the day in which she disappeared, on the fact that in the previous night Kate left the girl crying in the bedroom are not in the official process secured by the Judiciary Police, established the CM. They were reproduced by the Spanish TV channel Telecinco, the journalist Nacho Abad says to have proofs that they are true - but in fact, they are accounts given by Kate to private detectives.

The process continues in secrecy of justice, but, 'on the day that the process is opened to the public, it will be easy to prove that those declarations are not there ', said a source close to the investigations. Therefore, this leak of information could never have appeared from inside the Judiciary Police.

'On the day in which this situation is clarified accurately ', Clarence Mitchell will be the target of a process for the damages caused against the image of the elements of the Department of Criminal Investigation of Portimão, after they had been 'unfairly accused' by the McCann’s spokesman of passing informations that are part of the process to the Media.

Besides, the British police also know that Kate's declarations, about her difficult relationship with the daughter, are not in the process. When the Spanish TV channel reproduced them a PJ’s team was in Leicester, in the period in which the McCann’s friends were heard, and the English authorities confirmed to be Kate's account to the private investigators. It is a company that worked for the couple before the Metódo3 agency and, in the end, they printed a report where these sentences are in. According to our sources, only three parts kept copies of these documents: the company, the McCanns and the British authorities.

The problems with the international press do not end here, yesterday, it was the Telegraph turn to advance 'declarations' from Guilhermino Encarnação, where after a meeting with the Public Prosecutor, he would have said that ‘The investigation will bring its results, whoever they hurt', a source close to the responsible of the Faro's PJ guarantees to the CM that none of this is true.

DETAILS

ASFIC SUPPORTS PROCESS


Contacted by the 'CM', the president of the Criminal Investigation Officers' Union, Carlos Anjos, guarantees to be available for the whole legal support that the investigators of Portimão need if they understand to sue the McCann’s spokesman Clarence Mitchell, McCann, for damages against the image of the department.

RE-ENACTMENT

Carlos Anjos believes that the controversy created around Kate's declarations, with accusations to the PJ for the eventual leak of information which damages the couple credibility, 'is nothing more than a stratagem in order that they do not have to collaborate with the Portuguese justice'. In question there is a re-enactment of the crime, requested by the PJ but that, according to the couple’s spokesman, will only happen if they stop being arguidos. Source: Correio da Manhã
Dus voordat Metodo 3 ingehuurd werd zou het kunnen gaan om Hogan International. (volgens mij hebben meer mensen die statements in handen, al dan niet aangepast, dan de PJ voor mogelijk houdt...) "Few days after having announced the replacement of the Spanish detectives, Metodo 3, by Hogan International, a British company, the McCanns are already criticized for their choice." Bron Maar die Control Risk Group zou ook nog kunnen. "The company has more than 600 employees, many former members of MI5, MI6, the SAS and Special Boat Service." The Times Maar het stinkt aan alle kanten en mogelijk heeft Clarence Mitchell iets te hoog spel gespeeld, het is ook al een paar dagen stil, geen Clarrie-talk.

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  donderdag 17 april 2008 @ 12:37:18 #90
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Ik ben ook benieuwd wat Portugal gaat doen Suko, goedemiddag trouwens.

Dat de lekken niet zuiver op de graat zijn is duidelijk, en die bureau's die ingehuurd zijn door de McConns op zijn minst een beetje shady, dat Clarrie zijn mond houdt zegt imho genoeg, zijn macht heeft toch niet zo ver gereikt als hij had voorzien, sneu wel een beetje.

Enfin, rondje Anorak van vandaag:
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Madeleine McCanns: Police Will Solve Case, Or Not, Maybe
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann

DAILY MIRROR: “’We’ll get result on Madeleine McCann’, say Portuguese police”

Faro police chief Guilhermino Encarnacao promised the investigation would “bring results, whoever they hurt”… Dr Encarnacao said: “Everything’s going well. The inquiries carried out in the UK are progressing in the best way possible.”

Sow here is Madeleine McCann? Don’t keep us waiting…

Says the president of Portugal’s Bar Association, Antonio Marinho e Pinto: “They have reached a dead end and don’t know how to admit it.”

NEWS & STAR: “Leak was proof of McCanns’ innocence”

It has now emerged that Maddie sobbed for her mother the night before she vanished. “Mummy, why didn’t you come when we were crying last night,’’ said the little girl to her mother the night before she vanished.

It is Kate herself who told the police what her daughter had said. I doubt that a guilty mother would have dreamed of being so honest in her statement to the police.

The police leak may have been meant to damn the McCanns but Kate McCann’s admission was that of an innocent.

Case closed.

THE GUARDIAN: “Drugs firm attacks Sunday Express splash”

A drugs company is demanding a full correction over last weekend’s splash in the Sunday Express that made allegations about a medical trial going wrong.

Parexel has written to the paper asking for a correction over the story, headlined “Drugs test scandal returns”, claiming it contained “false and erroneous information”.

But what has it to do with Madeleine McCann?

Last month, the Sunday Express and Richard Desmond’s three other Express Newspapers titles carried front-page apologies and paid £550,000 in damages to Gerry and Kate McCann over a string of inaccurate stories about the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine.




The Sunday Express, Daily Express and Daily Star are also among 11 UK national newspapers being sued by Robert Murat, the first formal suspect to be named last year in the Madeline McCann case.

Never miss a chance to do your rivals down.

Madeleine McCann: On and on we go
Niets niuws dus, een beetje om de hete brij heendraaien, we wachten wederom af.
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Hoi Kahaarin, indeed weinig nieuws. Ik had de volgende overdenking. Het zou óók nog zo kunnen zijn dat er helemaal géén verklaring is gelekt, hoogstens misschien een kladje wat niet echt geheim is, en dat deze hele heisa is opgezet om de PJ te belasteren (die alleen maar kan ontkennen omdat ze niet op de zaak in kunnen gaan, maar om hun naam te zuiveren Mitchell wél kunnen dagen wegens smaad) én om Madeleine op 3 mei op de kaart te zetten. Tenslotte hebben alleen Mitchell en Kate (dus onbetrouwbaar) bevestigd dat het waar is wat die Spaanse journo heeft verteld en die laatst geeft z'n bron(nen) niet prijs. En natuurlijk niet naar Portugal te hoeven, qua reconstructie, alles behalve dát! Vervolgens misschien nog een reden, het belasteren van Metodo 3, mogelijk zit het team McCann tóch met dit clubje in de maag. Slechte naam inmiddels. Nooit iets nuttigs gedaan, integendeel...een never ending sketch van een aantal duur betaalde lachwekkende heren, rondrennend door het Marokkaanse Rifgebergte, knijpend in cadeau gekregen Cuddle Cats...ter motivatie.

Dat per se 3 mei op de kaart zetten, een dag later ná Jane Tanner's verhoor zou toch misschien kunnen nav het krantenartikel (eerdere post) waar 24 Horas eerder berichtte dat Jane Tanner opeens vergeetachtig was tijdens het verhoor: "Jane Tanner, one of the main witnesses in the process of Maddie's disappearance, yesterday again, gave a different account from the previous ones. Questioned by the PJ team that was sent to England, Jane did not manage to explain how, when and where she saw the supposed kidnapper - the same that, in November, she described in a very detailed way for the making of a sketched portrait of the suspect. Yesterday, Tanner could not even tell if she went to check on her own children in the bedroom at the Ocean Club. The sentence "I do not remember", ended up being her most frequent answer. "She entered very calm and even smiled. When she went out she was trembling and her face was very red. She did not speak with anyone", described to 24horas a source at the headquarters from the Leicester police."

(Een leestip van een forummer: Missing Madeleine McCann Oct 17, 2007)
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  vrijdag 18 april 2008 @ 13:08:52 #92
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You are my sunshine......
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Op donderdag 17 april 2008 21:22 schreef Suko het volgende:
Hoi Kahaarin, indeed weinig nieuws. Ik had de volgende overdenking. Het zou óók nog zo kunnen zijn dat er helemaal géén verklaring is gelekt, hoogstens misschien een kladje wat niet echt geheim is, en dat deze hele heisa is opgezet om de PJ te belasteren (die alleen maar kan ontkennen omdat ze niet op de zaak in kunnen gaan, maar om hun naam te zuiveren Mitchell wél kunnen dagen wegens smaad) én om Madeleine op 3 mei op de kaart te zetten. Tenslotte hebben alleen Mitchell en Kate (dus onbetrouwbaar) bevestigd dat het waar is wat die Spaanse journo heeft verteld en die laatst geeft z'n bron(nen) niet prijs. En natuurlijk niet naar Portugal te hoeven, qua reconstructie, alles behalve dát! Vervolgens misschien nog een reden, het belasteren van Metodo 3, mogelijk zit het team McCann tóch met dit clubje in de maag. Slechte naam inmiddels. Nooit iets nuttigs gedaan, integendeel...een never ending sketch van een aantal duur betaalde lachwekkende heren, rondrennend door het Marokkaanse Rifgebergte, knijpend in cadeau gekregen Cuddle Cats...ter motivatie.

Dat per se 3 mei op de kaart zetten, een dag later ná Jane Tanner's verhoor zou toch misschien kunnen nav het krantenartikel (eerdere post) waar 24 Horas eerder berichtte dat Jane Tanner opeens vergeetachtig was tijdens het verhoor: "Jane Tanner, one of the main witnesses in the process of Maddie's disappearance, yesterday again, gave a different account from the previous ones. Questioned by the PJ team that was sent to England, Jane did not manage to explain how, when and where she saw the supposed kidnapper - the same that, in November, she described in a very detailed way for the making of a sketched portrait of the suspect. Yesterday, Tanner could not even tell if she went to check on her own children in the bedroom at the Ocean Club. The sentence "I do not remember", ended up being her most frequent answer. "She entered very calm and even smiled. When she went out she was trembling and her face was very red. She did not speak with anyone", described to 24horas a source at the headquarters from the Leicester police."

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Dat 'I do not remember' is imho veelzeggend, als ze de waarheid had gesproken vanaf het begin dan had ze nu geen problemen gehad om het zich te herinneren, ik denk dat ze verstrikt is geraakt in haar eigen gedraai, ze weet domweg niet meer wat ze allemaal heeft verzonnen destijds dus kan ze nu ook geen antwoord meer geven.
Natuurlijk kunnen de McCann mensen beweren over de PJ wat ze willen, ze hoeven zich niet stil te houden als ze het niet rechtstreeks over de zaak hebben, de PJ kan zich niet verweren omdat ze dan details over de zaak moeten vrijgeven en dat mag niet volgens het Portugese recht.
Heel slim gedaan maar helaas voor de McConns trappen er een heleboel bloggers en mensen op fora niet meer in, zo lang ze zelf nog een dubbele agenda hebben en niet volledige duidelijkheid geven zal men kritisch blijven over hun uitspraken.

Rondje Anorak:
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Madeleine McCann: Suing Clarence Mitchell, Jane Hill And Pastries
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann

DAILY MAIL: “’Portuguese police should sue McCann’s official spokesman’, claims newspaper”

The Mail is reporting on a report in a foreign newspaper. Isn’t this what got the Express into difficulties?

A source “close to the investigation” tells the Portuguese newspaper Correio da Manhathat: “On the day in which it’s opened to the public, it will be easy to prove the declarations are not there. Then it will become clear this leak cannot have come from within the PJ.”

The claim is that the words attributed to Kate McCann – words it was claimed she told the police – might not be her words after all.

The source reportedly added that “Mr Mitchell should be the subject of a libel action for harm caused to the reputation of elements of Portimao’s criminal investigation department, for having ‘unfairly accused’ them of passing on information from the investigation to the media.”

Who the source is, the Mail does not say, nor does it care to investigate. It just translates the Portuguese press for its readers.

As Mr Mitchell said: “The police, either officially or unofficially, have so far failed to explain how material that was in their possession as part of their files emerged in the public domain on the very day Kate and Gerry were making positive headlines in Europe.”

The Mail adds:

Mr Mitchell has already categorically denied a claim in another Portuguese newspaper that he leaked the police statements to Spanish television journalist Nacho Abad. “Why on earth would I?” he said.

Mr Abad has said the statements did not come from Mr Mitchell or the McCann’s but refused to reveal his source.

REAL BUSINESS: “Entrepreneurs, networking and pastries”

The bubbly Jane Hill, (BBC News 24 and 1 O’Clock news presenter) also said a few words about breaking the story of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance last year on May 3rd.

Hill recalled how she flew out to Portugal the following day with a suitcase packed for four days – three weeks later she was still there.

“Of course, no one could have predicted how big a story it would become,” says Hill, “And it was only when I got back to the UK that I realized how big the story had become.” Weird to think that as we approach the 1st anniversary of Maddie’s disappearance, despite no trace of her, the story is still generating column inches.
http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/183091.html

Dat zou leuk zijn CM zelf aangeklaagd, misschien dat hij dan een beetje gas terug moet nemen en de kranten eindelijk weer normaal verslag kunnen leggen.
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Indeed Kahaarin. Sue this pinky spinning lying bastard! Maar dan wel ná de eventuele reconstructie Leeftie nog wel? Het is zorgwekkend stil, kejje nagaan, dat ook de kranten niks te melden hebben, alleen als er wat komt uit het verhalenboek van het team McCann. Maar goed, dan maar wat vastgoed-nieuws...
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The Sun: THE flat from which Maddie McCann vanished is to be let again, it was claimed last night. Owner Ruth McCann, no relation to Maddie’s parents Gerry, 39, and Kate, 40, plans to charge £1,600 a month for the apartment in Praia da Luz, a Portuguese newspaper said. It has been searched and examined by forensic teams since Maddie disappeared last May 3.
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The Mirror: Ruth McCann - who is no relation - is said to be asking £19,500 a year from tourists for the Ocean Club property in Praia da Luz, Portugal. The two bedroom flat has been empty since August. A local paper claimed it will not be available until June because police need it for a reconstruction. Ruth McCann refused to comment.
Typisch, volgens Sky News was het apartement toch echt verkocht, June 19, 2007:
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The two-bedroom apartment the family rented in Praia da Luz went on the market for £75,000 last week. A British couple offered the asking price within days and they have already completed the deal, according to Portuguese newspapers. The Sun said the market rate for similar properties was £150,000.
Zelfs zoiets simpels als het verhuren van een apartement, vanaf wanneer dat kan is discutabel...én is dat stekkie nou nog wel van Ruth McCann of toch verkocht???

Blijft ook raadselachtig of Ruth McCann nou wel of niet familie is van de McCanns. Zie een eerdere post. Die Ruth is ook nooit verhoord volgens Joana Morais. STRANGE COINCIDENCE Dat mens wil ook niks zeggen of ze familie is of niet, lijkt me sterk dat dat niet mag vanwege de McCanns. Ze verhuurd als geen familie zijnde toch alleen maar??? Ziezo, een geweldige nuttige bijdrage van mij vandaag....

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Een verslag uit Praia da Luz van The Guardian Saturday April 19 2008, wat fragmenten die mij opvielen.
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De vriendin van Murat gaat vermoedelijk ook schadevergoeding vragen: "His girlfriend, Michaela Walczuk, similarly traduced and similarly, now, represented by Max Clifford, may well be next."

Buurvouw van de McCanns Mrs. Fenn, die Madeleine urenlang heeft horen huilen heeft het zwaar gehad: "She was hounded for months and months, and for the first few months she couldn't park her car and could barely leave the house," says Ian Fenn when asked about his mother, Pamela, who is in her 80s and lives in the apartment above the one from which Madeleine was taken. "She doesn't know anything, and she won't tell you anything, and I ask you, please, not to knock on her door." Nee, ze weet inderdaad niets, ze heeft alleen maar gehoord...en soms is dat voldoende als getuigenverklaring.

Men praat er nauwelijks meer over en posters van Madeleine zijn er haast niet meer, op een enkele winkel na: "Manuel Silva, owner of an electrical store in the area, says he will keep his posters up until she is found - "I have grandchildren who live here" - but he is almost alone. Why does he think the other businesses removed theirs? "I don't know. That is their concern." at do people in the town now think about what happened that night? "Nobody talks about this. Nobody talks about it now." What changed? "I'm not inclined to say."

De plaatselijke Landlady van een pub Nancy Thompson zegt: "I do think the PJ will find the truth of this," says Thompson. "In the old days, before the revolution, when you had to have a licence for a lighter, the PJ was everywhere and people were always: 'don't say that'. That was Portugal. That was their regime. It's only 1974. And they are still a bit afraid and secretive." She says she cannot understand how anyone could get away with abduction. "They are so nosy, people in Portugal, and especially in this village. You can't go for a p*** in this town without somebody watching. That night I was back and forwards between my two bars all night. You notice these things, we have nothing else to do in this place, and I never saw a man carrying a child in a blanket."

En de lokale priester Hubbard zegt o.a: ""You see the tour buses driving past the house, the tour guides are now using it as a tourist attraction," says Hubbard, drily. "I don't think Praia da Luz has suffered a grievous blow because of an evil that was perpetrated in our midst."

En opvallend genoeg: "The seven friends with whom the couple were holidaying continued to be interviewed this week by officers from Leicestershire police, observed by Portuguese officers, the purpose of these further interviews unclear."

En tenslotte over het Portugese onderzoeksteam: "Olegario Sousa, who initially acted as spokesman for the police, dramatically quit the role in September in protest at continued leaks."

Dat is volgens excop Beachy een leugen: "It also repeats the old canard that Olegario Sousa quit in displeasure over the leaks, when he denied that virtually the instant it came out. He said he was returning to his regular post in Lisbon because the PJ would not be holding any more press conferences once the file was turned over to the public prosecutor's office - and guess what, they haven't, have they? If he had stayed in Portimao, he would have had nothing to do these past 8 months, as he was not actually part of the investigative team." Bron
Maar over het algemeen vond ik dit artikel uit The Guardian niet al te beroerd en sommige uitspraken zelfs intrigerend. Het hele artikel.

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Maar goed, Clarence Mitchell leeft nog en hoe. Het opzetje was eerder gegeven, het zogenaamde lek van de PJ, dat Madeleine op 3 mei 's morgens tegen mum Kate gezegd zou hebben waarom ze die avond daarvoor niet kwam opdagen..."WHY DID YOU LEAVE US TO CRY MUMMY?” Alllemaal bedoeld om de PJ te belasteren tijdens de verhoren van de Tapas 7 in de UK en dan ook nog tijdens het bezoek van de McCanns aan Brussel. Maar bovenal om de wereld te laten zien dat op 3 mei Medeleine nog leefde, iets waar ernstig aan getwijfeld wordt.

Ook, IMO, is dit opzetje bedacht om de aandacht/verdenking af te leiden dat de McCanns mogelijk Madeleine hebben omgebracht, of op z'n minst er weet van hebben dat ze niet meer leeft. Dan is een aanklacht van neglect nog altijd veel minder erg en ja hoor...wat schrijft The People:
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“MCCANNS FACE NEW CHARGE
EXCLUSIVE SCANDAL OF PLAN TO CHARGE MADDIE MUM ‘KEYSTONE COP’ FURY” (in cursief is commentaar van Anarak)

A shock new plan to charge Kate McCann over daughter Maddie’s kidnap was last night condemned as “spiteful and shameful”. British legal experts branded bungling Portuguese detectives “Keystone Cops” for considering neglect charges.

But are these comedy cops the only ones who think the McCanns erred?

One lawyer said: “After an inquiry costing millions and unprecedented international help, these Keystone Cops still haven’t got a clue what happened to Madeleine. The investigation was a mess from Day One.”

Says McCanns’ spokesman Clarence Mitchell: “We haven’t heard through official channels if they are considering this charge. But you’d have to ask yourself, ‘Why now?’”

Or why not now?
A terrible piece of British journalism, walgelijk...En verder plaatst Anorak wat stukjes uit de Daily Mail, zelf lezen, gaat nergens over, oude koeien uit een Portugese sloot....met 'gepast' commentaar. Overigens is het hele Daily Mail-artikel weer weg, woei, foetsie maar nog wel hier of hier indien gemerged, te lezen, ha ha! Iemand schreef: "It was very badly written and boring.........and those were it's good points!"

Nog even een stukje Mitchell uit dat artikel, over waarom het huren van Metodo 3, je gelooft je ogen niet: Een poster schrijft: I actually think that McCann legal team may have had a word in Mitchell's ear. This is libelous.
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"However, now the relationship is back at rock bottom. "The Portuguese justice minister needs to get a grip on his police force," Mitchell told The Mail on Sunday.

"We are confident those statements came from someone in the police chain. It's not just disappointing that after nearly a year, there is no sign of Madeleine: it's an absolute tragedy."

If the PJ had been "doing its job properly", Mitchell continued, the McCanns would never have felt compelled to engage the Barcelona private investigation agency Metodo 3, on which the Find Madeleine campaign has already spent £200,000. "Not a penny would have been spent on the private investigators," he said."
Nah, bull natuurlijk, de McCannetjes hadden alleen wat vraagjes mioeten beantwoorden, that's all really... Anyway, iemand op het 3arfuidoforum voorspelde al dat we overspoeld zouden worden met rubbisch nu de PJ met de verhoren bezig is, en dat blijkt wel. Het team McCann is desperate...everything to hide, hé Clarence!

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Ah, medemutsen, ik was jullie kwijtgeraakt door de verhuizing naar dit forum. Gisteravond twee weken bijgelezen. Dank voor alle info, ben weer helemaal bij.
Here we are now, entertain us.
  maandag 21 april 2008 @ 13:37:56 #97
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Pffft, Suko, wat een lading non-nieuws, ik ben er even een weekendeje tussenuit geweest en er is niets gebeurt, toch knap dat ze daar zelfs nog over kunnen spinnen.

Goedemiddag y'all!

Welkom terug Voyeur!
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Madeleine: Detective to be tried for perjury in child murder case


Accused: Goncalo Amaral is said to have lied about a similar case three years before

The Portuguese detective who led the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann for its first five months has been committed for trial for alleged perjury in an earlier child murder case.

The Mail on Sunday has obtained a copy of the indictment against Chief Inspector Goncalo Amaral – of the Portuguese Policia Judiciaria – the man believed to be responsible for making the missing four-year-old's parents Kate and Gerry McCann arguidos, or official suspects.

Amaral is charged with negligence and falso testimunho – perjury – under article 360 of the Portuguese penal code, a crime punishable by six months to three years in prison.

Another officer has been charged with fabricating a document and three others with torture, an offence that carries a maximum penalty of five years.

After months of secret hearings, on March 26 the five officers were committed for jury trial. All are expected to plead not guilty, and the hearing is expected in the autumn.

Madeleine special investigation: The damning case against the Portuguese police - and how Kate and Gerry are coping one year on
Madeleine: Stephen Lawrence's father Neville fears the McCanns' marriage could breakdown

Asked for an interview, Amaral declined to talk, stating that he was bound by the Portuguese judicial secrecy laws.

He has not been suspended and Portuguese legal sources said that even if he were found guilty, it was possible he would not lose his job.

Meanwhile the McCanns' spokesman has called for a wide-ranging inquiry into the Portuguese handling of their case, carried out by officers from outside the country.


Madeleine: Still missing

It was clear last week that after months of tension, the relationship between the McCanns and the Portuguese police is close to breaking point.

Amid a bitter row over the leaking to a Spanish TV station of official statements by Kate and Gerry McCann, their spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, called for a thorough international investigation into the overall handling of the hunt for Madeleine by the Portuguese police.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=560785&in_page_id=1770&ito=newsnow

Ik ben benieuwd of dit de discussie over de arguidostatus nog weer gaat aanzwengelen, als de onderzoeksleiding wordt aangeklaagd dan zouden ze daar een punt me kunnen hebben.
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  maandag 21 april 2008 @ 15:25:01 #98
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Nog maar eens een het lijstje criteria dat Amber alert hanteert (het Amerikaanse systeem voor missing children):

How do AMBER Alerts work?

Once law enforcement has been notified about an abducted child, they must first determine if the case meets their AMBER Alert program’s criteria. The U.S. Department of Justice recommends the following criteria for issuing an AMBER Alert. Guidance on Criteria for Issuing AMBER Alerts

There is reasonable belief by law enforcement an abduction has occurred
The abduction is of a child age 17 years or younger
The law-enforcement agency believes the child is in imminent danger of serious bodily injury or death
There is enough descriptive information about the victim and abduction for law enforcement to issue an AMBER Alert to assist in the recovery of the child
The child’s name and other critical data elements, including the Child Abduction flag, have been entered into the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) computer

De vetgedrukte regels waren op Madeleine niet van toepassing geweest. De politie dacht niet dat het een ontvoering was, dacht niet dat ze in levensgevaar was (noch de McCann's want die zitten nu nog te wachten tot ze weer thuis komt als ze klaar is met 'giving het two-pence worth to the abductor') and er was geen enkele beschrijving over de ontvoering behalve dat cuddle cat op een hoge plank lag. Pas veel later verzon Jane Tanner bundleman en vergat hem vervolgens recentelijk weer.

Dit systeem waar ze plots zo heftig voor pleiten zorgt voor een nationaal alert binnen 24 uur, maar zou in hun geval dus nooit gebruikt zijn.

Bron: http://www.amberalert.gov/


Voeg je voortaan je eigen bron toe, voyeur?

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Here we are now, entertain us.
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Hajo all en leuk dat je er weer eens bent Voyeur. Goed dat je weer even Amber Alert onder de aandacht brengt. In eerdere posten over dat Alert-systeem in de US, veel hoaxes en ook haalde ik jouw mail aan wat betreft de Europese variant. Interessant dat even terug te kezen in dit topic, scroll naar net boven halverwege: Maddy, the plot thickens.

Ach dat artikel uit de Mail over de zaak Joana Cipriano versus Gonçalo Amaral zijn inmiddel wel andere feiten bekend, uit een eerdere post:
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"Wat betreft Joana Cipriano, het gaat er nu om of Portugese cops haar moeder hebben gemept, daar is nogal twijfel over, blog van Duarte Levy: "A letter sent by another prisoner contradicts this version: she affirms that, while in prison, Joana’s mother had said that she had fallen down the stairs but that after a meeting with the prison director, she changed her version and said instead that she had been tortured and that she hoped to receive damages.

Despite several confrontations with the inspectors, Leonor Cipriano was unable to make any positive identification. The public prosecutor nonetheless decided to proceed with the lawsuit, even though he admitted that he, himself, could not guarantee that the inspectors being charged had anything to do with the alleged assault or whether any such assault had even actually taken place."

Nou ja, een onfrisse kwestie die zeker wel is misbruikt door de Britse pers die zonder meer Gonçalo Amaral in het verdomhoekje heeft gezet.
En net wat de Daily Mail schrijftL "He has not been suspended and Portuguese legal sources said that even if he were found guilty, it was possible he would not lose his job."

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In een iets ander geschreven artikel maar hetzelfde onderwerp qua The People, namelijk de mogelijke aanklacht tegen de McCanns aangaande neglect schrijft 24 Horas:
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McCanns Risk Ten Years in Jail
Public Ministry prepares an accusation for Exposition/Abandonment and Negligence against Maddie's parents


"The Public Ministry has collected enough evidence to accuse the McCanns even if there is or not a re-enactment of the facts that occurred in the day the girl went missing". The guarantee was given to 24Horas by a judiciary officer who has been following the investigation. The same source added that the indictment might only take place in July and that the McCanns can incur in a penalty "that can go up to 10 years in jail". Another source connected to the case concluded: "We know that the girl disappeared and there are strong evidences that she died in the apartment, apparently in an accidental way. There are also strong probabilities that her corpse was hidden. Nonetheless, independently from that, there is clear proof under the Portuguese Legislation that the parents of the child left her exposed to an eventual kidnapping, like they did with her twin siblings. That is a crime of Negligence and Exposition/Abandonment over people they had the duty to protect.

Ongoing Investigations

Contacted by the 24Horas, Guilhermino Encarnação, the assistant director of the Judiciary Police and the very person in charge of the Directorship of Faro, merely said: "the investigations continue and when there is something relevant to reveal" about the mediatic case "that will be done through the official channels". (dus is er niks zeker en kan dit artikel gewoon nergens op slaan. Want er zijn nog verhoren gaande wat betreft de statements van de Tapas 7 en wat er daana mogelijk volgt nav de gevonden DNA-sporen)

A source from Portimão's Court assured to 24Horas that the Public Prosecutor Magalhães e Menezes, the responsible for the administration of the inquest, is already working in the accusations against the McCanns and that will be made public "very soon". That is, the probability for the McCanns to stop being arguidos in the following months is almost null. 24Horas also knows that Robert Murat and his companion [Michaela Walczuch] have strong possibilities of not being implicated in the accusation. Source: 24Horas Bron
Maar stel dat het bovenstaande artikel (op onderdelen) eventueel enigszins op waarheid (ik ga voor neglect én moord. al of niet opzettelijk) berust dan nog zijn de straffen in Portugal niet mals:
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Portuguese Judicial Code
Article 138
Exposure or abandonment


1 - Whom endangers the life of another person:
a) By exposing her in a place where the person is subject to a situation which she cannot defend herself from on her own; or

b) By abandoning her in a defenseless state, for motive of age, physical defect or illness, when the agent had the duty to guard, watch or assist to the person;
is punished with a prison term of 1 to 5 years.

2 - If the fact is practised by an ascendant or descendant, adoptant or adoptee of the victim, the agent is punished with a prison term of 2 to 5 years.

3 - If the fact results in:
a) Serious offense to the physical integrity, the agent is punished with a prison term of 2 to 8 years;
b) Death, the agent is punished with a prison term of 3 to 10 years. Bron
Overige meningen over dit 'nieuws' zijn hier te lezen...

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Anyway, ook de bankgegevens van de McCanns en hun Tapas-vrienden worden onderzocht, zo meldt de Portugese zender TV1
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Comptes en banque des McCann investigués Bank accounts of McCann investigated (Google vertaling)

As part of the ongoing investigation in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the Judicial Police (PJ) claims to have access to the movement of bank accounts of his parents but also those of the seven British who have accompanied them during their stay in Portugal.

According to the Portuguese television channel TVI, investigators want to know the exact nature of the payments before and after the death of Madeleine. Arguidos the investigation into the disappearance of their daughter, McCann will continue to maintain this status despite pressure from his lawyers and British diplomacy.

Recently PJ asked them to return to Praia da Luz in order to participate in a re-enactment of the night of the disappearance of their daughter, but the couple refuses to return without guarantees not to be harassed by the police. The other arguido in the investigation, the British Robert Murat, unconditionally agreed to the request of investigators. Bron
En in een vertaling op websleuths:
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PJ want McCann bank details
TVI, Updated 21 April 2008, 21:21

PJ intends to obtain access to the banking transactions for Madeleine McCann's parents and their seven friends who accompanied them on the holidays in the Algarve. The investigators' objective is to determine the purchases made before and after the girl's disappearance. PJ is also waiting to receive the report of the analysis of the biologic vestiges sent to the Birmingham lab. Almost a year after Maddie's disappearance, many questions remain unanswered, in a process which has once again extended the secrecy of justice. The only certainty is that the police investigations are inconclusive.
Ik zag dit nieuws al gisteravond op het 3arguidoforum (en vanmorgen nog een topic hierover) maar had ff wat anders te doen, wat eerste reacties hierop:
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Just seen on TV1 here in Portugal, on a breaking news story that the PJ are to investigate the Mccanns bank accounts, anyone got any more details? Am wondering if it is the same station that the program which is going to be aired at 9.10p.m. on the same channel if it is a "proper news story" or is it a breaking news like sky?
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I saw it.
They said the PJ wants the moviments of the bank accounts of all the tapas 9 to check what they purchased before and after madeleine's disappearance it is part of the rogatory letter also they said that FSS are still making tests.
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Nothing on spanish news or sky.god i hope its true.the fraud case sadly will be bigger than the death of madeleine...The whole family are involved in this and close friends..
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This is from a very reliable Portugues lady from the Sky message boards.

" Break news in PT TV:

new details in Maddies case

PJ asked Uk police the bank details of the tapas friends and parents and with that they know where thete were in the days after and day before 3rd of May

PT lab gave some results and PJ is only waiting for the resulst of UK lab to do something.

PJ continue to believe that Maddie died inside the apartement and parents are involved.

I will try to post the article of TVI "
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Just the news already imparted that there are investigations for fraud being carried out in Ireland.......mainly focussed on the HTFM site.
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From the duplicate thread - they are looking at transactions on the day before Madeleines disappearance
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not that I am dancing with joy here, but if it is breaking news on a PT channel, there must be something going on. They could just put it in a paper tomorrow.
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Exactly mulderscully, IMO the fund and the bank accounts etc have been already investigated, now it has just been made official and has been covered in the rogatory letters, all the i's dotted and the t's crossed, now the information will be passed from one nations force to the PT.
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If they are looking at transaction on the day before the disappearance then this is very interesting. Things that are springing into my mind are - they are looking to see what was in the accounts before and to see if any substantial amounts of money have been moved into or out of their accounts. Have they been paid a sum in as payment for their daughter, or have they paid a sum out for someone to take their daughter away. They might also be looking at times and places of money transactions to see if any unusual trips had been made, payments for dubious activities, boat hire, car hires etc., payments to unknown persons. I would have thought that they would have looked at all this ages ago.
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De hier genoemde HTFM-site, die mogelijk ook op fraude wordt onderzocht, is die beruchte support-cult-beweging...
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En Joana Morais meldt hierover:
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PJ wants McCanns Bank Transactions
The objective of the investigators is to identify which purchases they did before and after the disappearance of the girl. The Judiciary Police intends to have access to the bank transactions of Madeleine’s parents and of the seven friends who accompanied them on holidays to the Algarve. This request was also in the Rogatory Letter .

The Rogatory Letter Saga

The Home Office in October 2007 raised some questions to Eurojust and the Letter was sent back to the Portugal, to the Public Prosecution Service.

The rogatory letter was then sent, a second time back to the Home Office, on the 7th January 2008 by the Public Prosecutor José Cunha de Magalhães e Menezes, the responsible for the administration of the inquest through the EU body, Eurojust.

In February 2008 the Public Prosecutor of the Portimão's court, Magalhães e Menezes as well as the team that conducted the investigations concerning Madeleine McCann were losing their patience with the delay of the British authorities in giving green light to the execution of the rogatory letter. "This is reaching unacceptable proportions. In a case like this, if there was cooperation, the rogatory letter would be fulfilled in less than a month. This is going on since October last year with the English returning the letter and making mere bureaucratic demands. We already sent a new rogatory more than two weeks ago and the only thing we have is the silence of the police and diplomatic authorities" and "Like this is difficult to make an investigation", concluded the source connected to the process.

The Forensics Delay

Almost at the end of April 2008 the Judiciary Police is still waiting the final report of the analyses of the biological evidences which were sent to the Forensic Science Service [FSS], a laboratory in Birmingham, England on August 2007. The same laboratory which was supposed to do DNA analyses in less than 36 hours. The remaining analyses done by the Instituto Nacional de Medicina Legal [INML] - National Institute of Legal Medicine were completed after 1 month.

The first results of the FSS analyses to the evidences taken from the McCanns' apartment in Praia da Luz, their hire car and other parts of the Mark Warner holiday complex, were inconclusive. A senior source close to the investigation reportedly said: "There is no reason to change the direction of the investigation and everything that has emerged indicates that it is focusing where it should. "This is a very complex case and forensics are rarely conclusive on their own, but the new material adds to the existing picture that has been built up by police and fills in a few more pieces of the jigsaw." Sources added that the tests raised more questions into the explanations offered by the McCanns for the original results, thought to have shown traces of Madeleine's blood in the family apartment and of her bodily fluids in the McCanns' hire car.

Almost a year after Maddie's disappearance, many questions remain without an answer, in a process in which the secrecy of justice was extended for a second time.
Kan zijn dat de vertraging komt vanwege een aantal gevonden DNA-sporen die mogelijk ook Low Copy Number betreffen (zie eerdere post) en zou het langer kunnen duren maar vreemd is het toch wel....

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  dinsdag 22 april 2008 @ 12:55:10 #102
145755 kahaarin
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quote:
Op dinsdag 22 april 2008 08:47 schreef Suko het volgende:
En Joana Morais meldt hierover:
Oh, dus, nog meer shady developments, die support group is idd een beetje eng, hopelijk komt hier een beetje duidelijkheid in, zal tijd worden.
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Kan zijn dat de vertraging komt vanwege een aantal gevonden DNA-sporen die mogelijk ook Low Copy Number betreffen (zie eerdere post) en zou het langer kunnen duren maar vreemd is het toch wel....
Ik hoop eigenlijk dat de PJ in alle stilte alle bewijs verzamelt en dan ineens met een afsluiting komt van deze zaak, dus gewoon een gag-order handhaaft totdat ze er daar uit zijn.
Ik denk dus dat er geen vertragig is maar echt totale stilte voor de storm, misschien is het wel een geval van de wens is de vader van de gedachte hoor.
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Madeleine McCann: Ecuador, National Treasures And Tabloid Bingo
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann

THE GUARDIAN: “Time’s running out to preserve our treasures”

The children?

Transferring text, audio and images to a PC often unearths forgotten gems from the archives. But will we be able to save them all.

Oh:

Sarah Niblock, head of journalism at Brunel University, frequently uses news archives as a teaching tool. “Because we try to encourage students to reflect on practice, it’s important to be able to show them the trajectory that a story has taken, the evolution of that story. For instance, we’ve recently had the culmination of many long heated debates over the coverage of the Madeleine McCann situation. To be able to look back at the coverage, compare and contrast, ask questions about it - and to be able to do that at the push of a button … archives are tremendous for that.”

THE BIRMINGHAM POST: “Does the Ecuador tragedy mean we need to better protect our children?”

A coach crash that kills five British backpackers. What has this to do with Madeleine McCann. Surely, she was not in Ecuador?

One can only imagine what the parents of those poor young women killed on a gap year trip to Ecuador are going through.

Not in the Mail - there you can almost taste the pain.

Most people my age will remember running around freely when they were kids and getting up to all sorts of mischief with their mates.

Strange then that now we are parents we don’t afford our own children the same freedom and trust. We feel guilty if we let them on a bike without a crash helmet on.

Why this is so? Maybe it’s got something to do with the mass media where stories such as the abduction of Madeleine McCann are played over and over again in minute detail.

Dead backpackers. A missing child. Compare and contrast. It’s tabloid bingo…



Madeleine McCann - selling papers
http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/183197.html

Rondje Anorak, geen nieuws is ook nieuws blijkbaar.
be nice or go away
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Indeed, a tabloid bingo, wat een zooi bull! Maar ik heb ook nog een 'verrassend' 'nieuwtje'...not. Want wat schrijft 24 Horas:
quote:
McCanns' spokesman surprised about the possibility that the couple may be accused of neglect
Maddie's parents indignant over accusations from the Judiciaria


The McCanns are indignant. Maddie's parents do not understand why, according to what 24 Horas reported yesterday, it is only now that the Public Ministry assumes that there is enough evidence to condemn them to ten years in prison for exposure and neglect. The formal accusation is to take place in July, pressuposing that Maddie died an accidental death in the apartment and that her cadaver was then concealed. Apart from that, the authorities believe that Gerry and Kate left the little girl exposed to a sequestration situation, just like their twin children, when they abandoned them inside the apartment while they dined with friends on the evening of the disappearance.

"We are not going to comment on that matter because we have not received any official information from the Portuguese authorities", Clarence Mitchell said to 24 Horas yesterday. The McCann family's spokesman said that Gerry and Kate were "suprised" when they heard about the possible accusation.

"They found it strange that that matter became public only now. Why was that not discussed a few months ago?", Clarence Mitchell questioned, and did not comment further.
Oké, verontwaardigd en verrast zijn Kate en Gerry, maar dan toch niet over het gegeven dat 24 Horas dit zinnetje plaatst "when they abandoned them inside the apartment while they dined with friends on the evening of the disappearance." Goed zo Clarence Mitchell, als de PJ daarvan bewijs heeft, ik bedoel, dat Madeleine op 3 mei nog leefde...

En verder zit ik wat te grasduinem op het inmiddels welbekende forum waar o.a. iemand schrijft:
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"The McCanns' lawyers have really been trying to stop the reconstruction. Because of the difficulties they (McCanns and lawyers)
are causing, Eurojust have stepped in and the case is now a joint investigation (Leicestershire Police and the PJ).

The minimum charge is neglect. (This is to stop the McCann team in their tracks), but more charges will follow.

As I said before, the CCTV from the bar in the Ocean Club revealed the real time lines and who left the tables. [Juxtapose
also said this.]

The maximum charge will be manslaughter.

The fund is revealing to the PJ and Leicestershire Police - money laundering via Metodo3 is one definite, but there are others
Deze poster (Ellibean) heeft vorig jaar ook filmpjes gebakken vanuit Praia da Luz, die zijn hier te vinden.

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Maar goed, 24 Horas heeft alweer een artikel over de vertraging wat betreft het bewijsmateriaal (vertaling Li):
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The PJ is still waiting the for the transactions made with credit cards

Phone calls analysed with magnifying glass Only now the PJ received the list of the phone calls made by Maddie's parents and friends. The registers of three persons are still missing.

"Drop by drop". This is the way how a responsible connected to the investigations on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann describes the way that the data of the phone calls made by the parents and friends on that day arrive to the PJ. The registers were asked more than six months ago to the British but only now they begin to arrive. "The British authorities already send us several invoices of phone calls made by the group, included the McCanns, but there are still some registers missing", said the same source. We discovered that the missing data are from three friends of the McCanns and that is the reason why the complete analysis cannot be made. "Everything is being duly analysed but the crossing of the data means that we have to get the missing calls. Without them is impossible to reach any conclusion because two of the persons involved in the process are fundamental to the investigation", the source explained.
An investigator that was connected to the case in its initial phase said that "since the first hour the investigations came up against bureaucratic problems".

"An investigation in a case like this must be quick. But when we tried to obtain evidence we were confronted with incredible bureaucracy. An urgent rogatory letter took more than five months to be authorised", he added.
To cross phone data is now a team task directed by the director Guilhermino Encarnação and by the coordinator Paulo Rebelo.

Police and banks in silence

But apart from the phone calls the public prosecutor Magalhães e Menezes still waits the register of the bank transactions made by all people that dinned in the Tapas Bar. The objective is to know where the arguidos and the main witnesses were in the day the child disappeared.

"Although that request was made informally to the British police more than seven months ago and officially requested afterwards in the rogatory letter ( five months ago) the truth is that we did not have yet any reply", said to the 24 Horas a police source. Officially Encarnação and Paulo Rebelo are laconic about the case. None of them say anything because the process "is in secret of justice".
Aan de andere kant, het komt de McCanns wél goed uit dat bepaalde stukken nog niet zijn vrijgegeven. Mogelijk berust dit artikel zelfs op spin en dat het publiek wordt wijsgemaakt dat er (nog) niks te bewijzen valt....

Zoals Coldwater, die vanaf het begin met de kwestie bezig is en kennelijk contacten heeft, stelt: "I shouldn't worry - 24horas is not quite up to speed. Everything is progressing just fine. Obviously there will be some who don't wish to believe that - however, the process is moving forward. It would also appear that 'others' are important to the case. These 'others' will likely be charged as well."
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Op dinsdag 22 april 2008 12:55 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
>knip<

Ik hoop eigenlijk dat de PJ in alle stilte alle bewijs verzamelt en dan ineens met een afsluiting komt van deze zaak, dus gewoon een gag-order handhaaft totdat ze er daar uit zijn.
Ik denk dus dat er geen vertragig is maar echt totale stilte voor de storm, misschien is het wel een geval van de wens is de vader van de gedachte hoor.
Ik denk dat je gelijk hebt/krijgt Kahaarin.

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Gonçalo Amaral retires (vertaling Li)
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Gonçalo Amaral former coordinator of the Department of Criminal Investigation of the PJ of Portimão, goes into retirement. The request for retirement was presented a month ago and was accepted last week by the National Directory of the PJ. The JN knows that one of the motives for this decision were more than 38 years in the force and the wish to recuperate his "freedom of expression". The former coordinator was the head of the investigations in the case of the British girl Madeleine McCann and was removed due to declarations given to the "Diário de Notícias" with critics to the British police. Jornal de Notícias
Sommige voorspellen een boek, tenslotte was hij vanaf het begon betrokken en was ook degene die de McCanns Arguido's verklaarde. Iets wat later door de PJ als iets te vroeg werd bevonden omdat de McCanns als mogelijk getuigen meer waardevol konden zijn. Maar ja, patstelling dus, als je niks wil zeggen dat wordt men Arguido en vervolgens het recht op zwijgen. Amaral kan straks goed cashen, als eenmaal de Secrecy Law wordt opgeheven, ik gun 't hem ook nog. De Bristse pers heeft hem finaal de grond ingeboord, een aanklacht tegen een aantal kranten zou ook nog kunnen. De McCanns én hun vriendjes én iedereen daarom heen zijn nog niet van hem af, Amaral weet veel, heel veel...

Hij heeft veel support gehad van met name fora+bloggers:
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Gonçalo Amaral sends thanks to all his supporters and says we will very soon know the 'Truth about the Lie', EXCLUSIVE to this site, 23 April 2008
Message from Gonçalo Amaral

As you can understand, I can't do any comment about the investigation on the "McCann Case"... (I have omitted the next part, in the interests of privacy but this did not in any way compromise the judicial secrecy laws)

Looking towards my freedom of speech, I asked for my retirement last month. All the insults, false accusations and lie's from the past year are now being brought to court from my lawyers (the very last one is from Daily Mail, yesterday).

I would like to say thank you to the thousands of persons that every day, for the last year, are supporting me all over the world. I would like to answer all the phone calls, emails and letters, but is not possible...there are so many! As you can imagine, most of the days are not that easy, and these messages have been a great support not only for me, but also for my family. Once again, thank you all!

You're allowed do display this message on you site, and I thank you for that. One last thing:

*Soon, very soon the world will know the "Truth about the Lie" and "we will gain truth and justice for a little girl who has no voice", dead on the evening of May 3rd at apartment 5A, Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Algarve, Portugal"*

Best regards,
Gonçalo Amaral Bron
Dat bewuste artikel uit de Daily Mail: Madeleine: Detective to be tried for perjury in child murder case Zie verder de reacties op 3arguido's, veroorzaakt nogal wat onrust: Message from Goncalo Amaral *PLEASE READ*

[ Bericht 11% gewijzigd door Suko op 23-04-2008 19:24:13 ]
  donderdag 24 april 2008 @ 10:44:26 #106
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Op woensdag 23 april 2008 08:40 schreef Suko het volgende:
Maar goed, 24 Horas heeft alweer een artikel over de vertraging wat betreft het bewijsmateriaal (vertaling Li):
Goh, wat vreemd, hoeveel verschillenden verhalen hebben we hier nu over gezien?
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Aan de andere kant, het komt de McCanns wél goed uit dat bepaalde stukken nog niet zijn vrijgegeven. Mogelijk berust dit artikel zelfs op spin en dat het publiek wordt wijsgemaakt dat er (nog) niks te bewijzen valt....
Precies, de schijn nog even ophouden, laat ze maar denken.
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Zoals Coldwater, die vanaf het begin met de kwestie bezig is en kennelijk contacten heeft, stelt: "I shouldn't worry - 24horas is not quite up to speed. Everything is progressing just fine. Obviously there will be some who don't wish to believe that - however, the process is moving forward. It would also appear that 'others' are important to the case. These 'others' will likely be charged as well."
Coldwater lijkt wel vaker inside info te hebben, hij zegt iig wat ik dacht.
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Ik denk dat je gelijk hebt/krijgt Kahaarin.
Hey, gaan we katten!
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Member of the Tapas Nine attacks Madeleine police for 'outrageous' media smears

A friend of Kate and Gerry McCann, who was with them the night their daughter Madeleine disappeared, has launched a furious attack on the Portuguese police.

Rachael Oldfield, a member of Tapas Seven, accused detectives of 'outrageous' leaks of case information to the media.

She said officers were guilty of 'double standards' for insisting the group obey strict secrecy laws.


Tapas Nine: (Clockwise from top left) Fiona Payne, Jane Tanner, Russell O' Brien and Rachael Oldfield, who has accused the PJ of 'outrageous' leaks to the media

She told the BBC: 'They leaked information and these rumours that have flown around for the past year - it is outrageous. We have all felt very angry about it.

'We were asked to comply with the Portuguese judicial secrecy laws (under) which we were made to understand that we could face two years in prison for speaking out.

'So, as a group, we have not said anything from day one. There have been all these rumours flying around and leaks from sources close to the PJ (Policia Judiciaria), which we haven't been able to refute.

'We would have loved to have spoken out really and just put the record straight, but believed that the investigation would be the best way of finding Madeleine if we co-operated with the police and complied by their rules and regulations.'


Her comments were made in the documentary Searching for Madeleine, which is due to be broadcast tonight on Radio 4.

Madeleine went missing from her family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, on May 3 last year.


Leaks: Kate and Gerry McCann with a picture of their missing daughter Madeleine. The couple have already accused the Portuguese police of 'blatant' attempts to smear them

Although the McCanns remain arguidos - suspects - in their daughter's disappearance, they deny any wrongdoing.

Mrs Oldfield said: 'Anyone with an ounce of common sense would be able to see they couldn't have done it.'

Earlier this month, the McCanns accused Portuguese police of a 'blatant' attempt to smear them after transcripts from police interviews with the couple were leaked through journalist Nacho Abad, of Spanish television programme Ana Rosa Quintana.

On the day the couple, from Rothley, Leicestershire, were in Brussels to launch a bid for a Europe-wide missing-child alert system, it emerged that Madeleine had asked her mother the night before she disappeared: "Mum, why didn't you come when we were crying last night?".


Missing: Madeleine McCann disappeared from her parents' holiday apartment last May

Kate McCann told police of the conversation in her first interview after her daughter went missing.

She added: "Gerry and I talked about it for several minutes and decided to watch over the children more carefully at night."

On May 2, Mrs Oldfield was in the next-door flat - on the other side of Madeleine's wall - all evening and heard no crying.

The Tapas Seven - Mrs Oldfield and her husband Matthew, Jane Tanner, her partner Dr Russell O'Brien, David Payne, his wife Fiona, and her mother Dianne Webster - took it in turns to make regular, 20-minute checks on the children during the night.

After the leak, the McCanns urged the Portuguese Justice Ministry to launch an internal investigation into the disclosures.

At the time, the family's spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "Kate and Gerry have been subjected to leaks and smears from day one and I'm afraid this has all the hallmarks of yet another poor attempt to influence the headlines on the very day that they are seeking to achieve some good in Europe."

His comments prompted an angry response from Portuguese police who said the claims were "baseless".

A spokesman for the PJ said: "The Policia Judiciaria regrets the baseless intervention of the spokesman above all at a moment when significant moves were being made in the investigation."

From within Portugal, the police are coming under pressure to make public the case files which, under judicial secrecy laws, currently remain closed.

Antonio Marinho e Pinto, President of the Portuguese Order of Lawyers, told the BBC: "There are strong reasons to fear that judicial secrecy is being used... to conceal the fact that the police have gone down a blind alley and don't have a way out."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=561667&in_page_id=1770&ito=newsnow
Ah, gossie, ze zijn boos.....

En dan dit:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=561420&in_page_id=1770&ito=newsnow

Dat zou een artikel moeten zijn met deze titel: Kate McCann's tears of regret for using holiday firm that 'failed to provide baby-listening service...

Maar dit staat er: Article:561420 Not Found

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Dat artikel over die listening-service (die er er niet was omdat de apartementen buiten de hekken gebouwd zijn, wel een oppasservice (zelf halen/brengen) en Nanniy's, in de prijs inbegrepen, wilde ze niet) staat er nog wel in de DM, is alleen verplaatst > hier dus. Maar weet je, ik reageer daar niet eens meer op. Er is zoveel rubbish nu aan de gang, was al te verwachten. Ook de BBC heeft dat verhaal over die lekken. Iets wat nu wel bekend is dat die lek van onlangs in Spaanse hoek moet worden gezocht, wie zouden dat nou zijn???? Eén van de vele bronnen. Ik zeg maar zo en ik citeer mijn grootmoeder, hoe groter het verhaal. hoe groter de leugen. Clarence Mitchell & Co...drop dead!

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  donderdag 24 april 2008 @ 15:22:46 #108
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Op donderdag 24 april 2008 11:28 schreef Suko het volgende:
Dat artikel over die listening-service (die er er niet was omdat de apartementen buiten de hekken gebouwd zijn, wel een oppasservice (zelf halen/brengen) en Nanniy's, in de prijs inbegrepen, wilde ze niet) staat er nog wel in de DM, is alleen verplaatst > hier dus. Maar weet je, ik reageer daar niet eens meer op. Er is zoveel rubbish nu aan de gang, was al te verwachten. Ook de BBC heeft dat verhaal over die lekken. Iets wat nu wel bekend is dat die lek van onlangs in Spaanse hoek moet worden gezocht, wie zouden dat nou zijn???? Eén van de vele bronnen. Ik zeg maar zo en ik citeer mijn grootmoeder, hoe groter het verhaal. hoe groter de leugen. Clarence Mitchell & Co...drop dead!

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Ah, dankjewel, hoe moeilijk is het om de link even aan te passen? Het valt ook niet op, een artikel dat een beetje kritisch is op een andere plek neerzetten en dan de link niet aanpassen.
Mooie link die vertaalsite, ook in de gaten houden.

http://www.telegraph.co.u(...)osplit/madeleine.xml

Deze link verzamelt alle nieuws maar 1 keer, ze zoeken per 'nieuwsfeit' 1 artikel uit, ook wel zo overzichtelijk.
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  donderdag 24 april 2008 @ 15:59:24 #109
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Handige link !
FOK!'s rode weduwe.
  donderdag 24 april 2008 @ 16:46:22 #110
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Op donderdag 24 april 2008 15:59 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
Handige link !
Hey de nieuwe MIS-mod, gefeliciteerd!
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  donderdag 24 april 2008 @ 17:33:47 #111
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Ik dacht ook al, waar blijfttie, het rondje Anorak van vandaag:
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Madeleine McCann: Rachel Oldfield
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann



BBC Radio: Rachael Oldfield, who was with Kate and Gerry McCann in Portugal, is on the radio. Says she:

“We were made to understand we could face two years in prison for speaking out, so as a group we’ve not said anything from day one.

But people did talk? And there was a spokesperson?

“And there have been all these rumours flying around and leaks from sources close to the PJ [the Policia Judiciaria - Portuguese police].”

Asked to characterise police actions, she replied: “Well, double standards. They leaked information and these rumours which have flown around for the past year…

“We would have loved to have put the record straight.”

What of Robert Murat?

Separately, a senior figure in Portugal with direct knowledge of the investigation has told a BBC Radio 4 documentary there is only a slim chance of murder or manslaughter charges being filed against Kate and Gerry McCann or Robert Murat, the third arguido.


LEICESTER MERCURY: “‘LIGHT A CANDLE FOR MADDY’”

The Helping to Find Madeleine group, which is affiliated to her parents’ official organisation, has called its campaign Lighting the Way Home.

Member Maxine Harris, of Market Harborough, said: “Just light a candle or leave an outside light on - that is what we would like people to do.

Like for Elijah. Is it energy efficient?

“We are concerned with keeping Madeleine’s profile high and making sure people don’t forget her.”
http://www.anorak.co.uk/reality-tv/183289.html

Pas net op de site tezien, misschien even vergeten oid.
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Op donderdag 24 april 2008 16:46 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Hey de nieuwe MIS-mod, gefeliciteerd!
Ook zo!

Het is werkelijk één massale aanval op het onderzoek én dus de PJ. En dat terwijl niemand maar dan ook niemand uit de McCann-clan heeft willen meewerken om ten eerste écht naar hun kind te zoeken én te willen weten wat er is gebeurt indien men van mening is van niets te weten cq onschuldig te zijn. Altijd melden te willen meewerken maar als het er op aankomt, zoals bv die reconstructie, 1000 en één smoezen verzinnen om te weigeren.Nooit zelf gezocht, nooit op plekken geweest met een serieuze sithing, nooit de verantwoordelijkheid genomen dat ze fout waren met het alleen van hun kinderen, nooit de bescheidenheid in acht genomen hun naam in een andere vermissingsverhalen te benadrukken etc etc. Een aaneenschakeling van feiten die IMO alleen maar kunnen/moeten wijzen op betrokkenheid wat betreft de vermissing/dood van Madeleine, geholpen door de Britse overheid én de Britse pers. Niemand wil kennelijk de waarheid 'kennen.' Men houdt zich alleen bezig met het verzamelen van geld/roem en daar wordt iedereen en van alles voor misbruikt, dan kunnen we dagelijks lezen. Punt.

Die Telegraph-link is misschien wel handig maar ook die krant is een kanaal voor de rubbish van Clarence Mitchell.

Tenslotte een keiharde maar terechte post van Beachy die spijkers met koppen wil slaan, dit nav het 'zelf' genomen ontslag van Amaral:
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Message to Alipio Ribeiro, head of the PJ:

Congratulations, Mr. Ribeiro. We know now that it's official: Goncalo Amaral is taking early retirement. He won't be around to embarrass you any more.

Of course, neither will he be around to perform the impressive feats of narcotics interdiction he's been doing for the past 28 years, to work inhuman hours at the expence of his own family life trying to find missing children like Joana Cipriano and Madeleine McCann, or to stand up virtually alone for months, with no support from you, against the slanders of the British press. He won't be there to literally beg the parents of the next child who goes missing in the Algarve not to put out an ill-advised wanted poster that he believes could make her a liability to anyone who has her and mark her for death. He won't be there to do whatever he feels is necessary to find a missing child even if the parents DO have impressive and powerful friends who can pressure the Portuguese government.

We have read in the papers in the past two days that Chief Inspector Amaral is considering an offer to go into security working for a private company. His lawyers are also looking at libel suits against the British press. He will probably make far, far more money in the next few years than he ever made as a policeman. But I think he didn't want to go. I think he would have been willing to continue to work for a copper's pay and put up with a copper's hours if he had enjoyed a little support from you. He didn't get it. That is YOUR loss, and the PJ's.

Who's next, Mr. Ribeiro? Guilhermino Encarnacao? Luis Neves? God help us (and you), Paulo Rebelo?

When are you going to REALLY apologise for your incredible statement that the public prosecutor may have been "hasty" in making the McCanns arguidos? When are you going to stop mouthing platitudes about all avenues of investigation being open in the Madeleine McCann case? That is laughable. The investigation thus far has ruled out the possibility that Madeleine was abducted, and you know it. The reason this case hasn't already been solved is because, under political pressure, the PJ kept investigating that angle for so long.

WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO STOP WORRYING ABOUT WHAT THE BRITISH THINK AND STAND UP FOR THE MEN AND WOMEN IN YOUR ORGANISATION, AND FOR PORTUGAL?

We're waiting. But in the meantime, congratulations anyway. You got what you wanted. I hope you enjoy living with it/

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Het échte nieuws is te lezen op o.a. The Three Arguidos Forum + Joana Morais + mccannfiles.
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Zou het tij keren??? Onlangs schreef ik al, dat columnisten angstwekkend stil blijven, met uitzondering van Matthew Parris van The Times.

Stop shifting the blame, Kate The Sun
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Jon Gaunt - Sun columnist
Published: Today

IS it just me or are the McCanns getting on your nerves too?

I have enormous sympathy for them losing a child but I am getting fed up of them blaming everyone else for their misfortune.

I heard about the McCanns’ latest trip around Europe while on holiday and although I think the amber alert system is a good idea, when I need tips on childcare from the McCanns I’ll ask.

Now, in a new TV documentary, Kate says that she wanted a baby monitor but the resort didn’t have one. So instead she, Gerry and the Tapas Seven made the bizarre decision to eat out every night and leave three young children home alone.

I’m sorry, in any language that’s child neglect. So instead of touring Europe proposing amber alert systems, I would like them to clearly just send out one message to all parents: NEVER EVER MAKE OUR MISTAKE AND LEAVE YOUR CHILDREN ALONE IN A STRANGE HOTEL ROOM.

And, by the way, I’m not being heartless, just honest.

Smears

I am also fed up to the back teeth of the smears and counter smears from both camps, so why don’t the McCanns and the Tapas Seven just shut up, get on the plane, return to Portugal and do the police reconstruction? At the same time, why don’t the Portuguese plods stop spinning and start analysing and either charge them formally or remove their official suspect status?

It’s nearly a year since little Madeleine went missing and the focus needs to return to her, not the other characters in this sorry saga.
Ook ergens in een hoekje schreef Daily Mail-columnist Richard Littlejohn:
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Stop the carnival

This column has pretty much steered clear of the Madeleine McCann story. The fact is, no one knows what happened to her - except those who took her or covered up her disappearance.

But she's been gone a year and we must fear the worst.

I've always been uneasy about the media carnival, but figured if that's what got her parents through the night, what business was it of mine.

However, one year on, there's something distasteful about the continuing round of claim and counter-claim, blame and counter-blame.

Gerry and Kate McCann should be left alone with their demons, with our sympathy, and not live out their guilt in public any longer. The police and the private detectives should be left to get on with their job. The Tapas Seven, the McCanns' PR man, the professional ghouls should all keep their theories to themselves.

It's time Team Maddie was wound up.
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Book solves Maddie case ...The book will try to put an ending to the Madeleine case... Correio da Manhã
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Investigation: Explosive data reported by inspector Gonçalo Amaral

Rui Pando Gomes, Friday April 25, 2008
(Thanks to 'Li' from the3arguidos forum for translation)

The inspector of the Criminal Police, Gonçalo Amaral, that coordinated the team who investigated Maddie's disappearance has already a title for a book about the case: "Truth of the Lie", ‘Verdade da Mentira’.

The CM discovered that the book is almost finished and contains explosive elements about the investigation concerning the disappearance of the British girl in Praia da Luz, Algarve, the 3rd of May last year.Apart from important data about what happened in that night in the Ocean Club, the "several manoeuvres of counter information" around the big media case of the last years will be revealed.

"It won't be something speculative but factual, with reports of someone who lived the case one hundred per cent", referred to the CM Paulo Santo, the defence lawyer of the PJ's inspector who is in the process of retirement. The lawyer of Gonçalo Amaral, hired to defend his image after the controversy regarding his removal from the coordination of Maddie's case, confirmed to the CM that there is already a publisher interested in the book.

"The fact that the retirement process is not yet fulfilled and the secrecy of justice that are in place at this moment stipulate the publishing of the book" said the lawyer of Gonçalo Amaral. The book will try to put an end to Maddie's case.
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Het échte nieuws/info is te lezen op o.a. het Three Arguidos Forum + Joana Morais + mccannfiles.
  vrijdag 25 april 2008 @ 13:07:50 #114
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Goedemiddag.

Het lijkt er wel op Suko, het tij is aan het keren en de mensen rond de McCanns lijken wel zonder mogelijkheden te zitten om alles wat krom is recht te praten, als je alles stript tot de naakte feiten zoals de bovenstaande schrijvers in jouw links doen wat blijft er dan over?
Een upper class stel dat de kinderen alleen heeft gelaten en rustig is gaan dineren terwijl op de één of andere manier hun oudste kind is weggelopen/meegenomen of erger is verdonkeremaand door de ouders zelf, al het andere wat er omheen is gepubliceerd is valse lucht, die mensen behoren onder toezicht gesteld te worden van child protective services en moeten hun ogen uit hun kop schamen vanwege hun gedrag, niet meer en niet minder.

En hier nog maar eens een voorbeeldje van wat ik bedoel met valse lucht:
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McCanns given no update on Madeleine hunt

Madeleine McCann's parents have so little contact with Portuguese detectives they can not be sure if police are still looking for her, her father said yesterday.
Gerry McCann said he and his wife Kate were receiving no information on the progress of the investigation and had been given no explanation as to why files are still being kept secret.


Volgens mij hebben ze zelf een heel groot onderzoeksteam, als die nu eens gaan doen waar ze voor betaald worden, Metodo3 had toch beweerd dat ze met kerst thuis zou zijn?

Rachael Oldfield, one of the couple's close friends and a key ADVERTISEMENTwitness in the case, described the situation as "astounding".

Interviewed for the documentary Searching for Madeleine which was broadcast on BBC Radio 4 last night, Mrs Oldfield said the couple have had no direct contact with Portuguese detective Paulo Rebelo, the man heading the inquiry.

Nee natuurlijk niet, ze zijn verdachten.

And she accused the Policia Judiciaria (PJ) of "outrageous" leaking and "double standards" over Portugal's strict secrecy laws.

Kate and Gerry McCann were declared "arguidos" – or formal suspects – in the case in September although they deny any involvement in Madeleine's disappearance.

Their status makes any contact with the police far less likely but they have received no information on whether it is to be lifted.

"I think it's safe to say we're getting very little information," Mr McCann told the programme.

"We haven't had any communication in terms of what's been done in the investigation."

Asked by interviewer Steve Kingstone whether he is convinced the police are still trying to find his daughter, Mr McCann replies: "I don't know because we don't have that information.

"Obviously we'd like to know. We'd like to know why the files are still secret almost a year on with a change in the penal code.

"We would like to know what is being done to find Madeleine.

"We'd like know who has been eliminated from the inquiry and on what grounds and what leads are still being followed.

"We've always said we want to leave no stone unturned and to do that we need to know which stones have already been overturned."

Mrs Oldfield, a member of the so-called "Tapas Seven" – the friends who were dining with the McCanns in Praia da Luz, Portugal, on the night of May 3 last year when Madeleine disappeared – also launched a furious attack on police in the programme.

"They leaked information and these rumours that have flown around for the past year – it is outrageous," she said.

"We were asked to comply with the Portuguese judicial secrecy laws (under) which we were made to understand that we could face two years in prison for speaking out.

"So, as a group, we have not said anything from day one.

"There have been all these rumours flying around and leaks from sources close to the PJ which we haven't been able to refute.

"We would have loved to have spoken out really and just put the record straight, but believed that the investigation would be the best way of finding Madeleine if we co-operated with the police and complied by their rules and regulations."

Her comments echo sentiments expressed by the McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell earlier this month.

He accused police of a "blatant" attempt to smear them after transcripts from police interviews with the couple were leaked to foreign media, something the PJ expressly denied.

Mrs Oldfield also made a staunch defence of the couple against any suggestion they might have been involved in their daughter's disappearance.

She said: "I was there on the night – it was agonising.

"There was just no way that they were involved in anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance." Bla-bla-bla-boohoo, ik ben er klaar mee, genoeg geweest!
http://www.yorkshirepost.(...)update-on.4020248.jp

Ik weet niet hoeveel geld en manschappen tot hun beschikking, alle mogelijkheden om samen met de PJ tot een oplossing te komen, een reconstructie te doen en hun experts en medewerkers ten dienste van de politie aldaar te stellen, maar nee, er moeten konten schoon worden geluld, mensen zwart gemaakt worden en de pers moet bespeeld worden zodat zij zich in kunnen zetten voor een Amber alert en zichzelf zielig en belangrijk kunnen voelen, daar is maar één goed antwoord op imho:

*Zo dat lucht op*
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er moeten konten schoon worden geluld


schone konten
[i]"you left me standing here, a long long time ago"[/i]
  vrijdag 25 april 2008 @ 13:56:08 #116
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Op vrijdag 25 april 2008 13:23 schreef milagro het volgende:

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schone konten
Hey hoi hallo, poos niet gezien, .

Sorry hoor, ik werd het opeens een beetje zat.
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  vrijdag 25 april 2008 @ 19:03:09 #117
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Clarence Mitchell, master of the Madeleine McCann media circus



The first anniversary of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann will be marked next week with a two-hour television documentary which is the highlight of a carefully stage-managed publicity offensive.

The fly-on-the wall documentary on ITV1 of Gerry and Kate McCann has been organised by Clarence Mitchell, their official spokesman. The Portuguese press first referred to him as the "man in the shadows" when he took the job full-time in Praia da Luz in September.

The newspapers were reporting the (as usual) private views of the Portuguese police that Mitchell, 47, had been sent in by Gordon Brown, no less - when he was Chancellor - to spy on the investigation, which had been portrayed in Britain as amateur and cack-handed.

But the Portuguese media were wrong on both counts. Mitchell would have had at best only a nodding acquaintance with junior ministers, let alone Mr Brown. As director of media monitoring at the Central Office of Information, he was a back room boy but has never been in the shadows of the police operation.

The former BBC television reporter has loved being centre stage before the cameras in an investigation that has transfixed the world's media. "He is on the TV much more than he ever was when he worked for the BBC," said one former colleague.

So much so that photographers regularly have to shout at Mitchell to get out of the way when they are taking pictures of the McCanns. He remains at his fixed point by their shoulder even during photo-shoots, bucking the trend of media minders who avoid being photographed at all costs.

Mitchell has become such a familiar figure in his open-necked pink shirts that he is recognised in the street and is stopped so often on the forecourts of petrol stations that he now jokes it is because he has forgotten to pay his bill.

After almost 30 years as a journalist, he knows what makes a story and has been extraordinarily successful in maintaining a strong interest in Madeleine.

When interest has faltered he has invariably constructed a story or recruited a big name - even the American First Lady, Laura Bush, is on-side - to a campaign driven by parents who accepted early on that the media was a necessary partner.

Nevertheless, the documentary next Wednesday has provoked controversy because ITV1 has scheduled it against the BBC's The Apprentice as part of its ratings war.

The move has led to the accusation that Mitchell has allowed the parents to be exploited by a commercial broadcaster.

The fact that Mentorn, the production company making the programme, has given £10,000 to the Find Madeleine fund has not diminished the fuss: the money will be more than recouped from syndication.

ITV1, with the help of Mitchell, has kept other media organisations from the McCanns during the five weeks of the access deal with Mentorn.

The company has secured unseen footage of Mrs McCann, 40, her husband, 39, and their three-year-old twins behind the door of their home in Rothley, Leics.

It includes Mrs McCann breaking down in tears as she recalls the night Madeleine went missing. But Mitchell will be undeterred by the barbs, believing the two-hour documentary the best way to ensure that the search for Madeleine goes global again. This is what he is paid to do.

He always wanted to be a journalist and after O-levels at Friern Barnet School, Finchley, where he was head boy, he joined the Barnet & Potters Bar Times and then a BBC training scheme.

In a varied career he covered the Soham murders and, for two years from 2003, the Iraq war.

He was also on the royal beat when he was known - not very imaginatively - as "Clarence House".

But it was as a presenter on various BBC news programmes that he hoped to make his career after years on the road. His spell doing hourly bulletins on News 24 is best remembered for him sleeping through a 3am slot, which had to be filled by a somewhat dishevelled producer.

He became close to the McCanns after being sent twice by the Foreign Office to look after them when there were 40 camera crews outside their Portuguese apartment.

As a father of three children, aged two to 11, he has gone through the same agonies as many other parents who feared it could have happened to them.

His £70,000 salary, equivalent to what he earned in the Civil Service, is being paid by the double-glazing magnate Brian Kennedy, who has bankrolled much of the McCann campaign.

Surrendering his Civil Service pension will be compensated by the future benefits of his role in helping to make Madeleine's the most heavily reported missing-person case in modern history.

Offers are coming in for book, broadcast, and lecture circuit opportunities when he returns to "ordinary life" - and even Mohamed Fayed is rumoured to be interested in hiring him.

Mitchell divides his time between his home in Bath, London, and Rothley and speaks to the McCanns every day. They are grateful to him for raising the profile of the search across Europe and North Africa, through visits to Morocco, Italy, Spain and Germany.

But the revelation that they were flying in a private jet was a bear trap that Mitchell should have spotted, and the couple flew home from a trip to Portugal on easyJet.

Mitchell was, as usual, only a few feet away from the couple when they met the Pope in St Peter's Square.

He was so overcome he reached out to grasp the papal hand and was rewarded with a blessing and a set of rosary beads from one of the priests in the Pontiff's retinue.

While calm in public, he has often blown up behind the scenes at reporters and is occasionally guilty of overdoing briefings.

In the last few weeks his public approach has changed, bluntly blaming the Portugese police for leaking statements from Mr and Mrs McCann that revealed Madeleine was left crying the night before she vanished.

Mitchell moved from the shadows to being branded a "manipulative liar" by the police and the row ensured once more that the McCanns returned to front pages across Europe. It was a job well done by the man at the centre of the story in his own right.
http://www.telegraph.co.u(...)04/25/nmccann225.xml

Poeh poeh, hij komt er niet heel gunstig af.
be nice or go away
  vrijdag 25 april 2008 @ 19:09:13 #118
159353 Tmaatje
turrrbotrut
pi_58308325
Nee inderdaad maar gezien hun ronduit vreemde gedrag niet echt verbazingwekkend.
Het doek der schone schijn zal hopelijk spoedig vallen.

er moeten konten schoon worden geluld prachtig uitspraak die bewaren we Kahaarin.
FOK!'s rode weduwe.
pi_58309053
Er moeten konten schoon worden geluld...@ copyright Kahaarin Dat sluit mooi aan bij het artikel hieronder, daar moeten konten worden "geïmmuniseerd.''

McCann Lawyers and diplomats to the rescue of McCann (Google vertaling)
quote:
Kate and Gerry want assurances to return to Portugal.They are the lawyers of the couple who began the first contacts at the highest level to obtain some sort of immunity that could allow Kate and Gerry McCann to travel to Praia da Luz, Portugal, without being worried.

The approach of lawyers was followed by the intervention of British diplomacy in Portugal. According to a source at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Foreign Office) informal contacts were made with the Portuguese authorities to find out the real intentions of the Prosecutor and the Judicial Police (PJ), especially for what concerns the reconstruction of the events of May 3, 2007, the day of the disappearance of Maddie, as requested by the investigators.


Gerry and Kate McCann had certainty, after their return to the United Kingdom last September, that their status arguidos be abandoned before the end of 2007 but neither their lawyers nor the media pressure exerted by their relatives were able to change the normal court of justice in Portugal. Bron
Daaruit blijt toch wel hoe bang ze zijn, en terecht eigenlijk, de schurken! Dat artikel uit de Telegraph over Clarence Mitchell zou je idd als enigszins ongunstig kunnen lezen, beetje typisch Engels, het lijkt een opsomming van zijn carrière maar je hebt aan het einde van het artikel 'n rare smaak in de bek...."Mitchell moved from the shadows to being branded a "manipulative liar" by the police and the row ensured once more that the McCanns returned to front pages across Europe. It was a job well done by the man at the centre of the story in his own right." Maar onderhand volkomen uitgekotst door het publiek, fora en bloggers en inmiddels schrijven een aantal columnisten ook met een andere pen.

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  zaterdag 26 april 2008 @ 12:53:18 #120
145755 kahaarin
You are my sunshine......
pi_58318965
quote:
Op vrijdag 25 april 2008 20:06 schreef Suko het volgende:
Er moeten konten schoon worden geluld...@ copyright Kahaarin Dat sluit mooi aan bij het artikel hieronder, daar moeten konten worden "geïmmuniseerd.''
Ook @Tmaatje, ik was het gewoon even zat hoor, normaal zeg ik zulks heul niet....
quote:
Daaruit blijt toch wel hoe bang ze zijn, en terecht eigenlijk, de schurken! Dat artikel uit de Telegraph over Clarence Mitchell zou je idd als enigszins ongunstig kunnen lezen, beetje typisch Engels, het lijkt een opsomming van zijn carrière maar je hebt aan het einde van het artikel 'n rare smaak in de bek...."Mitchell moved from the shadows to being branded a "manipulative liar" by the police and the row ensured once more that the McCanns returned to front pages across Europe. It was a job well done by the man at the centre of the story in his own right." Maar onderhand volkomen uitgekotst door het publiek, fora en bloggers en inmiddels schrijven een aantal columnisten ook met een andere pen.
Precies Suko, net en stelletje ratten bang voor het licht, lees: de waarheid.
Gelukkig dat er nu wat meer nuancerende berichten opduiken, het aureooltje van de McCanns heeft behoorlijk wat glans verloren.

Pak nu de viool en een zakdoekje er maar bij want we hebben weer een onvervalste tearjerker:

quote:
'Never give up hope of finding Madeleine'

A man whose daughter was missing for nine months has been lending support to Kate and Gerry McCann over the past year and yesterday urged them to "never give up".


Madeleine McCann

Ed Smart, whose 14-year-old daughter Elizabeth was abducted at knifepoint from her bed in Salt Lake City, Utah, in June 2002, was found - along with her abductor - the following March after a sustained and high-profile campaign.

He has been in close contact with Madeleine McCann's parents since last July and they met in Washington last month to discuss the merits of Amber Alert, an alert system for missing children.

Their discussions have given the McCanns renewed hope that their daughter will be found.

Like the McCanns, Mr Smart was suspected of involvement in his daughter's disappearance and rumours circulated that she had been abused.

American police suspended their briefings with the Smarts and it was left to the Mormon family to release pictures of Elizabeth's possible abductor.

advertisementThe McCanns' relationship with Portuguese police has come under considerable strain over the past year, with minimum contact and alleged leaks by the police provoking a war of words. The couple, who have relied on their Catholic faith, employed their own artist to produce drawings of a potential suspect.

Yesterday, in the run-up to the one-year anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance from Praia da Luz, Mr Smart told The Daily Telegraph that Mr and Mrs McCann were doing everything right to try to find their eldest daughter. "I think they are doing amazingly well under the circumstances, they are very positive," he said.

"There is no question in my mind that they didn't have anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance.

"I tell them, keep Madeleine's face out there - it is so incredibly important because that awareness is going to help bring her home. That was the first and most important thing that they could do."

Mr Smart ensured that Elizabeth's picture was widely circulated and nine months after her abduction she was spotted by a member of the public with her captors - Brian Mitchell, a homeless man, and his wife Wanda Barzee. They were subsequently declared mentally unfit to stand trial.

Mr Smart has been angered by the criticism that the McCanns have employed the wrong strategy to find their daughter. "I do not believe they are putting Madeleine at risk, I completely disagree with that," he said. "Whoever says that is absolutely foolish - it is the only way she is going to be found.

"The moment that Elizabeth was abducted, the only way we were going to find her was to get as many people as possible out looking for her.


Ed Smart with his daughter, Elizabeth, 14, who was found nine months after being kidnapped

"She and her captor were both seen and identified and it was that identification, that awareness, that meant she was brought home."

Mr Smart, who is heavily involved in child protection, said of the McCanns: "We have had a number of conversations and I just admire them very much. I really hope that in the near future they will be able to find Madeleine."

Talking about the May 3 anniversary, Mr Smart said: "It will be hard, it is just a very difficult thing to deal with.

"Big events, such as birthdays, are hard, very hard. You wonder what you can do as a parent and how you can change what has happened and find her. You just don't know what to do and even though you are doing everything you possibly can, it never seems enough. I certainly empathise with what they are going through. I certainly see a lot of myself, it takes you right back to that time."

Mr Smart said he had talked to a number of parents of missing children over the years and asked them if they think their child is still alive.Some said definitely yes, some weren't sure, while other were convinced they were dead.

"Gerry and especially Kate said, 'I do feel like she is out there'," he said.

"I think it is ridiculous that some of the stupid comments say she is not emotional enough. I have met her and talked to her on the phone.

"Kate is a wonderful mother and cares about her children and would do anything to bring Madeleine home."
http://www.telegraph.co.u(...)/04/26/nmaddy126.xml

Puhlease, Clarrie put a sock in it, het moge duidelijk zijn uit wiens giftige pen deze enormiteiten komen.
be nice or go away
  zaterdag 26 april 2008 @ 18:28:32 #121
159353 Tmaatje
turrrbotrut
pi_58324133
Ook @Tmaatje, ik was het gewoon even zat hoor, normaal zeg ik zulks heul niet....


Maak je geen zorgen, hoor, ik kan me voorstellen dat je niet goed wordt van deze McCann Clan...
FOK!'s rode weduwe.
pi_58329321
Het is natuurlijk dieptriest dit verhaal. Maar er zijn natuurlijk verschillen. Elizabeth Smart is thuis ontvoerd, zij was toen 14jr. Madeleine McCann was nog geen 4jr, alleen met de twins van net 2jr. in een vreemde omgeving, avond aan avond. In een apartement wat niet was afgesloten en gelegen aan de openbare weg. Men willde geen oppas, geen 'vreemden' over de vloer, overdag maakte dat zeker niet uit, (waar de kids veelal werden gestald) waren dezelfde nanny's but never mind. Ook 's avonds naar de crèche brengen was kennelijk teveel moeite. Niets wijst op een ontvoering en de wisselende verklaringen in interviews en docu's duiden op betrokkenheid van de McCanns (en mogelijk anderen) wat betreft de vermissing/dood van Madeleine. Dáár gaat het om. Niet om ontvoeringen van tig andere veelal wat oudere kinderen. En wat weet die vader Smart eigenlijk van de achtergronden van dit drama. Alleen wat gesprekjes met de McCanns, nee...dan ben je goed ingelicht, not! Ik neem het hem niet kwalijk, genereert weer publiciteit, hij en z'n dochter ijveren voor een national sex offender registry bill en nog een aantal kwesties wat betreft ontvoerde en misbruikte kinderen. Maar als je je heel jonge kinderen gewoon alleen laat (up for the taking), je vervolgens niet direct de politie belt, zelf niet eens een poot uitsteekt om te zoeken, niet wenst mee te werken, integendeel, dan helpt daar echt geen Alert tegen. Ik zou bijna willlen stellen dat de McCanns schade hebben toegebracht in deze, ouders die weigeren kinderen bescherming (en nota bene zelf verdachten zijn) te bieden moeten verre van any Alert-campagnes blijven!

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Mystery also in film Correio da Manhã

Maddie Case: Inspector will reveal the whole puzzle

Rui Pando Gomes
(Thanks to jjp from the3arguidos forum for translation)
quote:
What really happened on the night of May 3rd, in Praia da Luz, where Madeleine McCann disappeared, will be one of the more "explosive" passages in the book that PJ Inspector Gonçalo Amaral is to write and wants, later, turned into a documentary.

The contents have already been examined by a publisher, who also proposed publication in English. According to CM's source close to Gonçalo Amaral, "There is no definite date for publication," but, apparently, it will only be after the lifting of the secrecy currently covering the investigation which is still ongoing at the Public Prosecution Service in Portimao.

It is the intention to reconstruct the celebrated case on film, as a documentary, and already there are producers interested. "It will clear up all the lies that have been created and call into question the institutions that investigated and are linked to the case," CM discovered from the same source, who has already got hold of passages from the future publication.

DETAILS

SECRECY

The publication of the controversial book should only happen after the lifting of the secrecy restrictions on the case. "The intention is to restore the truth of what happened that night and not to cause problems for the author," explained the 'CM' source close to Gonçalo Amaral.

REFORM

Despite being about to go into retirement, with 38 years of service - 26 in the police, 8 in military service and a 20% subsidy - Gonçalo Amaral is in danger of receiving disciplinary action for the publication of the book. Even in retirement, the inspector must comply with police disciplinary regulations. Bron
Kan best een 'klapper' worden en wat schrijft The Sun
quote:
'True Lies' of Maddie parents

THE disgraced cop who led the search for Maddie McCann has written a money-spinning book – pointing the finger at her parents. Goncalo Amaral, 48, who was booted off the case after five months, refuses to believe Gerry and Kate McCann had nothing to do with the tot’s disappearance.

He authorised their status as suspects, but was removed after allegedly enjoying boozy lunch breaks while leading the hunt in Portugal. Amaral’s book True Lies accuses Maddie's parents of dumping her body at sea after accidentally killing her. He says British police were too close to the couple and did not follow up leads he suggested.

His lawyer Paulo Santos said of the book: "It’s not speculative, but factual." But the McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "We are not surprised at this. "It is sad that people feel the need to make money out of Madeleine."
Nigel (mccannfiles) heeft een treffend commentaar op dit artikel:
quote:
Three points to note from this report:

1) The Telegraph article on Clarence Mitchell (see below) states that 'Offers are coming in for book, broadcast, and lecture circuit opportunities when he returns to "ordinary life"'.

Given Mitchell's assertion that "It is sad that people feel the need to make money out of Madeleine", one hopes that these offers were dismissed out of hand - if they related to Madeleine. Indeed, it would seem highly unlikely anyone would be interested in Mitchell's views on anything outside of the Madeleine case.

2) It is worth remembering, in terms of making 'money out of Madeleine', that section 1.1.3 of the objects of Madeleine's Fund states that money collected can be used 'To provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine’s family'.

This object enabled mortgage payments to be made on the McCanns house in Rothley. The boundaries of this object are, in fact, so vague as to be able to include any kind of payment to the McCanns within it.

3) No details have yet been revealed of the contents of Mr Amaral's book. The revelation that the McCanns dumped Madeleine's body 'at sea after accidentally killing her' appears to relate to 'Madeleine's Star', a book already written and published by Paulo Pereira Cristóvão.
Bedoelde artikelen zijn ook in dit topic geplaatst:
Post Kahaarin over Clarence Mitchell
En ik zei de gek: The key to a Mystery van Paulo Pereira Cristóvão Ook Charlotte geeft haar eigen visie wat betreft de reacties over Amaral's nog uit te komen boek: Anger as Portuguese police chief plans ‘Madeleine’ book En voor een zonnige zondag een (lang) artikel over Amaral in relatie tot de McCanns en z'n boek: NEWS ROUNDUP FROM PORTUGAL

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  zondag 27 april 2008 @ 12:35:40 #123
145755 kahaarin
You are my sunshine......
pi_58336668
quote:
Op zaterdag 26 april 2008 22:58 schreef Suko het volgende:
Het is natuurlijk dieptriest dit verhaal. Maar er zijn natuurlijk verschillen. Elizabeth Smart is thuis ontvoerd, zij was toen 14jr. Madeleine McCann was nog geen 4jr, alleen met de twins van net 2jr. in een vreemde omgeving, avond aan avond. In een apartement wat niet was afgesloten en gelegen aan de openbare weg. Men willde geen oppas, geen 'vreemden' over de vloer, overdag maakte dat zeker niet uit, (waar de kids veelal werden gestald) waren dezelfde nanny's but never mind. Ook 's avonds naar de crèche brengen was kennelijk teveel moeite. Niets wijst op een ontvoering en de wisselende verklaringen in interviews en docu's duiden op betrokkenheid van de McCanns (en mogelijk anderen) wat betreft de vermissing/dood van Madeleine. Dáár gaat het om. Niet om ontvoeringen van tig andere veelal wat oudere kinderen. En wat weet die vader Smart eigenlijk van de achtergronden van dit drama. Alleen wat gesprekjes met de McCanns, nee...dan ben je goed ingelicht, not! Ik neem het hem niet kwalijk, genereert weer publiciteit, hij en z'n dochter ijveren voor een national sex offender registry bill en nog een aantal kwesties wat betreft ontvoerde en misbruikte kinderen. Maar als je je heel jonge kinderen gewoon alleen laat (up for the taking), je vervolgens niet direct de politie belt, zelf niet eens een poot uitsteekt om te zoeken, niet wenst mee te werken, integendeel, dan helpt daar echt geen Alert tegen. Ik zou bijna willlen stellen dat de McCanns schade hebben toegebracht in deze, ouders die weigeren kinderen bescherming (en nota bene zelf verdachten zijn) te bieden moeten verre van any Alert-campagnes blijven!
Inderdaad, mooi verwoord, dat heb ik geloof ik ook al eens geroepen.
quote:
Bedoelde artikelen zijn ook in dit topic geplaatst:
Post Kahaarin over Clarence Mitchell
En ik zei de gek: The key to a Mystery van Paulo Pereira Cristóvão Ook Charlotte geeft haar eigen visie wat betreft de reacties over Amaral's nog uit te komen boek: Anger as Portuguese police chief plans ‘Madeleine’ book En voor een zonnige zondag een (lang) artikel over Amaral in relatie tot de McCanns en z'n boek: NEWS ROUNDUP FROM PORTUGAL
Ook dit is natuurlijk allemaal gespeculeer en gespin, dat mes snijdt 2 kanten op, blijft moeilijk om tussen alle gezeur de juiste nieuwsfeiten te zoeken.
quote:
Madeleine – one year on


A YEAR ago this weekend, an ordinary middle class family from Leicestershire flew to Portugal for an early break in the sun. Six days into that holiday, their lives were torn apart by an event that would dominate much of the world's news for months.

The disappearance of Madeleine McCann started as a dramatic international hunt for a lost child. But within days attention focused as much on the reasons for her loss as on where she could have gone. And as the weeks became months, without any sign oADVERTISEMENTf the four-year-old, it became a saga of recriminations and counter-recriminations involving Madeleine's parents, Gerry and Kate, the Polícia Judiciária (PJ) and an apparently insatiable press in Portugal and Britain. The internet spawned a myriad of lurid conspiracies. Rarely in recent history has a single event or crime dominated so many headlines, or so many conversations at school gates, in pubs and at dinner parties. Theory was piled upon theory, and opinion became a currency equal to fact, as the boundaries of common sense and taste were stretched. With the benefit of distance from the febrile days of last summer, it is clear the McCanns' advisers, the police and the media all made mistakes.

Meanwhile, one year on, we are no nearer knowing what happened to the little girl with the ready smile and distinctive right eye. Hers is a tragedy that few, if any, of us will ever be able to truly understand. All we can do is sympathise.
http://news.scotsman.com/(...)e-year-on.4024359.jp
Even terugblikken met 'The Scotsman', daar hebben ze hetzelfde euvel ontdekt als wij geloof ik.
be nice or go away
pi_58340534
quote:
Op zondag 27 april 2008 12:35 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Inderdaad, mooi verwoord, dat heb ik geloof ik ook al eens geroepen. Wel ja joh, dat hebben we al tig keer geschreven en daar komen nog tig keren bij...imo kan dan niet genoeg benadrukt worden! [..]

Ook dit is natuurlijk allemaal gespeculeer en gespin, dat mes snijdt 2 kanten op, blijft moeilijk om tussen alle gezeur de juiste nieuwsfeiten te zoeken. Maar op de een of ander manier sluiten die Portugese berichten meer aan bij mij dan dat geouweneel van de Britse pers. Overigens zijn er op het 3arguidoforum Britse posters die voor het merendeel de kant van Portugal (PJ) kiezen, hoe pijnlijk ze dat soms zelf ook vinden. [..]

http://news.scotsman.com/(...)e-year-on.4024359.jp
Even terugblikken met 'The Scotsman', daar hebben ze hetzelfde euvel ontdekt als wij geloof ik.
Ik quote nogmaals een stukje uit jouw artikel want voor Schotse begrippen is dat best kritisch:
quote:
Rarely in recent history has a single event or crime dominated so many headlines, or so many conversations at school gates, in pubs and at dinner parties. Theory was piled upon theory, and opinion became a currency equal to fact, as the boundaries of common sense and taste were stretched. With the benefit of distance from the febrile days of last summer, it is clear the McCanns' advisers, the police and the media all made mistakes.
Ze vergeten wel even de ouders zelf te melden qua fouten, dat doe ik dan meer even...

Voor de rest een ongelogelijk hoeveelheid crap in de bekende bladen, deels om weer gelden te genereren, deels om zelf weer in de publiciteit te komen, deels om hun onschuld te bewijzen, deels om het publiek te verwarren. Maar natuurlijk ook omdat ze bang zijn; bang voor boeken/docu's die straks uitkomen (Amaral en misschien ook Murat), bang misschien wat de resultaten zijn van de verhoren, bang voor de uitslag (volgens mij al bekend maar blijft nog ff in een la liggen) van het DNA-materiaal, bang dat het tij gaat keren > dat ze misschien voor lange lange tijd Arguido's blijven (als ze bv weigeren naar Portugal te gaan qua reconstructie) en kunnen dan niet zeggen/doen wat ze willen...maar eens zal de waarheid naar boven komen, zal misschien lang duren, maar ik geloof er wel in.

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  zondag 27 april 2008 @ 18:10:19 #125
145755 kahaarin
You are my sunshine......
pi_58342917
quote:
Op zondag 27 april 2008 16:08 schreef Suko het volgende:
For the truth shall not be forgotten!
quote:
Ik quote nogmaals een stukje uit jouw artikel want voor Schotse begrippen is dat best kritisch:


Ze vergeten wel even de ouders zelf te melden qua fouten, dat doe ik dan meer even...
Geschiedsvervalsing!
quote:
Voor de rest een ongelogelijk hoeveelheid crap in de bekende bladen, deels om weer gelden te genereren, deels om zelf weer in de publiciteit te komen, deels om hun onschuld te bewijzen, deels om het publiek te verwarren. Maar natuurlijk ook omdat ze bang zijn; bang voor boeken/docu's die straks uitkomen (Amaral en misschien ook Murat), bang misschien wat de resultaten zijn van de verhoren, bang voor de uitslag (volgens mij al bekend maar blijft nog ff in een la liggen) van het DNA-materiaal, bang dat het tij gaat keren > dat ze misschien voor lange lange tijd Arguido's blijven (als ze bv weigeren naar Portugal te gaan qua reconstructie) en kunnen dan niet zeggen/doen wat ze willen...maar eens zal de waarheid naar boven komen, zal misschien lang duren, maar ik geloof er wel in.
Inderdaad, dit is te groot om in de vergetelheid te verdwijnen of om onder het tapijt te stoppen, eens zal het toch uitkomen wat er nu precies is gebeurd, dit is zo'n zaak die altijd levendig gehouden zal worden juist omdat er zo'n heisa omheen is geweest, de langste adem zal winnen.
quote:
McCanns: Madeleine 'Is Still Out There'
Updated:15:47, Sunday April 27, 2008

The parents of Madeleine McCann have again said they believe she is still alive almost a year after she went missing.


McCanns still holding out hope

McCanns still holding out hopeThe youngster's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, told a television documentary that they felt more confident about their daughter being found alive after a trip to the US.

At the end of last month the McCanns, from Rothley, Leicestershire, visited America to see how the country's Amber Alert system was used to track down missing children.

Mr McCann told the documentary: "We've spoken to a lot of people who said this is a country (America) that has more than two stereotypical kidnappings per week and of those only 40% to 50% end up being found dead and, most importantly of all, the younger the child, the less likelihood of serious harm.

"And these are people experienced in investigations saying 'I really believe she's out there', and I think, yes, there was a first time where I've thought, I really believe it."

Mr and Mrs McCann are still searching for Madeleine, who was three years old when she disappeared from their holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, on May 3 last year.

During their visit to the US, the couple were filmed meeting Ed Smart, whose daughter Elizabeth was missing for nine months before being found alive and well.

Mr Smart campaigned to keep his daughter's case in the media until she was recognised in the street.

Madeleine missing since May 2007At the end of the trip, Mrs McCann said: "I feel more positive about the chances of Madeleine being out there and I feel more positive about the likelihood of being able to implement an Amber Alert system within Europe."

But while the couple have not given up hope of finding Madeleine, Mrs McCann said that some days remained "desperate".


Madeleine missing since May 2007

In a conversation with Mr Smart filmed for the documentary, she said: "We're okay. Some good days and some desperate days still."

Mr McCann added: "We're bearing up really, still working away behind-the-scenes and keep plugging away and keep hoping for a breakthrough really."

:: Madeleine, One Year On: Campaign for Change, is to be broadcast on Wednesday at 8pm on ITV1.
http://news.sky.com/skyne(...)314189,00.html?f=rss

Dat zoeken doen ze dan wel heel stiekem en in het geniep....
En natuurlijk dat Amber alert, wat helemaal niet van toepassing is op Maddy, er weer bij, in 1 adem met de vermissing van hun eigen dochter..... *kuch* aandachtstrekkers *kuch*
be nice or go away
pi_58349671
Ach ja, missed that one, wáár heb ik ze toch zien zoeken, daar ga ik even over nadenken...maar ondertussen schrijven ze een boek, nou ja zijn ze van plan, tussen alle zoektochten door, druk druk druk...: McCanns to write tell-all book about 'year of hell' since Madeleine vanished
quote:
The couple could make up to £1million in a deal for a tell-all memoir about Madeleine's disappearance and their eight months as police suspects. Several publishers have approached them amid intense interest in the year-long case, sparking the possibility of a bidding frenzy for the book.
quote:
'It has the potential to be of enormous interest with buyers across the market, from the literary middle class audience who think "This could have been us" to the mass market who buy books in supermarkets and have been devouring this story for a year.'
En Metodo 3 zoekt ook nog mee, pffff...gelukkig! En de Telegraph meldt verder fijntjes:
quote:
News of the couple's book comes just days after it emerged that disgraced Portuguese police officer Goncalo Amaral plans to publish his own book about the case.Mr Amaral, who was sacked from the Portuguese inquiry after criticising the British police, is penning a book called The Truth of the Lie which may be turned into a documentary.

Mr Mitchell criticised Mr Amaral and said it was an attempt to make money out of the situation. Police inspector Paulo Cristovao has written a fictional account of the investigation called The Star of Madeleine, which has become a best-seller in Portugal.

Mr Mitchell said: "A number of books are being published in Portugal and the UK. Kate and Gerry want the public to know the real truth."
Nee, als er winst gemaalkt moet worden dan toch alleen de ouders...wat anderen kunnen, doen wij beter. (Oja, wel bijven zoeken hé...net zoals al die 12 maanden, leaving no stone unturned. Nog een puntje, Madeleine is nog in leven denken ze, maar het boek gaat over hun Year of hell... )

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[ Bericht 3% gewijzigd door Suko op 27-04-2008 23:39:52 ]
  maandag 28 april 2008 @ 16:15:10 #127
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Suko, de verhalen worden bijna gewoon voorspelbaar, dat wat jij hebt gepost en het verhaal hieronder ook..... (goedemidaag all! )
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Attempted abduction near Madeleine resort

Private detectives hired by Kate and Gerry McCann are investigating the attempted abduction of a girl less than 30 miles from where Madeleine went missing, it emerged today.

A Dutch man has claimed that a stranger matching a description given in the McCann case tried to drag his daughter into his car in the village of Senhora da Rocha on the Algarve, southern Portugal, last month.

The would-be abductor was said to be in his 40s with a long pony tail – a description compatible with that of a man seen by British holidaymaker Gail Cooper acting suspiciously in Praia da Luz several times in the weeks before Madeleine’s disappearance.

Mrs Cooper, from the UK spoke of seeing an olive-skinned man with long and straggly dark hair and a drooping moustache.

Her account was used to generate an artist’s impression of the man which led to a string of new calls.

The Dutch man reported the incident, which happened on March 11 this year, to Portuguese Police.

But it is understood that Metodo 3, the Spanish-based private detective agency working for the McCanns, is also looking into the matter.

Clarence Mitchell, the couple’s spokesman, said: “Metodo 3 the investigative arm will study the details of this particular attempted abduction and will review it in liaison with the police.”

He played down the significance of the latest claim saying it could be completely unrelated to Madeleine’s disappearance from the McCanns’ holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3 last year.

But he added: “The man in the vehicle appears on the face of it to match or be close to our description of the man that Gail Cooper saw… that’s why it is of interest.

“Kate and Gerry still believe in the absence of any evidence to the contrary that she’s still alive.

“Incidents like this give them hope in the sense that it could be a potential lead.”

The couple are preparing to mark the first anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance this weekend.

The Dutch girl’s father – who does not want to be named – told Sky News that his daughter had been walking back from a supermarket when she was followed by a man in a black 4x4 which stopped in front of her.

“He then grabbed her but my daughter fought him,” he is quoted as saying.

“Another car arrived and he drove off.”
http://www.eecho.ie/news/story/?trs=mhojsnqlkfcw

En ja hoor, we vroegen ons af waar Metodo3 mee bezig was, nou met andere zaken onderzoeken dus, hoezo alles in het werk stellen om Maddy te vinden?
Nee, er moeten lotgenoten getraceerd worden die kunnen bijdragen aan de zieligheid van de McCanns, die vervolgens misbruikt kunnen worden in de nooit aflatende stroon persberichten en vervolgens afgedankt kunnen worden als oud vuil.
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Hoi Kahaarin, inderdaad...wat een walgelijke zooi crap en voorlopig is het publiek daar nog niet van af, waarom kopen die Britten eigenlijk die vette nonsens??? Het is dan toch een kwestie van vraag en aanbod, zolang de kranten Madeleine op de frontpage houden (of breeduit in de middenpagina's), tot zolang zal het publiek de kiosken niet achteloos voorbij lopen...Overigens geloof ik die bijna ontvoering voor geen meter, zoiets kan iedereen verzinnen, niet te checken dus ongeloofwaardig en heeft wederom niets met een alleen gelaten 3-jarige peuter te maken.

Anyway, ik post maar even wat beelden van 'grieving parents'....zoals deze, genomen in Praia da Luz.



Ook een filmpje: Happy Talk: Gerry & Kate McCann

En een contradictie (uit de BBC-docu) tussen Kate en Gerry, hoe de 'ontvoerder' is 'ingebroken' in het apartement, onthou....er zijjn nooit braaksporen gevonden/bewezen:
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KATE: It's not about us, you know, we were bobbing back and forwards several times and I wanted to see the kids so.. you know, it's not about us. You know, I think that the problem is it's a predator basically who's been watching us, which gives you the shivers anyway, and broken into the apartment and taken Madeleine out of her bed.

Gerry McCann says he went at just after 9 to check on his children. He says that their bedroom door was more open than usual so he goes in. Gerry McCann has told Panorama he remembers looking down at Madeleine. He spent a moment thinking how beautiful she looked and how lucky he was. He says this was the last time he saw his daughter. He closes the bedroom door and leaves through these unlocked patio doors.
Bron: KATE AND GERRY CONTRADICT EACH OTHER - PANORAMA NOVEMBER 2007

Voor de rest geen echt nieuws vandaag....

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En hoe zéér slechte journalistiek (Daily Mail citeerd klakkeloos El Mundo) wordt ontmaskerd in dit onthullend artikel, geplaatst op de site van Nigel, ism: Astro, Beachy, Joana, Tiffany, Stinky, The Academic, Anna, and other Spanish-speakers. To all a big Thank you, Muchissimas Gracias e Muito Obrigada. Uiteindelijk gaat het over een zogenaamd gesprek tussen twee Portugese inspecteurs, afgewisseld met commentaar van Carlos Anjos and Moita Flores. Niets is minder waar, die twee inspecteurs zijn bedachte karakters uit het boek van Paulo Pereira Cristovão....en ook nog een zogenaamd 'vers' interview met Amaral maar dateert uit sept. 2007, edoch dat blijken citaten uit genoemd boek.
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b]El Mundo article by Anibal Malvar shown to have been lifted from the pages of "A Estrela de Madeleine" by Paulo Pereira Cristovão. [/b]

This report has been adapted from an article by Joana Morais
Monday 28 April, 2008

Yesterday, a controversial article was published in the Spanish newspaper El Mundo, which many considered to have ridiculed the Portuguese police. The article also contained quotes attributed to Gonçalo Amaral which were picked up and reported by the Daily Mail today.

The journalist Anibal Malvar quoted a conversation between two Portuguese inspectors: João Tavares and Francisco Meireles, in which they described the "Portuguese cops" virtue of "improvisation".

Malvar affirms that this conversation was heard when they met on the 23rd of April 2008: 'The Journalist parks the car in the same place where Tavares and Meireles waited for him'.

However, the two inspectors Malvar quotes, João Tavares and Francisco Meireles, are fictional characters from a book entitled 'A Estrela de Madeleine', by Paulo Pereira Cristóvão. The words he reports hearing are actually sentences that the characters speak in the novel.

The following section of Malvar's article, in Spanish, is a word-for-word copy of Chapter 9, page 63 of Paulo Cristóvão's book:

«No podemos perder nunca nuestra intuición de policías, cojones. Tenemos que seguir siendo mañosos... no somos noruegos, ni finlandeses, cojones. Somos portugas, y la bofia portuga se revuelve, improvisa, se fía de la intuición, se ayuda de los CSI, eso es cierto, pero también podemos andar por ahí como angelitos con batitas blancas, debidamente esterilizados, engominados y comiendo hojitas de lechuga porque son más saludables. La malta fuma, le gusta comer y beber unas copas».(...)

Malvar then goes on to report what he heard from João Tavares:

«La pequeña, infelizmente para nosotros y sobre todo para ella, ya no está en el mundo de los vivos. Incluso, si alguien la tuviera en su poder, ¿la iba a mantener viva sabiendo que es la niña más buscada del mundo? Yo creo que no. La publicidad desmesurada que le dieron [los padres, desde la primera noche] a su rostro y su iris especial fueron su condenación. El resto es palabrería, compañero. Murió y que Dios cuide de ella, porque era una inocente que cayó en un mundo de bestias puras». Lo dice Joao Tavares.

The section above translates as: 'The little Girl, unfortunately for us and specially for her, is not in the world of the living anymore. Actually, if someone had her would they keep her alive knowing she is the most sought after girl in the world? I don't think so. The huge publicity given by the parents, since the first night, to her face and eye in particular was her condemnation. The rest is words, mate. She died and may God take care of her, because she was an innocent girl who fell in a world of pure beasts. Said João Tavares.'

This particular section, above, seems to be a mix of comments made by Carlos Anjos and Moita Flores, which do not appear in the book 'A Estrela de Madeleine', however the journalist affirms that he is listening to João Tavares - a fictional character!

Excerpt from the Book "A Estrela de Madeleine" by Paulo Pereira Cristovão:

The science and the cunning
Chapter 9, Page 63


'… speaks João Tavares, the inspector who is the chief of Francisco Meireles: "We can not lose our intuition as cops. We have to be wilful… we are not Norwegian nor Finns.

We are Portuguese and the Portuguese cops improvise, count on intuition, use the help of the CSI's, sure, because it is not possible to do everything without them, but we cannot ‘walk’ down here like little angels in little white lab coats, properly sterilized, in a stiff manner and eating leaves of lettuce at lunch because it is healthier and because the foreigners think that is better, do you understand? We smoke, we like to eat and to drink. And so what?

"We are good police officers and whoever wants to compare results with us will lose."'

Gonçalo Amaral's alleged interviews

Also, in this El Mundo article, Malvar reuses and adds some words to an alleged 'interview' with Gonçalo Amaral. However, Malvar's interview was originally published back in September 2007, and he has pasted it into the new article giving the impression that Mr Amaral is still following the investigation. Mr Amaral is forbidden to comment by the Portuguese secrecy code of Justice.

In this 'new' interview, Malvar also affirms he was the first to get an interview with Gonçalo Amaral. Malvar adds that in order to get that interview he promised to keep Gonçalo Amaral as an anonymous source, but now, because he is going to retire, he considers that fact is no longer relevant.

However, an ethical journalist must honour an agreement not to use the name of a source unless the source explicitly agrees to release him from any promise of confidentiality. A reporter should never assume that a change in the interviewee's circumstances justifies release of their name, as Malvar has done in saying that it is alright for him to use Amaral's name because Amaral is about to retire from the PJ.

The right to keep professional secrecy is a right of a journalist, but it is also an obligation which guarantess the confidentiality of the sources of information.

Aníbal Malvar also appears to have added a few more words to Gonçalo Amaral's statement.

Paulo Santos, Amaral's lawyer said today to Lusa News Agency: "Those statements are a complete lie. Gonçalo Amaral never told the journalist anything. They seem to be citations that were collected from the book about Maddie, which was written by former PJ inspector Paulo Cristóvão", he referred.
Ergens vermoed ik een razend slimme zet van El Mundo om de Britse pers te ontmaskeren, die onderzoekt toch niks, áls het maar de Portugese politie kan belasteren, wat kan het schelen...

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En verder schrijft Joana Morais:
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Facts: Silence
The Tapas friends until now didn't give any answer to the PJ. Therefore it will be difficult to do the re-enactment of the night when the girl disappeared, as requested by Magalhães e Menezes, the Public Prosecutor who directs the process. Source: 24Horas [even our tabloids are better than any former respectable UK Newspaper!!]
Translation by Li

For more media spins go the the UK Tabloids or watch Sky News: "In an era where media consolidation is occurring at an all-too rapid pace it's essential to look for alternative news sources that are free from corporate bias.”
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  dinsdag 29 april 2008 @ 12:54:17 #130
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quote:
Op dinsdag 29 april 2008 10:52 schreef Suko het volgende:
En hoe zéér slechte journalistiek (Daily Mail citeerd klakkeloos El Mundo) wordt ontmaskerd in dit onthullend artikel, geplaatst op de site van Nigel, ism: Astro, Beachy, Joana, Tiffany, Stinky, The Academic, Anna, and other Spanish-speakers. To all a big Thank you, Muchissimas Gracias e Muito Obrigada. Uiteindelijk gaat het over een zogenaamd gesprek tussen twee Portugese inspecteurs, afgewisseld met commentaar van Carlos Anjos and Moita Flores. Niets is minder waar, die twee inspecteurs zijn bedachte karakters uit het boek van Paulo Pereira Cristovão....en ook nog een zogenaamd 'vers' interview met Amaral maar dateert uit sept. 2007, edoch dat blijken citaten uit genoemd boek.
[..]

Ergens vermoed ik een razend slimme zet van El Mundo om de Britse pers te ontmaskeren, die onderzoekt toch niks, áls het maar de Portugese politie kan belasteren, wat kan het schelen...
Slimme zet, nu weten we zeker dat de Britse pers gedeeltelijk uit papegaaien bestaat!
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Arson Attack Linked To Madeleine Suspect

Alex Watts
Sky News Online
Praia da Luz
Updated:11:07, Tuesday April 29, 2008

Madeleine McCann suspect Robert Murat says he is not worried about his safety after a business associate's car was torched and the word "talk" scrawled next to it.


Suspect: Robert Murat

Sergey Malinka's silver Audi saloon was destroyed in an arson attack in the early hours outside his home in Praia da Luz, southern Portugal.

Next to it was the Portuguese word "fala" ("talk") daubed crudely in red paint on the pavement.

The Russian IT expert, who designed a website for Mr Murat, came to attention last year when police searched his home and seized computers two weeks after Madeleine vanished.

Portuguese police also investigated telephone calls between him and Mr Murat on the night she disappeared.

Mr Murat's lawyer Francisco Pagarete told Sky News Online he had no idea why the incident happened, or the motives behind it, and said his client had not been subjected to any threats or attacks himself.

Mr Pagarete said his client had received threats and hate mail in the early days of the investigation "but not fortunately now".


Attack on Mr Malinka's car (photo supplied by resident)

He added: "This has nothing to do with Robert, we don't know who did it. With this incident, he has nothing to worry about."

The blast took place 30 yards from Mr Malinka's home in a small cul-de-sac, damaging an Opel Zafira parked next to it.

Mr Malinka was unavailable for comment when Sky News Online tried to contact him in Praia da Luz.

But he told the Portuguese daily newspaper Correio da Manhã he does not understand the message left on the pavement and is "tired" of the Madeleine case.

"I don't know what to do anymore," he said. "I go to church every week, I pay my taxes, I don't deserve this. I want to be left alone.
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Hoezo suggestieve titel? Mooi dat dit nu ook weer uit de wereld is, de betrokkenen zelf zeggen dat het niets met de Maddy zaak te maken heeft, laten we het daar maar op houden dan.
be nice or go away
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Ja ja, niets met Madeleine te maken maar ondertussen is het verhaal (over die bijna-ontvoering) ook weer in de wereld gegooid. Overigens denken een aantal luitjes aan een Dutch connection, HOLLAND-AIDS SAUCE Her verhaal over ene Godelieve Koelman die kennelijk banden heeft met die enge cultgroep, HTFM. Het artikel komt oorpronkelijk van het inmiddels bekende 3arguidoforum En verder zijn er idd toevallig veel lijntjes naar Nederland. Gerry McCann heeft er gewerkt (VU in A.dam), IVF en de geboorte van de kids ook in Nederland en: "The woman who saw Madeleine in a gas station in Morocco lives or has lived in the....The woman who claims to have seen Madeleine in Belgium is ...Dutch. The girl who reported seeing Madeleine dancing in a restaurant in France is ...Dutch. The girl's article Sky News is ... .Dutch."

Anyway, om wat tegenwicht te geven aan die enorme McConn spin-leugen-publiciteitscampagne:
quote:
Gonçalo Amaral's book generates great expectations

José Manuel Oliveira

The book "Truth of the lie", that Gonçalo Amaral, ex coordinator of the investigations in Madeleine's case is going to launch is already creating a huge expectation in Portugal and in England.

Gonaçalo Amaral always believed that Madeleine died in the flat in an accidental way although the hypothesis was denied initially. Who, how and why were his doubts. Madeleine's body was hidden and thrown to the sea and probably no longer exists, this was the way to destroy the evidences of what happened in that awful night, almost a year ago. In his book, Gonçalo Amaral will insist in that thesis, describing the situations that occurred, particularly with the girl's mother, arguida in this process,as well as the father and subjected to Term of Identity and Residence. It's known that the PJ investigators admitted to arrest Kate McCann after two long days of interrogations on the 6th and 7th September last year and present her to the criminal judge of Portimão's court.

For Gonçalo Amaral, Truth of the Lie will be a way, above all, of "defending his image" as a criminal investigator. "He was compelled to retire, situation that will occur within three months, leaving the PJ with his reputation tarnished. And, for the time being he will be unemployed", regretted to the DN sources close to Gonçalo Amaral, in Algarve. His lawyer, Paulo Santos, that works with him in the preparation and publishing of the book, was Amaral's colleague during more than 30 years in the PJ, in Lisbon. Diário de Notícias - 29/4/2008
Maar goed, het gaat nu alleen over selling stories, selling papers/magazines, just selling themselves etc etc. Jammer dat ik alleen BBC1 en 2 kan ontvangen want op Sky zei John Gaunt: "John Gaunt Sky news with holmes 7.45 "The Mccanns are bad parents otherwise she would still be here" Holmes.."you can't say that" Gaunty..."yes you can the press are just trying to suppress what most people are thinking" Bron Dezelfe Gaunt die eerder o.a. schreef: IS it just me or are the McCanns getting on your nerves too? Zie eerdere post.
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Op dinsdag 29 april 2008 12:54 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Slimme zet, nu weten we zeker dat de Britse pers gedeeltelijk uit papegaaien bestaat!
[..] <knip>
Maar dat is mijn gedachtengang, waarom zou één van de grootste kranten van Spanje El Mundo zoiets plaatsen (watvoor belang heeft die krant daarbij, ik weet 't ff niet) wat betreft Amaral en blijjkt het hele verhaal te berusten op snippers uit een boek en delen daaruit klakkeloos zijn geplaatst door de Daily Mail, sommige schrijven al de Daily Moron of Daily Mud... Maar ik heb er weer even genoeg van, heb nog veel meer gelezen maar ja, zo blijft 't...niet waar?! Die lading crap is allemaal onderdeel van een duivels uitgewerkte PR-spin van Clarence Mitchell samen met Jon Corner’s River Media Ltd and Esther McVey’s Making It Ltd. Yep, ook zeer bekend met de McScams....En het blijft een interessant geschreven stuk van Blackwatch, Editorial Intelligence: A Cash For Comments Scandal op het 3arguidogorum (post van JillyComeLately) en hier.

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  dinsdag 29 april 2008 @ 20:52:50 #132
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Misschien hoort het niet helemaal hier thuis, maar toch het geeft te denken...
Ook de bron is niet echt OK...

Ontvoeringspoging Portugal
FOK!'s rode weduwe.
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quote:
Op dinsdag 29 april 2008 20:52 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
Misschien hoort het niet helemaal hier thuis, maar toch het geeft te denken...
Ook de bron is niet echt OK...

Ontvoeringspoging Portugal
Dat bericht heeft Kahaarin idd al eerder gepost, de Telegraaf heeft dat bericht van Skynews, één van de nieuwsbronnen die al tijden alleen maar crap van Clarence Mitchell & Co plaatst. Elke mogelijke vermissing, in een aan de Middelandse zee gelegen land, wordt thans gelinkt aan de McCanns, nou ja, Madeleine dus, maar zij speelt eigenlijk geen rol, keeping the McConns in the headlines..
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Wat kan het schelen, laten we dat Oostenrijjkse drama 'kapen'...Anorak in cursief is commentaar van Anorak zelf:
quote:
* JANE MOORE (Sun): “Silence is not an option for the McCanns”
“Just suppose little Madeleine is trapped in a cellar somewhere, hidden from view while her warped captor conducts a seemingly normal life upstairs.”

Like Elisabeth Frtizl? It’s Tabloid Bingo. Eye down…

* ALLISON PEARSON (Mail): “The McCann campaign must NOT go on for ever”

Since May 3 last year, how many parents have mentally run the “Maddie safety test|” before daring to turn away from their children even for a moment? That may be her lasting legacy and our greatest burden.

Still, my small boy is not satisfied. “Maddie” is the big story of his childhood, bigger even than Harry Potter and infinitely more disturbing.

Harry Potter is Madeleine McCann? It’s all just stories. Any others?

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* En ik voeg er zelf aan toe, uit The Times, de McCanns wilde wel met de kids samen eten maar: They rejected the idea only because the children were tired and they did not have a buggy, they said.

* En ook uit The Times, eerste bidden dan 'zoeken': "Kate and Gerry McCann tell today how they prayed through the dark, cold night that Madeleine went missing before going out on a desperate dawn search through the deserted streets of Praia da Luz."

En zo zijn de kranten loaded met verhalen van de McCanns zelf, de ouders en andere desperado's al of niet familie...

* 'Hoogtepunt' voor morgen, nadat ze deze dagen al op tig zenders waren te zien/horen, hoe laat weet ik niet maar de show start 07.00u: Breakfast Show BBC 1 - Thursday May 1st - KM & GM to be interviewed - just announced that they will be interviewed on the Breakfast show tomorrow. Asking for questions to be emailed in.breakfasttv@bbc.co.uk
Zie verder de artikelen op o.a: http://www.mccannfiles.com/id79.html
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/?JavaScript=1&search=Madeleine

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  woensdag 30 april 2008 @ 19:01:37 #135
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quote:
Op dinsdag 29 april 2008 21:19 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Dat bericht heeft Kahaarin idd al eerder gepost, de Telegraaf heeft dat bericht van Skynews, één van de nieuwsbronnen die al tijden alleen maar crap van Clarence Mitchell & Co plaatst. Elke mogelijke vermissing, in een aan de Middelandse zee gelegen land, wordt thans gelinkt aan de McCanns, nou ja, Madeleine dus, maar zij speelt eigenlijk geen rol, keeping the McConns in the headlines..
Wat niet betekend dat het nu niet ter zake doet of dat Tmaatjes inbreng niet wordt gewaardeerd.

Verder same old same old en niets aan toe te voegen.
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  woensdag 30 april 2008 @ 19:03:44 #136
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quote:
Op woensdag 30 april 2008 12:44 schreef Suko het volgende:
Wat kan het schelen, laten we dat Oostenrijjkse drama 'kapen'...[url=http://www.anorak.co.uk/tabloids/183441.html]Anorak[/url] in cursief is commentaar van Anorak zelf:
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Zie verder de artikelen op o.a: http://www.mccannfiles.com/id79.html
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/?JavaScript=1&search=Madeleine

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Natuurlijk, misscchien heeft Gerry haar wel verstopt.
Alleen de euvele moed dit te linken al...... (Niet voor jou Suko maar voor team McCann natuurlijk. )

Om maar eens in herhaling te vallen, same old same old.
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  woensdag 30 april 2008 @ 19:08:51 #137
145755 kahaarin
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Ow wat sjijn sje toch sielug!
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LONDON (Reuters) - Madeleine McCann's parents received hate mail blaming their "drunken arrogance" for her disappearance in Portugal a year ago, they said in a television interview to be shown on Wednesday.

Kate and Gerry McCann said they were inundated with messages of support, as well as letters from psychics, conspiracy theorists and people who thought they should not have left their children alone.

Gerry McCann read out a letter which said: "Your brat is dead because of your drunken arrogance. Shame on you. I curse you and your family to suffer forever."

They had so many letters that they began filing them in cardboard boxes marked with labels such as "Nasty", "Nutty" and "Psychics, Visions, Dreams".

The year since Madeleine disappeared on May 3 while on holiday in southern Portugal had been like "a horror movie", Gerry McCann said.

In a wide-ranging interview with ITV, he said he feared they would be sent to prison after Portuguese police made them official suspects in the case.

"The speculation takes you to the worst places and at that point you know the worst place would have been being charged, potentially being put in jail," he said, according to transcripts released by ITV.

Kate McCann said she was afraid that the authorities might take away her twins, Amelie and Sean. She asked her family to make sure they were safe.

"I can remember saying to Gerry's mum and Gerry's sisters, 'do not let anyone near them'," she said. "You know I'd just do whatever it took to protect them."
http://uk.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUKL3092730720080430?rpc=401&feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews&rpc=401
Heel natuurlijke reactie, je oudste is weg en je maakt je daar druk om.
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  woensdag 30 april 2008 @ 20:05:04 #138
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quote]Op woensdag 30 april 2008 19:01 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Wat niet betekend dat het nu niet ter zake doet of dat Tmaatjes inbreng niet wordt gewaardeerd.

Verder same old same old en niets aan toe te voegen.
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Dank je het valt me wel op dat deze berichten blijkbaar iedere keer opnieuw door de pers worden overgenomen,waarom?

@ Kahaarin:
Hmm het feit dat ze bang zijn dat instanties de tweeling willen weghalen, geeft wat mij betreft aan dat ze wel degelijk weten dat wat ze in Portugal hebben gedaan; namelijk de kinderen zonder toezicht achterlaten ze flink
is aangerekend.
FOK!'s rode weduwe.
  woensdag 30 april 2008 @ 20:17:54 #139
145755 kahaarin
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quote:
Op woensdag 30 april 2008 20:05 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:

Dank je het valt me wel op dat deze berichten blijkbaar iedere keer opnieuw door de pers worden overgenomen,waarom?

@ Kahaarin:
Hmm het feit dat ze bang zijn dat instanties de tweeling willen weghalen, geeft wat mij betreft aan dat ze wel degelijk weten dat wat ze in Portugal hebben gedaan; namelijk de kinderen zonder toezicht achterlaten ze flink
is aangerekend.


Dat herkauwen en uitkauwen is begonnen toen Clarrie zich er mee ging bemoeien, evenals al die mooie sightings, analyses en tearjerk verhalen, hij heeft zeker meegeholpen de hype levendig te houden, alle vermiste kinderen uit de verre omgeving waren natuurlijk gelinkt aan de Maddy zaak en alle ouders konden rekenen op sympathie en medeleven van de McCanns, dat wil zeggen totdat hun verhalen uitgemolken waren, dan konden ze niet eens meer op berichten in de pers rekenen want alles stond vol met Maddy verhalen.

Natuurlijk hadden ze snel genoeg door dat dit niet licht werd bevonden in Portugal, de verontwaardiging was uit de eerste krantenartikelen te scheppen, en terecht, maar dat nu wordt beweerd dat Kate daar aan gedacht heeft ondanks de paniek en stress vlak na de verdwijning, dat klopt imho niet, ik denk dat een raadsman/adviseur/medewerker van de Britse ambassade oid daar aan heeft gedacht.
Vandaar ook die snelle aftocht naar GB, eerst hadden ze geroepen dat ze in PDL zouden blijven tot ze was gevonden en opeens kwam de mededeling dat ze weer thuis waren met de tweeling, iets klopt er niet met de beweringen dan.
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Op woensdag 30 april 2008 19:01 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Wat niet betekend dat het nu niet ter zake doet of dat Tmaatjes inbreng niet wordt gewaardeerd.

<knip>
Ah ja, maar natuurlijk!
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Natuurlijk, misscchien heeft Gerry haar wel verstopt.
<knip< Of voor een maandje of zo, want de PJ denkt wel dat haar lichaampje was 'verstopt' (Gerry heeft 's nachts wel lopen scharrelen rond die kerk iin PDL) en mogelijk na een paar weken voorgoed 'kwijt gemaakt'...
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Op woensdag 30 april 2008 19:08 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Ow wat sjijn sje toch sielug!
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http://uk.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUKL3092730720080430?rpc=401&feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews&rpc=401
Heel natuurlijke reactie, je oudste is weg en je maakt je daar druk om.
Dat blijven veel bloggers e.d. zich afvragen, je laat heel jonge kids elke avond in een vreemd land alleen, in een onafgesloten apartement buiten de security-gates en aan de openbare weg. Alleen door hun beroep én relaties in higher places heeft er voor gezorgd dat ze zich geen enkele zorgen hoefden te maken over de twins....

Anyway, die El Mundo-journo is door het stof gegaan vanwege dat verhaal over Amaral dat in werkelijkheid snippers uit een boek betroffen, Hij, Malvar, heeft nog de schrijver Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, former PJ inspector, gebeld. (ook Joana Morais bericht hierover)
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"Silliness is not a crime" Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, former PJ inspector, received yesterday a phone call from the journalist of "El Mundo" asking him if two of the policemen of his book "The star of Maddie", João Tavares e Francisco Meireles, were true or fiction. The Spanish journalist used these names in his article with some sensational sayings. Example "We smoke, we like to eat and to drink". Cristóvão said to him that they were fictional. "Although he publishes passages of my book I don't have how to sue him because being silly is not a crime" he said to 24 Horas." Bron
En uit dezefde bron in Diário de Notícias:
quote:
Malvar says he subscribes to "Amaral's thesis" concerning the case, and does not see in the exposure of the ex inspector any deontological fault although he did not speak with him. As to Tavares and Meireles he does his mea culpa "I wanted to defend the Portuguese police and used a literary reference, to which I gave all credibility. It was an editing mistake. I apologise for writing the article badly".
En verder zijn de McConns niet blij met het nog uit komen boek van Amaral:
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McCann want to ban "The truth lies"
The announcement of the publication of the book "The truth lies", signed by the inspector of the Judicial Police (PJ) Gonçalo Amaral, former head of the investigation in the disappearance of Madeleine, worried Kate and Gerry McCann who asked their lawyers to prohibit any publication.

Regardless of the idiom of publication, the couple McCann, according to a close, is ready to initiate prosecution against the inspector if his book reveals some details of events surrounding the disappearance of Maddie.

In Portugal, the couple's lawyers have already addressed the question whether the inspector would have or not, the right to publish a book revealing details of an investigation he himself directed and which it must keep a certain reserve despite his announcement to leave the framework of the PJ.

Informal contacts were made with the National Directorate of the Judicial Police to find out the possible limitations that would have Gonçalo Amaral.

Gonçalo Amaral, coordinator of the Criminal Investigation Department (CID) of the Judicial Police (PJ) in Portimão at the time of the disappearance of Maddie, was responsible for investigations that led to that Kate and Gerry McCann are formed arguidos, suspects d Having simulated the abduction of their daughter and concealment of his body.

Ecarté the investigation in October 2007 by the National Director of the PJ, officially a consequence of an article in the Diario de Noticias, signed by José Manuel Oliveira, giving statements criticizing the work of the British police, the inspector Gonçalo Amaral continued to benefit from the unconditional trust of his colleagues but also the Civil Servants' Trade Union Association of Criminal Investigation (ASFIC).

The arrival of the inspector Paulo Rebelo led to a revision of the dossier but the line of investigation has never changed because all tracks and indices followed by Gonçalo Amaral maintained its value.

After his departure from the Judicial Police, Gonçalo Amaral account initiate prosecution against several British media that a default to find a loophole in his career, had chosen to treat the inspector drunk, wholesale, and so on.

3 books: Maddie, the investigation and machine McCann

If the book "The truth of lies" - even without publication date-determined does not agree personal Gonçalo Amaral about the disappearance of Madeleine, however, it allows readers to understand the work of the Portuguese police and British who led McCann to be formed as arguidos.

According to António Paulo Santos lawyer who represents the inspector, in "The truth lies", Gonçalo Amaral did not give his personal opinion about the disappearance of Madeleine.

"The book is the story of someone who lived in the investigation of the Interior, but also all the facts that surround it. It interprets the facts and evidence," said the lawyer, stressing that the subject book, scheduled in Portuguese and English, is not Maddie but rather the investigation into his disappearance.

In English, it is the turn of Kate and Gerry McCann to announce they are negotiating the publication of a book that tells their experience after the disappearance of their daughter. According to several sources, an advance of more than one million and two hundred thousand euros was proposed to the couple for their story.

According to their responsible communication, the book signed by the McCann tells their version of history. "L’unique livre officiel", souligne Clarence Mitchell. "The only official book," says Clarence Mitchell.

No date has yet been given for the release of the book, but according to estimates by experts from several publishing, it might become, the United Kingdom, a financial success without previous.

The machine McCann told a french

A third book, this time in french, will provide a different vision of the case McCann. Cosigné by several journalists and edited from Belgium, the book tells how and why the media machine has been put in place even before the start of the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Scheduled for June, it demonstrates how British diplomacy to influence the conduct of investigations, including through the provision of McCann means of the state, but it also explains what was the role of each stakeholder.

Other confidential documents and transcripts of recordings of telephone calls will illustrate the story. Bron sosmaddie.dhblogs.be (Google vertaling)
Om 21.00u dus hun eigen docu op ITV, zal wel snel op YouTube te zien zijn...

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  woensdag 30 april 2008 @ 21:27:08 #141
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OMG... dit wordt echt een grote ego soap, over de rug van een klein meisje... Hoe ziek kun je zijn?
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  woensdag 30 april 2008 @ 21:35:51 #142
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Op woensdag 30 april 2008 21:27 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
OMG... dit wordt echt een grote ego soap, over de rug van een klein meisje... Hoe ziek kun je zijn?
Tja, dat vroegen we ons ook al een paar topics terug af, het gaat helemaal niet meer om dat kleine lieverdje maar om een grote ego show van haar ouders en CM.......

@Suko: Ik ga denk ik niet eens kijken, slecht voor m'n bloeddruk.
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  woensdag 30 april 2008 @ 22:29:13 #143
1986 Jane
agnostic dyslexic insomniac
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Ik mag wel even een tvp plaatsen, he?
Lying awake, wondering if there is a Dog...
Tijn won het Morlvision Songfestival 2023
  woensdag 30 april 2008 @ 22:33:14 #144
145755 kahaarin
You are my sunshine......
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Op woensdag 30 april 2008 22:29 schreef Jane het volgende:
Ik mag wel even een tvp plaatsen, he?
Jane! Ander icoon maar heel bekend, je mening wordt ook gewaardeerd hoor!
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Op woensdag 30 april 2008 20:17 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Dat herkauwen en uitkauwen is begonnen toen Clarrie zich er mee ging bemoeien, evenals al die mooie sightings, analyses en tearjerk verhalen, hij heeft zeker meegeholpen de hype levendig te houden, alle vermiste kinderen uit de verre omgeving waren natuurlijk gelinkt aan de Maddy zaak en alle ouders konden rekenen op sympathie en medeleven van de McCanns, dat wil zeggen totdat hun verhalen uitgemolken waren, dan konden ze niet eens meer op berichten in de pers rekenen want alles stond vol met Maddy verhalen.

Natuurlijk hadden ze snel genoeg door dat dit niet licht werd bevonden in Portugal, de verontwaardiging was uit de eerste krantenartikelen te scheppen, en terecht, maar dat nu wordt beweerd dat Kate daar aan gedacht heeft ondanks de paniek en stress vlak na de verdwijning, dat klopt imho niet, ik denk dat een raadsman/adviseur/medewerker van de Britse ambassade oid daar aan heeft gedacht.
Vandaar ook die snelle aftocht naar GB, eerst hadden ze geroepen dat ze in PDL zouden blijven tot ze was gevonden en opeens kwam de mededeling dat ze weer thuis waren met de tweeling, iets klopt er niet met de beweringen dan.
Dat was inderdaad zo, maar het feit dat ze formeel verdachten werden was mede de reden om te vluchten naar de UK: September 8 2007 Both Madeleine parents now declared suspects en vervolgens op September 9 2007 McCanns to fly home amid fear of charges Ondersteund door een leger advocaten en de Britse overheid waardoor de PJ niets anders kon doen dan toekijken...Ik weet zeker dat 'gewone' Britse toeristen er niet zo makkelijk waren weggekomen!

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Op woensdag 30 april 2008 21:35 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Tja, dat vroegen we ons ook al een paar topics terug af, het gaat helemaal niet meer om dat kleine lieverdje maar om een grote ego show van haar ouders en CM.......

@Suko: Ik ga denk ik niet eens kijken, slecht voor m'n bloeddruk.
Nou, het begint al om 07.00u morgenochtend op BBC1, dan ligt deze dame nog in dromenland! Snippers zullen wel verder in BBC-nieuws te zien zijn. Ik kan er wel tegen hoor, heb Madeleine allang al herdacht en naast al het andere kinderleed een plek gegeven.

Nog een 'bloeddrukverhogend' bericht van Anorak:
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THE REGION’S coastline will be lit up this weekend to mark the first anniversary of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

On Saturday night, people of all ages are being encouraged to gather along the four mile seafront between Rhyl and Prestatyn with their torches, lanterns and candles from 9.30pm to 10pm as part of a national Lighting the Way Home day for Madeleine.

Bring the kids - make a night of it…
FF klikken op die link, en wat denk je???? Dat wordt georganiseerd door die engers van HTFM: "the region's event on behalf of The Helping to find Madeleine (HTFM) campaign" Zij zijn ook degene die mensen letterlijk bedreigen die anti-McCann zijn, die dat ook doorgeven aan de door de McCanns ingehuurde bureau's, speuren dagelijks het internat af. Het zijn echt in mijn ogen een stel criminelen met hele duistere bedoelingen... Posten ook voortdurend op fora en Blogs, worden ook trollen e.d. genoemd. Scary.

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Nu ik hier toch nog ff ben, Metodo 3, dat louche Spaanse detectivebureautje, blijft ook nog 'actief', altijd goed voor nieuwe sightings én verhaaltjes verzinnen om de Portugese politie te belasteren...lekken verzinnen, vermiste kindjes linken aan Madeleine etc etc.
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Metodo3 hired for another 6 months TV3
TV3 is a Catalan TV channel but it also can be seen by anyone with Digital+ or Imagenio (TV3i). It transmits in Catalan, not in Spanish.

TV3 - 30/04/2008
(Thanks to 'Anna' from the3arguidos for translation)

Programme:

16.25-18.35 El Club - includes the following: "The private detective Francisco Marco will visit us to discuss his new book 'El control de la empresa' a handbook about business crisis management"

Interview parts relevant to Madeleine:

Francisco Marco introduced as a 35 year old lawyer and private investigator.

Q: Do you continue to affirm categorically that Madeleine is still alive?

A: Affirm categorically? I have to think so categorically. If ‘one’ wants to look for a person ‘one’ has to continue thinking that that person is still alive. When ‘one’ arrives at one’s office, talks to that person’s family, has daily meetings about the case ‘one’ has to think that the person is still alive. If not it’s very difficult to do one’s job properly.

Q: But do you have any proof that she is still alive?

A: We have proof and from the beginning it has been filtered that there are ‘materials’ which indicate that she is still alive.

Q: I remember an interview you gave to La Vanguardia (a Barcelona newspaper) in which you promised to buy (name of reporter) dinner if Madeleine hadn’t been found by April 30. That’s tomorrow.

A: Tomorrow, that’s right.

Q: It will be difficult I suppose thatby tomorrow…..

A: Very difficult.

Q: Where is Madeleine being looked for at this point in time?

A: She has been looked for all over the world. A lot of Maddies have appeared in many places and we have been following up all these sightings one by one and place by place, in more than 25 to 30 countries.

Q: You say that she has been stolen (robar), not kidnapped (segrestar). What is the difference exactly between stealing (robar) and kidnapping (segrestar)?

A: It’s just a legal difference but not exactly between those two terms. Kidnapped (segrestar) means simply taking away someone’s freedom whereas kidnapped (raptar) has a more sexual connotation. (Note both verbs translate as kidnapped in English)

Q: But no-one has asked for any ransom for her.

A: Because it’s not a kidnapping for money.


Short break – Francisco Marco reintroduced as one of the best private investigators in Europe at the present time.

Q: How is it that the parents came to you being British themselves and this happening in Portugal?

A: That is quite understandable. We are on the Iberian peninsula, it’s very difficult to investigate in Portugal as Portuguese legislation does not allow investigations to take place in parallel with police investigations. There was a lot of talk of North Africa, especially at the beginning, and they had to find someone who could coordinate all this. We are one of the biggest agencies in Europe, our staff are bilingual and can work anywhere in the world.

Q: Did you accept their request immediately? Did you not have to think about it?

A: Yes, a lot. The owner of our agency (female) had over 10 hours of interviews with the parents, and once we had investigated certain documentation and were sure that the parents were not involved then we accepted the case.

Q: Had you followed this case much during the 6 months before they came to you?

A: We had followed it like anyone else did last summer. It was difficult not to with the coverage. I have always said that one of the problems of this case is that the yellow press got hold of it and the whole case ‘went wild’.

Q: Have you spoken personally to the parents?

A: Yes

Q. And do you believe they are innocent or do you have to believe it?

A: Absolutely, absolutely

Q: Why?

A: For many reasons that I cannot tell and also from personal conviction after speaking five minutes with the mother and seeing how they treat their other children. But I also have a lot of documentation which indicate trails and move the parents far away from suspicion.

Q: When you accepted the case did you set a date to resolve it?

A: No. Initially we had a contract for 6 months and just two weeks ago it was renewed for another 6 months.


They then talk about the Austrian case, 23 years, the possibility that Madeleine's case could go unresolved for as long and to generalise about the disappearance of children.

Q: But what is not ‘usual’ is that the parents of a missing child go as far as contacting the Pope and involving famous people like David Beckham etc. Do you think this media strategy was a good idea or if you had been involved at the beginning would you have advised them not to go down that road?

A: I probably wouldn’t have entered into such huge media coverage – it just got out of hand. But I think it also got out of hand for the parents too…….they were in a foreign country, didn’t speak the language, so their first reaction when their child disappeared was to contact people and the media in England. Also there was a lack of news at that time, a lovely child had gone missing, the parents were media-attractive – maybe if the parents had been ugly the coverage wouldn’t have been as high.

Q: You mean that if the parents had been ugly they wouldn’t have had all this media coverage?

A: You should ask yourself that, not me.

Q: But you made the statement.

A: Yes but you are the media. It’s not the same to be showing images of a blonde lady and a child with light-coloured eyes as showing an ugly man in Austria. After 5 minutes your viewers would tire of looking at the ugly man.

They then return to talk about the case in Austria and other issues, including his new book (which happens to have an eye on the front cover!).


At the end of the interview:

Q: Do you believe that in these next six months you will find Madeleine McCann

A. I don’t believe anything about this case. It’s a strange case. To bet on a date would mean that the British press would immediately take this up so I cannot say
. Bron
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  donderdag 1 mei 2008 @ 00:20:51 #148
159353 Tmaatje
turrrbotrut
pi_58408510
OMG nu linken ze al aan die Oostenrijkse zaak ?? Nu word ik echt misselijk...
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Zo, zo, King & Queen McConn waren net pakweg een kwartiertje op de BBC en zoals verwacht stelde het geen moer voor. Mensen konden per email sinds gisteren vragen sturen. Over het alleen laten van de kids wilde Kate niet ingaan, dat had ze al zo vaak verteld. Gaan ze naar de reconstructie in Praia da Luz? Dat is nog niet duidelijk maar ze zien er zelf geen heil in en is voor Kate te pijnlijk zel Gerry. Bovendien hebbben hun vrienden al alles verteld tijdens de verhoren van onlangs, én was een vriend na de vermissing 10 dagen in PDL gebleven, dat moest eigenlijk wel voldoende zijn. Verder wat gebep hoe de twins hiermee omgaan en natuurlijk het alertsysteem te berde brengen. Wel vond ik Kate in dit live gebeuren twijfelachtig/ontwijkend eigenlijk, something to hide, sure! Afijn, ze zijn nog tig keer op diverse zenders te zien waaronder vanmiddag op Sky. Oja, dat nieuwe nummer wat men kan bellen is niet van de politie zoals de indruk wordt gewekt, maar idd, van Retardo 3 (Metodo 3). En verder interesseert het mij geen bal dat ze het publiek telkens oproepen, het is zo belangrijk voor hun dat wij ons concentreren op Madeleine...Why? Voor mij en vele anderen is dat meisje allang al niet meer onder de levenden. Het enige wat telt is waarheidsvinding, een ordinaire Who Dunnit-verhaal en wie zitten er nog meer in dit geldmakende complot?

Puntje nog, het is ook niet toevallig dat PM Gordon Brown (heeft vaak gebeld met de McConns en z'n broer is vriend van Gerry) en z'n Labour-partij heel slecht gaat, vandaag gemeenteraadsverkiezingen en de Polls zijn vernietigend. Niet alleen vanwege onaangename nieuwe belasting-regels voor de lage inkomens maar natuurlijk ook vanwege die overweldigende bescherming van de McConns. Mensen zijn echt niet achterlijk....

Samenvatting van dit forum qua interview op BBC, posters aldaar zijn van mening dat dit interview voor de McConns niet zo best uitpakt:
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why are you appealing for more information, is there more information? the whole world knows about madeleine

gm - people may not have come forward before

we had alot of emails some supporters some critical
why you felt it was ok to leave the children

km we have been persecuted enough about it
we dont need to keep going over it

gm - if we had any inkling it was unsafe wouldnt have done it, we cant change it,

kkm - whatever anyone says about us theres been a crime committed

maybe she went wondering?

km - i know my daughter i know what happened

gm - still under secrecy theres a number of issues we are as certain as anyone can be knowing the facts that we know

kate mccan is RATTLED
she was annoyed at one of the questions and rolled her eyes

alot of emails coming from children - this is all causing trouble for lots of people, we get children asking if they are going to be abducted

gm - there is an abductor out there
its commoner than people think
if youre in a locked apartment tho the chances are slim

prospect of going back with media watching doesnt appeal to us
how much info will that get us one year on
km - we will do anything to get back madeleine

what do you think the public thinks - referring to boxes of letters and nasty ones
can you understand why people are angry and where you went on the night

we do get letters like that - been shocking - we are not like that and dont know people like that -p its scary - whatever we do we get criticised.
Mogelijk is er binnenkort een nauwkeurig transscript te lezen.

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En over die docu van de McConns gisteravond op ITV schrijft Beachy heel raak:
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When 3A was just set up, someone PMed me at the Mirror Forum and asked me to come over here and "reason" with people about their strong feelings about the McCanns. I told that person that I didn't think it was the time for reason: I thought it was time for Hellfire and Damnation. I have had a good rant building for quite a while, so here it comes.

The British media - with very, very few exceptions, is nothing but a bunch of focking LAPDOGS, in my opinion. I would never have believed it possible that the media establishment in the UK, which so admirably kept the whole country's courage up during the Blitz, which as recently as the beginning of the war in Iraq was not afraid to, as the Quakers say, "speak truth to power", would roll over and grovel at the feet of two people who have been officially named by the cognizant investigating agency as suspects in the disappearance of a 3-year-old British child! And who also admit out of their own mouths that they regularly, for the better part of a week, left three children aged three and under in an unlocked apartment at night, in a foreign country, out of sight and sound. Ladies and gentlemen, where are your journalistic ethics, your training, your COMMON SENSE!

ITV allowed Kate McCann tonight to go on and on multiple times about how they would have taken the kiddies to the Millennium restaurant if ONLY they had had a buggy. There are pictures all over the internet of them pushing buggies whilst in Praia da Luz, at least one of which, it appears, was taken on 4 May. Didn't take them too long to find a way to get a buggy when they wanted one, did it, ITV? There is also a press report from a British paper that has been out there for months quoting a shopkeeper in Sagres, Portugal, where the McCanns took their children on a little getaway from PDL, who says they had a buggy when they were there on 30 April. I found it last night in about 30 seconds by googling "pictures of McCanns with baby buggy." How can ANY journo worth his salt not CHECK these things?????????????????????????? And more to the point, if you are going to give the McCanns two hours of airtime, not ask them a meaningful question about such an obvious inconsistency every now and then?

The newspapers are no better. Of course, we have dear old Anibal Malvar down in Spain saying he not only interviewed fictional PJ inspectors for El Mundo, he also watched them park their car, but the way things are going I should not be surprised to hear UK newspapers do that or worse any day. After all, some of them, uncritical as ever, re-ran Malvar's lies.

No one is willing to ask the hard questions. No one, in fact, is willing to ask ANY questions designed to elicit any real information, that I can see. Whilst you have the McCanns right there in front of you, why not ask them to clarify the changed stories about whether the apartment was locked or unlocked, about whether the shutters appeared to have been "jemmied" or not, about what Gerry saw when he checked on the children, what they did - hour by hour - on their last day with Madeleine on 3 May, whether or not Gerry saw Jane Tanner on her alleged trip past him at 9.15, how many dead people Kate would be called on to pronounce in an average month as a part-time locum GP, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc, etc. etc. They would probably say that the secrecy laws prevent it, but the secrecy laws do not seem to prevent them from saying anything else they want to say, and if came to that, it would be an easy enough matter to point out leaks to British news organisations that obviously came from Team McCann because they consist of things that only the tapas 9 would know, such as the report that a "friend of the McCanns" suddenly remembering that bundleman was not heading towards Baptista's market at all, but towards Murat's house. Any investigative journo worth his/her salt would have no trouble pointing out to them that it is laughable to claim that what they were doing on the afternoon of 3 May, say, is covered by the secrecy laws, but the only sighting of the alleged "abductor" is not.

I yet have hope that there will be justice for Madeleine, as this case is in the hands of the PJ. I have no hopes whatsoever that the honour and credibility of the British media will ever recover. As a matter of fact, I think we are lucky that we are not still in WWII: If we were, the Beeb would probably be opening with the first few notes of "Do It To Me One More Time" instead of Beethoven's Fifth!


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McCanns talk to BBC, 01 May 2008

Click link here to watch

01 May 2008

09:30
  donderdag 1 mei 2008 @ 11:46:45 #152
145755 kahaarin
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Op donderdag 1 mei 2008 11:27 schreef Suko het volgende:
McCanns talk to BBC, 01 May 2008

Click link here to watch

01 May 2008

09:30
Hoi!

Beachy is het ook een beetje zat zo te lezen.

Ik zal zo even kijken wat de McConns te melden hebben in jouw link, ik zal een teiltje klaarzetten.

Voor jullie ondertussen het rondje Anorak van vandaag:
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Madeleine McCann: No Change, A Tourist Site And Entertainment
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann



THE GUARDIAN: “Last night’s TV: Madeleine, One Year On: Campaign for Change”

It’s difficult to keep the visuals stimulating, too. We saw the McCanns at home in Leicestershire; Kate and Jerry talking on the sofa. But you can’t have two hours of sofa, so we joined them in a lot of taxis - in Portugal, London, Washington. And there were plenty of lingering tree shots - leafless, winter trees (this is a sad story, after all). And a flying heron … eh, what’s that about? Maybe the heron is an aguido, too. Does Sir Trevor know?

DAILY MAIL: “Madeleine holiday apartment becomes ’sick tourist attraction’ one year on from her disappearance”

Coachloads of journalists arrive every day. It’s sick.

DAILY MIRROR: “Tourists posing for pictures at McCann tragedy spots”

Pensioner Pamela Fenn, who lives above the McCanns’ holiday apartment, said: “It’s sick.
“They stand outside and then have photographs taken with their children.”

A source close to the McCanns said yesterday: “It’s disgraceful.”

It’s not as if the disappearance of a missing child is entertaining.

The floodlights at Premiership club Everton will be switched on this Saturday to mark the anniversary in a campaign called Light The Way Home.

LIVERPOOL ECHO: “Madeleine McCann: Family prepare for first anniversary of her disappearance”

People around the world are being urged to light a candle, shine a torch or turn on a porch lamp on Saturday night as a gesture of support for Madeleine’s family and friends.

A lighter held in the air?

Robert Murat, the third arguido in the case, is intending to maintain a low profile and will probably stay away from Praia da Luz on Saturday.

He said: “The anniversary is for a little girl who went missing - Madeleine.
“The anniversary is not about us, the McCanns, the PJ (Portuguese detectives) or anything else but a little girl going missing.”

THE TIMES: “Madeleine, One Year On: Campaign for Change; Escape from Alcatraz: The True Story”

Stefanie Marsh: Why must television do compassion? Why, when faced with a captive audience, a prime-time slot and a story that could, if they’d let it, tell itself, must television turn to mush and mutate into a series of treacly Hallmark bereavement cards?…

At one point Gerry McCann admits that his “wife is carrying on in a quasi-real existence”. What she is really doing is falling apart, but too much gloop from the director turned the McCanns’ terrible situation into a guilt trip that made me want to watch The Apprentice instead.

THE INDEPENDENT: “Last Night’s TV: Madeleine, One Year On: Campaign for Change ITV1″

“You can’t always blame the parents,” says Thomas Stucliffe:

They still get a lot of letters, the McCanns, sorting them out into boxes marked “well-wishers”, “ideas”, “psychics” and “nutty”. Incredibly, they also need a box marked “nasty” for messages such as the one that Gerry read out at the beginning of the film. “How can you use money given by poor people in good faith to pay your mortgage on your mansion? You fucking thieving bastards. Your brat is dead because of your drunken arrogance. Shame on you. I curse you and your family to suffer forever. Cursed Christmas. If you had any shame, you would accept full responsibility for your daughter’s disappearance and give all the money back. You are scum.” This heart-warming expression of support had been written inside a Christmas card. The Daily Express, by contrast, chose to print its hate mail on its own front page, confident that there were enough readers out there who would prefer infanticide to unresolved mystery – or to no McCann story at all. And all the time, the McCanns themselves live a life horribly suspended between what might have been and what could happen next, between “if only” and “maybe”.
http://www.anorak.co.uk/tabloids/183494.html
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  donderdag 1 mei 2008 @ 12:06:46 #153
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Dit is de 1-year-on docu van 'The Sun'

http://extras.thesun.co.uk/madeleine/1_year_on/

Strange, geen woord over het DNA in de auto en de tegenstrijdige recentelijk ingetrokken verklaringen van Jane Tanner, heel vaag en pro McCann allemaal, misschien bang voor nog meer schadeclaims.

Oh en Suko, die link werkt niet bij mij.
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Maddie: Special report part 3By ANTONELLA LAZZERI

Published: 30 Apr 2008

A TEARFUL Kate McCann talks tonight about how she is tormented by "if onlys" over the disappearance of Maddie.

An emotional Kate, 40, reveals for the first time how she and husband Gerry had planned to have a family dinner on the night their daughter vanished.

But a last-minute change of plan led them to leave her and her twin sister and brother alone in their holiday apartment in Portugal.

In an extraordinary ITV1 documentary, made to mark the anniversary of Maddie’s disappearance, Kate and husband Gerry, 39, speak as never before about that fateful night.

HER face crumpled in despair, tears streaming down, Kate McCann lays bare her utter grief at being separated from her daughter.

Speaking as never before, Kate says she cannot believe it has been a year since Maddie went missing.

And she tells how seeing the little girl’s best friend in their home village makes her think about how much Maddie must have changed in those long 12 months.

Her voice close to breaking, she says: "I see Madeleine’s best friend from time to time.

"I can’t help but wonder what Madeleine would be like.

"Would she be that much taller? Is her hair as long as that? Would she be writing her name too?"

Always referring to Maddie, who is five in May, in the present tense, she describes her as "very loving. She’s a very bright little girl.

"I had days when I’d go to a cafe with Madeleine and we’d go shopping together and she’d say, ‘Oh mummy, I like that top,’ or ‘Oh, I love your earrings, mummy’.

"She’s good company, she’s like my — you know, she’s like a little buddy to me."

In tonight’s ITV1 documentary, Madeleine, One Year On: Campaign For Change, the McCanns are seen sitting down to a happy family meal while three-year-old twins Sean and Amelie chatter away excitedly.

Later, Kate tells how, when she first returned home from Portugal, she couldn’t bear "everyday things".

She says: "I didn’t cook a meal — just couldn’t do it. I resented things like that because it was taking me away from Madeleine.

"How can I hang up washing when my daughter’s not here?"

Poignantly, she adds: "With three kids, there’s always lots of washing," and says that having to get up to deal with the twins helps her cope with Maddie being missing.

She points out: "They need a happy normal life."

Talking about life without Maddie, who he describes as "endless joy", dad Gerry says it is "a purgatory-type existence. We are kind of between something real and never finding out." He adds sadly: "Our little girl wasn’t even four and is now nearly five. She’s the victim and people should not forget that."

Much of tonight’s documentary was filmed at the McCanns’ home in Rothley, Leicestershire.

Poignantly, as the TV programme shows, there are reminders of Madeleine everywhere.

Photos of her are plastered on the fridge, drawings she did at nursery are stuck to kitchen units and her name is spelt out in wooden letters on a mantelpiece.

The twins are seen noisily playing in a playroom which is littered with Maddie’s things, including a toy kitchen and pink pram.

Their gleeful laughter fills the house, and, watching them play, Kate smiles at the memory of Maddie joining in the fun.

Kate says: "She was great with Sean and Amelie.

"Even when they were born, you know she just stepped into the role really well, considering she was only 20 months when they were born, and she wanted to be involved and help. As they got a little bit older, because the age difference was so close, they just played so well together."

Her voice trailing away as she wipes away tears, Kate adds: "And it was lovely seeing them together and that’s one thing that I struggle with — imagining how they would be now."

Talking about the night when Maddie went missing Kate tells for the first time how she and husband Gerry had planned to dine with the children.

She says: "We were all going to go up to the Millennium restaurant again. That was with the kids, which is what we did the first night.

"It didn’t open till half past six in the evening and our kids usually go to bed around seven, so they were really tired."

Talking about why they had changed their minds, she says that, on the first visit, "we ended up trying to carry three of them between two and we decided we couldn’t do that, really.

"It was just because the walk was so long and we didn’t have a buggy and the kids were tired by that time."

So, instead, the McCanns decided to dine at a tapas bar just across from their holiday apartment. They left the kids alone, checking on them every 20 minutes.

Talking about the much-criticised decision to leave her children alone, Kate says: "I think if there’d even been one second when someone had said, ‘Do you think it’s going to be OK?’, it wouldn’t have happened.


"I mean, there’s absolutely no way, if I’d have had the slightest inkling that there was risk involved there, that I’d have done it."

Gerry adds: "It was so close. It didn’t feel that different to dining out in the back garden."

Kate now admits that she is tormented by the fact they left their children alone.

And she also feels guilty that they did not question Maddie further about a curious remark she made on the morning of the day she went missing.

She says the little girl had asked her, "Mummy, where were you last night when me and Sean were crying?"

The McCanns are convinced now that their daughter may have been woken up by an intruder for her to have said what she did the next morning.

Wringing her hands, Kate says: "You know, I’ve persecuted myself over and over again about that statement because you think, why didn’t I kind of just hold her and say, ‘What do you mean? What do you mean you woke up?’

"I do go back and it does upset you and you think, why didn’t I say, ‘Why did you cry?’ — and why didn’t we go back to the Millennium?"

Breaking down in tears, she adds: "Then, as Gerry said, there is the guilt you feel for not being there and giving someone that opportunity.


"But then I just have to kind of reel myself in and think, ‘I know how much I love Madeleine and I have no doubt that Madeleine knows how much I love her’."

It was Kate’s turn to check on the children — at around 10pm — when she discovered that Maddie had vanished.

She breaks down again as she recalls that moment, adding: "I just remember saying, ‘Not Madeleine, not Madeleine, not Madeleine’ — and I remember saying that over and over again."

Kate admits she "just feared the worst at the beginning".

She says: "It was really cold. I knew what pyjamas she had on and I just thought she’s going to be freezing.

"And it was dark, and every minute seemed like an hour and, obviously, we were up all night and just waited for that first bit of light about six o’clock in the morning."

Gerry says: "Then we just went out searching, the two of us, at daylight. We were saying over and over again, ‘Just let her be found, let her be found’.


"It felt like you’re in the middle of a horror movie, really, a nightmare."

At times during the documentary the couple’s tears turn to anger at the way the Portuguese police have handled their daughter’s disappearance.

Talking about the moment she learnt she and Gerry had been made arguidos — official suspects — Kate says: "As soon as I realised the story, or theory, was that Madeleine was dead and that we’d been involved somehow, it just hit home.

"They haven’t been looking for Madeleine. I was angry, you know. And I thought she deserves so much better than that, and I thought I’m not going to sit here and allow this.

"I felt almost invincible at that point. I just thought my children deserve that — Madeleine deserves that.

"Someone has to be fighting for Madeleine.


"When I was going in to become an arguido I felt angry. I wasn’t scared. I felt like I was going to fight the world, to be honest.

"My daughter was worth more than all that and I would do whatever it took to fight for justice and truth."

For Kate and Gerry the picture of a happy three-year-old clutching a bundle of tennis balls evokes a carefree time before they became household names.

Speaking in the documentary about the now-famous photograph, Kate says: "Gerry loves that photo.

"As part of the kids’ club, they did mini-tennis and she really enjoyed it."

Gerry smiles and adds: "One of the tasks was to gather all the balls up and she’d obviously managed to get three in and she turned round to Kate and she’s like, ‘Look, I’ve got them all’."

He also speaks about the moment the last known picture of Madeleine was taken.

It shows her sitting alongside her father and her younger brother Sean, dangling their feet in the swimming pool, just seven hours before her disappearance.

Gerry says: "She was a little person becoming independent and a piece of just endless joy."

Apart from the twins, the couple have been kept going in recent months by their involvement in the US-style Amber Alert system to keep children safe.

They have recently been to Brussels to ask the European Parliament to adopt a similar scheme across Europe
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At one stage in the documentary they are seen meeting Ed Smart in America.

His daughter Elizabeth was found alive eight months after she was abducted.

He tells the McCanns firmly: "Miracles do happen."


As the first anniversary of Maddie’s disappearance dawns, Kate admits that she cannot imagine living with never knowing what happened to her daughter.

And she says firmly that she and Gerry will never give up searching for her.

At one stage she is seen reading a story in The Sun about a sighting of Maddie in France.

She says: "There’s always that little bit of hope — thinking, ‘Where is she?’ and ‘Is it ever going to be one of those sightings that’s the real thing?’ "

Her voice trembling, Kate says at the end of the documentary: "She’s out there. We’ve just got to find her.

"It doesn’t feel like a year since I saw Madeleine.

"She’s just so much, very much still there and she doesn’t seem so far away.

"It feels like she’s still with me in some way and I’ve never felt like I won’t see her again."
http://www.thesun.co.uk/s(...)e/article1106514.ece

Lees maar voor jezelf, ik heb een paar dingen gezien en ben benieuwd wat jullie opmerken, wordt vervolgd dus.

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  donderdag 1 mei 2008 @ 12:35:50 #154
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The parents of missing four-year-old Madeleine McCann have expressed their frustration with Portuguese police investigating their daughter's disappearance.



Speaking to the BBC before the imminent anniversary of Madeleine's abduction on May 3rd last year, the McCanns underlined their determination to continue appealing for information about their daughter.

"We'll never give up on Madeleine. I want Madeleine back. We need to find Madeleine. That's what keeps us going," Kate McCann explained.

She and her husband remain official suspects in the case but have expressed concern over the lack of contact between Portuguese police and themselves.

"We'd very much like to know exactly what has been done, what hasn't been done, who's been eliminated and on what grounds," Gerry McCann said.

"I think the key thing is… a horrific crime against a young child," Mrs McCann added.

"I think we need to focus on that. Madeleine is still missing and a hideous crime has been committed. And that person is still out there."

The McCanns dismissed speculation that their daughter may have disappeared without being abducted, but said they were unable to reveal further details because of "judicial secrecy" rules.

"We know more than a lot of people than are actually standing up there giving opinions," Mrs McCann added.

"We know more facts and a lot of people are just speculating."

Madeleine disappeared from the apartment where the McCanns were staying on a family holiday in the resort of Praia da Luz in the Algarve.
Goh, wat zou de PJ van hen vinden?
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Op donderdag 1 mei 2008 12:06 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Dit is de 1-year-on docu van 'The Sun'

http://extras.thesun.co.uk/madeleine/1_year_on/

Strange, geen woord over het DNA in de auto en de tegenstrijdige recentelijk ingetrokken verklaringen van Jane Tanner, heel vaag en pro McCann allemaal, misschien bang voor nog meer schadeclaims.

Oh en Suko, die link werkt niet bij mij.
Mogge...middag Kahaarin. Nee, link werkt bij mij ook niet, moet je waarschijnlijk die stomme player van de BBC installeren > is alleen voor de UK, zal wel snel op Youtube te zien zijn, als ik (of iemand anders) het zie meld ik 't wel ff. Jeeeeeez, ik ben het ook wel goed zat eigenlijk en wat te denken van morgenochtend, Ned tijd 10.00u:
Missing Live
Fri 2 May, 9:15 am - 10:00 am 45mins BBC1
Series following the work of the police and the charity Missing People as they search for just some of the 200,000 people who disappear every year. Presented by Louise Minchin and Rav Wilding. "

http://www.missingpeople.org.uk/ dikke maatjes van de McConns. Ze zijn trouwens op zoek naar een PR-manager en een Director of Fundraising & Marketing... Bizz is booming Oja, Richard Branson is één van de Vice Patrons.

Er is zoveel te melden maar nu even niet... Of er moeten nieuwe ontwikkelingen komen, ik vrees van niet. (ergens kan het ook een enorrme hoax zijn, heb er al wat over gelezen, gek genoeg zijn die topics woei/weg, heb het wel bewaard, mogelijk donder ik dat verhaal nog eens hier in dit topic.... )

En de PJ heeft hopelijk ook een wider agenda, mét bewijzen, reken maar dat ook alles in Portugal wordt bekeken en in het dossier wordt toegevoegd. Het wachten is op antwoorden van de McConns, dát is wat de PJ denkt Kahaarin.

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  donderdag 1 mei 2008 @ 13:43:12 #156
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Op donderdag 1 mei 2008 12:53 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Mogge...middag Kahaarin. Nee, link werkt bij mij ook niet, moet je waarschijnlijk die stomme player van de BBC installeren > is alleen voor de UK, zal wel snel op Youtube te zien zijn, als ik (of iemand anders) het zie meld ik 't wel ff. Jeeeeeez, ik ben het ook wel goed zat eigenlijk en wat te denken van morgenochtend, Ned tijd 10.00u:
Missing Live
Fri 2 May, 9:15 am - 10:00 am 45mins BBC1
Series following the work of the police and the charity Missing People as they search for just some of the 200,000 people who disappear every year. Presented by Louise Minchin and Rav Wilding. "
Een docu over vermissingen, daar zullen de McCanns ook wel een platform in krijgen ben ik bang.
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http://www.missingpeople.org.uk/ dikke maatjes van de McConns. Ze zijn trouwens op zoek naar een PR-manager en een Director of Fundraising & Marketing... Bizz is booming Oja, Richard Branson is één van de Vice Patrons.
Veel succes voor die persoon, hopelijk kan hij/zij goed slapen 's nachts.
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Er is zoveel te melden maar nu even niet... Of er moeten nieuwe ontwikkelingen komen, ik vrees van niet. (ergens kan het ook een enorrme hoax zijn, heb er al wat over gelezen, gek genoeg zijn die topics woei/weg, heb het wel bewaard, mogelijk donder ik dat verhaal nog eens hier in dit topic.... )
Doe maar, misschien een beetje leesvoer.....
Ik heb trouwens de dingen in dat stuk uit de Sun onderstreept/uitgelicht die mij opvielen, een heel vreemd artikel.
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En de PJ heeft hopelijk ook een wider agenda, mét bewijzen, reken maar dat ook alles in Portugal wordt bekeken en in het dossier wordt toegevoegd. Het wachten is op antwoorden van de McConns, dát is wat de PJ denkt Kahaarin.
GMTA! Precies Suko, nog steeds hetzelfde gezeur het ligt aan iedereen behalve aan hen, zolang zij maar schone konten hebben.
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Op donderdag 1 mei 2008 13:43 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Een docu over vermissingen, daar zullen de McCanns ook wel een platform in krijgen ben ik bang.
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Veel succes voor die persoon, hopelijk kan hij/zij goed slapen 's nachts.
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Ships, die organisatie van Missing People is al vanaf maandag elke dag op op de BBC, anyway, die 2 genoemde vacatures voor Missing People (PR-manager en een Director of Fundraising & Marketing)....ik kom maar niet op 2 voor de hand liggende namen....het is zo toevallig!
Maar goed, alweer komt dat Oostenrijkse drama in hun verhaal, Sky: "The cases of Elisabeth Fritzl and Natasha Kampusch in Austria have also given them hope that Madeleine could be alive - and they can even imagine her growing up in a different place, surrounded by different people, and simply adjusting to her new situation."

En Metodo 3, ja hoor, nieuw tel.nummer, nieuwe ronde, nieuwe kansen, nieuwe 'getuige'...ook op Sky. En natuurlijk vond dat 's morgens op 3 mei plaats: "The young British woman, whose identity we are not revealing, saw a man "hovering" around the family's Algarve apartment on the morning of May 3, hours before Madeleine vanished." She was asked back for more questioning last week, according to Sky sources.The witness was sitting on a balcony overlooking the holiday complex in Praia da Luz when she spotted the man acting suspiciously."

Yeah! Alweer íemand die Madeleine op 3 mei op de levende kaart wil zetten....maar wacht 's ff, hadden we niet eerder een statement over een balkon, (die twee zussen, vermoedelijk familie van Mams Susan Healy), ja dus, December 28, 2007: "A source close to the investigation said: The women, both thought to be in their 40s from Aylesford in Kent, were on a two-week holiday in the Algarve at the same time as the McCanns and became friends through tennis. They were staying in an apartment nearby and on the day Madeleine disappeared, they say they saw two men in a neighbouring apartment acting suspiciously. “The sisters saw two men wearing trunks, standing on a balcony, whom they had not seen before. They just felt that they looked odd, but didn’t do anything about it.” Bron

Druk druk druk daar, al die mensen op balkons, de PJ moet kasten vol met getuigenverklaringen hebben, maar dan anders...

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Tip: morgenavond, dus vrijdagvond 2 mei, op RTL4, de door hen zelf gemaakte docu:
Madeleine McCann: Een jaar verder 22.25u - 00.25u

"Waarin de ouders van de sinds 3 mei 2007 vermiste Britse peuter Madeleine McCann worden gevolgd. Sinds de toen driejarige Maddie McCann spoorloos verdween uit het vakantieappartement in het Portugese Praia da Luz, hebben ouders Gerry en Kate onafgebroken aandacht gevraagd voor deze zaak, waarin ze zelf ook verdachten werden. Hoe controversieel de feiten ook zijn, het allerbelangrijkst is dat Maddie, inmiddels een jaar na dato, nog altijd wordt vermist en moet worden gevonden."

Ik zag het net op Boulevard, onderwerp werd natuurlijk kritiekloos behandeld maar dat is niet zo verwonderlijk, het leeft niet zo erg hier dus achtergronden zijn vrijwel onbekend. Zakdoeken bij de hand want het wordt héél erg zielig. Ik geloof gerust dat met name Kate het moeilijk had en nog heeft maar ik geloof ook dat ze wetenschap hebben wat er met Madeleine is gebeurd en inmiddels doorgewinterde mediarakkers zijn geworden...zet argusogen op!

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  donderdag 1 mei 2008 @ 19:52:46 #159
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Op donderdag 1 mei 2008 19:21 schreef Suko het volgende:
Tip: morgenavond, dus vrijdagvond 2 mei, op RTL4, de door hen zelf gemaakte docu:
Madeleine McCann: Een jaar verder 22.25u - 00.25u

"Waarin de ouders van de sinds 3 mei 2007 vermiste Britse peuter Madeleine McCann worden gevolgd. Sinds de toen driejarige Maddie McCann spoorloos verdween uit het vakantieappartement in het Portugese Praia da Luz, hebben ouders Gerry en Kate onafgebroken aandacht gevraagd voor deze zaak, waarin ze zelf ook verdachten werden. Hoe controversieel de feiten ook zijn, het allerbelangrijkst is dat Maddie, inmiddels een jaar na dato, nog altijd wordt vermist en moet worden gevonden."

Ik zag het net op Boulevard, onderwerp werd natuurlijk kritiekloos behandeld maar dat is niet zo verwonderlijk, het leeft niet zo erg hier dus achtergronden zijn vrijwel onbekend. Zakdoeken bij de hand want het wordt héél erg zielig. Ik geloof gerust dat met name Kate het moeilijk had en nog heeft maar ik geloof ook dat ze wetenschap hebben wat er met Madeleine is gebeurd en inmiddels doorgewinterde mediarakkers zijn geworden...zet argusogen op!

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Tissues paraat, ik wacht 'met spanning' op de balkonscenes.......

Verder, same old, same old dus, ach ja, geen nieuws dan maken we nieuws is het devies van team McCann.
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Op donderdag 1 mei 2008 19:52 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Tissues paraat, ik wacht 'met spanning' op de balkonscenes.......

Verder, same old, same old dus, ach ja, geen nieuws dan maken we nieuws is het devies van team McCann.
Yeah, wederom schone konten halen....

Maar goed, belofte maakt schuld, hier is in twee delen op youtube het BBC-breakfast interview van vanmorgen:
Deel 1: Kate and Gerry McCann interviewed - BBC Breakfast May 1 2008
Deel 2: Kate and Gerry McCann interviewed - BBC Breakfast May 1 2008

Gevonden op dit forum met nog meer links.

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  donderdag 1 mei 2008 @ 20:29:52 #161
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Op donderdag 1 mei 2008 20:17 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Yeah, wederom schone konten halen....
Die zijn nu al wel blinkend denk ik, tjonge ik ben dat interview aan het luisteren, die mensen hebben dus daadwerkelijk het lef om anderen te vertellen wat ze moeten doen om hun kinderen veilig te houden.....
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Maar goed, belofte maakt schuld, hier is in twee delen op youtube het BBC-breakfast interview van vanmorgen:
Deel 1: Kate and Gerry McCann interviewed - BBC Breakfast May 1 2008
Deel 2: Kate and Gerry McCann interviewed - BBC Breakfast May 1 2008

Gevonden op dit forum met nog meer links.
Bedankt voor de link, eens lezen hoe men het daar beleeft!
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Sommige posters op het 3 arguidoforum zijn iig verward. Die docu van ITV, dus morgenavond op RTL4 te zien, speelt puur alleen in op emoties van met name Kate, maar naderhand komt de verwarring na vooral dat live BBC-Breakfast-interview. Dat zet je weer in de realiteit, naast de info die men al weet natuurlijk. Een columnist van The Guardian Sam Wollaston schrijft ondermeer: "It made for a bloody great sprawl of a film. Two hours! That's too long for most feature films, and much too long for an interview with two quite ordinary people. Yes, they have been through the most terrible thing anyone can go through. No, that doesn't make them worth two hours, especially as anyone who's opened a newspaper in the past year pretty much knows every detail of the story already. And, in spite of what the people at ITN think, there were no new revelations. I can't imagine many people did the distance."

Anyway, nog meer, nog meer....

Zaterdag 3 mei 2008, 23:10 - 00:10 uur SBS6

Madeleine McCann is tegen wil en dank waarschijnlijk het meest bekende gezochte meisje ter wereld. Op 3 mei 2007 verdween de Britse kleuter in de Portugese vakantieplaats Praia da Luz en sindsdien houdt haar mysterieuze verdwijning mensen in alle landen bezig. Diverse personen werden opgepakt en weer vrijgelaten en ook de ouders van Madeleine werden als verdachten aangemerkt. Deze documentaire bevat exclusieve beelden, gefilmd door een vriend van de McCanns, van de ouders van Madeleine in de eerste dagen na de vermissing van hun dochter. Ook de vrouw met wie de McCanns dineerden op de beruchte avond doet voor het eerst haar verhaal voor de camera.

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  donderdag 1 mei 2008 @ 23:58:46 #163
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OMG nog meer "kijk ons arme ouders eens bezorgt zijn repetoire??"
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Op donderdag 1 mei 2008 23:58 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
OMG nog meer "kijk ons arme ouders eens bezorgt zijn repetoire??"
Yep, en voorlopig blijft dat nog wel zo, zolang de McCanns weigeren mee te werken/vragen te beantwoorden, zolang de Britse Labour-overheid het onderzoek (het inzien van de Rogatory Letters zodat de vragen tijdens het verhoren al bekend waren bij de Tapas 7) maaaaanden heeft vertraagd en de resultaten (denk aan de DNA-uitslagen) in een bureaula laat lggen, tot zolang hebben de McCanns ruim baan om (zoals Kahaarin dat zo treffend beschrijft) hun konten schoon te vegen en te houden, totdat de glans verdwijnt, totdat van al die glamour niets meer over blijft en de blaren zichtbaar worden. Columnist Jon Gaunt is on a mission naar het schijnt, sommige stukjes vind ik discutabel maar vooruit, it's a start.
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JON GAUNT - Sun Columnist
Published: 02 May 2008 (published online 01 May 2008)

Come off TV, Kate and Gerry, your time is up The Sun

IT must be just me, but the Maddie documentary left me feeling less sympathetic to Gerry and Kate than I was before. It was a two-hour bore-fest with a centre softer than a marshmallow. And my God, did the background music get on your nerves too?

There was no real probe into why they chose to leave their three children home alone. I accept that their proposal for an amber alert system is a great idea and should be implemented right across Europe.

However, I couldn’t believe their bleating over the fact that their campaign was bumped off the front pages by the revelation that Maddie had asked why Mummy hadn’t come to their room the night before when she was crying.

This was, at best, naive. Of course a revelation like this will go straight to the top of the news agenda. The question remains: Why didn’t Kate and Gerry talk to us about this earlier?

Booze

Again let me state, I don’t know whether they are involved in Maddie’s disappearance — only a court can discover the truth — but I believe they are guilty of neglect. What was all that guff about not having a buggy as a reason for leaving the kids alone in the room?

What was that nonsense about thinking there was a listening service? After a few days they must have realised that no such service was available? Even if they didn’t realise this, surely when Maddie talked about crying on the very day she was abducted they should never have chosen to go out on the booze again.

I interviewed Emma Loach, the director of this film, on my radio show on Wednesday and she clearly illustrated where her sympathies lay when she told me she too had left her three-year-old and five-year-old alone in a hotel room while she went off and had dinner.

Her pathetic excuse for this child neglect was that it was better to do this than have the kids be irritable the next day. erry and Kate said on GMTV yesterday that there are different ways to parent.

They are WRONG.

There is only way and that is to always put your kids first. People like Loach and the McCanns clearly don’t understand that when you have kids your priorities have to change, you are no longer a singleton or a couple and you cannot act as if you are.

Your first responsibility is the safety and comfort of your children.

This programme left me with even more questions than answers and just confirmed to me that the spinning and propaganda on both sides has to stop. I agree with the man who brought the Bulger killers to justice, Albert Kirby, who said on my show that the McCanns’ time would be better spent going back to Portugal and helping the police with the reconstruction rather than touring TV studios.

The McCanns must return and do the reconstruction. Then the Portuguese police need to charge them or release them from their suspect status. But please, most of all, can all the main players in this sad saga remember it is not about you and your suffering but the plight of an innocent four-year-old. Bron
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[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door Suko op 02-05-2008 09:48:39 ]
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En wat was het vanmorgen heerlijk om te zien op de BBC hoe de Labour-partij dramatisch de gemeenteraadsverkiezingen vet vet vet heeft verloren. Ik meldde het gisteren al, mensen zijn echt niet gek! Dit komt ook zeker mede door de bescherming/betrokkenheid van/voor de McCanns door PM Gordon Brown én naar mijn mening Jacqui Smith van het Britse Home Office, die Portugal zo heeft tegengewerkt en dat nog steeds flikt. Gerry McCann heeft overigens ook voorheen voor Labour gerund. Het is sinds 40 jaar nog nooit zo slecht geweest. Beachy:
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"It is thought to be the worst projected share for Labour in 40 years." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7372860.stm

I am reminded of what Churchill said to Neville Chamberlain after Munich: "You had a choice between war and dishonour. You chose dishonour and will have war."

Gordon Brown, honourable sir: I know you did not initiate the government's involvement in the McCann mess; you were handed it by Tony Blair. But once you became Prime Minister you, too, had a choice - between dishonour and embarassment. You chose dishonour, in my opinion, and before this is over, you will surely have your fill of embarassment as well.

Tonight was just the beginning.


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  vrijdag 2 mei 2008 @ 14:00:52 #166
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Ergens bijna sneu, verkiezingen verloren, hun media offensief pakt niet uit zoals ze zouden willen en niemand gelooft meer dat ze geen dubbele agenda hebben.
Als het niet ging om een vermist meisje zou je er om kunnen lachen.

En verder dus geen nieuws behalve de interviews, nergens, geen spoor van Maddy, geen enkel geluid van enige progressie.
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Op vrijdag 2 mei 2008 14:00 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Ergens bijna sneu, verkiezingen verloren, hun media offensief pakt niet uit zoals ze zouden willen en niemand gelooft meer dat ze geen dubbele agenda hebben.
Als het niet ging om een vermist meisje zou je er om kunnen lachen.

En verder dus geen nieuws behalve de interviews, nergens, geen spoor van Maddy, geen enkel geluid van enige progressie.
Ik vond het werelds, dat verlies van Labour! Nee helaas, en dat spoor zal misschien nooit worden gevonden. De Mccanns gaan morgen niet naar de kerkdienst in Praia da Luz, broer John Mccann gaat: "They will be accompanied by Michael Wright, Kate's cousin. After the ceremony, in front of the church, familiar with Kate and Gerry have planned to speak to the media by reading a statement prepared by the head of the campaign, Clarence Mitchell."

Nee, De McCanns zijn veel te bang voor de PJ en de Luzjes aldaar, die hebben de buik allang al vol van dit mediacircus. Overigens hebben de McCanns deze dagen al 18 interviews gegeven, de US is nu aan de beurt, en dat nog buiten de optredens elke morgen in het programma Missing People van de BBC. Volgende week ook nog te zien, ik weet niet of ze daar dan weer zijn. Bron

En verder kunnen mensen nu naar een anoniem emailafres mailen, de McCanns maakten dat vanmorgen bekend, zij doen het voorkomen alsof dat hetzelfde is als naar naar het nieuwe tel. nummer bellen, Metodo 3 dus. Maar pas op, als men mailt via de mail van de eigen provider dan is ook het ip-nummer bekend, je voelt 't al, zoals op 3arguido dit terecht aan de orde komt: "the email address is anonymous@findmadeleine.com BUT it doesn't mean your email is anonymous - your email address headers etc will be on record! it does appear to suggest that it's like an anonymous phone call but it's NOT." + "Do not let them collect your email address, particularly if it is one provided by your ISP."

Het advies is natuurlijk de politie te bellen zoals elk weldenkend mens zou doen: Leicester police; 0116 222 2222
Scotland Yard; 0207 230 1212

Die enge supportgroep HTFM van de McCanns houden Fora en bloggers al geruime tijd behoorlijk bezig, alweer een voorbeeld is op het 3arguidoforum te lezen.

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  vrijdag 2 mei 2008 @ 19:34:58 #168
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Op vrijdag 2 mei 2008 17:53 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Ik vond het werelds, dat verlies van Labour! Nee helaas, en dat spoor zal misschien nooit worden gevonden. De Mccanns gaan morgen niet naar de kerkdienst in Praia da Luz, broer John Mccann gaat: "They will be accompanied by Michael Wright, Kate's cousin. After the ceremony, in front of the church, familiar with Kate and Gerry have planned to speak to the media by reading a statement prepared by the head of the campaign, Clarence Mitchell."
Ze hebben imho alles al gezegd in hun interviews, wat willen ze nu nog verklaren dan?
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Nee, De McCanns zijn veel te bang voor de PJ en de Luzjes aldaar, die hebben de buik allang al vol van dit mediacircus. Overigens hebben de McCanns deze dagen al 18 interviews gegeven, de US is nu aan de beurt, en dat nog buiten de optredens elke morgen in het programma Missing People van de BBC. Volgende week ook nog te zien, ik weet niet of ze daar dan weer zijn. Bron
Inderdaad, allemaal valse lucht, zouden ze niet doorhebben dat ze alleen maar wrevel opwekken zo? Er bestaat ook nog zoiets als overexposure.
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En verder kunnen mensen nu naar een anoniem emailafres mailen, de McCanns maakten dat vanmorgen bekend, zij doen het voorkomen alsof dat hetzelfde is als naar naar het nieuwe tel. nummer bellen, Metodo 3 dus. Maar pas op, als men mailt via de mail van de eigen provider dan is ook het ip-nummer bekend, je voelt 't al, zoals op 3arguido dit terecht aan de orde komt: "the email address is anonymous@findmadeleine.com BUT it doesn't mean your email is anonymous - your email address headers etc will be on record! it does appear to suggest that it's like an anonymous phone call but it's NOT." + "Do not let them collect your email address, particularly if it is one provided by your ISP."

Het advies is natuurlijk de politie te bellen zoals elk weldenkend mens zou doen: Leicester police; 0116 222 2222
Scotland Yard; 0207 230 1212
Slimme truc, meteen iedereen die lastig is kunnen traceren via hun IP adres, maar daar kun je wel omheen, een gratis hotmail accountje in een internetcafe doet wonderen.
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Die enge supportgroep HTFM van de McCanns houden Fora en bloggers al geruime tijd behoorlijk bezig, alweer een voorbeeld is op het 3arguidoforum te lezen.
Ik heb het gelezen, jeetje wat een griezels, vaag dat die vrouw zo bedreigd wordt, hopelijk doet de politie iets met de aangifte.
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Was net ook een stukje bij één vandaag met onze eigen Jaap Jongbloed. Er werd niet aan de ouders getwijfeld en het leek wel of Jaap z'n tekst aan 't oplezen was, want hij keek regelmatig met een schuin oog naar een papier op z'n bureau.
- I've just made up my mind, so don't confuse me with the facts -
  vrijdag 2 mei 2008 @ 19:49:11 #170
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Op vrijdag 2 mei 2008 19:40 schreef Loohcs het volgende:
Was net ook een stukje bij één vandaag met onze eigen Jaap Jongbloed. Er werd niet aan de ouders getwijfeld en het leek wel of Jaap z'n tekst aan 't oplezen was, want hij keek regelmatig met een schuin oog naar een papier op z'n bureau.
http://www.tvgids.nl/programmadetail/?ID=7071529
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Madeleine McCann: Een jaar verderDocumentaire

waarin de ouders van de sinds 3 mei 2007 vermiste Britse peuter Madeleine McCann worden gevolgd. Sinds de toen driejarige Maddie McCann spoorloos verdween uit het vakantieappartement in het Portugese Praia da Luz, hebben ouders Gerry en Kate onafgebroken aandacht gevraagd voor deze zaak, waarin ze zelf ook verdachten werden. Hoe controversieel de feiten ook zijn, het allerbelangrijkst is dat Maddie, inmiddels een jaar na dato, nog altijd wordt vermist en moet worden gevonden.

RTL 4, 22:25 uur
Ik ben hier wel benieuwd naar, wat betreft Jaap Jongbloed, ik denk dat men als de dood is voor claims van de McCanns, dit is imho gewoon een onderdeel van hun recente charme offensief in de media, of we het nu leuk vinden of niet, er is nog geen zinnig woord te zeggen over het hoe en wat, het waarom is wel duidelijk, de ouders hebben het degene die Maddy heeft meegenomen errug makkelijk gemaakt door de deur open te laten.
Suko denkt dat de ouders er mee te maken hebben maar ik neig naar een opportunist die een open deur zag en een mooi kindje, we komen er wellicht wel een keer achter wat er nu daadwerkelijk is gebeurd.
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Jaap Jongbloed heeft zich ook nooit echt verdiept in de kwestie, hij noemde niet eens dat de McCanns formeel verdachten zijn én dat ze niet meewerken, me dunkt, als mensen zich aanmelden bij Vermist zou de redactie toch eerst vragen (als het ouders betreft) wát ze zelf hebben gedaan. Ook Spoorloos heeft regels waaraan je moet voldoen, en zeker niet op de verdachten-rol staan. Jammer dat het geen Nederlanders betreffen, Peter r. de Vries had op z'n minst heel diep in de zaak gedoken, maar wie weet, de kids zijn wel in A.dam via IVF verwekt én geboren, toch een beetje Dutchies.... Komop Peter, je kan 't!

Anyway, ik denk idd dat ze wetenschap hebben dat Madeleine niet meer leeft, dat ze de peuter óf dood hebben aangetroffen in of buiten het apartement, door een val, al of niet groggy wegens sedatie, óf dat Gerry óf Kate de kleine te hard hebben aangepakt, tenslotte hebben mensen de kleine uren horen huilen, op diverse avonden, ze waren vet geirriteerd dat het MW-resort de McCanns hadden gebeld vanwege dat gehuil. Er zijn nog tig situaties te bedenken waarom ik denk dat de McCanns schuldig zijn aan de vermissing/dood van Madeleine. En ook niets wijst op een ontvoering, nada.

Maar goed, dat hele Amber Alert-systeem is helemaal niet nodig, Charlotte heeft daar een mooi artikel over geschreven: Is Mr Mitchell aware of Amber Alert in other countries? Maar ook: (ook in Charlotte's verhaal)
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Police chief rejects McCanns' amber alert campaign The UK’s most senior officer responsible for missing children today ruled out Kate and Gerry McCann’s plea to introduce an “amber alert” system. Deputy Assistant Commissioner Richard Bryan insisted that there was no need to emulate the US system of immediate information broadcasts once children have been reported missing. The officer, who is the Association of Chief Police Officers head of missing people, said forces in England and Wales already operate an effective “child rescue alert”.
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Senior UK officers said up to 700 child abductions are reported each year, the majority of which involve marriage break-ups.

They believe low-key techniques, such as studying CCTV, checking bank records and tracking mobile phones, can be more effective than public appeals. A child rescue alert can only be made when the missing child is aged under 16, and police believe he or she has been abducted and is in danger of serious harm.

On the occasions they have been used, one baby was found under a bed at home after it was missed in an initial search. In the second case, a child was reported abducted after the car it was strapped into was stolen by thieves. It was later found unharmed in the abandoned car. The third alert involved a report of an abduction made by a child witness where police eventually found no evidence any crime had taken place. Het heke artikel in The Times
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  vrijdag 2 mei 2008 @ 20:41:12 #172
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We zullen zien Suko, er is 1 ding wat er wel als een paal boven water staat, eens zal alles uitkomen, daar ben ik rotsvast van overtuigd.

Oh, en zakdoekjes bij de hand?
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LONDON, England (CNN) -- Madeleine McCann has become an icon for missing children, her parents said Friday on the eve of the anniversary of the British toddler's disappearance from a Portuguese holiday resort.


A faded photograph of Madeleine McCann on a church notice board near where she disappeared.

Gerry and Kate McCann have kept Madeleine's disappearence in the public eye.

"Madeleine does seem to have become iconic of missing children," Kate McCann told CNN in an interview as the couple launched a fresh appeal for information about Madeleine's whereabouts and vowed never to give up the search until she is found.

"We believe there is a very good chance Madeleine is out there," Gerry McCann said. "There is certainly no evidence to suggest otherwise and we are doing our best to find her. At the moment we've got a few pieces of a jigsaw and a huge gap and what we are trying to do is build that information."

The couple also reiterated their support for the introduction of a Europe-wide alert procedure for missing children similar to the "Amber alert" system in the United States, which advocates credit with cutting rates of child abduction.

"We are interested in making a world safer for children," Gerry McCann said. "This is something that could be implemented and it will save lives."

Madeleine, then age 3, disappeared from the family's holiday villa at the beach resort of Praia da Luz on the evening of May 3, 2007, as her parents dined in a nearby restaurant.

Police later released sketches of a scruffy, mustachioed man who witnesses claimed to have seen carrying a young girl matching Madeleine's description.

CAMPAIGN HOTLINE
UK: 0845 838 4699
International: +44 845 838 4699 "The chances of Madeleine being found are at least as good if not better than in those first few days," Kate McCann said. "We know she's been abducted by a man. Other than that we just don't know anything. There's a whole range of scenarios in which she could still be alive."

Since September the McCanns themselves have been considered formal suspects -- or "arguidos" -- under Portuguese law in the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance.

The couple was stunned and dismayed by the development, Kate McCann said.

"Our reaction was disbelief, first of all, and then devastation because suddenly they were looking at us -- and if they were looking at us then who was looking for Madeleine? Who was looking for my little girl? It was devastating," she said.

The couple's naming as formal suspects prompted a hostile backlash in some British newspapers. Gerry McCann reiterated that they have never been accused of having any involvement in their daughter's apparent abduction.

"Anyone can smear you and anyone can be smeared," he said. "But we have never been accused of anything and we are trying to look forward. What we are saying is that Madeleine is out there and we want to find her."

The couple, from Rothley, Leicestershire, describe the night of Madeleine's disappearance as a parent's "worst nightmare" and the "most horrific situation imaginable."

"Every parent can imagine it but they will probably never feel that desperation," said Gerry McCann. "Any parent knows that fleeting feeling in a park or in a supermarket: Where's my child? And then there's that terrible realization."

The McCanns say they are now trying to lead an "ordinary family life" amid the campaign to find Madeleine, and say their 3-year-old twins' routine of swimming lessons and nursery classes has proved a welcome distraction from the search.

The pair are still too young to comprehend their sister's disappearance and still include her in their games, Kate McCann says.

"They do lots of role playing with toys in which they still include Madeleine," said Kate McCann. "If she walked through the door, I think they would be like: 'Madeleine's back, let's go to the park!'"

But the couple admit that a normal life is impossible while Madeleine remains missing.

"The concept of saying, let's go out and have a nice meal even a year down the line that doesn't hold any appeal or enjoyment," said Gerry McCann. "We need to know everything and we will never give up."

"You have moments when you are exhausted and you think you can't do this anymore but it's a second, a moment," Kate McCann said. "Because you never give up. Who would give up on their own child?"
http://edition.cnn.com/20(...)cann.year/index.html


En nergens we missen haar, geen appeal naar de ontvoerder, allen maar dat zij het moeilijk hebben, draai dat eens om naar Maddy, wat voelt zij? Wat, als ze nog leeft- ik betwijfel dat, gaat er door haar heen?
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  vrijdag 2 mei 2008 @ 21:22:13 #173
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Zelfs de Nederlandse TV doet aan deze voorstelling mee, vanavond bij Vermist....
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Indeed Kahaarinm vooral als je bedenkt dat ze geen reden hebben dat Madeleine iets ergs is aangedaan, zoals je zelf denken, maar wel dat Oostenrijks drama erbij halen. Het is van 2-en één, of ze is er niet erg aan toe, of in een kelder, ergens....Wat ziiten ze toch ongelofelijk uit hun nek te kakelen!

Maar goed, ik las net een merkwaardig artikel:
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Correio da Manhã, 2 May 2008, 10h00 Tânia Laranjo

translation: Debk.

Blood marks the death

They aren't enough to condemn the McCanns. They are only miniscule vestiges, whose genetic profile is frighteningly close to Madeleine's. The definitive results are now in Portugal, as are the final analysis of the biological and synthetic residues sent to the National Institute of Legal Medicine (INML) headquartered in Coimbra.

For many investigators, the proof is sufficient, but the truth is that in court it could create doubt. And in a case like this, which also concerns the credibility of our authorities, all the care in the world is not enough.

The definitive exam results have been with PJ for some months and indicate a high degree of similarity between the blood in the McCann's car and that of Madeleine. The same comparisons were made with the vestiges detected in the apartment rented by the English [couple] and where the child, then three years old, disappeared without a trace.

One year later, the impasse in the investigation continues. Without a cadaver or confessions it will continue to be possible for the child's parents to create doubts [in court]. Not because of the quality of the vestiges, but because of the method used in their collection. "The vestiges were not visible to the naked eye and it was necessary to use the 'low copy number'. What that means is that genetic profiles were extracted from all the people that left vestiges in that place. We are not dealing with contamination of the samples, but the possibility, mostly academic, that someone with an identical genetic profile combined with all the others," affirmed a source within the process to CM.

In addition, Corte Real, responsible for the genetic analysis at INML, told CM that there are no perfect DNA matches. Without referring specifically to this case, the specialist reiterated that 99.99% results are valid, almost standalone, in paternity suits. "If we are talking about cases where various genetic profiles were collected then the results are lower [than 99.99%]."

"Maddie is missing" (Gerry and Kate McCann, Maddie's parents, to SIC TV)

- How has this past year been?

Kate: I spend the entire day with Sean and Amélie. It has been very difficult, but I continue to believe that Maddie is alive.

Gerry: It was by far the most difficult year. We continue to be motivated by the strong possibility that she is alive.

- Do your younger children continue to ask about their sister?

Kate: They talk about her every day. She is part of their lives. At times it is difficult, other times touching. She is part of their lives.

Gerry: I believe that if Maddie returned home today they would react normally ... they are very little, and don't yet ask questions. At this point, they just know that Maddie is missing.

Kate: We can only tell them the truth when we know it.

Gerry: They have the notion that they last saw Maddie in Portugal. They think that if they go back, they'll find their sister.

NOTES

18 Interviews

Yesterday, Maddie's parents gave 18 interviews to the media.

Message to the Abductor

"All we want is Madeleine back and you can free yourself of this situation," says Gerry.

The Apartment

In apartment 5a at the Ocean Club vestiges of blood were found, whose DNA is similar to Maddie's. One of the vestiges was behind the sofa.

The Car

The discovery of vestiges in the car rented after the disappearance mandated the about-face of the investigation. The exam results caused the parents to become arguidos.
Vreemd, terwijl andere bronnen melden dat de DNA-resultaten nog steeds niet openbaar cq bekend zijn, of toch wel??? Ex-copper Beachy denkt (waar bovenstaand artikel ook vandaan komt): "We are not dealing with contamination of the samples, but the possibility, mostly academic, that someone with an identical genetic profile combined with all the others," affirmed a source within the process to CM."If Correia da Manha is reporting the state of the evidence correctly, this is a misunderstanding of the science. Unless Madeleine has an unknown identical twin somewhere, there is no one else on earth with a genetic profile identical to hers."

Afijn, houdt de spanning er in zullen we maar zeggen... Of heeft Clarence Mitchell z'n jatjes in deze krant kunnen zetten.... Oja, 'low copy number' wat betreft DNA is nu wel officeel geaccepteerd in de UK, eerdere post.

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  zaterdag 3 mei 2008 @ 00:10:23 #175
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@ Suko,
Door alle interviews enz van de McCanns ben ik me wel gaan afvragen waarom blijft het zo stil in Portugal?
Daar moeten inmiddels toch ook een aantal mensen met opgetroken wenkbrauwen naar deze show zitten te kijken ?
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Op zaterdag 3 mei 2008 00:10 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
@ Suko,
Door alle interviews enz van de McCanns ben ik me wel gaan afvragen waarom blijft het zo stil in Portugal?
Daar moeten inmiddels toch ook een aantal mensen met opgetroken wenkbrauwen naar deze show zitten te kijken ?
Yep, in de diverse berichten is gerapporteerd dat mensen aldaar het liefst niet meer willen worden herrinerd aan deze tragedie. Nog ff doorbijten voor de bewonders, vandaag wordt er een dienst gehouden in de kerk van Praia da Luz, alleen o.a. broer John McCann is aanwezig die naderhand een verklaring zal voorlezen, opgesteld door the one and only Clarence Mitchell. Wel zijn er al veel (ramp)toeristen en veel pers. Ik begrijp die dienst heus wel, in wat voor omstandigheden Madeleine is verdwenen, een speciale dag als vandaag is het minste wat men kan doen. Overigens zijn de McCanns op advies van hun advocaten niet in Portugal zo hoorde in gisteren in hun eigen docu.

Nu ik het daar toch over heb, waarom worden er leugens verteld...zoals dat Kate tijdens haar verhoor door de Portugese ondervragers haar is voorgesteld dat ze maar moest bekennen dat Madeleine per ongeluk om het leven is gekomen en dat ze daardoor strafvermindering zou krijgen.
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But it was reported that Kate McCann was being offered a deal. Admit accidentally killing Madeleine and face a reduced sentence. "You know, I'd have fought to the death to be honest at that point.There was no way I was going to be railroaded into something."
Dat is dus pertinent niet waar en is ook door haar Portugese adcovaat ferm tegengesproken, die mogelijkheid kent de Portugese wet namelijk niet. Waarom dan toch in de docu vertellen???

En ook op het laatst dat de PJ heeft gelekt wat betreft dat Madeleine op 3 mei bij het ontbijt zou hebben gezegd waarom Kate niet kwam kijken toen ze die avond daarvoor moest huilen, allang is nu door die bewuste journo verteld dat het een Spaanse lek-bron was, bovendien hadden velen mensen rondom de McCanns al die verklaringen al gelezen, ook Metodo 3, in Spanje...toevallig toch weer. Je zag ook Clarence Mitchell in beeld met z'n mobiel in Brussel toen zogenaamd dat lek hem ter ore kwam. Ik heb het al eerder, en ook anderen, gepost, dat is gelekt (imo) om te laten zien dat Madeleine op 3 mei nog leefde, want daaraan wordt getwijfeld...En verder vond ik het buitengewoon opmerkelijk dat de McCanns dachten dat iemand mogelijk op die avond (2 mei) dat ze moest huilen (in de docu meldden ze dat Maddie letterlijk zei "Where were you last night when me and Sean cried?") misschien al aanwezig is geweest....dat ze daarom huilden. For Pete's sake, en dan toch wéér de kids alleen laten??? Omdat er geen buggies waren...? Maar dát was de reden waarom ze dit zo aan de politie hadden verteld, er was mogelijk iemand al op 2 mei binnen geweest... Ach ja, achteraf iets invullen is zo makkelijk. En dat Tapasrestaurant lag volgens Gerry zowat vlak naast hun apartement, (toch minstens 75 -100 yard en verscholen achter struiken), en even werd vergeten dat het buiten de hekken was gesitueerd, niet afgesloten en aan de openbare weg. En verder zei Kate dat ze alles hebben verteld aan de Portugese politie...not, er liggen nog een aantal vragen te wachten.

Mijn algemene indruk is verder van deze docu niets heeft toegevoegd aan wat ik al dacht. Eigenlijk nog erger, but hé, dat is mijn mening. Duurde ook veel te lang, Pffff. Verder nog geen nieuws gelezen.

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  zaterdag 3 mei 2008 @ 11:42:02 #177
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Alweer een jaar geleden. Ik vind het echt ongelooflijk dat er nog steeds niet duidelijk is wat er met Maddy is gebeurd. Al dat onderzoek en zoveel vage aanwijzingen en dan niks concreet weten te krijgen. Wat is dat toch frustrerend.
Ik blijf toch de ouders verdenken, althans ik vermoed dat zij weten waar Maddy is en wat er met haar is gebeurd. Maar ik begin zo langzamerhand het gevoel te krijgen dat wij er nooit achter zullen komen.
Hetzelfde eigenlijk als met Nathalee Holloway. Maar ik hoop dat jij gelijk hebt met je rotsvaste overtuiging, Kahaarin.
Als je goed om je heen kijkt zie je dat alles gekleurd is.
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Echt, ik hoop ook dat de waarheid naar boven komt, maar ik vrees van niet. Er staan teveel reputaties op het spel, niet in het minst die van de Britse overheid. Iedereen zit er te diep in, het zou toch een geweldige blamage zijn als schuldigen in hun midden worden ontmaskerd...

Anyway, Charlotte schreef een scherp stukje aangaande het oproepen van eventuele getuigen door de McCanns en dan dit OOK aan hen door te geven....
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Mr McCann, 39, said: "This is a last chance to capture a lot of information which has maybe gone into the investigation and we are not privy to.

"Clearly we need to know that everything has been done. What we are asking people to do is if you have given information to police, Crimestoppers, the Portuguese police, we are asking you to give it to us as well.”


Somehow that does not ring right. I may be wrong but I understood that eye-witnesses were not able to release information to suspects in their own case? Already the McCanns have broken the Portuguese secrecy laws by talking about the evening of 3rd May when Madeleine disappeared, now they are asking anyone who has given information to the Portuguese police to give it to them as well.

Makes a person wonder if the speculation that the British government may be involved is true. You can read the whole article here: ITN
Misschien iets te scherp, artikel is nu weer weg...
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[ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door Suko op 03-05-2008 13:39:55 (toevoeging) ]
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Ik hoorde net op BBC World dat mogelijk met 14 dagen de rechter zal beslissen of de files mogen worden ingekeken door de McCanns, Robert Murat én de pers. Maar een reporter (Jane Hill) in Praia da Luz vertelde dat de rechter ook beslissen dat het misschien nog 3 maanden kan duren, dus dat wordt nog spannend.
  zaterdag 3 mei 2008 @ 15:22:34 #180
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Madeleine McCann een jaar verdwenen
ANP, Reuters, AFP
gepubliceerd op 03 mei 2008 12:32, bijgewerkt op 12:32

LONDEN/PRAIA DA LUZ - In onder meer het Verenigd Koninkrijk en in Portugal staan zaterdag talrijke mensen stil bij de verdwijning van het Britse meisje Madeleine McCann, precies een jaar geleden. Dit meldde de Britse omroep BBC zaterdag. De ouders van Madeleine begonnen de dag met een besloten gebedsbijeenkomst in Leicesterchire.

Madeleine verdween op 3 mei 2007 uit een vakantiewoning van haar ouders in het Zuid-Portugese Praia da Luz. Haar ouders, die door de Portugese politie als verdachten worden beschouwd, hebben een internationale campagne opgezet om hun verdwenen dochter terug te vinden.

De afgelopen dagen gaven ze weer talrijke interviews, zoals met de Amerikaanse nieuwszender CNN. Daarin zeiden ze ervan overtuigd te zijn dat hun dochtertje, dat inmiddels bijna vijf moet zijn, nog leeft.

De ouders, vrienden en sympathisanten van de McCanns hebben iedereen opgeroepen zaterdagavond tussen 22.30 uur en 23.00 uur - ongeveer de tijd waarop Madeleine een jaar geleden verdween - kaarsen te ontsteken. De actie heeft als symbolisch doel om ‘de verlichte weg naar huis’ aan te duiden voor Madeleine. Verscheidene familieleden van de McCanns zijn naar de Algarve afgereisd om daar herdenkingsbijeenkomsten bij te wonen.

Het hoofd van de Portugese politie, Alípio Ribeiro, maakte zaterdag nog eens duidelijk dat het onderzoek naar de verdwijning van Madeleine niet is gesloten en dat de ouders nog steeds als verdachten worden beschouwd. De ouders gelden sinds september vorig jaar officieel als verdachten in de zaak. Zij ontkennen zelf elke betrokkenheid bij de verdwijning van hun dochter


De volkskrant is kennelijk nog wel in staat een enigszins afgewogen bericht te produceren.
Here we are now, entertain us.
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Hajo Voyeur, Spaanse muts aka Sombrero! Nou ja, wel ontdaan van alle franje dat dan weer wel. Ik hoorde net een opmerkelijk bericht op BBC-nieuws vanuit Praia da Luz. Dat geldschieter Brian Kennedy (Clarence Mitchell e.a. worden door hem betaald) vorig jaar een onmoeting heeft gehad met mede fomeel verdachte Robert Murat, dat bevestigde zijn advocaat aldaar, de inhoud van dat gesprek werd niet bekend gemaakt. Overigens is Murat zelf dit weekend niet aanwezig, lijkt me verstandig. Jornal de Notícias heeft wel wat details, vertaling LI, 3arguidofroum:
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McCanns after Murat

The McCanns look for answers in Robert Murat, they are convinced of his involvement in the disappearance of their daughter. The multimillionaire that supports the expenses with lawyers and the private detectives of the Spanish agency "Método 3" went on purpose to Algarve to know the British.

Brian Kennedy offered to help him, although he was unable to explain how. Why? Why does he believe that Robert or his mother Jennifer might have seen someone on the night of 3rd of May in the area of the Ocean Club. He was prepared to pay to the best technicians to draw a photofit of a possible suspect. Saying one thing and then saying another he ended to say that Kate and Gerry believe that he is innocent and they never came publicly to accuse him but he insisted that Murat might remember some important detail to help them find Madeleine.

The JN knows that Murat did not accept the help of the multimillionaire. On the contrary he was upset with the questions that were made and with the insistence of the multimillionaire that wanted him to remember the night of the disappearance, when Murat always said that he spent the night in his mother's house, Jennifer, in Praia da Luz.

The meeting - a dinner that Brian Kennedy asked to be discreet and far away from the eyes of the press - took place in the end of last year at a house of Murat's relatives in Burgau (Vila do Bispo). At the dinner were present Murat and Kennedy, the respective lawyers, Jennifer Murat and the aunt and uncle of Murat.

After dinner was Brian Kennedy that finished the conversation. He could not explain why three friends of the couple, belonging to the group "Tapas 7" came publicly saying that they saw Robert Murat in the area of the Ocean Club in the night of 3 of May and he (Kennedy) ended to enter in contradiction.

Francisco Pagarete does not confirm this meeting but the JN knows that the PJ is aware and that they monitored the steps of Kennedy and the detectives of Método 3 very closely. According to the lawyer one year after the disappearance of Maddie, Murat "still does not understand how his name was involved in the case". "Everything is very strange" says the lawyer regretting that " a person was involved in this story without having nothing to do with it"
En wat heeft die Brian Kennedy dan voor hidden agenda??? En was het niet zo dat Robert Murat en z'n moeder eind vorig jaar enorm zijn achtervolgd en getreiterd door die vlerken van Metodo 3, nou begrijp ik waarom....je blijft je verbazen... Discussie/ theorieën hier verder te volgen. Overigens zie ik hier ook weer enigszins een spin...eigenlijk, de avond op 3 mei weer bevestigen, niets verbaasd mij meer...

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Oh well, algemeen is de gedachte dat bovenstaand artikel idd Clarrie-talk is... Reminder voor straks: Madeleine McCann: 1 jaar na haar verdwijning SBS6 23.10 - 00.10u

See the tormented parents when unaware of being filmed < filmpje uit een interview deze week op BBC East Midlands En na ca. 2 min 40....van zo zielig, naar zo vrolijk. Wat shots van vlak ná de opname:



Zou de BBC dat stiekem express hebben vrijgegeven??? Bron

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  zaterdag 3 mei 2008 @ 22:55:14 #183
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Tja, ik zag het filmpje en er viel mij de eerste keer echt niks op. Pas toen ik echt bewust na 2.40 ging kijken, zag ik het. Ja, dit vind ik dan weer net te ver gaan om dit helemaal uit te vergroten.
Als je goed om je heen kijkt zie je dat alles gekleurd is.
  zondag 4 mei 2008 @ 12:32:27 #184
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Op vrijdag 2 mei 2008 21:51 schreef Suko het volgende:
Indeed Kahaarin vooral als je bedenkt dat ze geen reden hebben dat Madeleine iets ergs is aangedaan, zoals je zelf denken, maar wel dat Oostenrijks drama erbij halen. Het is van 2-en één, of ze is er niet erg aan toe, of in een kelder, ergens....Wat ziiten ze toch ongelofelijk uit hun nek te kakelen!
Spijkers en koppen, schone bibsen en propaganda, ze hebben zich er zo in vastgedraaid dat ze er zelf niet eens meer uitkomen, wel ontvoerd door een pedo, vastgehouden door iemand die ze haar two-pence worth geeft, wat is het nu?
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Maar goed, ik las net een merkwaardig artikel:


Vreemd, terwijl andere bronnen melden dat de DNA-resultaten nog steeds niet openbaar cq bekend zijn, of toch wel??? Ex-copper Beachy denkt (waar bovenstaand artikel ook vandaan komt): "We are not dealing with contamination of the samples, but the possibility, mostly academic, that someone with an identical genetic profile combined with all the others," affirmed a source within the process to CM."If Correia da Manha is reporting the state of the evidence correctly, this is a misunderstanding of the science. Unless Madeleine has an unknown identical twin somewhere, there is no one else on earth with a genetic profile identical to hers."

Afijn, houdt de spanning er in zullen we maar zeggen... Of heeft Clarence Mitchell z'n jatjes in deze krant kunnen zetten.... Oja, 'low copy number' wat betreft DNA is nu wel officeel geaccepteerd in de UK, eerdere post.
Precies, net wat we al dachten, de PJ zit op meer dan alleen wat er gelekt is, we zullen zien.
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Op zaterdag 3 mei 2008 11:42 schreef livelink het volgende:
Alweer een jaar geleden. Ik vind het echt ongelooflijk dat er nog steeds niet duidelijk is wat er met Maddy is gebeurd. Al dat onderzoek en zoveel vage aanwijzingen en dan niks concreet weten te krijgen. Wat is dat toch frustrerend.
Ik blijf toch de ouders verdenken, althans ik vermoed dat zij weten waar Maddy is en wat er met haar is gebeurd. Maar ik begin zo langzamerhand het gevoel te krijgen dat wij er nooit achter zullen komen.
Hetzelfde eigenlijk als met Nathalee Holloway. Maar ik hoop dat jij gelijk hebt met je rotsvaste overtuiging, Kahaarin.
Ik hoop echt dat er nog een keer iemand doorslaat, ik blijf zeggen dat een kind niet zomaar van de aardbodem kan verdwijnen hoe goed ze ook is verstopt, levend of overleden.
be nice or go away
  zondag 4 mei 2008 @ 12:35:18 #185
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Madeleine McCann: That was the week that was
Well thank God that week is now over. An obscene blitz by the fawning British media enlisted to scramble to the aid of the MDF - McCann Defence Force. All that was missing was Kenneth Moore driving along in an old MG with a pipe in his mouth, telling us what a frightfully fine family the McCanns are.

"Poor Kate" and "Frail Kate" bombarded targets such as logic, common sense - and the vision to see that Kate changes expression as quickly as a camera shutter. One second she's in tears then "click" and she's as beaming and confident as a cup final winner.

Of course there was the now compulsory shot at the Portuguese police, and the customary hijacking of other people's tragedy by using the case of the poor Austrian girl as a shred of hope.

Hope? Who for Kate? For you or for Madeleine?

Personally I would be scared to death at the thought of my daughter being locked up with a deranged sex offender. I certainly would not be so bloody gleeful at the prospect as Kate appeared to be. But of course this whole circus long ago ceased being about Madeleine - it's all about Rothley's finest - beaming examples of parental responsibility whose only sin is to have made a "marginal error" as one reporter described what most people call neglect.

At least one person knows what happened. At least one person knows where the little mite is. At least one person can answer the question so many caring, concerned people around the world want to know.

At least one person can give a little girl dignity, respect and peace.

Whoever knows - it's time. Time to speak.

Not only for Madeleine - but also for yourself.


Mike Hitchen, Mike Hitchen Consulting Publisher of
i On Global Trends and Sydney Irresistible
http://ionglobaltrends.bl(...)s-week-that-was.html

Nog maar even een quote van een blogger, ik weet dat het een griezel is Suko maar hier slaat hij de spijker imho wel op zijn kop, laten we hopen dat dit ook echt eens gaat gebeuren.
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Op zondag 4 mei 2008 12:35 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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http://ionglobaltrends.bl(...)s-week-that-was.html

Nog maar even een quote van een blogger, ik weet dat het een griezel is Suko maar hier slaat hij de spijker imho wel op zijn kop, laten we hopen dat dit ook echt eens gaat gebeuren.
Tuurlijk is dit terecht een well spoken comment, ondanks dattie door een rivaal als een nutter wordt omschreven, who cares anyway...

En columnist, Rod Liddle van The Times schrijft ook van zich af:
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Madeleine, the incidental onlooker

Come on, be honest. When Kate McCann appears before you on your television screen, do you sink your head low and remember poor Madeleine, somehow spirited out of that Praia da Luz apartment, or are you overwhelmed with a sense of irritation, annoyance and ennui?

Or like me, is it a little bit of both, callous pig that I am?

Madeleine went missing exactly a year ago. I very much hope she is found, but I very much doubt that she will be. And I’m absolutely certain that the latest anniversary publicity blitz will do nothing to help any of us - Kate, Gerry, the viewers - find anything about “Maddy”, one way or the other. Perhaps another dippy tourist will see some toddler in Chiang Mai or Torremolinos or Constanta and hysterically contact the media.

Kate and Gerry will be there to express hope and reiterate the point that they know they let her down by having a meal 100 metres away when they, or someone, should have been in rather closer contact.

The weird thing is the way the story has taken on a life of its own, with Madeleine as a terribly absent onlooker, almost incidental to the whole charade.
Ook uit The Times: ‘Pray like mad,’ begs tearful Kate McCann Toch wat zorgerlijk, nou weet ik opeens ook hoe die supporting lunatics van HTFM zijn ontstaan, pfffff. En Joana Morais vergelijkt dt Britse en Portugese pers in dit artikel: McCanns: The Uk Media Versus The Portuguese Media Game En dan een artikel op de site van Nigel, vertaling/translation Joana Morais:
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Tapas cook breaks silence about the McCanns[quote]Tapas Cook Video Translation

[Inside SIC Studio] > Filmpje, Portugees: Tapas Cook Breaks Silence and talks about the McCanns Meer op dit forum, the 3arguido's

Journalist on Studio: And tomorrow, 3rd of May marks a year since Madeleine McCann disappeared. There in Praia da Luz, Maria João [name of the other Journalist], good evening, is there any ceremonial service predicted?

[Cut to journalist on location]

Maria João: Here, in the Ocean Club, no, nothing is going to happen here to mark the date, just a mass that will be done tomorrow at 18:30pm in the church of Luz. A bilingual mass which is going to mark one year since the disappearance of Maddie. In relation to the process, there are no new developments expected for the next few days. Only in the 15th the Judge of Criminal Instruction from Portimão’s Court is going to reassess if the process continues or not under Secrecy of Justice. It’s very likely that the process continues like in the last year. Who broke the silence, while we're on the subject, were the Portuguese employees from the Tapas Bar, the restaurant where the couple McCann had dinner in the night of Maddie's disappearance. Those 8 Portuguese employees didn't see their contracts renewed this year. They were obliged in the last 12 months to be silent, forbidden to talk with journalists. Since their contracts were not renewed they decided to talk. SIC has spoken with the cook.

[Cut to medium shot of 2 people behind a tree]

Voice over Introduction: She doesn't 'show' her face but a year later and without working in the Ocean Club, Manuela decided that she wasn’t obliged to the silence anymore. The cook [chef] who prepared a 'Robalo' [Snook fish/ Sargeant fish] with cuscus [signature dish of the Arab world] and the pepper steak meal the McCanns had for dinner on the night Maddie disappeared was in the griller area 3 metres away from the table of the couple.

[Shot of interior of the Ocean Club, focus on the Tapas Bar]

Manuela, the cook: They had already eaten the main course, [Cut to blurry image of a woman’s face, with a strong southern accent from Algarve], because it was already around 9:30pm when she gave the alarm.

Voice over: This former employee from the Tapas tells that immediately various colleagues left their work posts to help the searches. Meanwhile, in the hours that followed, during most of the time the McCanns stayed inside the apartment.

Manuela: My colleagues were indignant [angered/offended], because they went… One of them even had his feet all red, tired… and he was offended because he went to search though he wasn't anything related to the girl, and the parents didn't. [Cut to apartment] They stayed indoors, in the apartment.

[Various shots around the Ocean Club, archive footage of Police and Media]

Voice Over: A year ago, suddenly everything changed in the Ocean Club. The quiet resort, ideal for family holidays, was invaded by police and journalists.

Manuela: The Ocean Club, the Tapas turned into pandemonium [chaos]. No one could get out, no one could get in. Even if we were married, our husbands couldn't get in, neither our friends. Everything was surrounded… The security officers didn't know the employees. They thought the employees were journalists. In the beginning everything was really complicated.

Voice Over: The Judiciary went in a full scale operation to Praia da Luz. For more than a month the investigators created a kind of headquarters in one of the apartments of the Ocean Club. All the employees from the resort were heard.

Manuela: They all went in two… in two hours by two hours, two [referring to the number of people –in pairs], during sometime. Close to a month. We were almost 200 employees.

Voice Over: Manuela remembers seeing Madeleine sometimes.

Manuela: When the Parents would put her at the crèche, in the babysitters, the kitchen was next to it.

Journalist on location: How was Madeleine’s routine during those holidays? When she entered there, in the Ocean Club?

Manuela: She got in, was delivered to the babysitters. The babysitters would do a class; they would do a group course with the girls. Between 4pm and 4:30pm they had something to eat. In the morning they had a fruit lunch [breakfast?]… And then the parents would come to pick them up at 5 o’clock in the afternoon.

Journalist: In the middle of all those children do you remember Maddie?

Manuela: Because she entered there, she would wave goodbye, or say hello…She was really nice [lovely/polite]. She was always smiling.

Voice Over: After the disappearance of the girl, several family members of Kate and Gerry came to the Algarve.

Manuela: I remember that the family members instead of being worried with the family, would go to the pool, rented the tennis court, played tennis… Instead of being worried about the child that had disappeared!

Voice Over: The majority of the employees who were in the Tapas in the night of the Maddie’s disappearance have already left the resort.

Manuela: The contract ended and they sent us to unemployment.

Journalist: All the team that was in the Tapas that night?

Manuela: All the team that was there in that night.

Voice Over: After the disappearance of Maddie, the McCanns stayed in the Ocean Club for 65 days more. In July they moved to a house in the outskirts, away from the journalists eyes. It was there that they stayed until the 9 of September, the day that they went back to England.
Ik weet niet wat ik ervan moet denken maar een beetje tegenslur moet kunnen.... By the way, docu gisteren op SBS6 was gewoon een verknipte HH van die docu op de BBC vorig jaar, wat een flutzender is het toch...!

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  maandag 5 mei 2008 @ 11:21:37 #187
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Op zondag 4 mei 2008 13:54 schreef Suko het volgende:

Tuurlijk is dit terecht een well spoken comment, ondanks dattie door een rivaal als een nutter wordt omschreven, who cares anyway...
Vond ik ook, maar je had toch het een en ander gevonden over een vete tussen hem en een andere conspiracy nutter? Was echt plaatsvervangende schaamte dat gedoe.
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En columnist, Rod Liddle van The Times schrijft ook van zich af:
Goed, men houd zich niet meer in dus, ik denk dat Clarrie binnenkort wel weer een sob-story uit zijn hoge hoed haalt als tegenwicht.
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Ook uit The Times: Pray like mad,’ begs tearful Kate McCann Toch wat zorgerlijk, nou weet ik opeens ook hoe die supporting lunatics van HTFM zijn ontstaan, pfffff. En Joana Morais vergelijkt dt Britse en Portugese pers in dit artikel: McCanns: The Uk Media Versus The Portuguese Media Game En dan een artikel op de site van Nigel, vertaling/translation Joana Morais:
Die hebben dat iets te letterlijk genomen idd.
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Ik weet niet wat ik ervan moet denken maar een beetje tegenslur moet kunnen.... By the way, docu gisteren op SBS6 was gewoon een verknipte HH van die docu op de BBC vorig jaar, wat een flutzender is het toch...!
My thoughts exactly, tenenkrommend.

Uit het rondje Anorak:
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THE HERALD: “British children taken into custody in Portugal as parents too drunk”

Hotel staff in Vilamoura, in the Algarve, called police after Eamon McGuckin, 34, and his wife Antoinette, 32, collapsed while on holiday on Friday night. The couple, believed to be from Magherafelt, Northern Ireland, were taken to a health centre in nearby Loule while their children, one-year-old Adam, two-year-old Amy and Aaron, six, were taken to the Refugio Aboim Ascensao children’s home in Faro.

Allegedly, of course. It’s shocking. And worse:

The incident happened on the eve of the first anniversary of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, who went missing from her family’s Algarve holiday flat while her parents dined nearby.

DAILY MAIL: “Three British children taken into care after parents ‘drank themselves into a stupor’ on Algarve holiday”

The manager of the Mourabel hotel in Vilamoura, where the family were staying, said: “Fortunately the children were safe - otherwise it might have been not one Maddie, but three Maddies.”
Goede zaak, er wordt nu blijkbaar wel beter opgelet.

http://www.anorak.co.uk/tabloids/183603.html
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Hoi Kahaarin. Ja, ik las dat vanmorgen ook. Kids zijn wel weer terug bij de ouders maar het is natuurlijk op z'n minst heel bedenkelijk. Valt me trouwens al een tijdje op hoeveel Engelsen naar de fles grijpen als je wat tv-series bekijkt of docu's. Naast de gebruikelijke cup of tea staat er altijd wel een fles van het een ander binnen handbereik. Zal wel mede komen door die pub-cultuur, ook tijdens de luchbreaks en na het avondmaal. Ik heb wel verhalen gelezen dat de McCanns en hun Tapasvriendjes best wel veel dronken, voor, tijdens en na het eten, bier en cocktails. En dat naast de huiswijn die bij de prijs was inbegrepen. Dit artikel op de site van Joana Marais vond ik intrigerend, komt oorspronkelijk uit de Daily Express maar is natuurlijk nu 'missing':
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20/12/07
The waiter’s testimony

WITNESS GOES ON THE RUN ‘TO PROTECT HIS EVIDENCE’

THE key witness in the missing Madeleine McCann case was in hiding last night after fleeing Portugal. Police have sworn the waiter to secrecy over his vital testimony and know where he is. But friends say he is terrified his identity is about to be revealed and that he will come under pressure from rival factions in the case. He is scared of British and Portuguese government influence in the probe. Friends claim he is also wary of the team of private eyes hired by Kate and Gerry McCann to help find their daughter. MADELEINE McCann’s disappearance could only be the fault of her parents or a family friend, it was claimed yesterday.

MCCANNS OR A FRIEND MUST BE TO BLAME

A crucial eyewitness accuses the McCanns of being irresponsible parents.

The waiter who served them on that fateful night says he cannot understand why they did not use the resort’s £10-a-night babysitting service. He even goes on to claim that he told police: “I did not think she had been taken by an abductor. “I told them it had to be one of the family or a friend. It had to be someone close.” Jose Batista, 45, broke almost six months of silence to give the most detailed account yet of the McCanns’ holiday and the build-up to Madeleine’s disappearance. Mr Batista, who served the McCanns and their friends at the tapas restaurant where they were dining on the night Madeleine disappeared, says they could not have seen their apartment from their table, as they have claimed. He also says he was surprised that they apparently made a special arrangement with staff so that they could leave their children alone on four consecutive nights to eat at the tapas bar near their apartments in the Ocean Club complex in Praia da Luz with their friends, dubbed the Tapas Nine.

“The group did check on their children regularly,” he told the Daily Express. “I know that because I often took food to the table and found one of them was not there. “I would take it back to the kitchen to heat it up. But it was always the men who went to check, never the women. “The only time I can remember Kate McCann leaving the table was the night that the little girl disappeared. “It didn’t really mean anything at the time, but after all that happened I did begin to think that it was slightly strange. Why had Kate suddenly gone to check on the children that time, when she never had before?” Mr Batista said that it was his testimony in four hours of interviews with Portuguese detectives that led to officers questioning why it was part-time GP Kate, 39, who discovered her daughter had vanished and raised the alarm.

The waiter said the McCanns and their friends had approached the resort manager to ask if they could eat at the tapas bar rather than the main restaurant as they had on the first two nights of their holiday. The parents had complained that their children were staying out past their bedtimes when they ate at the main restaurant and were becoming tired and fractious. He said Mark Warner managers apparently agreed and a table was set for the group at the tapas bar. It was nearer to their apartments than the main restaurant and the group felt comfortable leaving their children unattended. For four consecutive evenings the McCanns and their seven friends left their children alone for periods of a few minutes as they drank beer and cocktails and up to 10 bottles of wine between them. But their decision ended in tragedy when Madeleine vanished from the McCanns’ apartment on May 3. Mr Batista’s revelations come as Portuguese police announced that Kate and Gerry’s friends are to face new questioning.

Mr Batista said it was impossible to see the McCanns’ ground-floor apartment from the restaurant despite it being less than 100 yards away. He said: “They left their children alone. If I was in their position I certainly wouldn’t have done that. “If they’ve got money why didn’t they get the cash together to get one nanny to look after all the children in one apartment? It is not right to say you can see their apartment from the restaurant. All you can see is the first floor upwards.” He added: “A few days after Madeleine disappeared I gave a very detailed statement to police like all the other staff. “I told them I did not think she had been taken by an abductor. It would not have been possible to be watching their apartment. “During the evening the streets are quite deserted in that area. I told them it had to be one of the family or a friend. It had to be someone close.” (...)Mr Batista said he was working in the poolside restaurant every night of the McCanns’ holiday.

He said: “They were very classy people. Compared with some of the people we get, they were very polite and quiet. They dressed well and didn’t make a mess or put their feet on chairs, anything like that. “If they hadn’t been such a big group I probably wouldn’t have noticed them at all.” Describing their evening routine he said: “It was always the whole group that went to dinner. “They always ate here, always at the same time and it was always the whole group – four couples and an older woman. “The package they were on included their dinner in the evening, and free wine to go with the meal until dessert is served. “You often get people who keep screaming for more wine or are stupid about the rules, trying to drink as much as possible because it’s free. But the McCanns and their friends were very sensible about it. “Sometimes they would start off with the men having a beer while the women would drink cocktails. It’s been reported that they had 14 bottles of wine a night but I was serving them and I know it was usually between eight and 10. “Afterwards they would mostly just have a coffee or sit around chatting rather than order more alcohol.”

He added: “The group always came around 8pm, arrived within five minutes of each other and ordered their dinner, and they always left together as a group between 10.30pm and 11pm.” Mr Batista described in detail for the first time the events that unfolded the night Madeleine disappeared. He said he was one of four waiting staff on duty during a busy period. Mr Batista said: “I had seen them with the kids by the pool during the day. It was a normal night.

They came at more or less the same time they always arrived. “The adults were obviously enjoying some quiet time, and I realised they were taking it in turns to check on the children. “I remember the men going off to check the children about every 20 minutes.” But around 10pm chaos erupted after Kate returned to the table to alert the group that Madeleine had vanished. Mr Batista said: “It all became madness. We were beginning to wind down at the restaurant and I had been clearing some tables. “I went into the kitchen for a few minutes and when I came out I saw that the McCanns’ table was empty except for the older woman. She looked scared.

“Then I heard all the shouting and screaming coming from the apartments and my colleague told me a child had gone missing.“After that it was chaos. People were running around the resort shouting for Madeleine and we all started to help looking for her.“My partner and I were both trying to help out. We took our cars out and searched for her. There was nothing organised.”
Of het allemaal letterlijk zo weet ik niet maar de zinnen tussen aanhalingstekens zijn door hem verteld, de rest kan mogelijk zijn ingevuld zoals Tabloids wel meer doen. Om iets af te zwakken of erger te maken.

Anyway, Murat, volgens Sky News, wil zeker meewerken qua reconstrucite, nou de McCanns nog: "Gerry and Kate McCann - who are still considered suspects, or 'aguidos' in the case - have not ruled out a return to Portugal. But the two doctors say they are worried about how helpful it would be for the police investigation given the huge media interest in the story. "It is under discussion. It is back to what additional information will help the search," Mr McCann added." En dat Kate het niet aan kan, zo vertelden ze onlangs op de BBC... Maar goed, Portugal wil dat ze komen: "Kate and Gerry McCann have been urged by Portugal's most senior detective to take part in a reconstruction of what happened on the night of their daughter's disappearance." Maar ook hier een smoes om niet komen: "The McCanns have said that they were considering the request but were concerned about taking part while they were still classified as official suspects." En nogmaals een oproep van Gerry McCann: ""Because the police won’t tell us this, we have been forced to compile all the evidence again ourselves. We are begging all witnesses to come forward, even if they have already spoken to police." Wat een foute man toch...dat mag helemaal niet, foei! The Times En verder veel geblaat in de kranten...

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  maandag 5 mei 2008 @ 13:48:01 #189
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Hey Suko en de rest.
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Op maandag 5 mei 2008 12:57 schreef Suko het volgende:
Hoi Kahaarin. Ja, ik las dat vanmorgen ook. Kids zijn wel weer terug bij de ouders maar het is natuurlijk op z'n minst heel bedenkelijk. Valt me trouwens al een tijdje op hoeveel Engelsen naar de fles grijpen als je wat tv-series bekijkt of docu's. Naast de gebruikelijke cup of tea staat er altijd wel een fles van het een ander binnen handbereik. Zal wel mede komen door die pub-cultuur, ook tijdens de luchbreaks en na het avondmaal. Ik heb wel verhalen gelezen dat de McCanns en hun Tapasvriendjes best wel veel dronken, voor, tijdens en na het eten, bier en cocktails. En dat naast de huiswijn die bij de prijs was inbegrepen. Dit artikel op de site van Joana Marais vond ik intrigerend, komt oorspronkelijk uit de Daily Express maar is natuurlijk nu 'missing':
Het is daar idd redelijk gebruikelijk om bij de lunch al bier te drinken, maar ja 's lands wijs 's lands eer zullen we maar zeggen. Veel drinken is natuurlijk subjectief, als ze het gewend zijn dan is het natuurlijk zo dat ze er minder last van hebbe dan wanneer iemand die nooit drinkt een dergelijke hoeveelheid consumeert.
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Of het allemaal letterlijk zo weet ik niet maar de zinnen tussen aanhalingstekens zijn door hem verteld, de rest kan mogelijk zijn ingevuld zoals Tabloids wel meer doen. Om iets af te zwakken of erger te maken.
Tja, in alle artikelen en roddels en weet ik veel wat weet ik niet zo goed wat ik hier van moet zeggen, het is natuurlijk goed mogelijk dat er iemand het groepje in de gaten hield en een ander Maddy heeft meegenomen, net wat die ober zegt, het app was niet te zien vanaf het restaurant.
Als iemand de tapas9 in de gaten hield en zijn cornuit een berichtje stuurde toen de kust veilig was is dat ook heel goed mogelijk, je moet niet vergeten dat het donker was, niemand kan beweren dat het niet mogelijk is, de deur was niet op slot dus inbreken was niet nodig, ik kan me niet voorstellen dat 1 van de tapasgang Maddy zou meenemen, maar goed daar verschillen we van mening over, geeft niets, moet kunnen.
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Anyway, Murat, volgens Sky News, wil zeker meewerken qua reconstrucite, nou de McCanns nog: "Gerry and Kate McCann - who are still considered suspects, or 'aguidos' in the case - have not ruled out a return to Portugal. But the two doctors say they are worried about how helpful it would be for the police investigation given the huge media interest in the story. "It is under discussion. It is back to what additional information will help the search," Mr McCann added." En dat Kate het niet aan kan, zo vertelden ze onlangs op de BBC... Maar goed, Portugal wil dat ze komen: "Kate and Gerry McCann have been urged by Portugal's most senior detective to take part in a reconstruction of what happened on the night of their daughter's disappearance." Maar ook hier een smoes om niet komen: "The McCanns have said that they were considering the request but were concerned about taking part while they were still classified as official suspects." En nogmaals een oproep van Gerry McCann: ""Because the police won’t tell us this, we have been forced to compile all the evidence again ourselves. We are begging all witnesses to come forward, even if they have already spoken to police." Wat een foute man toch...dat mag helemaal niet, foei! The Times En verder veel geblaat in de kranten...
Hier heb ik het toevallig gisteravond over gehad met mijn wederhelft, we begrijpen het niet, als je kind zoek is dan denk je niet aan jezelf, dan doe je alles om te politie ter wille te zijn en je probeert alles om duidelijkheid te scheppen, alles, dan ga je niet zeuren over je arguido status of het feit dat er geen camera's van een crimewatch programma bij mogen zijn, de frase schone konten is ook over tafel gekomen, ze weten dat er iets scheef zit, daarom doen ze lastig, als wij nu eens zouden weten wat en ze daar eerlijk over zijn dan zou ik het misschien snappen. Nu blijft er iets knagen, mijn dacht dat er misschien wel losgeld was geeist en dat daarom de kranten betaald hebben bij die schikking, dat weet ik zo net nog niet, maar het zou wel kunnen, hij zit niet echt in de materie, ik heb hem gisteren een beetje uitgelegd wat er allemaal precies aan de hand is, toen kwam hij hier dus mee. Een frisse blik, mischien zit er iets in, dan zouden Metodo3 dus de onderhandelingen voeren en het Maddy fund gebruikt worden om losgeld te betalen, we zullen zien.
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  maandag 5 mei 2008 @ 13:51:58 #190
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En dan dit, ik weet het niet, het grote indekken en toedekken lijkt begonnen:
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No shame in not finding Madeleine McCann, Portuguese law chief says
May 5 2008 By Sam Marsden

PORTUGAL'S law chief yesterday claimed there was "no shame" in cops failing to solve the Madeleine McCann mystery.

Attorney-general Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro's comments appeared to pave the way for the year-old hunt for the missing four-year-old to be wound down.

In a newspaper interview, Monteiro defended the police inquiry team, pointing out that only one in five missing child cases worldwide is solved.

He said: "These kinds of crimes are extremely difficult. There are one million missing children per year throughout the world and not even 20 per cent are found."

Monteiro also hinted the police case files could remain secret for longer than expected.

Legal sources have suggested the official period of judicial secrecy - which runs out on May 15 - is likely to be extended.

Monteiro said: "We will analyse the state of the case and see whether it is necessary or not to request an extension."

He denied that the Madeleine case had become politicised, but said: "We have already spoken too much about Maddie."

His comments followed reports suggesting the inquiry had stalled and that no charges would be brought.

The Portuguese weekly Expresso said on Friday the police were preparing to exonerate Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, who remain formal suspects.

But yesterday, as Glasgow-born hospital consultant Gerry revealed they planned to slip out of the spotlight following the year's anniversary of her disappearance, a senior detective called on them to return to the Algarve to assist the inquiry.

Alipio Ribeiro, national director of the Policia Judiciaria, was apparently referring to a proposed reconstruction of the night Madeleine went missing, including all the key witnesses.

The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said last night: "If they are close to closing the case, we still want them to keep searching for Madeleine
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http://www.dailyrecord.co(...)says-86908-20405705/

En dan dus toch weer het laatste woord voor Clarrie, alsof ze wat te eisen hebben.......
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Inderdaad Kahaarin, ze hebben niks te eisen en wat die stilte betreft. Sky News meldt: "The couple believe the coverage is "unsustainable" and hope the attention will fade after Madeleine's fifth birthday on May 12." Hij (Gerry) even suggested that it might have led to Portuguese police naming him and his wife as arguidos, or formal suspects, in the case in early September."You look at where it's led for us, the problems it's created," he said."

Hoe krijgtie 't uit de bek want vanaf het begin was en is volgens mij nog steeds de opdracht, keeping Madeleine on the frontpages...dat heb ik tig keer gelezen van henzelf en uit hun omgeving, en nu is de publiciteit de schuld van hun arguido-status...ach ach, die komende stilte zal wel eens een andere betekenis kunnen hebben.

Anyway, Charlotte (van Cutting through the rubbish) merkt terecht op wat betreft die stilte:
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"Team McCann have spent enormous time and energy on counterclaiming claims, persuading the public towards an abduction theory and claiming that the Portuguese police are bumbling, all of which has focused the public’s attention on Kate and Gerry McCann, but perhaps not in the favourable light they had hoped for.But if it is true that they want to slip out of the public spotlight, I wonder what impact their silence will have on the internet. Will there be a ‘need’ for blogs and forums that have been driven by an urge to balance what has appeared to be a rather one-sided case? “Cutting through the Rubbish” will possibly die a death if there is nothing to write about."
Overigens kan dat een interessante theorie zijn van jouw wederhelft:
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dat er misschien wel losgeld was geeist en dat daarom de kranten betaald hebben bij die schikking, dat weet ik zo net nog niet, maar het zou wel kunnen, hij zit niet echt in de materie, ik heb hem gisteren een beetje uitgelegd wat er allemaal precies aan de hand is, toen kwam hij hier dus mee. Een frisse blik, mischien zit er iets in, dan zouden Metodo3 dus de onderhandelingen voeren en het Maddy fund gebruikt worden om losgeld te betalen, we zullen zien.
Heb het wel vaker gelezen, naast andere ook zeer plausibele theorieën. Maar een ontvoering...(met een week was al een website klaar/lintjes besteld/naam geregistreerd e.d. en met 10 dagen online), waarom dan dat oog van Madeleine (ge)misbruiken terwijl dat door de Portugese politie met klem is afgeraden, het betekende een zekere doodvonnis, maar Gerry zei in Vanity Fair, oktober 2007:
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"Although initially reluctant, the McCanns finally informed the media of Madeleine’s unique right eye—a risky revelation. Whoever had taken the child now held a universally recognizable little girl. Gerry understood that. But, he says, the iris “is Madeleine’s only true distinctive feature. Certainly we thought it was possible that this could potentially hurt her or”—he grimaces—“her abductor might do something to her eye.… But in terms of marketing, it was a good ploy.”
Maar Kahaarin, de zaak is zo bizar dat het logisch is dat velen hierover gedachtengangen hebben, álles is mogelijk, en wie ben ik om de waarheid in pacht te hebben, ha ha, no way, dan was ik trouwens al stinkend rijk geworden!

(Overigens zijn de 3 kids van die Britse zuipende ouders in de Algarve toch 'in care.' "A County Londonderry couple on holiday in Portugal have had their three young children temporarily taken into care." BBC)

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  dinsdag 6 mei 2008 @ 13:36:23 #192
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Op maandag 5 mei 2008 20:00 schreef Suko het volgende:
Inderdaad Kahaarin, ze hebben niks te eisen en wat die stilte betreft. Sky News meldt: "The couple believe the coverage is "unsustainable" and hope the attention will fade after Madeleine's fifth birthday on May 12." Hij (Gerry) even suggested that it might have led to Portuguese police naming him and his wife as arguidos, or formal suspects, in the case in early September."You look at where it's led for us, the problems it's created," he said."

Hoe krijgtie 't uit de bek want vanaf het begin was en is volgens mij nog steeds de opdracht, keeping Madeleine on the frontpages...dat heb ik tig keer gelezen van henzelf en uit hun omgeving, en nu is de publiciteit de schuld van hun arguido-status...ach ach, die komende stilte zal wel eens een andere betekenis kunnen hebben.
Ik heb al vaker gadacht dat ze niet wisten wat ze nu wilden, wel media-aandacht/geen media-aandacht, wel samenwerken met de PJ/niet samenwerken met de PJ, wel andere kinderen betrekken/diezelfde families als een baksteen laten vallen, zal ook wel komen omdat ze arguido zijn Suko.
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Overigens kan dat een interessante theorie zijn van jouw wederhelft:

Heb het wel vaker gelezen, naast andere ook zeer plausibele theorieën. Maar een ontvoering...(met een week was al een website klaar/lintjes besteld/naam geregistreerd e.d. en met 10 dagen online), waarom dan dat oog van Madeleine (ge)misbruiken terwijl dat door de Portugese politie met klem is afgeraden, het betekende een zekere doodvonnis.
Dat klopt wel, maar dat was zijn reactie toen ik het hem een beetje summier had uitgelegd, ik ben nu zo ver dat wat mij betreft alles mogelijk is, aliens, een boeman, poltergeisten, etc.
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Maar Kahaarin, de zaak is zo bizar dat het logisch is dat velen hierover gedachtengangen hebben, álles is mogelijk, en wie ben ik om de waarheid in pacht te hebben, ha ha, no way, dan was ik trouwens al stinkend rijk geworden!
Psies, dat proberer ik me ook voor te houden, het spreekwoord zegt dat er niets zo vreemd is als de waarheid, ik denk en hoop dat we er ooit nog wel een keer achter komen.
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(Overigens zijn de 3 kids van die Britse zuipende ouders in de Algarve toch 'in care.' "A County Londonderry couple on holiday in Portugal have had their three young children temporarily taken into care." BBC)
Hierover ook in het rondje Anorak van vandaag:
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Madeleine McCann: The McGuckins, Middle-Class Drinks And
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann

DAILY MIRROR: “Portugal booze parents’ court fear”

It’s Eamon and Antoinette McGuckin.

Bank manager Eamon, 35, passed out in the hotel reception while Antoinette, 36, vomited before falling unconscious.

A source close to the family said last night: “They are very ashamed. They want to go to court. They want to say to the judge that the children are safe with them.”

Significant:

Vilamoura is 45 miles from Praia da Luz, where four-year-old Madeleine McCann went missing while her parents were out with friends a year ago.

DAILY MAIL: “Shamed: The middle class parents who got so drunk on holiday their three children were taken into care”

Middle-class drinkers. Who knew of such a thing?

Mr McGuckin used to be manager of the Magherafelt branch of the Ulster Bank, a spokesman said. He left 18 months ago and is understood to now work for a mortgage company. His wife is a full-time mother.

British parents:

The incident has caused outrage in Portugal, where the year-long investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has already raised questions over standards of British parenting.

BELFAST NEWSLETTER: “Couple ‘will face NI social services’”

THE parents of three children taken into care because they apparently got so drunk on holiday they both passed out are likely to face a grilling by social services when they get home from Portugal.With the parallels to the tragic Madeleine McCann case already drawn, the case comes after Portuguese police faced great criticism over their handling of the missing four-year-old English girl.

The parents were said to have been lucky it wasn’t a case of “one Maddie but three Maddies”.

THE INDEPENDENT: “Holiday parents to appear before judge”

Mrs McGuckin has said she drank only three beers and has requested details of hospital blood tests because she was “very surprised” at her reaction, the source said.

The source added: “They were tired, they woke up at around 4am (to travel to Portugal), then there was the flight.

“Then it was too hot - they are very red, they got a lot of sun. All this together could be the reason.”

Drugged?

The incident happened just 45 miles from Praia da Luz, where Madeleine McCann went missing from her family’s holiday apartment while her parents dined nearby.

THE SUN: “’Quiz kid killer on Maddie’”

Relatives of five-year-old Mari Luz Cortes claim convicted paedophile Santiago del Valle has committed other crimes. Her grandfather Juan Cortes said: “The authorities should investigate him fully because that way they may be able to discover what happened to Madeleine. We are sure he is hiding other secrets from the police.”

MANCHESTER EVENING NEWS: “Man with a special Power”

It’s Joe Power.

If a medium is claiming knowledge of such a case, there is only one logical conclusion about Madeleine’s fate, I venture. But no, Power says his information does come from beyond the grave but ‘from relatives, from Madeleine’s family and people who work closely with me in the spirit world, spirit guides, that type of thing’.

He believes five people were connected with the disappearance of Madeleine. He says he passed his information on to police in Portugal early in the investigation.

How do you work Madeleine McCann into a news story?
http://www.anorak.co.uk/tabloids/183633.htmls
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  dinsdag 6 mei 2008 @ 13:52:15 #193
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Ow, gossie, lezen is ook een vak apart.
Er stond gisteren dat de secrecy nog wel eens een keer verlengd kon worden en nu komt er uit de pen van Clarrie het volgende....
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MCCANNS HOPING TO BE CLEARED

10:30 - 06 May 2008

Parents of missing Madeleine McCann hope speculation that Portuguese police are set to shelve their investigation will see the couple soon cleared.

Comments by Portugal's attorney-general, Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro, have been interpreted as preparing the way for the investigation into the disappearance of the Rothley toddler to be shelved - a year after she vanished from the holiday apartment, on May 3, 2007.


He told the newspaper Jornal de Noticias: "(If the investigation) results in failure, it is nothing which should shame the police...

"These kinds of crimes are extremely difficult to investigate."

Legal sources have suggested the official period of judicial secrecy in the investigation - which runs out on May 15 - is likely to be extended for three months until mid-August.

Mr Monteiro said: "(At that time) we will analyse the state of the case and see whether it is necessary or not to request an extension."

Gerry and Kate McCann's official spokesman Clarence Mitchell said they would welcome the end of the investigation if it meant the parents being cleared.

However, he said Portuguese police should not stop searching for the missing child.

He said: "If the attorney-general's comments are some sort of precursor to Gerry and Kate being eliminated from the enquiry and their arguido status being lifted, clearly we welcome them.

"We hope the attorney-general's comments will be followed by swift action.

"If, however, they are close to closing the case, we still want them to keep searching for Madeleine."
http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=132935&command=displayContent&sourceNode=132702&contentPK=20554623&folderPk=77465&pNodeId=132393
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Ah ja, die was ik nog vergeten...aliens, een boeman, poltergeisten, etc... Wat dat dronken Britse stel betreft, de kids mochten weer terug naar paps en mams, een plaatselijke rechtbank zou bepalen wát er verder moest gebeuren, maar het laatste nieuws (BBC) is dat ze dat niet hebben afgewacht en een McCann hebben gedaan...dwz, gevlucht naar de Uk! Ik denk dat in de UK men over het algemeen wel denkt dat de McCanns aan de zuip waren en bang dat de McCanns hun kids zouden worden afgenomen, naast dat ze formeel verdachten werden. Overigens staat de Britse pers vol van dit gebeuren zoals je aangeeft Kahaarin in het artikel van Anorak, ook op radio en tv/internet. Het is wel zo dat Engeland in Europa de nummer 1 is wat drank betreft. Maar vooral in een warm land, moe van de buitenland e.d komt een neut dubbel aan. Vanmorgen op BBC's Breakfast merkte iemand scherp op dat er gewoon niet geboozed moet worden in een vreemd land terwijl je kids alleen zijn, "see what happend to Madeleine." Oeps!

Anyway, ja dat de McCanns gecleared zullen/willen worden lees ik al pakweg een half jaar...ha ha! Maar goed, er is nieuwe hoop voor de McCanns, BBC: "Natalie Horrell was five months old when she was taken from a Cardiff shopping centre. She was returned days later after a police inquiry and a woman was jailed." Maar wel 20 jaar geleden....geeft niks, áls de McCanns besluiten naar Praia da Luz te gaan wegens de reconstructie kunnen ze altijd nog vragen aan de politie of ze vrouwen met een kind hebben zien lopen. En zo kunnen de McCanns en hun team nog jaren vooruit, alle vermisten nagaan en maar linken aan Madeleine, maar dat had ik al ergens geschreven geloof ik...

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En verder blijft dit een interessant artikel (vertaling Li van het 3arguidoforum) uit de Jornal de Notícias - 3/5/2008
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The PJ waits for 9 months for the complete tests

A year after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and nine months after the collection of biological vestiges, the sophisticated and prestigious forensic lab of Birmingham, in England, did not send yet to the PJ the final reports of all the analysis. The JN found that is missing the complete examination to the hairs found in several places and that could help the complex investigation. The PJ was already informed informally that technically will not be possible to determine through DNA analysis if the hair samples belong to Maddie. This is due to fact that the hairs have no capillary tubes.

For this reason, it won't be possible to determine in scientific terms if the hairs found in the boot of the car hired by the McCanns and in the flat of the Ocean Club belong to Madeleine or to one of her brothers. The only data that is possible to obtain without capillary tube is the identification of the mother.

So, the toxicological tests to the same samples are also compromised, they could help to discover if the child took any products that accidentally could cause her death. This is one of the work hypothesis followed by the PJ although they continue to receive almost everyday clues about possible locations of Madeleine, the JN discovered. Some of the denounces are being transmitted by embassies spread all over the world.

Without the complete tests the PJ only has inconclusive data. The September's report of last year about the biological vestiges detected in the boot of the car was important to make the decision of constituting the parents arguidos. In the document, the experts explain that from the 20 "strands" (DNA parcels) detected in the fluids, 15 coincide with the genetic profile of Maddie. But in reality this result does not exclude the possibility that the vestige - that the English lab could not guarantee if it was blood since it was very dry - might belong to a relative of Maddie.

According to information collected by the JN this report was discussed between the Portuguese and British experts and the last ones raised some doubts about what they have written previously (this was the one that Kate and Gerry McCann refuse to reply when questioned).

Irish advances and backtracks

Apart from the results of the analysis made to the vestiges, the PJ has several depositions. An Irish that spent holidays with the family at Praia da Luz, in May last year, guaranteed to the PJ that he saw a man with a child in his lap in the night of 3rd of May. Later he said informally that that man seemed to be Gerry McCann.

This comment of the Smith's family appeared when they observed the images of the McCanns arriving in England at 9th of September. The way Gerry held Sean in his lap when he got out of the plane in the East Midlands airport and the clothes he was wearing, described in the first deposition, were useful to the witness "to clarify the ideas".

But when the PJ wanted to formalise that deposition the witness backtracked and revealed that he was not sure that the person he saw was Gerry. This deposition ended to give credibility to Jane Tanner's words, a friend of the couple, that guarantees having seen a man with a child in the night Madeleine disappeared.

The investigators opted to listen again the witnesses but decide that the depositions would be made through rogatory letters sent to the Leicester police. Before this step was fulfilled, in April, this family was contacted by detectives of Método 3. The JN discovered that since that contact the certainties of the Smiths ended.

Nonetheless the clue ended not to be solid since the British dogs did not detected any cadaver odor in Gerry's clothes contrary to what happened with Kate's clothes. The PJ continues to have many doubts about what really happened between 18,00 and 22,00 hours, when Kate alerted to the disappearance. Everything points to the fact that the reenactment will never happen due to the lack of will of the McCanns.
Eerder schreef de Daily Mail ook hierover, 3rd January 2008
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Metodo 3 are currently trying to re-interview an Irish family who said they saw a man carrying away a child on the night Madeleine disappeared. Martin Smith and his family-from Drogheda in Co. Louth, told police about the sighting - which is strikingly similar to one by a friend of the McCanns, Jane Tanner.

They described a barefoot child and a man wearing beige trousers walking towards the beach in Praia da Luz, about 400yards from the McCanns' holiday apartment. However, they said that the man was definitely not official suspect Robert Murat, whom they had met before and would have recognised." Mr Smith even flew back to Portugal to give evidence but said he had not been contacted by police since making a statement in May
En dan krijg je zomaar 'toevallig' het gevoel dat na het bezoekje van Metodo 3 aan de Smithjes in Ierland die verklaring van hen een andere wending neemt, in het voordeel van de McCanns....want ik vind het wel een forse stap van de PJ dat ze toen de Smithjes lieten overvliegen, Metodo 3 'interviewd' ze daarna en opeens is het maar een vaag verhaal.

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Almeida Rodrigues is the successor to Alípio Ribeiro in the Polícia Judiciária Publico 06 May 2008
(Thanks to 'beachy' from the3arguidos for translation)
Almeida Rodrigues is the successor of Alípio Ribeiro as director of the Policia Judiciaria. It is the first time that the PJ is led by a career investigator. Almeida Rodrigues, now in charge of the PJ in Coimbra, was named as national director, after Alípio Ribeiro today presented his resignation to Justice Minister Alberto Costa.

Jose Maria de Almeida Rodrigues, 49 years, degree in law, is coordinator of criminal investigation of the PJ and was one of three deputy directors at the national office of the former director Santos Cabral. The appointment of Almeida Rodrigues to direct the PJ has since been released by the communications office of the Ministry of Justice, where it is said that the Minister of Justice "has accepted the request for resignation which was delivered today by the national director of the PJ (Alípio Ribeiro)."

Almeida Rodrigues, along with Luis Neves, current head of the Central Directorate for Combating Banditismo (DCCB) in the PJ, was one of two names that, in recent hours, have been considered by the authorities as successors to Alípio Ribeiro, as a police source previously told Lusa.
En daar zijn de posters op het 3arguidoforum niet rouwig om, die waren altijd al boos als Ribeiro sommige uitspraken en acties van mensen uit/in het veld openbaar bekritiseerde. Ik weet er eigenlijk weinig van, wel dat de McCanns tevreden waren met Ribeiro, dat kan niet goed zijn, dus zijn we blij met de vervanging, toch?

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Ik plaats hier een open brief van blogster Joana Morais voor de lezer met gedachten die ik en anderen ook al eerder hebben gepost, het verwoord voor mij deels (sommige sentimenten herken ik niet maar dat geeft niks) het verhaal over een vermist kind en haar ouders, een beschouwing van een Portugese die IMO goed verwoord wat deze tragedie met Portugal en zijn bewoners heeft gedaan, wat voor een lange lange tijd verbonden zal zijn met een klein, mogelijk voor eeuwig vermiste peuter van nog geen 3jr, Madeleine McCann...
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Why is Madeleine an Obsession? - Open Letter to a Reader

I do understand your feelings. For a long time I even dreamt with this little girl, that picture broadcasted so many times was recurrent in my thoughts - her big eyes, biting her lip, so sweet and innocent - the images bombarded in the media brought to each one of us Madeleine, Maddie, Maddy, to our house, to our family, she was present in all the opening news and she won a place in the globalized society's heart and mind. And so did all the "characters" of this sordid affair.

In the beginning I thought it was strange the way the media was portraying the group of parents that stayed in the Tapas bar that night. The parents who left 3 children younger than 4 years old were almost sanctified in the British media and instead of seeing the McCanns questioned by journalists, what I saw was a pressure in the British media editorial guidelines to maintain the defence of the McCanns at all cost even if they had to defame and vilify others like Murat, Amaral, the Judiciary Portuguese Police... Even the remaining friends, the Tapas 7 were never questioned regarding their own selfish attitudes and neglect towards their own children - and that is very unusual in the British Press.

A few days later the McCanns were jogging, playing tennis, creating a media circus, calling high profile politics, diplomats, public relations, creating a trademark for a non-charitable fund, accusing the police of framing them...

I have seen the Mothers of other missing children, like the mother of Rui Pedro, and her eyes tell me the deep sadness and anguish she has endured for the last 10 years. Rui was 11 years old when he went missing on 4th March 1998, apparently he was kidnapped in to a paedophile ring. The boy's mother, Filomena at every opportunity and without a fund travelled to various places, even to see photographs with terrible pictures of boys being sodomized which appear to be similar to Rui. Filomena doesn't cry in public but her twisted facial expression shows an empty soul, her lifeless eyes express a pain and a despair that I only see in mothers in Africa who can't feed and see their children die, in mothers where war prevails and see their sons and daughters killed by guns and bombs - it's an intense emotional suffering and that grief transpires in all this Mothers actions, body language, eyes...

Then I watched the McCanns reading from a script their first statement/appeal to the Media - Where was the affliction, the calamity, the despair that should be there? It didn't seem genuine; images of parents in grief were strikingly different from the McCanns. Kate left the twins alone on the same night the alleged kidnapper took Madeleine, they left the twins in the crèche while campaigning and giving press conferences, they jogged, went to the pool, posed for the media in the beach as a couple in love, they left the twins again alone when they did a Periplus in Europe and in the United States, recent images in video show they laughing in the month Madeleine disappeared...

Even stranger, every time there was a possible sighting of Madeleine, they travelled in to a different place. Unlike Mr. Cortés, the Father of poor Mari Luz, who travelled to Naples, Italy to see an unidentified child though he had an appointment in Portugal with authorities to help the search for his daughter.

I will never forget how the McCanns used Mari Luz pictures without the Cortés family's permission.

In the following months what I saw was a selfish couple more interested in hiring high profile extradition and defence lawyers, hiring spokespersons, defending their image in the media, all calculated, all premeditated. Why?

I saw a spokesman inciting man hunts and using methods like some said "more like the police than the police"- hunts of Moroccan, Gypsy or Mediterranean looking men all based in sketches of witness that gave us the Egg Man, the Bundleman and after 9 months a George Harrison look a like.

I saw a Spanish Agency of detectives coming to Portugal and questioning people though it's illegal, some of those witnesses stated they felt harassed and feared the Metodo3 agents, the same detective that went to Morocco was arrested afterwards connected to narco traffick. Malinka's car was set on fire.... Gordon and Socrates had a meeting where they talked about this process... The Home Office delay in accepting the Rogatory Letter. The huge delay from the FSS Lab results...There are just to many odd and strange connections in this case.

The Portuguese Police was damaged politically since the first night of 3rd May, the Portuguese and Portugal were portrayed as a third world country were cops were corrupted, democracy didn't exist and the system of justice was worst than in North Korea (almost). Racism and open xenophobia was acceptable and some like Parsons, Heffer, expressed it with pure hate in the press while others like MEP Knapman and his assessor Piers Merchant or Timothy Dutton QC attacked and switched the case of a missing child into a 'us versus them' tactic of war, diplomatically and politically.

Owner's of media corporations played the case of a missing girl like a soap opera, an entertainment to be sold as news. Backing the biggest and dirtiest propaganda campaign in support of two persons suspected by the police of involvement in the disappearance of their child. Why?

I thought that I had a role to play, not only for Madeleine, so justice can be done, independently who the guilty ones may be but as well to to uphold for what is right and fair regarding my own country - Portugal.

For all the 'Madeleines' and the future parents of missing children who will be received with a more cynical eye by the police, general public and media either this case is solved or not.

For me and for what values and ethics were instilled in me by my parents and as a Free Portuguese Citizen born in April 1974- the year of the Carnation Revolution. These are some of the reasons to write this blog.

For Justice.
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  woensdag 7 mei 2008 @ 14:02:31 #197
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Op dinsdag 6 mei 2008 19:59 schreef Suko het volgende:
Ah ja, die was ik nog vergeten...aliens, een boeman, poltergeisten, etc... Wat dat dronken Britse stel betreft, de kids mochten weer terug naar paps en mams, een plaatselijke rechtbank zou bepalen wát er verder moest gebeuren, maar het laatste nieuws (BBC) is dat ze dat niet hebben afgewacht en een McCann hebben gedaan...dwz, gevlucht naar de Uk! Ik denk dat in de UK men over het algemeen wel denkt dat de McCanns aan de zuip waren en bang dat de McCanns hun kids zouden worden afgenomen, naast dat ze formeel verdachten werden. Overigens staat de Britse pers vol van dit gebeuren zoals je aangeeft Kahaarin in het artikel van Anorak, ook op radio en tv/internet. Het is wel zo dat Engeland in Europa de nummer 1 is wat drank betreft. Maar vooral in een warm land, moe van de buitenland e.d komt een neut dubbel aan. Vanmorgen op BBC's Breakfast merkte iemand scherp op dat er gewoon niet geboozed moet worden in een vreemd land terwijl je kids alleen zijn, "see what happend to Madeleine." Oeps!
Ach Suko (Middag@all trouwens ), als de McCanns er mee weg kunnen komen dan zij ook toch, gewoon terug naar huis en de hele zaak vergeten.
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Anyway, ja dat de McCanns gecleared zullen/willen worden lees ik al pakweg een half jaar...ha ha! Maar goed, er is nieuwe hoop voor de McCanns, BBC: "Natalie Horrell was five months old when she was taken from a Cardiff shopping centre. She was returned days later after a police inquiry and a woman was jailed." Maar wel 20 jaar geleden....geeft niks, áls de McCanns besluiten naar Praia da Luz te gaan wegens de reconstructie kunnen ze altijd nog vragen aan de politie of ze vrouwen met een kind hebben zien lopen. En zo kunnen de McCanns en hun team nog jaren vooruit, alle vermisten nagaan en maar linken aan Madeleine, maar dat had ik al ergens geschreven geloof ik...
Goh, al eerder geschreven, waar dan? Je hebt gelijk hoor, al dat gedoe over die reconstructie, schone konten zeg ik je, schone konten.
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Tja, same old, same old, zucht.
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En dan krijg je zomaar 'toevallig' het gevoel dat na het bezoekje van Metodo 3 aan de Smithjes in Ierland die verklaring van hen een andere wending neemt, in het voordeel van de McCanns....want ik vind het wel een forse stap van de PJ dat ze toen de Smithjes lieten overvliegen, Metodo 3 'interviewd' ze daarna en opeens is het maar een vaag verhaal.
In spin de boog ging in, uit spuit de verklaring uit.

Dat die chief is opgestapt vind ik overigens wel een goede zaak, als de McConns blij met hem waren dan heeft hij ze gewoon te veel hun zin gegeven, hij stond wrs onder te veel druk en heeft zich misschien wel iets te veel aan hun kant geschaard, dat pikt de PJ natuurlijk van geen kanten.

En verder is het stil aan het front, geen enkel bericht, hopelijk voor de storm, maar ook dat heb ik al eerder geschreven.
be nice or go away
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Op woensdag 7 mei 2008 14:02 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Goh, al eerder geschreven, waar dan? Je hebt gelijk hoor, al dat gedoe over die reconstructie, schone konten zeg ik je, schone konten.
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In spin de boog ging in, uit spuit de verklaring uit.

Dat die chief is opgestapt vind ik overigens wel een goede zaak, als de McConns blij met hem waren dan heeft hij ze gewoon te veel hun zin gegeven, hij stond wrs onder te veel druk en heeft zich misschien wel iets te veel aan hun kant geschaard, dat pikt de PJ natuurlijk van geen kanten.
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Hajo Kahaarin. Ha ha, altijd leuk jouw reacties/post te lezen. Nee geen echt nieuws. De BBC flikt het ook weer een aantal fouten te melden:
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"Alípio Ribeiro, the national director of the judicial police, reportedly told a local radio station he was "tired" of being in the media spotlight. He had made a number of public comments about Madeleine's disappearance, despite judicial secrecy laws. In February, he said police had been "hasty" in naming her parents."
Dat was alleen te snel gedaan omdat je als Arguido niets meer hoeft te zeggen en dus vluchten ze vlak na het 'vonnis' het land uit, de McCanns waren als getuigen meer bruikbaar geweest, maar ja, als ze de bek niet opendoen....En Madeleine was toen 3jr en geen 4jr zoals de BBC meldt. Als laatst zegt Mr Ribeiro: "On Tuesday, Mr Ribeiro reportedly told Radio Renascenca that he regretted "what he said as well what he failed to say" publicly about the investigation." Nou wát zou hij daar nou mee bedoelen....

En wie is dan die nieuwe national director of the judicial police, Almeida Rodrigues? Niet echt van heel groot belang maar het is de eerste niet-magistraat die deze functie gaat bekleden:
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An operational one to front the PJ SOL
Ana Paula Azevedo
07 May 2008 (Thanks to 'SS' from the3arguidos forum for translation)

Almeida Rodrigues is the first non-magistrate chosen to lead the Judicial Police. The successor of Alípio Ribeiro is currently the national deputy sub-director of PJ’s Coimbra Directorate.

It is not the first time he assumes a leadership role, as he was one of the three national deputy directors to Santos Cabral, the head of the PJ immediately before Alípio Ribeiro. José Maria de Almeida Rodrigues, 49 years old, has a university degree in law and has made his career as an investigator. Through his hands passed some very public murder cases.

When, in 2001, he was heading Aveiro's PJ, he was the one in charge of the investigation of Tó Jó, the young man who murdered his parents inspired by satanic rituals. With the resignation of Santos Cabral, Almeida Rodrigues worked as number 2 of Coimbra's PJ. In those functions, he dealt with another multiple murder case – the GNR corporal Antonio Costa.

This case – which was known as "the serial killer of Santa Comba Dão" ended in the conviction of the corporal for the murder of two young women. More recently, he was involved in the arrest of "El Solitario", the Spaniard accused of violent robberies to more than 30 banks which caused the death of 3 people.

The nomination of Almeida Rodrigues to head the PJ was announced through a communiqué of the Ministry of Justice where it is referred that the minister "accepted the resignation request handed today by the national director of the PJ, Alípio Ribeiro".

Almeida Rodrigues, with Luis Neves current head of the Direcção Central de Combate ao Banditismo (DCCB) (Central Directorate of Combat to Banditism) was one of the names that, in the last hours, were considered by the government to replace Alípio Ribeiro, as had been stated to Lusa by a police source.

Magistrates: never again?

His name is highly regarded within the PJ, being the first time that an 'operational' is nominated to the top Job, up to now it has always been headed by magistrates. There is great expectation in the PJ as to who will be his deputies. The nomination of magistrates is dependent on the approval of the Judiciary and Public Ministry Superior Councils.

There is some speculation that these Councils may not accept that a judge or magistrate work under the orders of a career police officer. If that would be the case, it could be the end of the magistrates in the top echelons of the PJ. Only in 2001 a change in the law allowed for the possibility of a non-magistrate heading the PJ. With Almeida Rodrigues, it is the first time such a possibility is actually taken. Bron
Een man vanuit het veld, zak maar zeggen, acht weten we veel, als de gewone cop er blij mee is, wat zullen wij dan oordelen. Good luck...Almeida Rodrigues zal het nodig hebben!

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  woensdag 7 mei 2008 @ 18:05:55 #199
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Op woensdag 7 mei 2008 17:44 schreef Suko het volgende:

Hajo Kahaarin. Ha ha, altijd leuk jouw reacties/post te lezen. Nee geen echt nieuws. De BBC flikt het ook weer een aantal fouten te melden:
Hey Suko, jouw reacties lezen vind ik ook leuk hoor, een beetje meer inbreng van derden zou ook leuk zijn, we zijn het tenslotte bijna aldoor eens met elkaar.
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Dat was alleen te snel gedaan omdat je als Arguido niets meer hoeft te zeggen en dus vluchten ze vlak na het 'vonnis' het land uit, de McCanns waren als getuigen meer bruikbaar geweest, maar ja, als ze de bek niet opendoen....En Madeleine was toen 3jr en geen 4jr zoals de BBC meldt. Als laatst zegt Mr Ribeiro: "On Tuesday, Mr Ribeiro reportedly told Radio Renascenca that he regretted "what he said as well what he failed to say" publicly about the investigation." Nou wát zou hij daar nou mee bedoelen....
They keep spinning, over en weer, meer komt er ook echt niet naar buiten.
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En wie is dan die nieuwe national director of the judicial police, Almeida Rodrigues? Niet echt van heel groot belang maar het is de eerste niet-magistraat die deze functie gaat bekleden:

Een man vanuit het veld, zak maar zeggen, acht weten we veel, als de gewone cop er blij mee is, wat zullen wij dan oordelen. Good luck...Almeida Rodrigues zal het nodig hebben!
Dit lijkt me juist een goede ontwikkeling, deze man weet van wanten en zal ook niet onder de indruk zijn van politieke spelletjes, hij heeft tenslotte een vermissing op te lossen, ik zie het met hem wel positief in.
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  donderdag 8 mei 2008 @ 09:40:42 #200
798 voyeur
bemoeit zich
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Voel je niet vergeten dames. Ik denk nog altijd aan Madeleine en het mysterie dat haar ouders zich zo autistisch gedragen. 'I think she will give her abductants their two pence worth' and ach dat oog was wel een risico maar 'a good marketing ploy which I couldn't resist."

De open brief van Joana Morais is me dan ook uit het hart gegrepen.
Here we are now, entertain us.
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Op donderdag 8 mei 2008 09:40 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Voel je niet vergeten dames. Ik denk nog altijd aan Madeleine en het mysterie dat haar ouders zich zo autistisch gedragen. 'I think she will give her abductants their two pence worth' and ach dat oog was wel een risico maar 'a good marketing ploy which I couldn't resist."

De open brief van Joana Morais is me dan ook uit het hart gegrepen.
Hoi Voyeur, nou ja, Kahaarin en ik zijn vrijwel nog de enige posters hier. True, er is ook weinig te melden eigenlijk. Het is heel duidelijk te merken dat sinds de McCanns het volk heeft laten weten even uit de limelights te stappen er ook geen headlines meer zijn. De Britse journo's vertikken het nog steeds eigen nieuws te brengen, nee...liever de kladjes van Clarence Mitchell overtikken, pfffff. Binnenlort, 12 mei zou Madeleine 5jr worden, dat komt vast nog wel in de publiciteit, reken maar dat het team McCann de berichten al klaar heeft liggen! Half mei zou de constructie in Praia da Luz moeten plaatsvinden, Robert Murat wil zeker, nou de betreffende ouders+vrienden nog, die zo dolgraag mee willen werken....not!

Anyway, idd een mooie beschouwing van Joana Morais, zij heeft zich, op een paar ergerlijke artikeltjes na, ingezet om net als een aantal andere sites (blogs+fora), het echte nieuws+vertaling te plaatsen, ze heeft het volste recht háár land, Portugal, een morele pluim te geven in combi met compassie voor Madeleine én andere vermiste kinderen.

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  donderdag 8 mei 2008 @ 18:11:47 #202
145755 kahaarin
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Hey hoi Voyeur, medemuts!

Goedenavond allen!

Nog maar even het rondje Anorak, niet dat er veel nieuws is maar toch.
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Madeleine McCann And McGuckin: Max Clifford, Robert Murat And Portugal Is No Spain
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, with special guests the McGuckins.

British media massed in Portugal for the one-year anniversary of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are filling in the blanks by watching the telly. Eamon and Antoinette McGuckin flicker into life. Now read on…

THE GUARDIAN: “Holiday couple insist they were not drunk”

Friends in their village in County Derry, Northern Ireland, said the McGuckins had been the victims of “media paranoia” generated by the first anniversary of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

You can never be too careful. There could have been three more Maddies.

Their children - aged one, two and six - were temporarily taken from them last weekend by the Portuguese authorities. The McGuckins said they were saddened and traumatised by the furore.

Portugal – bring the kids and get away from the kids.

DAILY MIRROR: Watching the parents. And what do we know about them?

“The couple live in a £450,000 house in Maghera, Northern Ireland.” Such are the facts.

DAILY MAIL: “’We were ill, not drunk’, claim Portugal holiday couple who had children seized”

Last night, a statement released by the McGuckins failed to state how much or what had been drunk, only that it was not “an excessive amount”.

Semantics. Well, Mr McGuckin is a “former bank manager”.

The incident has caused outrage in Portugal, where the year-long investigation into Madeleine McCann’s disappearance has already raised questions over standards of British parenting.

Let’s bomb Portugal, or at least give our young offenders a free holiday there.

BELFAST TELEGRAPH: “Did Derry duo pay for McCanns’ mistake?”

Lindy McDowell plays tabloid bingo and wonders…

And here we come to the crux of the matter. Two words — Madeleine McCann.

Was she there?

Coming as it did in the same weekend that marked the first anniversary of the little girl’s disappearance, the story was always going to make front page news.

And the opinion pages, it would always make the opinion pages, Lindy.

And fitting as it does the current Portuguese perception that parents from the UK are neglectful and selfish, the McGuckins were not going to win much sympathy from the authorities.

Me, I’d just like to hear their side of the story. I can’t help feeling that if this couple had chosen, say, a resort in Spain, we would never have heard a word about it all.

Yeah, you can pissed out of your head in Spain, allegedly, and the Spanish just step over you. Those are people you can trust.

Which brings us back to the question about the furore this week — was it really about the family from Upperlands? Or Madeleine McCann?

Well, we’d say it was about the McGuckins. But most things are about Madeleine McCann so it’s more likely about her and those “sardine mumching“ Portuguese scum.

THE SCOTSMAN: “Holiday parents deny being too drunk to look after children”

The incident happened just 45 miles from Praia da Luz, where Madeleine McCann went missing from her family’s holiday apartment just over a year ago while her parents dined nearby.

Maybe they were drinking to forget?

IRISH INDEPENDENT: “Holiday parents insist: ‘We did not drink excessively’”

In a lengthy statement, released through friend and SDLP councillor Kate Lagan, the couple said that on Friday night last - the night it was alleged they were drinking during happy hour at a local bar — they left their apartment in an Algarve holiday resort at 7pm and went to a play park with their children for a half an hour.

The McGuckins have friends in politics. And a media handler. It’s the in thing.

MIDULSTER TODAY: “Max Clifford ‘more than happy to meet with McGuckins’”

PR guru Max Clifford, the man who represents Robert Murat?

He says that he’s happy to meet with the McGuckins. “It’s a good story and it’s important that they get their side of it out there,” he says.

Madeleine McCann: A child of our time
http://www.anorak.co.uk/tabloids/183690.html

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  vrijdag 9 mei 2008 @ 09:53:49 #203
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You are my sunshine......
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BBC apologises to Madeleine McCann's parents
By Caroline Gammell
The BBC has apologised to the parents of Madeleine McCann for planning to screen a film about a girl involved in a kidnap plot - called Madeline - on the weekend of the anniversary of their daughter's disappearance.

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Kate and Gerry McCann leave a service marking the first anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance
The Corporation changed its schedule at the last moment, replacing the eponymously named film with another children's hit Herbie Fully Loaded.

Viewers were told about the change moments before the programme was due to be aired on Sunday afternoon, a year and a day after Madeleine disappeared from her parents apartment in Praia da Luz, Algarve.

The BBC apologised and said the McCanns, from Rothley in Leicestershire, were aware of the blunder. But a friend of the couple's criticised the poor planning.

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"It is disgraceful that the BBC of all people should be so insensitive and not spot this was going to happen," they said.

"Surely with everything that has happened this year, any executive would notice if their station broadcast a film called Madeline involving a kidnapped child? Would that not ring alarm bells?

"It's not that they should never show the film but someone must have checked it was appropriate and checked the dates it was being aired. It's things like that which must be upsetting to Kate and Gerry."

A BBC spokesman said the schedule had been planned months in advance but agreed that the timing was unfortunate.

"We pulled the screening of Madeline from the schedule at the weekend and the film was rescheduled for a later date," a spokesman said.

"It was very close to the one year anniversary of Madeleine McCann disappearing and there are some parallels between the story in the film and the true story of Madeleine.

"Nobody really spotted the connection - when it was finally noticed, the BBC's daytime controller Liam Keelan and the controller of BBC One Roly Keating took the decision to pull it.

"Obviously the BBC would not wish to be insensitive. I believe the family were aware of it at the time and so it was rescheduled. We apologise for any upset."

The 1998 film Madeline, starring Nigel Hawthorne, tells the story of an orphan who tries to prevent the sale of the boarding house where she lives and ends up running away before foiling a kidnap plot.

Viewers watching BBC One at 2.55pm last Sunday were shown the 2005 film Herbie Fully Loaded, starring Lindsay Lohan, about a VW Beetle car, instead.
http://www.telegraph.co.u(...)ology-over-film.html

Jeetje zeg, de hele wereld moet rekening met hun houden, want zij zijn zielig, het is al teruggedraaid en nog moet dit zo prominent in de pers, een onnadenkend foutje dat is hersteld en er is sorry gezegd, waar gaat dit dan nu nog over?
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Op vrijdag 9 mei 2008 09:53 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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http://www.telegraph.co.u(...)ology-over-film.html

Jeetje zeg, de hele wereld moet rekening met hun houden, want zij zijn zielig, het is al teruggedraaid en nog moet dit zo prominent in de pers, een onnadenkend foutje dat is hersteld en er is sorry gezegd, waar gaat dit dan nu nog over?
Hajo Kahaarin en lurkers... Zo is dat Kahaarin, het is zelfs nieuws als er iets niet wordt vertoond wat het publiek waarschijnlijk nog niet eens wist.
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"It is disgraceful that the BBC of all people should be so insensitive and not spot this was going to happen," they said.
Dat had je goed onderstreept Kahaarin want ook de BBC heeft niet echt aan onderzoeksjournalistiek gedaan, het enige wat ik aanvaardbaar vond was de Panorama-docu uit nov. 2007+het interview (directe BBC-link+na te lezen tekst, hier) met het stel op 25 mei 2007 door Jane Hill (zij vroeg zich terecht af waarom ze zelf niet hebben gezocht, iets wat onlangs ook door deTapas-kok is bevestigd, zie eerdere post) én het ietwat stuntelige optreden van met name Kate op 1 mei j.l. in BBC's Breakfast, nog te zien > zie eerdere post. Anyway;
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Alípio Ribeiro gives explanations Correio da Manhã
Diana Ramos
09 May 2008 (Thanks to 'Li' from the3arguidos forum for translation)

The ex national director of the PJ, Alípio Ribeiro, yesterday broke the silence and said that the investigations about Madeleine's case, the British girl that disappeared in Praia da Luz, can go on for years.

In an interview to the Radio Renascença, Alípio Ribeiro did not exclude the hypothesis that the case could remain unsolved. "We need to be patient, there are cases like that that sometimes only get solved many years after. It is obvious that I would like that that case was solved entirely but there are always cases that remain unsolved", he said. The magistrate confessed also that his decision to leave the PJ was taken a month ago.

Alípio Ribeiro understands that he had an excessive visibleness and believes that we was punished by his declarations. The ex national director assured that he was never conformed with the problems of the PJ and that he opted to say always the truth.

"What I have done several times was thinking out loud and I believe that no one can take that as an offence, that necessity of speaking the truth and speak with some intelligence and subtlety but facing the problems" he claimed. Bron
Uhm, dat klinkt niet goed, dat is voor velerlei uitleg vatbaar. Of omdat er 'ergens' wordt tegengewerkt door bv het McCann-team+Britse overheid, óf omdat het juridisch zeer ingewikkeld ligt tussen twee landen, óf omdat Portugal zelf huiverig is de UK te zeer in de wielen te rijden wegens onderlinge belangen in de EU, en wat ook nog natuurlijk kan is dat er toch niet voldoende te bewijzen valt (of te weinig om hard te maken) dat de ouders iets met de vermissing van Madeleine te maken hebben. Maar het kan ook gewoon een tikkie terug meppen zijn, hij werd tenslotte niet echt meer gewaardeerd door z'n ondermijnende uitspraken. Zie een aantal reacties op het 3arguidoforum.

Maar er is meer hoop, behalve dan het van de week aanstellen van de nieuwe National Director of the PJ, Almeida Rodrigues, gaat de onlangs opgestapte Amaral, naast het publiceren van een boek, de advocatuur in, zie artikel van Joana Morais. Zo, zo...misschien komen de McCanns hem wel weer tegen, uhm...see you in court! En verder is het jammer dat het blog van Charlotte (cutting through the rubbish) uit de lucht is gehaald, door wie... Ik mocht haar nieuws/reacties graag lezen. Who's next...

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  vrijdag 9 mei 2008 @ 12:20:09 #205
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Inderdaad Suko, maar eens afwachten wat er komt van die uitspraken, ik denk dat Clarrie weer de hoop gaat uitspreken dat de arguido status nu toch snel opgeheven moet worden......

A propos, ik ben er tot na de Pinksteren vandoor, we gaan camperen, dus, prettige dagen en ik lees wel bij wat er allemaal (niet) is gebeurd.
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Op vrijdag 9 mei 2008 12:20 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Inderdaad Suko, maar eens afwachten wat er komt van die uitspraken, ik denk dat Clarrie weer de hoop gaat uitspreken dat de arguido status nu toch snel opgeheven moet worden......

A propos, ik ben er tot na de Pinksteren vandoor, we gaan camperen, dus, prettige dagen en ik lees wel bij wat er allemaal (niet) is gebeurd.
Yep, spot on, ik hou het wel in de gaten of Clarrie dat (weer) gaat zeggen.... Mooie dagen Kahaarin!
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Hee, ik wist niet dat dit topic bestond....

Misschien is er al laaaaaaaaang en breed over gepraat, heb geen tijd om alles door te lezen, maar ik volg deze zaak ook wel redeljik op de voet, en vraag me nog steeds af waarom die kale donkere man zo kort geinterviewd is.
Achterin een v/d laatste foto's van Maddie, detective (? of iig in contact met de politie) en vriendje van Murat. Op Brians site krijgt hij nu ook weer aandacht:

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Hoi Inflamed , welkom bij de ontwikkelingen van één van de grootste raadsels ter wereld rondom de verdwijning (mogelijk moord) van een meisje van net geen 4jr, dit alles op de rails gezet door haar ouders, familie, vrienden en mogelijke betrokkenheid van de Britse overheid. Die man op de foto is volgens mij iemand van de security aldaar, dus van het resort zelf, maar lees ook berichten dat het een associate van Robert Murat zou kunnen zijn. Helemaal duidelijk is het nog niet maar de site jij noemt is voor mij onbetrouwbaar en te commercieel. Bovendien gelooft hij in een ontvoering, iets wat niet bewezen is en ik persoonlijk geloof er al helemaal niet in. Bovendien beschuldigd hij Robert Murat (en zijn vriendin) van betrokkenheid, zoals iedereen nu wel weet is hij niet meer in the picture en is bezig met het opstellen van aanklachten tegen diverse kranten én is bezig met 't schrijven van een boek. Hij en z'n moeder zijn de afgelopen tijd als honden opgejaagd door die PI's van Metodo 3, voor veel geld ingehuurd door McCanns. Enige tijd geleden las ik op die genoemde site een uitwisseling tussen de broer van Gerry, John McCann en die Brian, daar zakte mijn broek van af, als het ware. En waarom is hij nog niet uigedroomd...Maar goed, dat is mijn mening maar hoor. Ook over Birna wordt er gedroomd én geld gevraagd....pfffff.

Hier staat nog een analyse, iets verouderd omdat inmiddels wel duidelijk is dat het meisje op de voorgrond mogelijk een dochter is van Tapasvriendin, Jane Tanner.

Iemand anders (scandi) schrijft op het 3arguidoforum:
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Hi Tripz, I think he is involved in the case but not with the death or disappearance of Madeleine.

A little bird has told another forum many things about him, but he was staying at the OC, having traveled back from the Exeter area with Murat, where he had helped him with his Mom's remodel and paid his respects to his friends the O'Briens. He is a Brit who works in an area of LE, and somehow it came out he had bodyguarded GB and knew Clarrie. He was supposedly in PDL having something to do with Gerry about ready to take a government job. This last statement of mine is info recently confirmed to us.

It is possible he saw a lot of what went on IMO, arriving 2 days before she went missing, then leaving we think on the 5th to go back to England. We don't know for sure, but doubt the PJ knew who he was right away or why he was there. He was photographed at the playground, volunteered to help search with his friend Murat and the GNR and there was a link saying when the PJ set up a surveillance team on the 4th to watch and see if anyone walked by 5A an inordinate amount of times, that he did just that. Suddenly word abgout him went silent, and that is when we think the PJ realized he was really a good guy.

If it goes to trial I'd almost bet my bottom dollar he will testify as to what he saw. Just interesting stuff and we do trust our 'source' as he has told us so many things that did pan out. ;} PS: Another interesting note about the Bagman/ Baldman, is the very first photo of him to hit the papers was very blurry. He looked like a white guy with a pointed chin, slim and a tattoo on his forearm.

The Sun paper decided to clear those pixels up so he could be seen with more detail, and what do you know, but think the Sun ended up with a print of what the guy really looked like. That photo circled the globe and bet Gerry about had a heart attack!

It always was interesting to me as to why the McCanns put out a blurry photo that didn't really look like the guy after going to all the trouble to have GB give the nod. Had to keep the abductor theory going at all costs!
Anyway, de Portugese advocaat van de McCanns, Rogerio Alves, weet het bijna zeker:
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McCanns' status as suspects in Madeleine's disappearance 'will be lifted by August'

Kate and Gerry McCann will be cleared within three months of any involvement in their daughter Madeleine's disappearance, their Portuguese lawyer said today.

Rogerio Alves said that by August at the latest the couple's status as suspects, or arguidos, will be lifted. Mr Alves, a criminal lawyer with contacts in the judicial system, said: "I believe that by August the police will close the case and lift arguido status. "I believe it is a very strong possibility." The out-going national director of the judicial police, Alipio Ribeiro, hinted today that the investigation will be shut down.

Mr Ribeiro, who stood down today, told a Portuguese radio station: "We need to be patient. "There are cases of this sort that sometimes are only solved many years after. "Obviously I would have liked this case to have been resolved fully but there are always cases that remain unsolved.
>>> Daily Mail
Nou, dat is echt nog helemaal niet zeker, mogelijk worden dan wel de files openbaar maar voor de rest???? Misschien blijven de McCanns wel voor lange tijd Arguido's, dus formeel verdachten, alles is nog mogelijk. Mocht je een nieuwtje lezen Inflamed , of een interessante invalshoek, laat het weten.

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  vrijdag 9 mei 2008 @ 21:46:15 #209
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Suko & Kahaarin, waaruit zou de betrokkenheid van de overheid moeten blijken dan? De geloofwaardigheid van de McCanns is tot een dieptepunt gezakt,maar waarom zouden de Britten de zaak in de doofpot willen stoppen.
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Op vrijdag 9 mei 2008 21:46 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
Suko & Kahaarin, waaruit zou de betrokkenheid van de overheid moeten blijken dan? De geloofwaardigheid van de McCanns is tot een dieptepunt gezakt,maar waarom zouden de Britten de zaak in de doofpot willen stoppen.
Ik spreek alleen voor mij zelf, maar dit filmpje The REAL Madeleine McCann Story van Spudgun is voor mij nog steeds veelzeggend, nog afgezien van de door mij geposte berichten in de diverse delen van dit topic. Ook met de kerst heeft Spudgun een voor mij en vele anderen een verhaal geschreven "A small window of opportunity" wat hout snijdt. Overigens, vanaf het begin heeft PM Gordon Brown telefonisch contact gehouden met de McCanns, één van de vele artikelen op de BBC, het is echt geen geheim dus, mogelijk houdt dat verband met het feit dat een broer van Brown bevriend is met Gerry McCann. Deze laatste heeft ook campagne gevoerd voor Labour. Ook zijn in beide families onderlinge banden via huwelijken. Ook zit Gerry in Comare, een adviserend orgaan voor de overheid < " is an independent expert advisory committee with members chosen for their medical and scientific expertise and recruited from Universities, Research and Medical Institutes. Members have never been drawn from the Nuclear or Electrical Power Supply Industries." Broer Andrew Brown en vriend van Gerry dus > is head of EDF Energy, hoezo alles met alles verweven...Ik weet nog meer connecties maar kan ik wel aan de gang blijven...

Vanaf half sept.2007 lijken die telefoontjes tussen Gordon Brown en de McCanns niet meer plaats te vinden, maar dat weet natuurlijk niemand zeker. Alhoewel, een maand later: Madeleine: Brown quizzes Portuguese PM about bungled police inquiry Dat heeft ook in tig kranten gestaan. Dus heeft hij met de Portugese premier Sócrates over de zaak gesproken, zo belangrijk schijnt het allemaal te zijn want welke andere 'normale' Britse burger heeft deze aandacht van hogerhand mogen 'genieten.'???? Gordon kwam ook te laat in december bij de EU-top in Lissabon, uit een eerdere post: "de vlucht van David Miliband, Member of Parliament for South Shields and Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs naar Lissabon 2 uur vertraagd en komt PM Gordon Brown even tijdens de lunch het Verdrag van Lissabon ondertekenen en is dus niet aanwezig op de officiele fofosessie van de in totaal 27 landen, wegens dubbele agenda's, boy oh boy, wat toevallig allemaal." Een total snub van Gordon Brown naar Portugal.

En dan de Rogatory letters, een verzoek van het ene land naar het andere om getuigen te horen (ff kort door de bocht hoor), het heeft ongelofelijk lang geduurd (1/2 jaar ofzo) voor de PJ naar de UK af 'mochten' reizen voor de verhoren omdat het Britse Home Office aldoor op de punten en komma's zat te letten en de zooi weer terugstuurde. Vernoedelijk heeft het team McCann de vragen in die tijd kunnen inzien en hebben de te horen Tapasvrienden zich opperbest kunnen voorbereiden. Er zijn nog tig insteken van de Britse overheid die hier en daar zijn gepost. Doofpot is voor mij het woord niet, maar wel keer op keer op keer te boel frustreren, zodanig dat het vermoedelijk nooit tot een einde komt. Het sterft mogelijk een stille dood en de McCanns kunnen verder met het uitmelken van 'hun tragedie.'

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Several witnesses are ready to help the PJ, but not the McCanns
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Several witnesses have already expressed their availability to return to Praia da Luz, the village Madeleine disappeared from, in response to the request of the PJ’s who wish to carry out a more complete re-construction of the events of the night of 3rd May 2007. The information was doubly confirmed today in Portimão and Enderby, although both sources have recognised that a fixed date has not yet been established for this procedure.

“We still hope that Madeleine’s parents decide to participate...logically they should be the first to be interested in this”, confirms a Leicestershire police officer. In spite of the statements made by their lawyers in Portugal, Kate and Gerry McCann have made it known that they did not have the intention of making the trip whilst the authorities do not decide to lift their arguido status, which, in practical terms, seems impossible, as the couple should know.

After Kate and Gerry were made arguidos, last September, the UK diplomatic services in Portugal pressurised the Portuguese authorities so that the couple could leave, giving their guarantee that Madeleine’s parents would return as soon as the police requested them to. Eight months later the diplomats are no longer in their posts and the promise has been forgotten from the British side.

Without any help from his government, the other arguido in the inquiry in to the disappearance of Madeleine, the British Robert Murat, is available to participate in a re-construction, even though his lawyer Francisco Pagarete, contacted by SOS Madeleine, states that no official request has yet been received by him. Under certain circumstances, the arguido status can be maintained for twenty years and Murat would certainly wish that the inquiry would speed up, in order to be able to return to an as normal life as possible, although for the moment the Briton tries to understand why, how and who could be behind the accusations that were made about him.

In the UK Robert Murat has already accused 13 newspapers and a television channel of libel. The Briton is requesting the record sum of 2 million pounds from the media, more than 2.5 million Euros, one of the greatest settlements in the history of the UK, which would explain why certain media have taken the decision of removing several Internet articles regarding the accusations made in the past.

The indications go against the McCanns

Amongst the witnesses the police hope to see return to P d L, there is a German tourist who has stated to the investigators that she saw Kate McCann return to the apartment during the dinner, well before the time Madeleine’s mother raised the alarm. Her sighting has been corroborated by a second witness, an Ocean Club employee. These sightings can help to reconstruct the movements of each element of the group of friends, the Tapas 9, but on their own do not explain the indications that the special British police team found together with the PJ inspectors.

In apartment 5ª of the Ocean Club, the British police dogs have indicated cadaver odour behind the sofa near to the rear window. Police found minuscule traces of blood on the curtains of this window, in spite of the fact that the curtains and the wall had been cleaned..

The only finger prints found were those of Kate, Gerry and the couple’s friends. Later, in the Renault Scenic, hired on 27th May by the McCanns, the PT-UK police team found cadaver odour and also human fluids and hair. The expert analyses carried out in the laboratories revealed a strong possibility that these come from Madeleine, the investigators do not mention a 100% match because this level of certainty is never given by scientists when working on DNA.

In the house where the McCanns moved to after leaving the Mark Warner complex, Vivienda Vista Mar, the British dogs again sensed cadaver odour, this time on the clothes belonging to Kate McCann.

“The PJ only retreats to come back stronger”

New PJ director takes up office

“My friends, remember that in the fight against crime, the PJ never retreats. But if it does have to do so, it will only be to spring back stronger said Almeida Rodrigues.
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Deputy national director of the PJ at the time of Alipio Ribeiro’s resignation, Rodrigues is known for his unfailing work as criminal investigation coordinator. His official CV shows several management postings within the PJ as well as missions abroad, especially to Interpol’s General Assembly and the Cap-Vert police, where he was honoured by the local government for his work.

Translation by Ines
Original Article by Duarte Levy: SOS Maddie (FR)

Side Notes: This means there was a lag time of ONE HOUR and 10 MIN before the police were called to the scene! That call was made at 10:40. Bron: Joana Morais
* Charlotte heeft zelf haar Blog 'Cutting through the Rubbish' gesloten waarvan sommige, waaronder ik zei de gek, dachten dat 'anderen' daarvoor verantwoordelijk waren, niet zo gek omdat de McCanns mensen hebben ingehuurd die het internet controlen op informatie die mogelijk de McCanns schade kunnen berokkenen. Charlotte zegt op het 3arguidoforum ondermeer: "Please understand that I posted a reply to this thread in an attempt to explain that I was unnerved enough to close my blog of my own accord, there has been no direct outside pressure or any threat issued to me, the blog closing was through my ‘digging’ and getting jittery as a result. I understand that may sound cloak and daggerish but it’s the best I can offer at this time. The statement ‘I doubt one minnow would be no match for a shoal of piranha’ merely meant that this case is far bigger and uglier than I’d first imagined with team members that I have no desire to ruffle the feathers of - I am only small fish. Digging too deeply is not healthy = Now I would like to personally distance myself from the McCAnns case. Hence closing the blog." Ergens lees ik toch dat het haar te heet onder de voeten wordt, naast natuurlijk irritatie waarvan iedereen wel last heeft.

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  zaterdag 10 mei 2008 @ 20:41:37 #212
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Suko; dat laatste bericht is verontrustend, zelfs op het internet kun je niet meer voor je mening uitkomen ???
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Op zaterdag 10 mei 2008 20:41 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
Suko; dat laatste bericht is verontrustend, zelfs op het internet kun je niet meer voor je mening uitkomen ???
Dat kan wel maar dan moet je toch rekening houden met het bureau van media lawyers carter-ruck, door de McCanns ingehuurd. En ik heb dat al eerder gepost, ook een eng cultachtige support-site HTFM tipt het team McCann over vermeende artikelen/posten die de McCanns niet 'aardig' bejegenen, en maakt daarom het leven van een aantal bloggers en posters op fora behoorlijk zuur. Anyway, ook ik ben het een beetje beu eigenlijk, vandaag een enorm spin-artikel van PR-man van de McCanns Clarence Mitchell (een eng mannetje (voorheen BBC-journalist en later spindoctor) die o.a. voor de Britse overheid heeft gewerkt waaronder PM Tony Blair, Clarence Mitchell weet veel, mogelijk ook een reden waarom hij de media kan bespelen), hij concludeert maar even voor het gemak dat sinds het vertrek van de vorige PJ-baas én nav van een aantal uitspraken van deze laatste, de zaak nu wel is opgelost. De Portugese onderzoekers moeten de files maar overdragen aan (stelletje corrupte boeven imo) Metodo 3 en de formeel verdachten-status van de McCanns opheffen. Terecht dat daar enorm op fora en blogs op wordt gereageerd, ook door Joana Morais: Will this PR Man Never Learn? Will Portuguese Leaders Never Fight Back? Watch Mitchell Spinning Again! en op het 3arguidoforum en dit topic. Maar zoals gezegd, ik kijk alleen nog uit naar echt nieuws, echte ontwikkelingen dus en niet naar gespin en de reacties daarop, hoe terecht ook, daarmee wordt er toch niet echt aan waarheidsvinding gedaan, iets wat toch het belangrijkste is. Wát is er gebeurd met Madeleine McCann op 3 maar mogelijk (imo) op 2 mei 2007 in Praia da Luz en wie zitten daar allemaal achter? Dáár gaat het voor mij om, de rest is soap, krantenvulling en ook veel publiciiteit voor de McCanns. Ik neem voorlopig een afwachtende/passieve maar wel mee-lurkende houding aan....

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  zaterdag 10 mei 2008 @ 23:56:36 #214
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@Suko,
Ik begin steeds meer respect te krijgen voor de Portugese Justitie, als je zo'n club havikken op je nek kijgt dan heb je echt een probleem.
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  dinsdag 13 mei 2008 @ 16:37:19 #215
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Hey hoi allemaal! Ben terug, het was heerlijk!

Rondje Anorak maar meteen!
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Madeleine McCann: Watching The Children
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann

THE SUN: “So sad on Maddie’s birthday”

THE parents of missing Maddie McCann held a “low-key” party yesterday on her fifth birthday. Kate and Gerry McCann decided it must go ahead for the sake of their three-year-old twins Amelie and Sean.

And then tell the world about it.

Says McCanns’ spokesman Clarence Mitchell: “Obviously, without Madeleine home yet, this is sadly just another day without her in many respects. Of course they marked her fifth birthday, as much for Sean and Amelie’s benefit as anything else, but they did it privately within the family.”

How long before we are watching Sean and Amelie?

DAILY STAR: “MADDIE BIRTHDAY.. NO CAKE, NO CARDS”

DAILY MIRROR: “Twins’ do on Maddy birthday”

A media blitz by the McCanns, and an appeal to contact their private detectives at Metodo 3.

Says Clarence Mitchell: “The emails have run into yho0usands and there have been hundreds of calls”
http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/183828.html

Low key!
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Hoi Kahaarin, zoals ik in m'n laaste post schreef, ben het beu al die spin/non-nieuws van het team McCann aandacht te geven, alleen echt nieuws heeft mijn interesse, de rest is bollocks. Zelfs het niet echt vieren van een verjaardig schijnt nieuws te zijn, wat een treurnis. Anyway, wát waar ze op hoopten....nee dus. Joana Morais meldt:
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Breaking News: Judicial Secrecy Extended Another 3 months
Lisboa, 13 Mai (Lusa) - The deadline for the judicial secrecy over the investigations into the case of the disappearance of the English child, Madeleine McCann, in the Algarve, was extended for three months, a source at the State Prosecutor's Office told Lusa Agency today. If this deadline had not been extended for another three months, it would have ended on the 15th of May. Source Lusa News Agency
Iets wat eigenlijk al bekend was, maar we wrijven dit er nog maar even in, mogelijk zelfs tot 15 sept zoals in januari door Correio da Manhã werd geschreven, eerdere post. Dus die crooks van Metodo 3 moeten zich nog ff vermaken met nieuwe sighings, zit niks anders op, geen files ter inzage. Schiet me net wat te binnen, in maart werd hun contract verlengd met 6 maanden, uhmmmm, dat brengt ons bij september, toevallig! Men maakt mij niet wijs dat de McCanns dat niet weten....wat een stelletje criminelen, gedver! Tot besluit een opmerking van een poster elders, een vergelijking van Gerry McCann, hoe ze zich na een week voelden, in een interview met Sky News, 25 mei 2007:
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IW: I think that everyone has just been incredibly impressed with you as a couple and how you’ve dealt with this. There was a period after a week or so where you looked as if you were almost broken and who could not understand that? And then there seemed to be a sort of a strength come from somewhere. Is that a fair point? Is that what happened and what brought it about?

KMcC: I think that’s definitely true, isn’t it [looks at Gerry and sighs]

GMcC: Certainly, you know, at the end of that first week there was so much emotion that we had spent and we actually had a period where we discussed this openly that we felt devoid, completely devoid of emotion. The analogy that I like to use is a bit like when we were students and you’d got to your overdraft limit and you’d gone beyond it and there was just nothing left in the tank. "
Heb dit al vaker gepost maar het blijft me verbazen... Ik lees ook niks meer over die reconstructie in Praia da Luz, zou toch halverwege deze maand plaats moeten vinden, of vergis ik me nu....

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  woensdag 14 mei 2008 @ 10:15:16 #217
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Op dinsdag 13 mei 2008 22:00 schreef Suko het volgende:
Hoi Kahaarin, zoals ik in m'n laaste post schreef, ben het beu al die spin/non-nieuws van het team McCann aandacht te geven, alleen echt nieuws heeft mijn interesse, de rest is bollocks. Zelfs het niet echt vieren van een verjaardig schijnt nieuws te zijn, wat een treurnis. Anyway, wát waar ze op hoopten....nee dus. Joana Morais meldt:
Daar heb je nog gelijk in ook Suko, goedemorgen @all trouwens , wat denk je trouwens van dat Brazilie ver haal?
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Interpol investigate Madeleine McCann 'sighting' in Brazil


Madeleine McCann

Interpol is investigating a possible sighting of Madeleine McCann on a plane to Sao Paulo.

A passenger has claimed to have seen missing Maddie on a jet a month and a half ago.

Interpol's chief Jorge Pontes said: "This sighting is still under investigation so we cannot reveal details. We have a witness insisting they saw the child on a flight to Sao Paulo.”

A foreign Embassy in Brazil reported the sighting to Interpol but Brazilian cops have refused to reveal which Embassy, claiming it could interfere with their investigations.

Maddie, who turned five yesterday, went missing from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal on May 3 last year. Her parents Gerry and Kate McCann were dining at a nearby Tapas bar when she vanished.

Since Madeleine’s disappearance there have been several sightings in the country and police said that their sightings dossier is 40 pages thick.

Brazilia Interpol delegate Marilia Moreira Marques said: "Five leads were followed in Brazil, most of them last year, however, we found nothing leading to Maddie’s whereabouts".

On May 11, 2007 "a man identified as Mark placed a call to England stating he had seen Maddie at a book fair in Cinelandia, central Rio de Janeiro", Ms Marques said.

The man reported the little blonde girl and a woman had entered a snack bar.

Ms Marques added: "The people in the bar didn’t remember seeing them and there were no surveillance cameras, so it could be investigated no further".
http://www.mirror.co.uk/n(...)azil-89520-20416768/
Het is natuurlijk wel zo dat door al hun gespin en metodo3 geneuzel de arguido status nog niet is opgeheven, omdat ze zo lopen te zeuren kan de PJ het ook niet afsluiten.
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Iets wat eigenlijk al bekend was, maar we wrijven dit er nog maar even in, mogelijk zelfs tot 15 sept zoals in januari door Correio da Manhã werd geschreven, eerdere post. Dus die crooks van Metodo 3 moeten zich nog ff vermaken met nieuwe sighings, zit niks anders op, geen files ter inzage. Schiet me net wat te binnen, in maart werd hun contract verlengd met 6 maanden, uhmmmm, dat brengt ons bij september, toevallig! Men maakt mij niet wijs dat de McCanns dat niet weten....wat een stelletje criminelen, gedver! Tot besluit een opmerking van een poster elders, een vergelijking van Gerry McCann, hoe ze zich na een week voelden, in een interview met Sky News, 25 mei 2007:
Nee hoor, natuurlijk niet toevallig, ik geloof in deze zaak niet meer in toeval.
Ik doe met je mee en negeer de tearjerk verhalen van team McCann, het maakt me eerlijk gezegd helemaal niet uit hoe die 2 zich voelen, laat ze gewoon hun monden dicht houden met dat gezeur, schone konten halen, meer is het niet.
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Heb dit al vaker gepost maar het blijft me verbazen... Ik lees ook niks meer over die reconstructie in Praia da Luz, zou toch halverwege deze maand plaats moeten vinden, of vergis ik me nu....
In PdL zitten ze volgens mij al wel klaar, maar Kate kan het niet aan en er moet een camera mee van crimewatch dan willlen ze wel.
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Op woensdag 14 mei 2008 10:15 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Daar heb je nog gelijk in ook Suko, goedemorgen @all trouwens , wat denk je trouwens van dat Brazilie ver haal?
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/n(...)azil-89520-20416768/
Het is natuurlijk wel zo dat door al hun gespin en metodo3 geneuzel de arguido status nog niet is opgeheven, omdat ze zo lopen te zeuren kan de PJ het ook niet afsluiten.
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Nee hoor, natuurlijk niet toevallig, ik geloof in deze zaak niet meer in toeval.
Ik doe met je mee en negeer de tearjerk verhalen van team McCann, het maakt me eerlijk gezegd helemaal niet uit hoe die 2 zich voelen, laat ze gewoon hun monden dicht houden met dat gezeur, schone konten halen, meer is het niet.
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In PdL zitten ze volgens mij al wel klaar, maar Kate kan het niet aan en er moet een camera mee van crimewatch dan willlen ze wel.
Ach ja Brazilie, de hele wereld coveren, waarschijnlijk hebben ze een globe voor hun neus, welk land zullen we nu eens nemen, hou de McCanns op de frontpages, maar wat voor moeite doen ze nog om echt Madeleine te vinden, ze gaan niet eens naar Portugal voor de reconstructie omdat hun Arguido-status niet eerst wordt opgeheven, bang als ze zijn, voor mij al een bekentenis op zich. Guilty as hell! How to clear/clean up our asses.

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> The McCanns Did Not Physically Search for Madeleine
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Nieuws/info is te lezen op o.a. het Three Arguidos Forum + Joana Morais + mccannfiles.
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Ongelofelijk, ik las net deze post op websleuths.com (een bescheiden forum) over een vermissing die je bijna kan zien als de vermissing van Madeleine, ik donderde zowat van m'n stoel van verbazing...

The Aisenbergs & Similarities

Since it is being heavily discussed on other forums, I wanted to bring it here. I am sure many of you remember this case, I do. The similarities between these two cases are quite staggering actually.

There is an extensive write up here: http://joana-morais.blogs(...)ns-10-years-ago.html (Thanks Joana!)

These are videos of a documentary of the case (Real Life Mysteries):

* (Part 1)

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> The McCanns Did Not Physically Search for Madeleine
(filmpje 58 sec), volledige tekst hier te lezen.
Nieuws/info is te lezen op o.a. het Three Arguidos Forum + Joana Morais + mccannfiles.
  woensdag 14 mei 2008 @ 12:45:05 #220
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Op woensdag 14 mei 2008 10:55 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Ach ja Brazilie, de hele wereld coveren, waarschijnlijk hebben ze een globe voor hun neus, welk land zullen we nu eens nemen, hou de McCanns op de frontpages, maar wat voor moeite doen ze nog om echt Madeleine te vinden, ze gaan niet eens naar Portugal voor de reconstructie omdat hun Arguido-status niet eerst wordt opgeheven, bang als ze zijn, voor mij al een bekentenis op zich. Guilty as hell! How to clear/clean up our asses.
Klinkt een beetje als Risk.....

Sabrina lijkt me een slachtoffer van haar ouders (vader?) ik denk dat als je verder gaat spitten en goed zoekt dat er wel meer gevallen zijn die (zijdelings) op die van Maddy lijken, bij een klein kind zijn er vaak maar een paar mogelijke verdachten, domweg omdat die onder de hoede van hun ouders horen te zijn.
De McCanns hebben zich onttrokken van hun verantwoordelijkheid door de kids alleen achter te laten.
Of ze er nu zelf bij betrokken zijn is net zo veel sluitend bewijs als voor ontvoering, bijna niets dus.
(Ik herinner me de DNA sporen wel maar er is me te veel onduidelijkheid omtrent de auto en te veel fuss over die snifferdogs om daar een conclusie uit te trekken, dat er iets scheef zit en dat Maddy niet vrijwillig uit haar bed is gekomen ben ik wel van overtuigd.)
Het ergste in al dit soort gevallen vind ik het feit dat die kinderen compleet afhankelijk zijn en zelf helemaal niets in te brengen hebben, degenen die er voor hen zouden moeten zijn hebben het af laten weten, dat is voor mij het meest schrijnende.
be nice or go away
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Op woensdag 14 mei 2008 12:45 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Klinkt een beetje als Risk.....

Sabrina lijkt me een slachtoffer van haar ouders (vader?) ik denk dat als je verder gaat spitten en goed zoekt dat er wel meer gevallen zijn die (zijdelings) op die van Maddy lijken, bij een klein kind zijn er vaak maar een paar mogelijke verdachten, domweg omdat die onder de hoede van hun ouders horen te zijn.
De McCanns hebben zich onttrokken van hun verantwoordelijkheid door de kids alleen achter te laten.
Of ze er nu zelf bij betrokken zijn is net zo veel sluitend bewijs als voor ontvoering, bijna niets dus.

(Ik herinner me de DNA sporen wel maar er is me te veel onduidelijkheid omtrent de auto en te veel fuss over die snifferdogs om daar een conclusie uit te trekken, dat er iets scheef zit en dat Maddy niet vrijwillig uit haar bed is gekomen ben ik wel van overtuigd.)
Het ergste in al dit soort gevallen vind ik het feit dat die kinderen compleet afhankelijk zijn en zelf helemaal niets in te brengen hebben, degenen die er voor hen zouden moeten zijn hebben het af laten weten, dat is voor mij het meest schrijnende.
Ik heb een aantal zinnen vet gedrukt want daar ligt voor mij ook de clou, alhoewel ik wél denk dat ze er op de een of andere manier bij betrokken zijn, maar dat maakt niks uit. Tenslotte weet ik en de rest buiten de McCanns lang niet alles. Maar het feit dat ze zo ongelofelijk onverantwoordelijk hebben gehandeld tijdens hun vakantie en dat terwijl er alle faciliteiten aanwezig waren om zoveel mogelijk het resort kindvriendelijk/veilig te maken. En dan niet zelf zoeken, iets wat Kate zei in haar allereerste interview met de BBC, wat ze nu onlangs op April 30, 2008 invulde door te zeggen dat ze die nacht alleen gebeden hadden. The Times: "Kate and Gerry McCann tell today how they prayed through the dark, cold night that Madeleine went missing before going out on a desperate dawn search through the deserted streets of Praia da Luz." In de optiek van het publiek, die geloven in een onvoering, zijn er door de ouders kostbare uren verloren door niet mee te helpen zoeken, zij hadden mogelijk op die plekken kunnen zoeken waar Madeleine misschien eerder is geweest. Want Madeleine had last van slaapwandelen, maar geen moment dachten de McCanns dat de kleine aan het wandelen was geslagen. In plaats van zoeken hebben ze de halve wereld, inclusief SKY News, gebeld, met vooral het verhaal dat Madeleine was ontvoerd, dát moest gelijk benadrukt worden.

Inderdaad Kahaarin, kinderen zijn zo compleet afhankelijk van hun ouders/verzorgers, en dan zijn ze er niet om die zorg en veiligheid te bieden, dieptriest. Ze lieten zelfs de twins achter in Prai da Luz, na alle commotie die ook heel jonge kids feilloos aanvoelen, om de halve wereld rond te reizen, dieptriest.

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> The McCanns Did Not Physically Search for Madeleine
(filmpje 58 sec), volledige tekst hier te lezen.
Nieuws/info is te lezen op o.a. het Three Arguidos Forum + Joana Morais + mccannfiles.
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Ohw, kan het ff niet laten, Nigel van mccannfiles.com geeft een puntige commentaar op het samenvallen van de sighting in Brazilie én dat het team McCann nog eens 3 maanden moet wachten voordat de files openbaar worden, ook de BBC kon het opbrengen dat laatste te melden, wordt een beetje saai Clarence Mitshell, you're so transparent....
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In the last two days, the McCanns have had two pieces of bad news: 1) The PJ have refused to allow the McCanns' private detectives, Metodo3, access to the case files, and 2) The Portuguese state attorney has extended the period in which the files may remain secret for another 3 months, to 15 August.

That, without doubt, tells us that the PJ have built, and are continuing to build, a strong case against the McCanns.

So, how to bury this bad news from the British public?

Cue another 'ludicrous', and quite frankly distasteful, Maddie 'sighting' from someone who, despite apparently being on the plane with 'Maddie' alerted none of the cabin crew, took no photographs and, on landing, appears to have decied to contact a foreign embassy rather than the local police.

This 'sighting' took place 6 weeks ago, yet breaks on the very same day the extension of the secrecy period is announced.

Are we to believe this was pure coincidence?
Koffers pakken, dát moeten ze, 'gezellig' met z'n allen naar Praia da Luz, en braaf vertellen en laten zien wat er is gebeurd op 3 mei 2007.

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> The McCanns Did Not Physically Search for Madeleine
(filmpje 58 sec), volledige tekst hier te lezen.
Nieuws/info is te lezen op o.a. het Three Arguidos Forum + Joana Morais + mccannfiles.
  woensdag 14 mei 2008 @ 20:44:19 #223
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[quote]Op woensdag 14 mei 2008 16:46 schreef Suko het volgende:


Koffers pakken, dát moeten ze, 'gezellig' met z'n allen naar Praia da Luz, en braaf vertellen en laten zien wat er is gebeurd op 3 mei 2007.


Inderdaad, maar dat gebeurt dus niet tenzij?? Diplomatieke onschendbaarheid?
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  woensdag 14 mei 2008 @ 20:48:42 #224
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Op woensdag 14 mei 2008 20:44 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
[quote]Op woensdag 14 mei 2008 16:46 schreef Suko het volgende:


Koffers pakken, dát moeten ze, 'gezellig' met z'n allen naar Praia da Luz, en braaf vertellen en laten zien wat er is gebeurd op 3 mei 2007.
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Inderdaad, maar dat gebeurt dus niet tenzij?? Diplomatieke onschendbaarheid?
Zoiets, of gewoon snobisme, we doen toch lekker niet wat jullie willen want wij zijn upper class Britten en jullie Portugezen oid.

Hun argument is dat Kate het niet aan kan en dat het volgens hen niet zo veel uithaalt, tenzij er een camera van het programma Crimewatch mee mag, dan willen ze ineens wel, alles voor media aandacht, oh ja en misschien wordt Maddy dan ook wel gevonden.
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Op woensdag 14 mei 2008 20:48 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Zoiets, of gewoon snobisme, we doen toch lekker niet wat jullie willen want wij zijn upper class Britten en jullie Portugezen oid.

Hun argument is dat Kate het niet aan kan en dat het volgens hen niet zo veel uithaalt, tenzij er een camera van het programma Crimewatch mee mag, dan willen ze ineens wel, alles voor media aandacht, oh ja en misschien wordt Maddy dan ook wel gevonden.
Diplomatieke onschendbaarheid is niet van toepassing, mogelijk wel Britse inmenging van hogerhand. De kwestie van de arguido-status is voor de McCanns wel een heikel punt. Die willen ze toch echt eerst opgeheven hebben, want ze lopen natuurlijk wel de kans dan er aan de McCanns (eenmaal in Praia da Liz zijnde) wordt gevraagd of ze nog zin hebben wat openstaande vragen te beantwoorden, of ze even naar het politiebureau willen komen. Aan de andere kant hebben ze duurbetaalde advocaten in de UK waarvan Caplan de belangrijkste/beste is. Die heeft het voor elkaar gekregen dat moordenaar Pinochet niet werd uitgeleverd, zie artikel op de BBC: Safe pair of hands for McCanns En dat o.a. op basis dat Pinochet te fragiel was om verdere processen uit te zitten. Het is niet toevallig dat er opeens uit het McCann-kamp wordt geopperd dat Kate de reconstructie niet aan zou kunnen....als geen ander weet dus Top-lawer Caplan daar z'n voordeel mee te doen.

Een aantal artikelen uit o.a: de telegraph (bron): Madeleine McCann: reconstruction may occur
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A source close to the McCanns, who are still suspects or arguidos in their daughter’s disappearance, said the couple could not understand why a reconstruction was being arranged now, more than a year on. "It is not going to be televised, so it won’t throw up any new leads outside the police investigation," said the source. "There are physical differences more than a year on, such as the hedgerows are a different height, for example. "And has anyone given any thought to how Kate might feel about taking part in a reconstruction with another child playing her daughter?"
Nonsens, als Kate de hele wereld dag in dag uit kan vertellen over Madeleine, dan kan ze ook die reconstructie aan, mogelijk kan er een pop worden gebruikt als Madeleine. En verder:
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The PJ says there is no precise date Expresso
Mário Lino
13:54, 14 May 2008 (Thanks to 'Li' from the3arguidos forum for translation)

Report reproduces that as above in Destak, with an additional paragraph:

Contacted by Expresso, a source connected to the investigation confirmed that there is no scheduled date yet. "Officially neither the PJ nor the Public Prosecutor have any knowledge yet of who is coming and who is not coming" added the police source. Recognising it to be under "negotiation" and verifying of dates between the couple and the several friends. The same source admitted that we might be facing a "difficult game" in which some of the participants might guarantee their availability that conflicts with the availability of the others. "One thing is certain though: the PJ will only do the reconstruction with all the witnesses present. If not, then there is no police interest", he said.
Het zou mij verbazen als de hele zooi echt wil/gaat meewerken, geloof er niks van!

Toevoeging. Al eerder, how clever, heeft men kunnen lezen dat Kate de reconstructie niet aan zou kunnen, Wednesday April 09, 2008 Sky News: "But it is feared Mrs McCann, whose four-year-old daughter vanished on May 3 last year, would find such a trip too traumatic, Brunt said. A friend of the couple said: "Kate is upset. There's been no sense of concern for her feelings or the anguish it will cause her."

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> The McCanns Did Not Physically Search for Madeleine
(filmpje 58 sec), volledige tekst hier te lezen.
Nieuws/info is te lezen op o.a. het Three Arguidos Forum + Joana Morais + mccannfiles.

[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door Suko op 15-05-2008 08:57:10 (stomme typo's) ]
  donderdag 15 mei 2008 @ 10:42:31 #226
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Op woensdag 14 mei 2008 23:36 schreef Suko het volgende:

Het zou mij verbazen als de hele zooi echt wil/gaat meewerken, geloof er niks van!

Toevoeging. Al eerder, how clever, heeft men kunnen lezen dat Kate de reconstructie niet aan zou kunnen, Wednesday April 09, 2008 Sky News: "But it is feared Mrs McCann, whose four-year-old daughter vanished on May 3 last year, would find such a trip too traumatic, Brunt said. A friend of the couple said: "Kate is upset. There's been no sense of concern for her feelings or the anguish it will cause her."

Je antwoord staat in het rondje Anorak:
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Madeleine McCann: More Secrets And A Rerun
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann


DAILY MIRROR: “Maddy file kept shut”

A Portuguese judge overseeing the Madeleine McCann inquiry has extended judicial secrecy by a further three months.

WORKSOP GUARDIAN: “Madeleine files set to stay secret for another three months”

Says the McCanns’ spokesman, Clarence Mitchell: “We cannot comment on reports in Portugal that the judicial secrecy period has been extended by another three months as Kate and Gerry’s legal advisors have yet to be officially informed of any such decision.”

No comment.

“However, if it’s the case, it’s clearly disappointing and Kate and Gerry’s lawyers will of course continue to press for the opening of the police file. You have to ask yourself how the period of secrecy remaining in place for such a long time actually does anything to help find Madeleine.”

No comment.

THE SUN: “Maddie cops get set for re-run”

A RECONSTRUCTION of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance is set for May 29 — but her parents are still undecided whether to take part.

Kate and Gerry McCann and their “Tapas Seven” pals have been asked to return to Praia da Luz, Portugal, for the event. It would recreate the events of May 3 last year, when Maddie — whose fifth birthday was this week — vanished.

Says Clarence Mitchell: “Kate, Gerry and friends are willing to take part. But why now, a year after she went missing? What is the value?”

Maybe if ITV could build a set looking like Praia da Luz in, say Brighton, things would be more relevant?
http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/183904.html
Natuuuuurlijk willen ze best meedoen maar......
Waar halen ze het lef vandaan om zoiets te zeggen, het is de politie niet duidelijk hoe en wat en ze willen een reconstructie, die mensen zijn bezig met het onderzoek naar hun vermiste dochter en ze vragen zich af of hun onderzoekstactieken zin hebben, iedere goede ouder zou opspringen en gaan ook al hebben ze zo hun twijfels, beter iets doen dan niets.
Het gaat helemaal niet meer om Maddy, het gaat om de Kate en Gerry show.
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Op donderdag 15 mei 2008 10:42 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Je antwoord staat in het rondje Anorak:
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http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/183904.html
Natuuuuurlijk willen ze best meedoen maar......
Waar halen ze het lef vandaan om zoiets te zeggen, het is de politie niet duidelijk hoe en wat en ze willen een reconstructie, die mensen zijn bezig met het onderzoek naar hun vermiste dochter en ze vragen zich af of hun onderzoekstactieken zin hebben, iedere goede ouder zou opspringen en gaan ook al hebben ze zo hun twijfels, beter iets doen dan niets.
Het gaat helemaal niet meer om Maddy, het gaat om de Kate en Gerry show.
Zo is dat Kahaarin, IMO is het nooit om Madeleine gegaan. En je zou toch denken dat ze elk sprankje, hoe pijnlijk ook, zouden aanpakken, ook al om de publieke opinie te keren, want ze staan er wat betreft hun goede 'onschuldige' naam niet best voor. Nou ken ik de Portugese wet niet (ook niet de Nederlandse wet trouwens ) maar hebben ze eigenlijk wel de keus om wel < > niet te gaan??? Want het lijkt alsof de McCanns de keuze hebben maar is meer Clarrie-talk vermoedelijk. Mogelijk dat het weigeren om te gaan niet echt zal helpen hun onschuld aan te tonen, toch op z'n minst wéér een tegenwerking op hun conto.

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Zonder voorwaarden vooraf zegt hun Portugese advocaat en misschien wel op 29 mei: "According to Rogério Alves, one of their Portuguese lawyers "that misunderstanding is surpassed. Kate and Gerry are available to come to Portugal and they do not impose conditions". Jornal de Notícias Maar volgens dezelfde krant: ""Both said that they are available but it is needed to know if the witnesses are also available and that does not depend on them", he explained. The proceeding is now in a phase of negotiation between the PJ and the witnesses - the friends of the couple - but a source connected to the process believes that it is a "strategy" and that the reconstruction will not happen.

The same source reminds about the successive "difficulties" that the two arguidos and the Tapas 7 have been setting to return to Portugal and gives examples. "Publicly they claim they are available, but the truth is that they make demands such as five stars hotels which is a thing that it is not possible". Without the presence of all "characters" the reconstruction "does not make any sense and will not be done", he adds."

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Overigens blijkt die reconstructie onderdeel te zijn van de beroemde Rogatory Letters, alwaar ook die verhoren geregeld zijn, dus ik vermoed dat ze wel moeten...Reconstruction request formed part of the rogatory letter
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Enquiry concluded in August Correio da Manhã
J.M.G. May 15, 2008
(Thanks to 'Li' from the3arguidos for translation)

The PJ has proposed the last week of May as a date to do the reconstruction of what happened on the 3rd of May 2007, in Praia da Luz. "If it is not done at that time, probably it will not take place", explained a source connected to the process - "the secrecy of justice was extended until August and there is only three months left to conclude the enquiry and to elaborate the final report".

According to the same source "it was not possible to make the reconstruction on the first date that was proposed because some claimed that the date was not feasible". Although the request for this procedure was made through the rogatory letters approved by the British justice - which obliges their fulfillment by the McCanns and friends - any of them can allege personal circumstances. "As to the new date, if someone alleges the impossibility of coming, we will see if he/she is someone essential to the reconstruction to decide if it will be done or not".
Maar The Mirror weet het zeker: Kate and Gerry McCann to take part in police reconstruction Daily Mirror May 15, 2008 Kate and Gerry McCann will take part in a reconstruction of the night Madeleine went missing. The couple, 40, of Rothley, Leics, will join the May 29 event at the request of Portuguese cops. But their Portuguese lawyer Rogerio Alves said they were "sceptical" over its benefits. And a court has said case files due to be made public this week will stay shut until August."

We zullen zien... (bron)

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> The McCanns Did Not Physically Search for Madeleine
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  donderdag 15 mei 2008 @ 12:33:47 #228
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Op donderdag 15 mei 2008 11:59 schreef Suko het volgende:

Zo is dat Kahaarin, IMO is het nooit om Madeleine gegaan. En je zou toch denken dat ze elk sprankje, hoe pijnlijk ook, zouden aanpakken, ook al om de publieke opinie te keren, want ze staan er wat betreft hun goede 'onschuldige' naam niet best voor. Nou ken ik de Portugese wet niet (ook niet de Nederlandse wet trouwens ) maar hebben ze eigenlijk wel de keus om wel < > niet te gaan??? Want het lijkt alsof de McCanns de keuze hebben maar is meer Clarrie-talk vermoedelijk. Mogelijk dat het weigeren om te gaan niet echt zal helpen hun onschuld aan te tonen, toch op z'n minst wéér een tegenwerking op hun conto.
Dat denk ik ook, als de PJ hen daar wil hebben dan moeten ze gewoon gaan, al denk ik wel dat de McCanns het wel voor elkaar zouden krijgen dat ze niet hoeven als ze pertinent niet willen, remember Brown?
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Zonder voorwaarden vooraf zegt hun Portugese advocaat en misschien wel op 29 mei: "According to Rogério Alves, one of their Portuguese lawyers "that misunderstanding is surpassed. Kate and Gerry are available to come to Portugal and they do not impose conditions". Jornal de Notícias Maar volgens dezelfde krant: ""Both said that they are available but it is needed to know if the witnesses are also available and that does not depend on them", he explained. The proceeding is now in a phase of negotiation between the PJ and the witnesses - the friends of the couple - but a source connected to the process believes that it is a "strategy" and that the reconstruction will not happen.

The same source reminds about the successive "difficulties" that the two arguidos and the Tapas 7 have been setting to return to Portugal and gives examples. "Publicly they claim they are available, but the truth is that they make demands such as five stars hotels which is a thing that it is not possible". Without the presence of all "characters" the reconstruction "does not make any sense and will not be done", he adds."
Natuurlijk ligt het niet aan K&G, de hele wereld is gek en zij zijn zielig.
Dus toch? Zouden ze echt zulke vreemde eisen stellen? Ik weet niet of dat echt zo is, dit kan net zo goed spin van de andere kant zijn.
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Overigens blijkt die reconstructie onderdeel te zijn van de beroemde Rogatory Letters, alwaar ook die verhoren geregeld zijn, dus ik vermoed dat ze wel moeten...Reconstruction request formed part of the rogatory letter

Maar The Mirror weet het zeker: Kate and Gerry McCann to take part in police reconstruction Daily Mirror May 15, 2008 Kate and Gerry McCann will take part in a reconstruction of the night Madeleine went missing. The couple, 40, of Rothley, Leics, will join the May 29 event at the request of Portuguese cops. But their Portuguese lawyer Rogerio Alves said they were "sceptical" over its benefits. And a court has said case files due to be made public this week will stay shut until August."
Oh, ze zouden eigenlijk ook de waarheid moeten spreken maar helaas is het geheugen van de tapas9 niet zo goed, denk maar eens aan de verklaringen van Jane Tanner.
Als ze bij de reconstructie vast houden aan hun gefabriceerde verhaaltje dan is er idd een grote kans dat het weinig uit haalt.
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Op donderdag 15 mei 2008 12:33 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Dat denk ik ook, als de PJ hen daar wil hebben dan moeten ze gewoon gaan, al denk ik wel dat de McCanns het wel voor elkaar zouden krijgen dat ze niet hoeven als ze pertinent niet willen, remember Brown?
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Natuurlijk ligt het niet aan K&G, de hele wereld is gek en zij zijn zielig.
Dus toch? Zouden ze echt zulke vreemde eisen stellen? Ik weet niet of dat echt zo is, dit kan net zo goed spin van de andere kant zijn.
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Oh, ze zouden eigenlijk ook de waarheid moeten spreken maar helaas is het geheugen van de tapas9 niet zo goed, denk maar eens aan de verklaringen van Jane Tanner.
Als ze bij de reconstructie vast houden aan hun gefabriceerde verhaaltje dan is er idd een grote kans dat het weinig uit haalt.
Mogelijk Kahaarin, maar misschien heeft de PJ nog ander bewijsmateriaal zoals getuigen < die worden ook opgeroepen heb ik begrepen, en wellicht zijn er nog CCTV-beelden < waarop te zien is dat er misschien niks te zien IS, geen checks, of wel maar dan ietje anders als dat er door die vrienden en de McCanns is verklaard. Weet ik veel, ik denk hardop. Maar als ze er geen voordeel van inzien om mee te doen aan de reconstructie dan zijn ze ook niet nieuwsgierig naar de omstandigheden waaronder Madeleine kón verdwijnen. Ik bedoel, het publiek wordt na al die tijd toch ook nog steeds opgeroepen om naar Madeleine uit te kijken? Dan kan op z'n minst een reconstructie na een jaar best plaatsvinden, kan zomaar een herinnering (bij wie dan ook) oproepen die ergens nog verstopt zat, waarheidsvinding, óók voor de betrokkenen, áls ze echt onschuldig zijn... Misschien zijn ze wel bang dat getuigen aldaar iemand herkennen uit de groep McCann, op tijdstippen toen, op die bewuste avond, scary...

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> The McCanns Did Not Physically Search for Madeleine
(filmpje 58 sec), volledige tekst hier te lezen.
Nieuws/info is te lezen op o.a. het Three Arguidos Forum + Joana Morais + mccannfiles.
  vrijdag 16 mei 2008 @ 11:38:34 #230
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Op donderdag 15 mei 2008 13:00 schreef Suko het volgende:
Mogelijk Kahaarin, maar misschien heeft de PJ nog ander bewijsmateriaal zoals getuigen < die worden ook opgeroepen heb ik begrepen, en wellicht zijn er nog CCTV-beelden < waarop te zien is dat er misschien niks te zien IS, geen checks, of wel maar dan ietje anders als dat er door die vrienden en de McCanns is verklaard. Weet ik veel, ik denk hardop. Maar als ze er geen voordeel van inzien om mee te doen aan de reconstructie dan zijn ze ook niet nieuwsgierig naar de omstandigheden waaronder Madeleine kón verdwijnen. Ik bedoel, het publiek wordt na al die tijd toch ook nog steeds opgeroepen om naar Madeleine uit te kijken? Dan kan op z'n minst een reconstructie na een jaar best plaatsvinden, kan zomaar een herinnering (bij wie dan ook) oproepen die ergens nog verstopt zat, waarheidsvinding, óók voor de betrokkenen, áls ze echt onschuldig zijn... Misschien zijn ze wel bang dat getuigen aldaar iemand herkennen uit de groep McCann, op tijdstippen toen, op die bewuste avond, scary...
De spijker op zijn kop, dat mes snijdt idd naar 2 kanten, zij en Metodo3 zijn nog op zoek naar getuigen en dan kunnen ze niet zeggen dat een reconstructie geen zin heeft, scherp +1.

http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/183952.html
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Madeleine McCann: Daily Express Editor Stands Down And a Joke
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann

THE GUARDIAN: “PEOPLE”

Meanwhile, a current editor, Peter Hill of the Daily Express, stood down yesterday from the Press Complaints Commission, not entirely coincidentally following the company’s recent £550,000 payout to the family of Madeleine McCann for publishing false stories about them.

The donation, right?

The PCC’s chairman, Christopher Meyer, had said Hill’s position was under review following the Express’s apology



THE IRISH TIMES: “Comedy controversies: all in the worst possible taste - Some of the gags that attracted most opprobrium.”

Sean Hughes on Madeleine McCann

At a show last year, Irish comic Sean Hughes noted how the parents of missing child Madeleine McCann had visited the Pope in the Vatican. “I know the Pope was in the Hitler Youth, but I don’t think he has anything to do with Madeleine’s disappearance,” he said.

A joke should be funny. Try this one, or this one. Or this one…

Subsequent newspaper reports struck the tone “comedian thinks Madeleine McCann is game for a laugh”, and RTÉ’s Liveline programme fielded phone calls saying the comic should have been banned from performing in Ireland.

Hughes should be ignored - becsue he’s not all that funny.
Rondje Anorak, waarom zijn die comedians nu slecht? De ouders van Maddy verdienen toch ook geld over haar rug?
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Dit lijkt onbelangrijk maar IMO heeft dit alles te maken met die slaafse Britse journalistiek die we sinds een tijdje voorgeschoteld krijgen, een stukje uit Anorak:
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THE GUARDIAN: “PEOPLE” Meanwhile, a current editor, Peter Hill of the Daily Express, stood down yesterday from the Press Complaints Commission, not entirely coincidentally following the company’s recent £550,000 payout to the family of Madeleine McCann for publishing false stories about them.
Het dus zomaar kunnen dat die eenzijdige pro-McCann Britse journalistiek met het volgende te maken zou kunnen hebben. Zoals we weten heeft de Express-groep een bedrag (£550,000) aan de McCanns moeten betalen wegen belastering. "grotesque and grossly defamatory" The Times Gewoon om te plagen, op het 3arguidoforum staan een aantal 'verboden' artikelen uit de Daily Express.

Dit heeft ook alles te maken met de Britse PCC, Press Complaints Commission, een best wel machtig orgaan waar men naar toe kan stappen als men zich onheus bejegend voelt door bv een krant, radio, tv or what ever. Naar aanleiding van de schadevergoeding meldt de PCC het volgende op hun site:
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The PCC, of course, does more than just deal with accuracy complaints. Indeed, it was notable that the McCanns’ spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, said the following in a recent radio interview:

“I’m very happy to acknowledge…that the PCC have been very helpful towards Kate and Gerry – they’ve been very pleased with their advice on the more practical aspects of dealing with the press, such as having the constant presence of photographers outside their home and the harassment that was tantamount at times – also the question of privacy for Sean and Amelie, Madeleine’s brother and sister of course, the PCC have been invaluable in assisting and guiding on that”.

The PCC is constantly involved – both in a formal and informal capacity – in offering assistance to individuals and families at the centre of a media storm.
Waarom meld ik dit...op het 3arguidoforum heeft iemand ontdekt dat mogelijk de voorzitter van de PCC sinds 2003 Sir Christopher Meyer niet geheel onafhankelijk is. Hij is namelijk getrouwd met Catherine Meyer, oprichtster van PACT (Parents and Abducted Children Together) en dikke maatjes met de McCanns, ook was die Catherine Meyer aanwezig tijdens die EU-meeting ter promotie van dat Ambert-alert-systeem. Kijk ook maar eens op google, ik heb "Catherine+Meyer+Kate+McCann" ingeklopt op Google, pffff. Toevallig? Het lijkt mij niet juist als de voorzitter van een zo'n belangrijke organisatie als de PCC mede moet oordelen over nieuwsberichten die verband houden met de McCanns welke dikke vriendjes zijn met z'n vrouw.

En verder heb ik ergens gelezen dat Clarence Mitchell gewoon terug kan gaan naar z'n baan als de kwestie Madeleine is opgelost of zijn diensten niet meer nodig zijn. Op de site van deze Media Monitoring Unit: "The director of the government’s media monitoring unit was this week flown to Portugal to act as a media liaison for the family of ­missing toddler Madeleine McCann." < Tot aan september had hij deze baan nog steeds en werd toen PR-man/woordvoerder van de McCanns. Mogelijk ook redenen voor de pers om terughoudend te zijn. Afijn, de McCanns hebben vele vrienden op plekken die hen van pas komen, zo blijkt keer op keer.

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> The McCanns Did Not Physically Search for Madeleine
(filmpje 58 sec), volledige tekst hier te lezen.
Nieuws/info is te lezen op o.a. het Three Arguidos Forum + Joana Morais + mccannfiles.
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Hoi Kahaarin, heb ook Anorak gelezen, gisteravond al een post klaargestoomd nav die PCC, best wel onthullend IMO. En wat betreft die humor, het is toch een lachwekkende vertoning, met name die Metodo 3 en dat circus er omheen. Alhoewel afbeeldingen met Madeleine misbruiken als humor voor mij iets te ver gaat. Met kinderen moet je als volwassene voorzichtig zijn, en al helemaal met drama's zoals dit.
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Op vrijdag 16 mei 2008 11:38 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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De spijker op zijn kop, dat mes snijdt idd naar 2 kanten, zij en Metodo3 zijn nog op zoek naar getuigen en dan kunnen ze niet zeggen dat een reconstructie geen zin heeft, scherp +1.
<knip> Thnx.
  vrijdag 16 mei 2008 @ 12:10:26 #233
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Op vrijdag 16 mei 2008 11:42 schreef Suko het volgende:
Dit lijkt onbelangrijk maar IMO heeft dit alles te maken met die slaafse Britse journalistiek die we sinds een tijdje voorgeschoteld krijgen, een stukje uit Anorak:
Ondertussen proef ik hier wel een beetje ironie in, zo van je hebt het geld dan wel gekregen en ons is de mond gesnoerd maar we weten allemaal wel beter.
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Het dus zomaar kunnen dat die eenzijdige pro-McCann Britse journalistiek met het volgende te maken zou kunnen hebben. Zoals we weten heeft de Express-groep een bedrag (£550,000) aan de McCanns moeten betalen wegen belastering. "grotesque and grossly defamatory" The Times Gewoon om te plagen, op het 3arguidoforum staan een aantal 'verboden' artikelen uit de Daily Express.
Prcies, dat bedoel ik, voor het oog van de wereld verklaren dat de McCanns gelijk hebben maar ondertussen wel een beetje aan hun stoelpoten zagen door dit soort artikelen ongemoeid te laten.
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Dit heeft ook alles te maken met de Britse PCC, Press Complaints Commission, een best wel machtig orgaan waar men naar toe kan stappen als men zich onheus bejegend voelt door bv een krant, radio, tv or what ever. Naar aanleiding van de schadevergoeding meldt de PCC het volgende op hun site:

Waarom meld ik dit...op het 3arguidoforum heeft iemand ontdekt dat mogelijk de voorzitter van de PCC sinds 2003 Sir Christopher Meyer niet geheel onafhankelijk is. Hij is namelijk getrouwd met Catherine Meyer, oprichtster van PACT (Parents and Abducted Children Together) en dikke maatjes met de McCanns, ook was die Catherine Meyer aanwezig tijdens die EU-meeting ter promotie van dat Ambert-alert-systeem. Kijk ook maar eens op google, ik heb "Catherine+Meyer+Kate+McCann" ingeklopt op Google, pffff. Toevallig? Het lijkt mij niet juist als de voorzitter van een zo'n belangrijke organisatie als de PCC mede moet oordelen over nieuwsberichten die verband houden met de McCanns welke dikke vriendjes zijn met z'n vrouw.
Zonder die vriendjes overal zou men veel harder hebben kunnen optreden, ik vind het van de zotten dat mensen die hun kinderen alleen achterlaten en er dus voor hebben gezorgd dat er eentje is vermist er zo van af komen.
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En verder heb ik ergens gelezen dat Clarence Mitchell gewoon terug kan gaan naar z'n baan als de kwestie Madeleine is opgelost of zijn diensten niet meer nodig zijn. Op de site van deze Media Monitoring Unit: "The director of the government’s media monitoring unit was this week flown to Portugal to act as a media liaison for the family of ­missing toddler Madeleine McCann." < Tot aan september had hij deze baan nog steeds en werd toen PR-man/woordvoerder van de McCanns. Mogelijk ook redenen voor de pers om terughoudend te zijn. Afijn, de McCanns hebben vele vrienden op plekken die hen van pas komen, zo blijkt keer op keer.
Niemand gaat CM meer serieus nemen, het hangt er helemaal vanaf wat het oordeel over de McCanns is denk ik, als blijkt dat ze niet vrij uit gaan dan zal dat altijd als een schaduw over zijn carriere liggen denk ik.
be nice or go away
  vrijdag 16 mei 2008 @ 12:13:06 #234
145755 kahaarin
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Op vrijdag 16 mei 2008 11:51 schreef Suko het volgende:
Hoi Kahaarin, heb ook Anorak gelezen, gisteravond al een post klaargestoomd nav die PCC, best wel onthullend IMO. En wat betreft die humor, het is toch een lachwekkende vertoning, met name die Metodo 3 en dat circus er omheen. Alhoewel afbeeldingen met Madeleine misbruiken als humor voor mij iets te ver gaat. Met kinderen moet je als volwassene voorzichtig zijn, en al helemaal met drama's zoals dit.

Dat ben ik ook volledig met je eens hoor, ik bedoelde het ook ironisch, men verwijt die komieken dat ze niet zorgvuldig met haar nagedachtenis omgaan terwijl haar ouders haar vermissing misbruiken voor eigen eer en glorie, daar mag dan niets over worden gezegd maar die komieken worden de grond ingetrapt, natuurlijk vind ik het onkies dat er grappen over worden gemaakt alleen wat haar ouders dioen vind ik nog 10 X erger.
be nice or go away
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Oké Kahaarin, we zijn het weer over het algemeen helemaal eens, ha ha! Kan er eens iemand posten met een mening die geheel anders is, dan wel met argumenten natuurlijk, kom op! En dat Clarence Mitchell wel z'n baan weer kan voortzetten kán een veeg teken zijn, men zou zomaar kunnen denken dat alles al is beklonken, maar goed, laten we jouw theorie aanhouden, voelt veel prettiger. Anyway, je gelooft je ogen niet, de McCanns denken dat één artikel in het inmiddels verdwenen Portugese blad Tal & Qual heeft geleid tot de gedachte dat zij schuldig zijn aan de dood van Madeleine en willen geld zien, bron en op dit forum:
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McCanns sue a Portuguese Newspaper for Headline publication: “PJ believes parents killed Maddie”

The McCann Couple Back in August 2007 had announced their intent to sue the Tal & Qual, which ran the headline “PJ acredita que os pais mataram Maddie” [PJ believes that the parents killed Maddie]. The paper cited an unnamed police source and said that the police “are almost absolutely certain that Madeleine was killed by accident by her parents”, who they believe gave her too many sedatives to help her sleep.

Today in 24Horas: McCann advances against “T&Q”: Former Director and Journalist of the extinct weekly newspaper were formally constituted as arguidos

Kate and Gerry McCann believe that the publication of the headline “PJ believes that the parents killed Maddie” put the public world-wide opinion against them

The former director and a journalist of the extinct weekly newspaper “Tal&Qual” (T&Q) were formally accused by the parents of Madeleine McCann of the crime of slander, in the sequence of a publication, on 24th of August of last year, of a front cover headline, which highlighted: “The PJ believes that the parents killed Maddie”.

Emídio Fernando was heard yesterday afternoon, in the capacity of arguido, in the section of inquiries of the PSP, in the Avenida de Cintura do Porto de Lisboa. The journalist Catarina Vaz Guerreiro, author of the text to that front cover had already been heard, at the end of 2007. Problems with the notification to the former director of “T&Q” made only possible his hearing yesterday at the PSP inquest headquarters.

24horas knows that, the McCanns - at this processual phase do not request civil compensations – they claim that the publication of that piece of news changed the perception of the international public opinion relatively to their supposed involvement in the disappearance of the daughter.

Two weeks after the publication of the “T&Q” headline, Kate and Gerry were formally constituted as arguidos in the “Maddie case”.

Slander, They Say

“I am perfectly calm, I maintain everything what I’ve always said and I wrote. I am absolutely sure of my sources, so much that, fifteen days later, that one was confirmed ”, said to 24horas Emídio Fernando, in a first reaction to the accusation of slander that is imposed on him. “I have an absolute tranquillity. I have no problem with this. I never had. Not even in the day itself. I was absolutely sure of publishing the article and how it was going to be published”, he added.

Catarina Vaz Guerreiro, in her turn, found the accusation "absurd", since the information given by the weekly newspaper came then to be confirmed with the constitution of Kate and Gerry as arguidos. Madeleine McCann disappeared in the 3rd of May of 2007 in the tourist resort of the Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz, Algarve

Murat can become a rich man

Robert Murat, one of the arguidos in case of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, was the first one advancing with defamations processes against the British and Portuguese Media, he risks becoming a millionaire if he wins the actions that his lawyer interposed. Only in the United Kingdom, Murat, a businessman connected with the property sector, sued 13 newspapers and a TV channel, from whom he asks for one of the biggest compensations in the history of the kingdom: two million pounds, more than 2,5 million euros. In Portugal, there were already different publications to which the lawyer of Murat, Francisco Pagarete, advanced with complaints for slander. “JN”, “CM”, TVI and RTP make part of the accused' roll. Also Gonçalo Amaral, the inspector formerly connected with the case, is going to advance with complaints for defamation against various English newspapers.
Side Note: If the publisher and journalist of “T&Q” are found guilty of criminal libel they could be jailed for up to two years. They could also be fined up to ¤120 (£80) and ¤180,000 (£122,000).

More On Tal & Qua (loose translation: Just Like That) was a weekly Portuguese tabloid newspaper, established in July 1980, that was published on Fridays. The newspaper was part of the Controlinveste group. Its last edition came out on 28 September 2007. The paper closed because of a drop in circulation, down from over 21,000 in 2004 to 13,000 by the end of 2006.

On 31 August 2007, the parents of Madeleine McCann announced that they were suing the newspaper for libel after the newspaper reported that the "police believe" Kate and Gerry McCann killed Madeleine, suggesting she may have died in an accident or from a drugs overdose. The police stressed that the McCanns were not suspects (at the time: they later became so), but Tal & Qual stood by the story. The journalist who wrote the article, Catarina Vaz Guerreiro, said "I can't reveal my source, but I have complete trust in them. I strongly believe that the person that gave us this information is telling the truth."

Ook in een eerdere post, 25 aug. 2007. IMO, weer een afleidingsmanoeuvre en nog meer geld, nog meer geld etc etc. Overigens begon de publkieke opinie allang al te keren vóór deze publicatie in augsutus 2007. Eerst maar eens die reconstructie doen he Kate&Gerry!

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> The McCanns Did Not Physically Search for Madeleine
(filmpje 58 sec), volledige tekst hier te lezen.
Nieuws/info is te lezen op o.a. het Three Arguidos Forum + Joana Morais + mccannfiles.
  vrijdag 16 mei 2008 @ 14:52:23 #236
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Op vrijdag 16 mei 2008 13:18 schreef Suko het volgende:
Oké Kahaarin, we zijn het weer over het algemeen helemaal eens, ha ha! Kan er eens iemand posten met een mening die geheel anders is, dan wel met argumenten natuurlijk, kom op! En dat Clarence Mitchell wel z'n baan weer kan voortzetten kán een veeg teken zijn, men zou zomaar kunnen denken dat alles al is beklonken, maar goed, laten we jouw theorie aanhouden, voelt veel prettiger. Anyway, je gelooft je ogen niet, de McCanns denken dat één artikel in het inmiddels verdwenen Portugese blad Tal & Qual heeft geleid tot de gedachte dat zij schuldig zijn aan de dood van Madeleine en willen geld zien, bron en op dit forum:
Precies, gewoon iemand om het verstand op te scherpen en om van gedachten te wisselen, niet 1 die roept dat we gek zijn en dat er meer kinderen kwijt zijn maar iemand die met argumenten komt.

Clarence Mitchel zal altijd met Maddy worden ge-asocieerd, hoe dan ook is het wel publiciteit, ik weet alleen niet of het wel zo positief zal zijn, we zullen zien idd.

Natuurlijk geven ze iemand anders de schuld, het kan toch niet zo zijn dat de publieke opinie en die van de PJ is gevormd door hun bizarre gedrag? Het kan toch niet dat men de zielige ouders van een 'ontvoerd' kind zo bespot en verkeerd inschat? Dat ze zelf door zo mysterieus te schermen met geheimhoudingsplicht en ondertussen de ene smartlapstory na de andere de media in te slingeren aan geloofwaardigheid hebben ingeboet? Nee toch zeker?
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Ach ja, die Mitchell, maar in de commerciele wereld wordt hij zo ongeveer aanbeden, alweer een optreden op 2 juni a.s, bron:
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The man behind the McCanns: Clarence Mitchell Seminar

Clarence Mitchell will be speaking about his own experiences in the spotlight of the world’s media at a seminar on how to handle an international media furore.

As a former BBC broadcaster and Director of the Government’s Media Monitoring Unit, Clarence has had plenty of experience dealing with the international media machine. His current role as the official spokesperson for the family of missing Madeleine McCann has proved his greatest challenge.

This is a rare opportunity to hear a great speaker give a fascinating insight into his experiences with the world’s media. The talk is free and the organisers will be making a contribution to the Madeline McCann fund.
Nah ja, hij kan straks nog altijd voor zichzelf beginnen, sukses verzekerd, wat een wereld... (wat reacties op 3arguidos)

Maar de datum van de reconstructie in Praia da Luz is nu echt gepind op 29 of 30 mei en het is wel duidelijk dat ook de Tapas-vrienden aanwezig moeten zijn, die overigens op het verzoek om te komen nog geen reactie hebben gegeven. Met name Jane Tanner is van belang omdat zij tenslotte een man met kind heeft gezien op de avond van de vermissing, bron
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Reconstruction now scheduled for May 29th and 30th, 16 May 2008

Madeleine - Reconstruction postponed The Portugal News Online 17/05/2008 (Dated for paper publication, released online 16/05/2008)

Plans to reconstruct the evening last year when British girl Madeleine McCann disappeared from her family's holiday apartment in the Ocean Club Resort, Praia da Luz, have been postponed until the end of this month as the McCanns' friends, who dined with the couple on the night Madeleine vanished, have so far failed to confirm whether they will assist police detectives.

In the week that marked the fifth birthday of Madeleine McCann, it has emerged that a possible reconstruction of the night she went missing has now been scheduled for May 29th and 30th.

To ensure the investigation remains protected by secrecy laws, the Public Ministry has decided to prolong the deadline until which details were to remain undisclosed, from May 15th, for three more months, or until the reconstruction has been carried out. PJ police investigators still defend new investigations must be carried out, meaning the investigation must continue to be protected by secrecy laws.

The McCanns have already made it known they are willing to return to Portugal to participate in the reconstruction, a position confirmed by their lawyer in Portugal, Rogério Alves. According to sources though, the couple do not believe the reconstruction will take the investigation any closer to finding their daughter.

For the reconstruction, all of the witnesses (the McCanns and their friends with whom they dined at the on-site Tapas bar on the night Madeleine disappeared – May 3rd, 2007) are required to be present. Should any witness refuse to participate, the reconstruction will not be carried out, police sources have indicated.

This procedure is believed to be particularly relevant to further explore a statement from witness and the McCanns friend Jane Turner, who claimed she saw a man carrying a child in the vicinity of the family's apartment shortly after one of the group, Gerry McCann, had been to check on the children.
En Robert Murat krijgt excuses van The Scotsman (ik denk de eerste krant die dat nu doet) en dat is een diepe diepe knieval, Gerry McCann die vorig jaar nog stond genomineerd als Schot van het jaar, niet geworden overigens....
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Robert Murat - an apology The Scotsman ON 15 MAY 2007 an article about Robert Murat headed "Madeleine: He jokes of being 'No.1 suspect'" was published in which we reported a number of defamatory allegations about Mr Murat in connection with the abduction of Madeleine McCann.

The article wrongly accused him of "hanging around" the scene in a manner which recalled the Soham murders. Likening his behaviour in this way to that of Soham murderer, Ian Huntley, suggested that he was involved in the abduction of Madeleine McCann.

It was a seriously defamatory allegation and wholly untrue.

We also wrongly implied that he had been unfeeling and insensitive about Madeleine McCann's disappearance and had lied about his role in the police investigation. That was not our intention. We accept that Mr Murat was assisting the police investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance and that his behaviour was entirely proper throughout, and we are happy to make that clear.

We apologise to Mr Murat for the hurt, distress and damage to his reputation caused by the article.
Overigens is er geen geld betaald aan Murat volgens de pressgazette.co.uk: The Johnston Press-owned paper did not pay out any damages.

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> The McCanns Did Not Physically Search for Madeleine
(filmpje 58 sec), volledige tekst hier te lezen.
Nieuws/info is te lezen op o.a. het Three Arguidos Forum + Joana Morais + mccannfiles.
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Een scherp commentaar van Jon Gaunt, zoals hij de laatste tijd wel meer 'mag' publiceren...
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What is it with the McCanns? The Sun
Jon Gaunt
Published: 16 May 2008

WHAT is it with the McCanns? They say they will do anything to help find Maddie but are still dragging their feet over returning to Portugal for a reconstruction of the fateful night when they left Maddie and her twin siblings home alone. Sources close to them say they have "serious reservations".

Why? What serious reservations?

Their spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, asks: "What is the value?"

So now this ex-BBC reporter, Government spin doctor and PR man is suddenly Columbo or Morse, is he?

I'm sorry, but let's remember they are still prime suspects and if the Portuguese plods want them in Portugal they should be there — reservations or not.


En Joana Morais komt met een artikel van 24 Horas:
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Witnesses say that they didn't see Maddie after the end of the afternoon
Timeline of the McCanns put in question

The parents always said that the girl disappeared between 21.00 and 23.00 hours, but no witness saw her from 18.00 hours onwards.

Little Madeleine McCann was not seen from 18.00 of the 3rd of May of 2007, meaning almost four hours before the mother, Kate gave the alarm in Praia da Luz, Algarve. This is the conclusion of the correlation of information given to the British police by more than 60 tourists who were at the Ocean Club on the day of the disappearance.

The authorities of Leicester have been sending these informations drop by drop to the team of Paulo Rebelo. "None of the more than fifty persons that were in the tourist resort saw the child from 18.00 hours onwards. The several interrogatories made at the time of the disappearance and more recently in England prove that the girl was no longer seen in the end of the afternoon", said to the 24 Horas a judicial responsible connected to the investigations. These data led the judicial responsible to assume that "contrarily to what the parents always claimed the hour that the disappearance occurred is yet to define, and it might have happened not after 22.00pm but much earlier".


There are still depositions missing

The team of the PJ are not yet in the possession of all the depositions that were requested to the British authorities made in the scope of the rogatory letter send to that country at the end of 2007. The main statements made by the 7 friends who dined with the McCanns that night were already evaluated scrupulously.

FACTS

Alarm


Kate McCann entered in the Tapas Bar after 22.30 screaming "they've taken her". She was never able to explain to the authorities who were "them". The GNR arrived to the place in less than 20 minutes and the PJ one hour after. In the apartment were the twins and there was no sign of a break in found.

Impositions

The 7 friends that dinned with the McCanns in the Tapas Bar are putting conditions to the Public Prosecutor to return to our country. They are invited to cooperate in the reenactment of that night a proceeding considered very important to clarify the facts.

Reenactment without date

The Judiciary Police continues to wait for a reply of the McCanns and their friends to schedule a date to the reenactment of the facts occurred on the 3rd of May of 2007: "We still have not received any indication from the Public Ministry on that subject. We are still waiting for the McCanns and their friends to decide when they want to come to Portugal. We cannot oblige them, they come if they wish", said the same source.

Guilhermino Encarnação, the responsible of the PJ Directorship of Faro, maintains that "at this phase there is nothing to say" and as soon as relevant data of public interest connected to this mediatic case occurs "that will be revealed by the proper authorities".

The McCanns say, through their spokesman, Clarence Mitchell that they are willing to return to our country but they do not take responsibility for the decision of the friends with whom they dinned on that night.
Source: 24 Horas
Translation by Li/Revised Edit by JM

"Thank you to all who contributed with the pictures of the alleged Madeleine's Official last photo, for more about the theory of the alleged last photo of Madeleine, which seems to be a forged one please go to The Truth For Madeleine"

Een uitgebreid (en meer recent) topic over die laatste foto is hier te volgen.

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Ik had het al eerder gelezen, zou zomaar kunnen dat alles staat of valt wat betreft de reconstrutie of de Tapasvrienden wel komen, het is kennelijk geen 'moeten' maar dat kán een 'foutje' zijn van de krant. Overigens als ze niet komen is dat natuurlijk een argument van de McCanns ook niet verschijnen, zou dat afgesproken zijn, hoe zou dat nou juridisch liggen....

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> The McCanns Did Not Physically Search for Madeleine
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The People, DE pro McCann-krant bij uitstek schrijft opmerkelijk genoeg:
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McCanns: It's still no to a rerun 18 May 2008
By Marc Baker
Defiant Kate and Gerry McCann have rejected a new plea to help re-create the night their daughter Maddie vanished. The couple had a tense showdown with Portuguese cops last week.

After refusing to fly back, they have now been told to reply "within days" to yet another request for them to attend a reconstruction in two weeks. But sources say they will again say no. Police want Kate, 40, and Gerry, 39, and their Tapas Seven pals to return.

But the couple have "grave reservations" about cops' motives. They fear police aren't interested in finding Maddie and only want to charge them with neglect over the disappearance of Maddie, now five, in Praia da Luz last May. Spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "They're still considering what to do."
Als dat waar is dan zegt dat veel over de huidige situatie waarin ze zich nu bevinden. Bang voor wat precies?....dat zelfs alle advocaten die de McCanns en de Tapasvrienden omringen hen niet kunnen beschermen als ze eenmaal in Praia da Luz zijn, dus dat de PJ sterk in de schoenen staat? Het heeft er alle schijn van dat iedereen wordt afgeraden af te reizen, schone konten halen in Portugal heeft geen zin, ze schijten in hun broek van angst...want volgen 24 Horas (zie post hierboven) hebben getuigen aldaar verklaard Madeleine na 18.00 uur op 3 mei niet meer te hebben gezien. IMO en volgens velen is ze die dag op 3 mei helemaal niet gezien....duidelijk is wel dat ze voor neglect gaan, valt mogelijk niet aan te ontkomen, dat is nog altijd minder (erg) dan verantwoordelijk te zijn voor Madeleine's vermissing cq dood.

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> The McCanns Did Not Physically Search for Madeleine
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  zondag 18 mei 2008 @ 14:18:53 #240
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Op zondag 18 mei 2008 10:30 schreef Suko het volgende:
The People, DE pro McCann-krant bij uitstek schrijft opmerkelijk genoeg:
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Als dat waar is dan zegt dat veel over de huidige situatie waarin ze zich nu bevinden. Bang voor wat precies?....dat zelfs alle advocaten die de McCanns en de Tapasvrienden omringen hen niet kunnen beschermen als ze eenmaal in Praia da Luz zijn, dus dat de PJ sterk in de schoenen staat? Het heeft er alle schijn van dat iedereen wordt afgeraden af te reizen, schone konten halen in Portugal heeft geen zin, ze schijten in hun broek van angst...want volgen 24 Horas (zie post hierboven) hebben getuigen aldaar verklaard Madeleine na 18.00 uur op 3 mei niet meer te hebben gezien. IMO en volgens velen is ze die dag op 3 mei helemaal niet gezien....duidelijk is wel dat ze voor neglect gaan, valt mogelijk niet aan te ontkomen, dat is nog altijd minder (erg) dan verantwoordelijk te zijn voor Madeleine's vermissing cq dood.
Hey hi!

Ik denk ook dat er iets raars aan de hand is idd, we weten niet alles wat de PJ heeft gevonden. Spannend vind ik het wel worden, en daarbij de excuses aan Murat, het lijkt ineens weer een beetje aan te trekken.

Rondje Anorak:
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Madeleine McCann: Spanish Police, Child Abduction And Giovanni Trapattoni
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann

SUNDAY MIRROR: “COSTA PAIR TRIED TO STEAL OUR CHILDREN - EXCLUSIVE THIRD attempt to snatch young Brits from their parents in Spain”

Nigel and Lesley Atkinson’s sons Jason, 10, and Jake, eight, were playing outside their home in Moralet, near Alicante, when two men drove up and tried to entice the boys into their car…

“The boys were confused but thank God they were sensible enough to get back in the house. As they did, the men shouted at them to come back. But at this point our baby-sitter came out and the men sped off in their car.”


Spain? Not Portugal, then?

Yet Nigel and Lesley, both 46, claimed Spanish police had barely bothered to investigate the incident which follows two similar cases nearby as well as Madeleine McCann’s abduction in neigbouring Portugal.

“When an officer saw me he shrugged his shoulders and asked ‘what are we supposed to do’?” said Lesley “I’m horrified as there is a gang in the area trying to steal children and people are frightened. For all the police know this gang could be linked to Madeleine’s disappearance.”

DAILY TELEGRAPH: “Lady Meyer in pursuit of abducted children like Madeleine McCann”

The wife of our former ambassador to Washington, Sir Christopher Meyer, tells me that she is trying to persuade Boris Johnson to establish a headquarters for such searches.

The former ambassador’s wife needs a cauase:

“There are hundreds of charities in London who offer services to missing or abducted children,” she said at the launch of Rachel Johnson’s novel Shire Hell. “I’m proposing one centre of excellence which amalgamates all the charities and would be much more efficient in helping people.”

A centre of excellence in child abduction?

Catherine Meyer speaks from experience: she set up the charity Parents and Children Together after her former husband denied her access to her two sons.

Were her children abducted, like Madeleine McCann?

DAILY MAIL: “ ‘Human bone’ at centre of Jersey children’s home inquiry is actually a piece of wood or coconut shell”

To the cellar. No, not that one. This one at the Haut de la Garenne home.

Jersey’s “controversial deputy police chief, Lenny Harper, who is heading the investigation, has found something that looks like human bone.

His murder inquiry began when Eddie, an “enhanced victim recovery dog”, began barking in the cellar of Haut de la Garenne – the sign, according to its handler, that he had detected the scent of human remains.

By coincidence, the dog, from South Yorkshire Police, is the same animal that supposedly picked up “the scent of death” in the apartment where Madeleine McCann was last seen in Praia de Luz in Portugal.

SPORTING LIFE: “TRAPATTONI’S MADELEINE PLEA”

It’s Giovanni Trapattoni, legend of Italian football and new manager of the Republic of Ireland. Does he have news of the missing child?

The Italian and his squad are currently on a six-day training camp in Portugal and are based at Estrela da Luz, just minutes away from the Praia da Luz resort from which the four-year-old disappeared a little more than a year ago.

Trapattoni said: “Our hearts go out to the McCann family and if anybody has any information or anything like that that could be helpful, they should contact the police.”

Is it now the case that anyone of note who visits the Algarve must comment – should comment – on Madeleine McCann?

Says Eire Striker Kevin Doyle: “I only realised last night that we were staying in the same resort. I don’t know what we can do, but if us being here focuses a bit of media attention again…”

Madeleine McCann - Everybody’s pet cause…
http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/184009.html
be nice or go away
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Hoi Kahaarin, wat betreft Murat, nog geen enkele andere Britse krant kon het opbrengen het excuus aan Murat van The Scotsman als nieuws te brengen, het is een regelrechte aanfluiting. Wat betreft die dierenbotjes, elke strohalm wordt aangepakt om zelfs die twee wereldberoemde honden Eddy en Keela in diskrediet te brengen, die tenslotte iets andere sporen hebben gevonden van Madeleine....Er zijn meer zaken gevonden aldaar maar er spelen ook onderlinge fricties op dat eiland, als het maar enigszins (die hond dus) iets met de McMoney te maken kán hebben en vooral nu (reconstructie), dan wordt dat direct ge(mis)bruikt door Clarence Mitchell, beetje zielig really...Interessante posten op het 3arguidoforum. Ook toen de McCoins formeel verdachten werden werd er snel gezocht naar een zaak in de US: Madeleine: McCanns consult American lawyers over 'cadaver dog' evidence < In de Daily Moron. Wat betreft deze krant en andere kranten van dit kaliber, ongelofelijk hoeveel het team McConn advertenties cq posters plaatst, dat moet goud zijn qua inkomsten, nogal logisch dat nieuws rondom Madeleine altijd positief is. Wat posten daarover zijn hier te lezen.

Overigens wordt er ook hier en daar geopperd dat die reconstructie mogelijk wél gewoon doorgaat (omdat ze kennelijk gewoon moeten) maar dat het gebeuren niet aan de grote klok wordt gehangen, iets wat mij bijna onmogelijk lijkt....

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> The McCanns Did Not Physically Search for Madeleine
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  zondag 18 mei 2008 @ 17:31:08 #242
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Op zondag 18 mei 2008 15:33 schreef Suko het volgende:
Hoi Kahaarin, wat betreft Murat, nog geen enkele andere Britse krant kon het opbrengen het excuus aan Murat van The Scotsman als nieuws te brengen, het is een regelrechte aanfluiting. Wat betreft die dierenbotjes, elke strohalm wordt aangepakt om zelfs die twee wereldberoemde honden Eddy en Keela in diskrediet te brengen, die tenslotte iets andere sporen hebben gevonden van Madeleine....Er zijn meer zaken gevonden aldaar maar er spelen ook onderlinge fricties op dat eiland, als het maar enigszins (die hond dus) iets met de McMoney te maken kán hebben en vooral nu (reconstructie), dan wordt dat direct ge(mis)bruikt door Clarence Mitchell, beetje zielig really...Interessante posten op het 3arguidoforum. Ook toen de McCoins formeel verdachten werden werd er snel gezocht naar een zaak in de US: Madeleine: McCanns consult American lawyers over 'cadaver dog' evidence < In de Daily Moron. Wat betreft deze krant en andere kranten van dit kaliber, ongelofelijk hoeveel het team McConn advertenties cq posters plaatst, dat moet goud zijn qua inkomsten, nogal logisch dat nieuws rondom Madeleine altijd positief is. Wat posten daarover zijn hier te lezen.

Overigens wordt er ook hier en daar geopperd dat die reconstructie mogelijk wél gewoon doorgaat (omdat ze kennelijk gewoon moeten) maar dat het gebeuren niet aan de grote klok wordt gehangen, iets wat mij bijna onmogelijk lijkt....
Net als bij Maddies verjaardag oid?

Hopelijk moeten ze naar PdL idd, al is het maar gewoon omdat ze daar geen zin in hebben.
Dat gedoe over die sniffer dogs wordt ook tot op het bot uitgemolken, net als het verhaal van Murat maar een excuus kan er niet af nu blijkt dat er 0,0 bewijs is tegen hem.....
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Op zondag 18 mei 2008 17:31 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Net als bij Maddies verjaardag oid?

Hopelijk moeten ze naar PdL idd, al is het maar gewoon omdat ze daar geen zin in hebben.
Dat gedoe over die sniffer dogs wordt ook tot op het bot uitgemolken, net als het verhaal van Murat maar een excuus kan er niet af nu blijkt dat er 0,0 bewijs is tegen hem.....
Nou Kahaarin, ik denk dat sommige posters bedoelen dat de reconstructie mogelijk zeer low-key of helemaal niet wordt bericht in de Britse media, net zoals bij de verhoren van de Tapas 7 in de UK. Maar dan hebben we altijd de Portugezen nog, die hebben nog tig appeltjes te schillen en zullen zeker niet stil blijven mochten ze er lucht van krijgen. Maar mogelijk blijft het toch stil zodat de PJ in alle rust de taken kan uitvoeren, we wachten af...

Overigens schrijft de BBC iets genuanceerder over de gevonden restanten:
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"In a lengthy statement released on Sunday, States of Jersey Police responded to allegations in a Sunday newspaper that the likely origin of that initial "bone" fragment was purposely kept from the media.

Police say the initial find - whether it turns out to be bone or not - had already been ruled out of their investigation after experts agreed that it dated from before 1940.


They say to highlight its origins would have distracted from their investigation.

The statement goes on to say that the officer in charge of the investigation, deputy chief officer Lenny Harper, "takes full responsibility for the decision to curtail the debate on the item which had already been ruled out of the enquiry and which would have indeed distracted attention from the victims of abuse"."
Was dus al bekend, er zullen nog wel meer fragmenten zijn gevonden die toch niet menselijk bleken, alleen niet gepubliceerd om het onderzoek niet te verstoren, en zijn andere restanten nog in inderzoek, wordt er nog steeds verder gezocht, er hebben zich inmiddels 160 mensen aangemeld ivm geestelijk en lichamelijk misbruik. 'Nice try', Clarence Mitchell, keep digging, maybe someday, you will find somebody > small, you know, the truth, sadly...

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  zondag 18 mei 2008 @ 22:38:32 #244
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Dit leest als een hele slechte detective, ik kan alleen maar hopen op een Portugese Hercule Poirot...
FOK!'s rode weduwe.
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Op zondag 18 mei 2008 22:38 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
Dit leest als een hele slechte detective, ik kan alleen maar hopen op een Portugese Hercule Poirot...
Mogge...uh middag Tmaatje Nou ja, zelfs in een slechte detective komt een ontknoping, maar voorlopig duurt deze soap (daar hou ik het maar even op) nog voort, ook een slechte pers voor de McCanns levert geld op, wat maakt 't uit, selling newspapers, you know... Nog niet echt nieuws gelezen maar daar hebben we het volgende op gevonden... Een zus van voormalige suikeroom en miljardair Richard Branson heeft haar 'slag geslagen' (Bron), spoort dat mens wel?:
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Richard Branson's sister pays £22,000 for McCann painting, 18 May 2008
London Calling artnet


By Joe La Placa

The delightful Vanessa Branson bought Jose Maria Cano’s Renault Scenic, a encaustic painting of the iconic news photo of the parents of kidnap victim Madeline McCann driving the eponymous vehicle, for £22,000. The purchase was a meaningful one, considering Branson’s brother, Virgin CEO Richard Branson, generously donated £100,000 to help the McCanns search for their missing daughter.


Collector Vanessa Branson with Renault Scenic (2007) by Jose Maria Cano

Madeleine McCann by José-María Cano artnet (For sale)



TITLE: Madeleine McCann
ARTIST: José-María Cano
CATEGORY: Paintings
MATERIALS: Wax on board
SIZE: h: 84 x w: 64.5 in / h: 213.4 x w: 163.8 cm
REGION: Spanish
PRICE*: Contact Gallery for Price
GALLERY: Kristy Stubbs Gallery (214) 871-9311 Send Email
DESCRIPTION: Framed
ONLINE CATALOGUE(S): Inventory Catalogue
*Prices subject to change
Dan plaats ik maar een variant van een 3arguidoposter, lijkt me meer van toepassing qua nummerbord...



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  dinsdag 20 mei 2008 @ 11:55:26 #246
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Die laatste foto is wel leuk gevonden, een beetje cru maar wel leuk.
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Madeleine McCann: Kevin Doyle Plays A Blinder, Chris Ayres’ Maddy Paddy And Brain Surgery
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann

IRISH INDEPENDENT: “FAI eloquent on Madeleine”

KEVIN DOYLE seemed somewhat surprised the other day when he was informed that the Irish team’s Estrela da Luz base was just five minutes away from where Madeleine McCann went missing last year.

Kevin Doyle is a footballer with the Eire team. He’s at a press conference.

That Doyle had to take a question on the topic was somewhat bizarre, but then such is the demand of news desks — given that Maddie stories still sell — then it was perhaps inevitable. What was more bizarre, however, was an FAI press officer following up unprompted with quite an eloquent comment about the tragedy, before quickly stating that it was from Giovanni Trapattoni who seemingly was scheduled to be asked about the issue as well.

Eveyone should comment on Madeleine McCann. What they say determines how we perceive them. The boy done good.

Doyle said he was going to take a stroll to the church where the McCanns famously prayed in the days after their daughter disappeared, and some other players have been spotted strolling around the area.

A pilgrimage? A quick scout for women? A warm down after training?

THE TIMES: “The babysitter from cyberspace”

Chris Ayres’ LA Notebook: “imagine the terror at leaving my child in the care of an internet nanny”.

A couple of days ago I met a complete stranger on the internet, invited her over to my house, showed her the room where my son was sleeping, then went out to a party at my neighbour’s house - where I promptly began to hyperventilate.

Breathe. Brrrreeeee-aaaa-thhhh-e. (A dollar says he’s only got one child.)

Deep down, of course, I knew the reason for my paranoia: we had met our babysitter on SitterCity.com, a kind of Facebook for parents.

It’s referral service. That’s how child care works, isn’t it?

Part of the problem, I think, is the looming shadow of the Madeleine McCann case. Thanks to that tragic story I now approach all child-minding dilemmas by taking a kind of warped McCann test: if something went horribly wrong, how negligent/guilty would I look when interviewed on Larry King Live? Let’s face it, explaining that you met your babysitter online wouldn’t exactly get you nominated as Father of the Year.

It’s a worry. But no worries:

In the end, of course, the babysitter we hired was fine, although we continued our search. The most recent candidate we interviewed was another young women on a summer break after graduating. I asked her what she had studied. “Neuroscience at Harvard med,” came the swift reply. Yes, that’s right: we now have a trained brain surgeon as our babysitter, and all for the rate of $14 an hour. Next time I go out on a date with my wife, I think I’ll be able to relax.

She’s going to open your child’s head and rewire it….
Rondje Anorak, geen nieuws is blijkbaar ook nieuws.....
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Ach ja Kahaarin (goeiemiddag ), het noemen van de naam Madeleine McCann wordt inmiddels door iedereen gebruikt voor any doel. Ook Anarak, alhoewel misschien onbedoeld, haalt berichten naar boven die geen doel treffen, wél een link naar de betreffende krant en dat levert weer advertentie-inkomsten voor de krant op qua klik. Maar goed, ik vraag me steeds af wat die zus Branson nou moet met die 'kunst' qua Renault Scenic. Ondanks dat Richard Branson geen geld meer geeft sinds eind vorig jaar staat hij nog steeds achter de McConns, zo meldde hij een tijdje terug, zou zus Branson er dan iets anders over denken, wellicht een verkapt statementje richting de McConns? Zo'n object hang je toch niet aan de muur, die auto waar sporen van Madeleine zijn gevonden en dat krantenknipsel (nog te koop geloof ik) waaruit bleek dat de gevonden DNA idd van Madeliene zijn zoals in verschillende nieuwsberichten was te lezen: Blood clue puts McCann parents in crosshairs. Anyway, no news today, Hip Hip Hooray...

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> The McCanns Did Not Physically Search for Madeleine
(filmpje 58 sec), volledige tekst hier te lezen.
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  woensdag 21 mei 2008 @ 15:11:49 #248
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Op dinsdag 20 mei 2008 13:30 schreef Suko het volgende:
Ach ja Kahaarin (goeiemiddag ), het noemen van de naam Madeleine McCann wordt inmiddels door iedereen gebruikt voor any doel. Ook Anarak, alhoewel misschien onbedoeld, haalt berichten naar boven die geen doel treffen, wél een link naar de betreffende krant en dat levert weer advertentie-inkomsten voor de krant op qua klik. Maar goed, ik vraag me steeds af wat die zus Branson nou moet met die 'kunst' qua Renault Scenic. Ondanks dat Richard Branson geen geld meer geeft sinds eind vorig jaar staat hij nog steeds achter de McConns, zo meldde hij een tijdje terug, zou zus Branson er dan iets anders over denken, wellicht een verkapt statementje richting de McConns? Zo'n object hang je toch niet aan de muur, die auto waar sporen van Madeleine zijn gevonden en dat krantenknipsel (nog te koop geloof ik) waaruit bleek dat de gevonden DNA idd van Madeliene zijn zoals in verschillende nieuwsberichten was te lezen: Blood clue puts McCann parents in crosshairs. Anyway, no news today, Hip Hip Hooray...

Hoi Suko en anderen!

Ik wil wel iets posten hoor, echt wel, maar er is domweg niets.......kijk maar:

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/?search=madeleine&searchheadlines=1

Stilte voor de storm hopelijk?
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Op woensdag 21 mei 2008 15:11 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Hoi Suko en anderen!

Ik wil wel iets posten hoor, echt wel, maar er is domweg niets.......kijk maar:

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/?search=madeleine&searchheadlines=1

Stilte voor de storm hopelijk?
Hoi Kahaarin en lurkers... Yep mogelijk stilte voor een storm..welke koffers zullen we nemen...the blue bag Gerry? Nee joh, die was toch 'kwijt' geraakt in Portugal wijffie, zat er niet wat in? We moeten wel weer onze kleren afstemmen, oogde best leuk op de foto's he mannetje van me?! Oja, die gouden oorbellen moeten ook mee, o nee ships, ik ben er eentje verloren 'die nacht', die zou de PJ toch niet hebben, blimey!

Anyway, op het 3arguidoforum geloven de meeste niet dat ze echt gaan, er zijn wat wetten in de EU die zouden kunnen voorkomen dat iemand naar rrn ander land móet ivm een crimineel onderzoek, reken maar dat die topadvocaten dát zullen gebruiken. Maar goed, het schijnt in die Letter Rogatory te hebben gestaan, samen met die verhoorverzoeken, en was toch goed gekeurd zou je denken...

En tenslotte schrijft Sky dat: Jersey Bones 'Could Suggest Homicide' "Bone fragments found in the cellar of a former Jersey children's home "could suggest homicide", say police on the island. The news comes after it emerged earlier this month that a fragment of bone which initially sparked the search at the former children's centre was thought more likely to be a piece of wood or coconut shell."

Eerder werden kokosnootrestanten/hout verondersteld en sniffer dog Eddy (samen met Keela zijn dat de honden die sporen (bloed/lichaamsvocht)van Madeleine in Praia da Luz hebben gevonden) door het team McConn belachelijk gemaakt. Work that out Clarence Mitchell...

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> The McCanns Did Not Physically Search for Madeleine
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  donderdag 22 mei 2008 @ 14:39:12 #250
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Hoi allemaal! Een nieuw rondje anorak.
Verder geen nieuws.

http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/184181.html
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Madeleine McCann: Press Complaints, Tony Parsons And No News
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann

Madeleine McCann is missing…from the papers.

There’s no sign of the child whose name and face are linked to every hack’s keyboard (press f9).

But Madeleine is mentioned in the Press Complaints Commission: Annual Report for 2007.

In 2007, the PCC received 4,340 complaints in total, a 70 per cent increase on the 1996 figure. One column alone in The Mirror about Madeleine McCann attracted 485 complaints.

Might these complaints have been triggered by the Mirror’s mawkish positioning of a yellow ribbon in its cover, which has now gone the way of its WMD counter?

More likely it’s the October 29, 2007 article by Tony Parsons. In “Oh, up yours, Senor”, Parsons invited the Portuguese ambassador to “shut your stupid sardine-munching mouth”. We should not be too hard on Parsons who has experienced the sting of having a child go missing when his own daughter dispapeared from view for, well, it felt like seconds.

“My wife and my daughter were in the school changing room packing up the tutu after ballet. I was waiting right outside, kicking around a ball with the kid brother of one of my daughter’s friends. Eventually my wife came out alone. ‘Where is she?’ my wife asked. ‘Isn’t she with you?’ I said. And that’s how it happens.”

Parsons’ child was found in a classroom. She was “chilling out”.

Incidentally, in 2001 the Mirror’s travel writers told readers: “If your image of Portugal is sardines, golf courses and Benfica football club, then it’s time you paid the place another visit.”

Parsons is one of the few hacks not to have braved the stench of raw fish and reported live from Praia da Luz. Go to Portugal and find the golf courses gone, children gone, the football club in ruins and the locals spraying flakes of sardine skin at you when they talk.

A lot can happen in a few years…

But Madeleine McCann is still missing…
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Inderdaad is Parsons een enorme eikel, daar is ook massaal over geklaagd, maar zo zijn er vele 'jouno's , die durven niet te schrijven over wat er werkelijk aan de hand zou kunnen zijn, of artikelen verdwijnen zo maar, op bevel van wie??? Anyway, nog een voorbeeld van censuur, dit keer van de telegraph. Gelezen op het 3 arguidoforum. Tegenwoordig heeft elke online-krant ruimte voor Bloggers, deze heet dan 'MY Telegraph', en zelfs daar mag men niet schrijven wat men wil. Ik plaats het verwijderde artikel (dat dus uit de internet-cache) is gevist van deze Telegraph-blogger, Jailhouselawyer (hij heeft het zelf ontdekt "McCanns: The My Telegraph post was abducted") genaamd, volledig:
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McCanns lose public vote of no confidence
Posted by jailhouselawyer at 20:18 on 19 May 2008

The McCannsfiles website is reporting that the McCanns are suing the former director and a journalist of the extinct weekly Portuguese newspaper "Tal&Qual" (T&Q) for defamation. "Kate and Gerry McCann believe that the publication of the headline "PJ believes that the parents killed Maddie" put public opinion, world-wide, against them".

However, the Tal&Qual article appeared on 24 August 2007 and 15 days later the PJ made both the McCanns suspects in the disappearance of Madeleine. The report in T&Q was in quotes and referred to what the PJ believed as opposed to what the journalist and director believed. In my view, providing that the story is reliably sourced, then there is no defamation of the McCanns character.

Furthermore, Associated Press reported this story on 18 May 2007 and at the same time this poll (staat er niet meer op, wel nog hier) was conducted under the heading related content. As you can see from the result below, 3 months before the T&Q story was published, public opinion worldwide was already against the McCanns. Therefore, the T&Q story cannot be responsible for turning public opinion against the McCanns.

Live Vote

Is it acceptable that Madeleine McCann and her siblings were left alone? * 7437 responses

No, no matter how safe her parents assumed the community to be, three children that young should not be left unattended.

92%

Yes, her parents say they checked in on the kids every half hour. Critics may be coming from a different cultural perspective on child rearing.

8%

I would say that it was the McCanns own conduct of child neglect which turned public opinion worldwide against them. Perhaps, it is time that the McCanns had a reality check? Freedom of speech is too strong to disappear just like Madeleine. We will not be silenced just because we do not agree with the version of events as described by the McCanns. The available evidence does not support the McCanns, and neither does the majority of public opinion.

Clarence Mitchell is paid to sell the McCanns story. We choose not to buy it.

UPDATE: It may well be that T&Q is not the real target. It could be a McCann tactic to discover who in the PJ leaked the information to T&Q.
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Het ziet er gewoon dus naar uit de McCanns naar hun centen kunnen fluiten, de publieke opinie was allang al gevormd. Zie het artikel uit 24 Horas uit een eerdere post, over die bewuste claim.

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En ja hoor, de spelletjes worden weer gespeeld, de Tapasvrienden houden de boel op qua reconstructie, zien er het nut niet van en willen ook bv getuigen van de Oceanclub zien, maar Kate En Gerry willen wel... ja ja. Volgens mij heb ik ergens gelezen dat er zeker ook getuigen aanwezig zullen zijn. Oh Oh, wat zijn ze bang voor die timeline, wie en wanneer controleerde de kids op die fatale avond...Lekker allemaal dwarsliggen, de boel ophouden. Wat een bull weer!
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Ultimatum for the McCanns 24horas

Public prosecutor fed up with the lack of cooperation from the British couple
Text Carlos Tomás 23/05/2008 (Thanks to 'Li' from the3arguidos forum for translation)
Kate, Gerry and the seven friends have not yet accepted a return to Portugal on the 29th. The Public Prosecutor is going to accuse the couple of gross negligence

The Public Prosecutor made an ultimatum to the McCanns: Attend the reconstruction of Maddie's disappearance that will take place on the 29th of May or the Public Prosecutor will advance with the accusation of gross negligence against the couple.

The PJ also informed the McCanns that "either all of them return (on the 29th) or none will come" as it was admitted by the spokesman of the couple, Clarence Mitchell to 24horas. All, should be read as Kate, Gerry and the seven friends that dined with them in the Tapas, at Praia da Luz on the 3rd of May 2007.

Clarence Mitchell admitted to 24horas that the reconstruction will not take place on the 29th due to the doubts of the friends.

Kate and Gerry as 24horas has already reported should be accused of gross negligence with the maximum penalty ten years jail.

"There has not been any kind of cooperation with the authorities from their part. What is strange for parents that are constantly and publicly claiming that they want to find their missing daughter. It is an unusual behaviour. Any father or mother that had lost a child would have all interest in cooperating with the authorities. The truth is from the McCann's part that help does not exist. What they say is that they are willing to come to Portugal but only under certain conditions", explained to 24horas a source from Portimão's Court.

According to the same source, after the suggestion of the Public Prosecutor to make the reconstruction on the 15th and 16th of May, a new date was suggested: the 29th of May. However less than a week from that day the Portuguese authorities are still empty handed. Neither the parents nor their friends gave any signal of life.

Enough evidence

"We have the conviction that the parents participated in the concealment of the body's girl and that she is dead. Although the existing evidences are not enough to accuse them of homicide. (dat is nog maar de vraag, de PJ heeft vermoedelijk meer bewijs dan wij denken...) But we have more than enough evidence to accuse them of negligence. They know that and they don't return to Portugal probably because they are afraid of being arrested", said another judicial responsible connected to the investigation.

"It is not understandable the reason why they are all dragging their feet - including the McCanns - to participate in a reconstruction that will probably last 6 hours".

Facts

If the Public Prosecutor goes ahead with the accusation of gross negligence against the McCanns, Kate and Gerry will claim that they were "responsible parents" on the night of the 3rd of May, explained Clarence Mitchell. That is the advice given by the Portuguese and British lawyers.

The reconstruction of the facts that occurred on the night of 3rd of May 2007 will not be done on the 29th due to questions raised by the seven friends of the McCanns to the PJ. "We are in a phase that the friends, one by one, are presenting their arguments to the PJ. They do not understand the objective of the reconstruction one year after the disappearance of Maddie". The friends also "emphasise that more people should participate in the reconstruction such as the employees of the Ocean Club and other witnesses". But Kate and Gerry due to the fact that they are arguidos, will come to Portugal if the PJ demands.

Caught by surprise with the fact that the Public Prosecutor might advance with the accusation of gross negligence against the McCanns, Clarence questions: "Why that accusation now, one year after the facts? It seems strange".
En het gaat zeker niet alleen om negligence, maar ook dat dit tot gevolg heeft gehad dat Madeleine niet meer onder ons is.... (Zie ook 3arguidosforum)

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Een nuttig aanvullend commentaar van Nigel op het hierboven staand artikel:
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Comment: Mark Warner, at that time, offered a 'baby listening service', where nannies toured the complex listening for crying children and then alerted their parents. However, this service was not available in Praia da Luz as the company said the resort was too spread out, with many apartments being outside the bounds of the actual Mark Warner complex.

The McCanns will almost certainly argue that if Mark Warner were offering this service at that time, albeit at other resorts, then it must have been considered legal and 'responsible' to leave the children alone, as long as they were being checked on a regular basis.

Their argument will be that all they were doing was the Mark Warner 'baby listening service' by themselves and that, even if Mark Warner had offered the service in Praia da Luz, there would have been nothing to stop an abductor undertaking the same act between checks made by nannies, as opposed to them.

Last month, Mark Warner withdrew this service from all its complexes (Link to Sky News report).

The immediate questions that flow from this are: Would the Mark Warner 'baby listening service' have complied with Portuguese law (if it had been available) and, if such a service was considered illegal, would the McCanns have been expected to know this?

Of course, the problem the McCanns face with this argument is that they do not know what other evidence the PJ have in their possession. This may be CCTV evidence, witness statements, intercepted emails, phone calls or any other evidence of which we have no knowledge.

The recent appeal for witnesses by the McCanns is almost certainly connected to this charge. It suggests they are looking for people who have made statements to the PJ connected to the movement, or non-movement, of the McCanns and their friends from the tapas table that night. And for those people, as instructed on the recent appeal leaflet, 'There is also a reward for information that will help us'.


Of course, we must be careful with accepting the accuracy of press reports but the suggestion that the McCanns could face a 10 year jail term would suggest the charge being considered is not simply 'neglect' but 'neglect leading to death'. To bring such a charge would strongly imply that the PJ have forensic evidence that both Madeleine is dead and that the McCanns and/or their friends then acted to conceal the body.
Iinderdaad zouden de recente oproepen van de McCanns aan getuigen zich te melden die hen hebben gezien op die avond (ook als ze al gesproken hebben met de PJ, en dus mag dat niet!) een andere betekenis kunnen hebben dan het zoeken naar Madeleine...zelfs met beloning, wist ik niet eens, sneaky devils!

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  vrijdag 23 mei 2008 @ 12:15:00 #254
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Op vrijdag 23 mei 2008 11:06 schreef Suko het volgende:
En ja hoor, de spelletjes worden weer gespeeld, de Tapasvrienden houden de boel op qua reconstructie, zien er het nut niet van en willen ook bv getuigen van de Oceanclub zien, maar Kate En Gerry willen wel... ja ja. Volgens mij heb ik ergens gelezen dat er zeker ook getuigen aanwezig zullen zijn. Oh Oh, wat zijn ze bang voor die timeline, wie en wanneer controleerde de kids op die fatale avond...Lekker allemaal dwarsliggen, de boel ophouden. Wat een bull weer!
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En het gaat zeker niet alleen om negligence, maar ook dat dit tot gevolg heeft gehad dat Madeleine niet meer onder ons is.... (Zie ook 3arguidosforum)

Precies Suko (goedemiddag trouwens. ) dat heet dood door schuld. En zze kunnen traineren wat ze willen eens zullen ze met hun (schone?) billen bloot moeten.
Ik zou de getuigen een mijl bij de Tapas gang weghouden, misschien is die geheugencrisis waar sommigen last van hebben besmettelijk. (lees: afgekocht, weten we nu al wat er met al dat geld uit het Maddyfund is gebeurd? )
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Het is godgeklaagd dat de Tapa's zelfs een serieuze reconstructie die in het belang van de kleine Maddie is kunnen traineren en tegenhouden, ik vermoed dat er nog niet genoeg hard bewijsmateriaal is , maar ik zit te hopen op een internationaal arrestatiebevel, hoe naief dat ook moge klinken.
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  zaterdag 24 mei 2008 @ 10:21:53 #256
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Ik durf nog steeds niet te zeggen dat de ouders van Maddie direct met haar dood te maken hebben, maar uit al hun acties blijkt toch wel dat ze hun eigen belang voor ieders ander belang stellen. En dat is natuurlijk ook de oorzaak geweest van het verdwijnen van Maddie.
Die hele vriendenclub is alleen maar bezig met zich vrijpleiten van elke verantwoordelijkheid. Dat is belangrijker dan achterhalen wat er met Maddie is gebeurd. Maar voor hen is het ook misschien niet zo belangrijk om te achterhalen wat er met Maddie is gebeurd, omdat ze al lang weten wat er met haar is gebeurd. Dat is eigenlijk de enige verklaring die ik hiervoor kan verzinnen.
Als je goed om je heen kijkt zie je dat alles gekleurd is.
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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2008 00:31 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
Het is godgeklaagd dat de Tapa's zelfs een serieuze reconstructie die in het belang van de kleine Maddie is kunnen traineren en tegenhouden, ik vermoed dat er nog niet genoeg hard bewijsmateriaal is , maar ik zit te hopen op een internationaal arrestatiebevel, hoe naief dat ook moge klinken.
Mogge Tmaatje, livelink en de rest. Ach een reconstructie is tegenwoordig een veel gehanteerde methode, het kan een goed beeld/overzicht geven wat er heeft plaatsgevonden, nav de verklaringen, mogelijk klopt er niks van en zijn daar misschien andere getuigen van en CCTV-beelden. Maar ze dekken zich helemaal in, zien er het nut niet van in, Kate is te fragiel, afijn alle smoezen worden geopperd en dat terwijl in het afgelopen jaar we zowat in elk krantenartikel konden lezen dat ze natuurlijk mee willen werken.

Op de ste van Joana Morais een artikel uit SOL/Lusa wat quotes van Clarence Mitchell:
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"Everything depends on the friends, who were also invited to go but, since they are not arguidos, they have a right of questioning the usefulness of this exercise and if it will help to find Madeleine - and at this moment their answer seems to be it will not ", said Mitchell. "The Portuguese authorities still did not manage to answer to this simple and only question ", added Mitchell."

"We are coming very near to the suggested date (29 and May 30) and I think it is very unlikely that the reconstitution will happen”, estimated the McCanns Spokesperson. The little time remaining to the date also hampers the settlement of the availability of all, exemptions from work , travel arrangements and accommodation, whose cost is not clear who will pay.

The delay in settling the date is, according to Mitchell, the lack of response to several questions sent by friends to the police about the nature of the investigation. One was why doing a reconstitution of the alleged crime now, 'when they do not do it normally [in Portugal] and they rejected a proposal to do one for the TV program Crimewatch of the BBC last year ", he said."

"Kate’s "mental well-being" is another factor that causes concern, according to Mitchell.
"Is it supposed that she sees a child to be kidnapped in front of her? What type of anguish is going to cause her? It seems to nobody to have thought about that ", he stressed."
Hij reageert hiermee op een artikel die gisteren werd gepubliceerd, zie Ultimatum for the McCanns

En sosmaddie.dhblogs.be voegt er nog aan toe: British Officer McCann accuses of having an agreement to prevent reconstitution "According to a senior British police Enderby, in Leicestershire, "Kate and Gerry McCann have established an agreement with their seven friends to prevent the realization of the recovery request by the Portuguese authorities."

"They know that this recovery will not take place if the group is not complete," said the officer adding that "it is clear that Kate and Gerry can not refuse directly and publicly discuss their participation in Penalty see public opinion in the United Kingdom turn against them. "

"That is why they are friends who know they will not participate," said the British officer who had accompanied the investigation in Portugal. Almost simultaneously or officer wore these accusations, Kate and Gerry McCann have said today, through their spokesperson, they would be willing to obey a notification from the Portuguese authorities to participate in the reconstruction but their friends continued to challenge the diligence involving its usefulness."

Ik wacht het nog ff af anders stop ik echt met dit topic, heb geen zin nog maanden dat geleuter van die IMO op geld beluste assholes te lezen < solly!

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  zaterdag 24 mei 2008 @ 13:08:48 #258
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Wel begrijpelijk als je er mee stopt, Suko. Ook wel jammer, want het was wel prettig om via jou een beetje bij te blijven. Maar mij bekruipt ook het gevoel steeds meer dat we er nooit achter zullen komen wat er is gebeurd. Zolang alle betrokkenen met hulp van topadvocaten en misschien zelfs met hulp van hogerhand al het onderzoek boycotten en strak hun mond houden, zal er nooit een doorbraak komen.

Ik zie het somber in in ieder geval.
Als je goed om je heen kijkt zie je dat alles gekleurd is.
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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2008 13:08 schreef livelink het volgende:
Wel begrijpelijk als je er mee stopt, Suko. Ook wel jammer, want het was wel prettig om via jou een beetje bij te blijven. Maar mij bekruipt ook het gevoel steeds meer dat we er nooit achter zullen komen wat er is gebeurd. Zolang alle betrokkenen met hulp van topadvocaten en misschien zelfs met hulp van hogerhand al het onderzoek boycotten en strak hun mond houden, zal er nooit een doorbraak komen.

Ik zie het somber in in ieder geval.
Kijk, als ze niet naar de reconstructie gaan dan krijgen we nog tijden allerlei l*l-berichten die in wezen niets met Madeleine te maken hebben en daar pas ik voor. Er wordt nog geopperd dat ze misschien wél gaan, uit goedheid, zie je wel dat we meewerken, na eerst via Clarence Mitchelll berichten te laten versturen dat ze niet wilden. Optmale spin dus...terwijl ze misschien geen keuze hebben en dat ze gewoon móeten, zeker Gerry en Kate, als formeel verdachten. Maar natuurlijk niet laten weten dat ze verplicht zijn te komen, ha ha, no way. Maar goed, dat zijn mogelijkheden die je hier en daar leest. En verder zijn de McConns bezig een plan te ondersteunen voor vermiste kids welke werkt via Facebook en Bebo. Indeed, zo bereik je miljoenen mensen. (Microsoft heeft al interesse Facebook over te nemen en dat te integreren in het besturingssysteem) Zie: McCanns back new tracing scheme Het zal mij eigenlijk niets verbazen als binnenkort die organisatie in de UK charity Missing People (zijn ze dikke maatjes mee) wordt omgedoopt naar iets van Madeleine Alert...
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En volges de Ierse Daily Mirror:
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Portuguese police want Maddy parents tried for child neglect
By Victoria Ward 24/05/2008
PORTUGUESE police want to charge Kate and Gerry McCann with child neglect, it was claimed yesterday. The couple could face 10 years in jail as cops are said to be tired of their "lack of co-operation" and plan to prosecute.

A Portimao courthouse source said: "We have more than sufficient evidence to charge them with negligence. They know that and that is why they are afraid to return to Portugal, afraid they will be arrested. "They have not co-operated at all with the authorities which is strange for parents who are constantly appearing in public to say they want to find their missing daughter.

"Any parent of a missing child would have full interest in co-operating. The truth, however, is that the McCanns have not." The latest development came after the couple were reluctant to take part in a reconstruction over Maddy's disappearance from their Praia da Luz apartment on May 3 last year.

It is now unlikely the reconstruction, scheduled for May 29, will happen. The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "It is disappointing that such threats are being aired, even before the reconstruction has been finalised. "The usual anonymous sources seem determined to issue threats when the Portuguese authorities should, in fact, be concentrating on looking for Madeleine."

He said legal advice the couple had received confirmed that they acted as responsible parents. But Portuguese newspaper 24 Horas claimed prosecutors were tired of the couple's "lack of co-operation" and said the McCanns risked charges of "gross negligence" which could jail them for up to 10 years.

The idea of a reconstruction was floated several weeks ago but it would not be broadcast, and sources told the Mirror at least two of the so-called Tapas Nine were reluctant to take part. The source said: "There are serious questions about the value of this exercise. What is its evidential value?

"Why do they want to do one now when it is not normal practice in Portugal and they had refused before?" The source added no one had considered how Kate would feel watching a girl play the part of Maddy.
En zelfs dit bericht lees ik enigszins als spin, want er is nog een vermissing, mogelijk moord, op te lossen, er zijn sporen van bloed en lichaamsvocht (auto/apartement) van Madeleine gevonden, al of niet genoeg als bewijsmateriaal, DNA-rapporten kent het publiek niet. Al vrij vroeg kwamen er berichten dat het McConn-team voor neglect zou gaan. Kan zijn dat de advocaten hier niet onderuit kunnen en gaan tegen deze claim wat betreft neglect vast en zeker procederen. Kunnen de McConns weer verder met oproepen om vooral Madeleine te zoeken, geld te storten en kranten gaan gewoon door met het plaatsen van enorme advertenties, money, money... Ik ga er vanuit dat de PJ niet al die moeite doet voor alleen "gross negligence" maar meerdere appels met de McConns wenst te schillen.

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Opmerkelijk, ook deze behoorlijk neutrale site http://www.kidnapping.be/maddie/maddie.html komt met een kritisch ondertoontje tav de McCanns, vertaald door posters op het 3arguidoforum, 24 mei 2008:
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We are talking here about the disappearance of a child, not some product to be marketed. As professionals in the police world, extremely familiar with the techniques used, and perfectly aware of the profile of a predator or kidnapper – we are scandalized by the suggestions of Mr Clarence Mitchell. You just do not conduct a judicial reconstruction using a TV channel. No actor in the world can take the place of the real protagonists when doing a reconstruction. Mr Mitchell ought to learn how to differentiate between a human being – a little 4 year old girl – and a product to be marketed in a TV program such as Crimewatch – presumably to gather the transmission rights! We are not dealing with some parody of the facts. We are making a serious attempt to find out what exactly happened on the days of the 2nd and 3rd of May. < (?!)

As to why the other guests and employees of the complex have not been invited to the reconstruction, Mr Mitchell ought to review his notes. He knows, as do the parents, their friends, the PJ and the press, that several reconstructions have already taken place with all guests and employees who were present at the complex on the 2nd and 3rd May last year.

Finally, the “mental state” of Kate to which Mr Mitchell refers. Would it not be improved if we were to discover what had happened? Madeleine’s disappearance must have affected her very much, but the hope – no matter how slim – of discovering what might have happened to her ought to give her strength, and not the reverse. Having regular, often close contact with parents who have been victims, we can confirm to you that is how a parent would react.

Regardless of anything, it is of little import for us to know whether or not the parents are guilty. Whether or not they will be charged. The only thing that matters is what happened to Madeleine. This is the only important question – more so than the possible guilt or otherwise of the parents. But we have to be honest here, since their departure from Portugal, when according to some they abandoned Maddie for a second time, the parents and their friends appear to react as if it all too late for Madeleine and that the only thing that matters to them now is to keep themselves and the twins safe and out of sight. Don’t forget that the PJ had already declared that in their search for an abductor they had no intention of harassing the parents for neglect. The abduction was the prime focus.

In conclusion: We think that Mr Clarence Mitchell needs to take a holiday, for he is coming out with inept statements as big as himself!
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  zondag 25 mei 2008 @ 12:36:47 #262
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Madeleine McCann: Josef Fritzl, Ben Affleck And TV Child Abuse
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann

DAILY MAIL: “Ben Affleck has something to shout about -

Romancer of J-Lo, husband of Jennifer Garner, beefcake specialist of Hollywood blockbusters… and director of sensitively handled film echoing the Madeleine McCann case. Ben Affleck is all these…

And maybe not even in that order. As Affleck said in Pearl Harbor: “Not anxious to die sir, just anxious to matter.”

Ben Affleck’s first film as a director, Gone Baby Gone, a harrowing tale of child abduction, received rave reviews when it came out in the US last year, but its release in Britain was postponed because of chilling parallels with the Madeleine McCann story – and the young lead actress’s strong resemblance to the missing British girl. Now, more than a year since Madeleine’s disappearance, the film is finally about to be released here.

And Affleck has views, too. Having had his film – a work of fiction - compared with the disappearance of a real child, Affleck enjoins the Mail in a game of Tabloid Bingo.

Affleck: Emotionally, I think the Austrian sex offender Josef Fritzl should be killed.

Affleck: What has happened to Madeleine McCann is terrible and it was the right decision to wait until now before bringing out the film, as we didn’t want to upset the family.

Affleck: “I worked with the National Centre for Missing and Exploited Children [which is involved in the search for Madeleine McCann] and I found out about the extent of child abuse internationally. It is horrifying.

Affleck: “Sometimes, abuse is as simple as leaving your kids in front of the TV all day and thinking that it is sufficient parenting.”

Ben Affleck is an actor…
http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/184194.html

Het rondje Anorak van vandaag.
Goedemiddag allen!
Suko ik denk dat je gelijk hebt, die advocaten kunnen net zo hard roepen als ze willen maar de PJ gaat beslissen wat hij ze aanwrijft, het zou toch van de gekken zijn dat zij zelf kunnen gaan beslissen wat de aanklacht wordt?
Ik heb de laatste dagen alleen maar af en toe gekeken of er nog wat nieuws stond op de nieuwssites, echt tenenkrommend hoe er om de hete brij gedraaid wordt idd.
Ik ben echter wel van zins om hier te blijven totdat er helemaal niets meer naar buiten komt, het gaat immers niet om de pers en om team McConn, het gaat om:

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  zondag 25 mei 2008 @ 12:42:27 #263
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Op zondag 25 mei 2008 12:32 schreef Suko het volgende:
Opmerkelijk, ook deze behoorlijk neutrale site http://www.kidnapping.be/maddie/maddie.html komt met een kritisch ondertoontje tav de McCanns, vertaald door posters op het 3arguidoforum, 24 mei 2008:
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Zo is 't.

precies, vooral dat stukje over: what happened the 3rd en second may, zij nemen ook mee dat Maddy de 3e heel weinig is gezien.
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Op zondag 25 mei 2008 12:42 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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precies, vooral dat stukje over: what happened the 3rd en second may, zij nemen ook mee dat Maddy de 3e heel weinig is gezien.
Ja, verrassend dat ook die site 2 data noemt, 3 én 2 mei.
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Op zondag 25 mei 2008 12:36 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/184194.html

Het rondje Anorak van vandaag.
Goedemiddag allen!
Suko ik denk dat je gelijk hebt, die advocaten kunnen net zo hard roepen als ze willen maar de PJ gaat beslissen wat hij ze aanwrijft, het zou toch van de gekken zijn dat zij zelf kunnen gaan beslissen wat de aanklacht wordt?
Ik heb de laatste dagen alleen maar af en toe gekeken of er nog wat nieuws stond op de nieuwssites, echt tenenkrommend hoe er om de hete brij gedraaid wordt idd.
Ik ben echter wel van zins om hier te blijven totdat er helemaal niets meer naar buiten komt, het gaat immers niet om de pers en om team McConn, het gaat om:

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Je hebt gelijk Kahaarin, goedemiddag ook, laten we vooral Madeleine voor ogen houden en de rest? Drop dead...nou ja, figuurlijk dan. En die Affleck weet niet half hoe het echt in elkaar zit qua Madeleine en haar ouders. Maar ja, de film moet ook geld opbrengen....pffff.

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Gaan ze wel, gaan ze niet, gaan ze wel....etc etc etc.
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Reconstruction in Praia da Luz scheduled for Thursday Diario de Noticias
FILIPA AMBRÓSIO DE SOUSA 26/05/2008
Only three days but neither of the couple's defence team knows if there will be a reconstruction

The Judiciary Police (PJ) are dependant on witnesses coming to Portugal for the reconstruction of the night of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann to be done. The proceeding, announced by PJ a few weeks ago, is already scheduled for this Thursday, according to what the DN found. But, apparently, it might not happen.

This is because the witnesses, the friends of the McCann couple that dined in the Tapas Bar on May 3, 2007, in Praia da Luz, may not be willing to travel to Portugal, as a year has passed over the events, according the spokesman of the McCann couple, Clarence Mitchell two days ago.

On the part of McCanns, the couple are already prepared to submit to the Portuguese authorities to carry out the proceedings, which, however, they admit to be "useless" as the lawyer of the couple McCann, Rogerio Alves, told DN.

"Basically, it is not up to Gerry or Kate because they are defendants. If their presence is required, they will have to go," assured the couple's spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, a few days ago to the Lusa agency. "Everything depends on the friends, who were notified to be present but as they are not defendants they have the right to question the usefulness of the exercise and whether it will help to find Madeleine - and the answer now seems to be no," he said.

The lawyer Rogerio Alves said that the Portuguese defence of the McCanns, which the former president of the Bar shares with Carlos Pinto de Abreu, "ignores the evolution of notification made to the witnesses." This means that three days before the scheduled proceedings, the defence team of the couple do not know whether they will take place. "Given that there can be no reconstruction of the night without the witnesses, if they do not come, it will not proceed," the lawyer concluded. Bron
Ja, ja...Kate en Gerry zullen dus wel moeten maar het is al eerder door de PJ naar buiten gebracht dat zonder de Tapa's de reconstructie geen zin heeft en niet door kan gaan. Mitchell e.a. spelen daar nu handig op in. Het zou kunnen dat de Tapa's of enkele van hen alsnog Arguido verklaard worden, ook nav de onlangs gehouden verhoren en dan nu de weigering om mee te werken. Dus ipv mee te werken en eventueel nog clues te ontdekken wát er eventueel kan zijn gebeurd op die fatale avond, iemand kán zich mogelijk opeens wat herinneren, is het verworden tot een jurisch spel van ouders en getuigen die alles doen, behalve op zoek naar de waarheid, maar wel na ruim een jaar het publiek nog steeds verzoekt naar Madeleine uit te kijken, ra ra, zoek de fout...

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Of....zoals een poster op het 3arguidoforum schrijft: "Maybe this is the way the 7, on legal advice, drop their 2 chums right in it - and now, sans reconstruction, the last chance for the 2 arguidos to make a case for abduction. the PJ and the judiciary proceed to the next stage." Now, that's a thougt....

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'Interessant', hoe de McCanns het plan steunen (eerdere post ) om o.a.de social networding sites zoals Facebook en BeBo te gebruiken om aandacht te vragen voor Madeleine en andere vermiste kinderen. Deze sites (ook MySpace) staan de laatste tijd zeer in de belangstelling omdat een steeds grotere groep pedofielen juist op die plekken op jacht zijn naar kinderen/jongeren. Vanavond in Panorama. BBC1 21.30 uur.

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  maandag 26 mei 2008 @ 13:20:17 #268
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Op zondag 25 mei 2008 12:55 schreef Suko het volgende:

Ja, verrassend dat ook die site 2 data noemt, 3 én 2 mei.
Goedemiddag all! Dat was idd een onverwachte hoek, misschien opstandigheid wegens vaagheid?
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Je hebt gelijk Kahaarin, goedemiddag ook, laten we vooral Madeleine voor ogen houden en de rest? Drop dead...nou ja, figuurlijk dan. En die Affleck weet niet half hoe het echt in elkaar zit qua Madeleine en haar ouders. Maar ja, de film moet ook geld opbrengen....pffff.
Die Affleck heeft een interview gegeven over alle vermiste kinderen en zijdelings de McConns genoemd, dit is natuurlijk uit zijn verband gerukt en het lijkt nu of het hele gesprek over die zaak ging.
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Op maandag 26 mei 2008 11:07 schreef Suko het volgende:
Gaan ze wel, gaan ze niet, gaan ze wel....etc etc etc.
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Ja, ja...Kate en Gerry zullen dus wel moeten maar het is al eerder door de PJ naar buiten gebracht dat zonder de Tapa's de reconstructie geen zin heeft en niet door kan gaan. Mitchell e.a. spelen daar nu handig op in. Het zou kunnen dat de Tapa's of enkele van hen alsnog Arguido verklaard worden, ook nav de onlangs gehouden verhoren en dan nu de weigering om mee te werken. Dus ipv mee te werken en eventueel nog clues te ontdekken wát er eventueel kan zijn gebeurd op die fatale avond, iemand kán zich mogelijk opeens wat herinneren, is het verworden tot een jurisch spel van ouders en getuigen die alles doen, behalve op zoek naar de waarheid, maar wel na ruim een jaar het publiek nog steeds verzoekt naar Madeleine uit te kijken, ra ra, zoek de fout...
Retorische vraag neem ik aan?
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Op maandag 26 mei 2008 12:00 schreef Suko het volgende:
Of....zoals een poster op het 3arguidoforum schrijft: "Maybe this is the way the 7, on legal advice, drop their 2 chums right in it - and now, sans reconstruction, the last chance for the 2 arguidos to make a case for abduction. the PJ and the judiciary proceed to the next stage." Now, that's a thougt....
All you have to do is: Dream.
Al zou ik het echt perfect vinden als de Tapas7 hen gewoon laten zwemmen.
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Op maandag 26 mei 2008 12:13 schreef Suko het volgende:
'Interessant', hoe de McCanns het plan steunen (eerdere post ) om o.a.de social networding sites zoals Facebook en BeBo te gebruiken om aandacht te vragen voor Madeleine en andere vermiste kinderen. Deze sites (ook MySpace) staan de laatste tijd zeer in de belangstelling omdat een steeds grotere groep pedofielen juist op die plekken op jacht zijn naar kinderen/jongeren. Vanavond in Panorama. BBC1 21.30 uur.
Tja, ik zou hier wel een inkoppertje op kunnen maken maar goed, we weten al wel hoe het zit geloof ik.

Van Anorak:
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Find Madeleine McCann On Facebook
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
SAY the McCanns: “We strongly support and encourage this new initiative to use Facebook to increase awareness of missing children.”

Wherever you are, whatever you are doing, you will know that children go missing.

Although not if you’re watching the TV news of reading the newspapers because Madeleine McCann is no longer in the mass media.

But the campaign has not been in vain. She is on a press release.

And the better news is that no children have gone missing in the past few weeks. We look through the mainstream press every day. It’s a fact. But what of life on the internet?
The statement goes on: “Using the power of social media in this way will undoubtedly capture the attention - and hopefully the help - of a younger population who are a hugely valuable and resourceful group.

“We would urge the millions of Facebook users around the world to keep looking and to do what they can to help bring these children home.”

Missing People has set up a widget for Facebook users to download, which will mean information on current appeals will be displayed on their homepage.

Says missing People Chief Executive Paul Tuohy: “If every Facebook user downloaded our BT-powered application, millions of people internationally could see an appeal that could help us to reunite a family.”

Because BT cares…

Madeleine McCann: Fighting the PR war
http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/184245.html

En niets over die pedofielen......
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Op maandag 26 mei 2008 13:20 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Goedemiddag all! Dat was idd een onverwachte hoek, misschien opstandigheid wegens vaagheid?
[..][quote]Ik denkt 't, maar het is een gegeven dat het niet vast staat wanneer Madeleine echt voor het laatst is gezien en die best wel neutrale site heeft dat nu opgepikt.

Die Affleck heeft een interview gegeven over alle vermiste kinderen en zijdelings de McConns genoemd, dit is natuurlijk uit zijn verband gerukt en het lijkt nu of het hele gesprek over die zaak ging.
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Bekend verhaal indeed, begrijpelijk overigens dat iedereen die alleen afgaat op site zoals van Missing Kids en verder zich niet zoveel verdiept in deze tragedie men gewoon medelijden heeft met de McConns.
Retorische vraag neem ik aan?
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Yep...ha ha
All you have to do is: Dream.
Al zou ik het echt perfect vinden als de Tapas7 hen gewoon laten zwemmen.
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Vermoedelijk is er een aantal in die Tapas-groep die het eigenlijk allemaal zat is. Als ze zelf er niets mee te maken hebben, (maar mogelijk weet Gerry iets van hen, vandaar dat pact of silence) dan willen ze misschien op die manier er vanaf.
Tja, ik zou hier wel een inkoppertje op kunnen maken maar goed, we weten al wel hoe het zit geloof ik.

Van Anorak:
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http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/184245.html

En niets over die pedofielen......
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Marketingfoutje van het team McCann, vanmorgen op BBC-Breakfast waren de makers uitgebreid aan het woord...en dat 'nieuws' over Facebook in combi met Missing Kids was dit weekend al vrijgegeven....
En ik plaats dat statement van de McConns nog maar ff, uit de independent.ie:
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"We strongly support and encourage this new initiative to use Facebook to increase awareness of missing children.

"Using the power of social media in this way will undoubtedly capture the attention -- and hopefully the help -- of a younger population who are a hugely valuable and resourceful group. "We would urge the millions of Facebook users around the world to keep looking and to do what they can to help bring these children home.

"This initiative by Missing People, British Telecom and all those supporting them, is another highly commendable and positive step in protecting and helping children." Missing People has set up an application for Facebook users to download, which will mean information on current appeals will be displayed on their homepage.

The charity is also joining Bebo's 'Be Cause', an internet site which gives information for young people about charities and campaign groups, to publicise its 24-hour Runaway Helpline. It hopes to access millions of internet users in its quest to find thousands of youngsters.
Bugger off....solly. Eigenlijk zouden dit soort sites allleen mogen worden gebruikt door personen van 18 jaar en ouder, maar ja, dat valt niet te checken.

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  maandag 26 mei 2008 @ 15:51:09 #270
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Ehm, Suko, een beetje in de warrig?

Anyhow, wat ook weer een domheid dat ze niet alle nieuws over dat facebook hebben bekeken, het is ook net of alles wat ze doen een schaduwkant heeft, karma?

Oh ja, even het complete interview met Ben:
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Some time ago Ben Affleck’s career seemed to slip off the radar. He became better known for his off-screen romances with Gwyneth Paltrow (dubbed “Benneth”) and Jennifer Lopez (“Bennifer”), and languished in a purgatory of comedies and romances. What happened to the promising young talent who won an Oscar in 1998 for co-writing the screenplay of Good Will Hunting, people muttered. Affleck seemed relegated to gossip column fodder.

Gone Baby Gone – a vivid thriller about a girl aged 4 kidnapped in a tight-knit Boston neighbourhood – will change that. Affleck directed, produced and co-wrote the film, and cast his younger brother, Casey, in the lead. Last year it got a standing ovation at the American Film Festival in Deauville, and was heralded one of the best thrillers of the decade.

However, the timing of its release (set for last year) was scuppered by the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Also, the film’s missing girl, Amanda, is the image of Madeleine McCann – and the young actress’s name is Madeline O’Brien. When she first appeared on screen in a press screening to British journalists, there was an audible gasp. *

Affleck cancelled the release of Gone Baby Gone. At the time he said: “I am acutely aware that a situation like Madeleine McCann’s is a matter of life and death. Nobody is taking it lightly. None of us knew about Madeleine McCann when we were shooting the film. I went on the internet to find out about her long after we had finished shooting. It is the least anyone can do to delay the release. It’s just a movie, after all.” *

Affleck is married to the actress Jennifer Garner and they have a daughter, Violet, 2. “Being a father made me look at this story differently. It took on an even deeper resonance, which I think greatly influenced the point of view of the screenplay. When I first read the book I was aware that bad things happen in the world. I wasn’t drawn to the story because of the subject matter of a child being kidnapped. Before I was a father I thought of something like this only in the abstract.

“If you asked most people what is the worst thing that can happen in the world, they would say terrible things happening to children. After I had a child it switched to be an emotional, visceral feeling. It’s a much more deeply felt issue for me now. Even the most saccharine television that has children in it I often find myself about to cry. All of a sudden it’s a much deeper issue. By that same token I don’t think I would have made the movie any differently if I had known about Madeleine McCann.” * Affleck had wanted to direct for some time and had read Gone Baby Gone,the fourth in the series of crime novels by Dennis Lehane (who also wrote Mystic River, which Clint Eastwood made into a film) about a coed team of Boston detectives.

“I sought out the book rights, got to writing with my high school buddy, Aaron Stockard, and last summer we started shooting, using nonprofessional actors as much as possible. We’d walk into a bar and say: ‘Nobody leave. We’ll buy your beer, just sit there’ and we’d set up cameras around them. I wanted to make a movie that looked like a great documentary with a rich gallery of characters.

“Casey was my first choice for Patrick [the private detective who works with his girlfriend, played by Michelle Monaghan]. Casey is 32 and I wanted him to create a baby-faced detective who’s constantly being mocked for his youthful appearance. He’s a very smart actor and I think we both benefited being brothers. One of us would see the wood, one of us would see the trees. We’ve been acting since we were kids and we somehow manage to arrive at the same page.” It was a labour of love that came in on a $19 million budget: the same as Good Will Hunting ten years ago. “So if you include inflation, this movie is much cheaper!”

Affleck seems almost preppie in a suit and crisp blue shirt, affable, cautious, serious. Boston-born and bred, he got into acting through his father being involved in a local theatre company and his mother’s best friend being a casting director. “Our mother still lives in Boston and she used to come on set while we were shooting but we had to stop her visiting because she made us feel like nine-year-olds. We felt like professionals until Mom came along!”

Affleck is circumspect on the exigencies of fame. “You do publicity. It starts off seeming more or less innocuous, talking about your film. Then more and more of your personal life slips out. Your private life gets traction and it sells a lot of magazines and all of a sudden you find yourself flying off into the woodchipper, like that scene in Fargo with the body in the grinder. It’s the price of your privacy going up in woodchips. You need a sense of humour and fairly thick skin in this business and I have a bit of both. Hey, at the end of the day I get to do my work. I like my life.”

He’d “love” to work with Garner “if she would work with me, but she might just want to work with a real director. And we’re going to have another baby soon now that we’ve figured out how to do it. We want lots of kids.”

So is he an actor or a director? He pauses for a moment. “I might do a little acting here and there, but not the sort of thing that’s likely to provoke major coverage. I’m trying to be smart, but it’s hard. I don’t want to do something if it’s not good. The trick is to just say no and wait, but I can only do that for a while.”

But he’s determined that the laddish, ladies-man Affleck of old is firmly consigned to the past. “I don’t think the Hollywood cover-boy stuff is something that you’ll see me doing now. I’ll do character roles. It doesn’t require the same kind of sacrifice, in terms of quality of life.” It looks as if the quality of Gone Baby Gone will finally bury the ghosts of Benneth and Bennifer.

* Nootje van mijzelf: dit is het wbt de opmerkingen over Maddy, die heb ik schuingedrukt gezet.
http://entertainment.time(...)m/article3976758.ece

Echt weer typisch de pers daar om dit uit zijn voegen/verband te rukken, hij heeft niet zijn excuses aangeboden dus en ook niet een heel interview over Maddy gegeven. Ik had begrepen dat het meisje in de film Madeleine zou heten, dat klopt dus ook niet, het is de naam van de jonge actrice zelf, in de film heet het kind Amanda, ze wordt dus uit haar eigen straat weggehaald, niet op vakantie, de opnames waren al klaar toen Ben van het geval hoorde en hij is zo kies geweest om de première uit te stellen.
Maar goed, alles om aandacht te krijgen niet waar......
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  maandag 26 mei 2008 @ 16:01:10 #271
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Gatverdegatver, dit maakt de Daily Express ervan, te erg, ik raad een teiltje aan :
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By Mark Stevenson HOLLYWOOD star Ben Affleck yesterday told how he had been emotionally affected by the Madeleine McCann case ahead of his new film mirroring the tragedy.

Studio bosses delayed the opening of his directing debut last year because the movie’s plot was so similar to the tragic real-life mystery of what happened to the youngster.

And as he prepared for Gone Baby Gone to finally reach UK cinema screens next month, the star revealed it would have been “insensitive” to release the movie as Madeleine’s parents made desperate appeals for information in Portugal.

Affleck, 35, said: “We had a greater concern for this young girl’s situation than we had for the release of our film.

“We didn’t want to release the movie if it was going to touch a nerve, provoke any sensitivity or inflame anybody’s sensibilities.”

Gone Baby Gone, which stars Morgan Freeman and Affleck’s brother, Casey, centres on two private detectives helping the investigation into a missing child. The actress playing the little girl, Madeline O’Brien, not only shares her first name with Madeleine McCann, but is said to bear a resemblance to her.

The film’s distributor, Buena Vista, said the movie was made the year before three-year-old Madeleine went missing in Portugal.

But they still took the decision to postpone its UK release. Affleck told the Scottish Sunday Express that having his own child, Violet, three years ago made him even more sensitive to missing Maddie’s case. He said: “This is a big transition for me in my life because I feel things more deeply – anything to do with kids.

“It just makes a big difference in my life, even watching saccharine television shows that are about
children can make me cry.
http://www.express.co.uk/(...)n-for-missing-Maddie

Botweg verdraaien, uit context halen en soms dingen in de mond leggen van Ben Affleck, hoe krijgen ze dit gedruk, dit gaat imho alle perken te buiten, zelfs over de rug van Hollywood acteurs moet Maddy nog in de pers gehaald worden, oh en valt het op dat de naam die het meisje heeft in de film conveniantly niet wordt genoemd? Dan is het effect natuurlijk weg, stomme riooljournalisten.
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  maandag 26 mei 2008 @ 16:49:47 #272
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En kijk nu eens, ze hebben weer een financier:
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Sale Sharks boss backs McCanns

The millionaire businessman who owns Sale Sharks is giving Madeleine McCann's parents financial support to help them fight the accusations they face concerning their daughter's disappearance.

Brian Kennedy is believed to be providing the couple with the support of his in house lawyer and their new spokesman Clarence Mitchell
The McCanns are formal suspects in the inquiry into Madeleine's disappearance in Portugal on May 3.

"In light of the quite literally incredible accusations against Gerry and Kate McCann, which are clearly exacerbating their emotional torture, I felt compelled to offer, along with other like-minded businessmen, financial support and the full logistical support of the Latium team" he said.

"This will relieve the McCanns of the daily pressure of co-ordinating the legal teams that will expedite the clearing of Gerry and Kate's names, allowing all parties to refocus on finding Madeleine."

Her parents insist the three year old was abducted while they ate at a nearby tapas bar with friends.

Mr Kennedy is estimated to be worth around £250m.

He made his money in double-glazing and home improvement ventures with companies including Weatherseal Holdings, Everest windows and Space Kitchens & Bedrooms.

He previously owned Stockport County Football Club before buying Sale Sharks in 1999.
http://www.thisischeshire(...)ss_backs_mccanns.php

Goed, ga er maar van uit dat er nog een vervolg komt op alle spin, maar dan nu in het kwadraat, pak de violen en de zakdoekjes maar vast.
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Op maandag 26 mei 2008 16:49 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
En kijk nu eens, ze hebben weer een financier:
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http://www.thisischeshire(...)ss_backs_mccanns.php

Goed, ga er maar van uit dat er nog een vervolg komt op alle spin, maar dan nu in het kwadraat, pak de violen en de zakdoekjes maar vast.
Dat had ik ook bijna geplaatst, ik herkende sommige stukjes en zag toen dat het een artikel uit 2007 25th September is, waarom dat in de headlines weer boven komt drijven is mij een raadsel. Tja over die film, het hoeft kennelijk niet allemaal waar te zijn, of feiten kloppen of niet, zolang Madeleine (of zelfs namen die er op lijken) er maar in voorkomt, wat kan het bommen. Volgende maand komtie in de UK, met als speciale gasten die avond de McConns....denk ik.

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  maandag 26 mei 2008 @ 22:49:30 #274
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Dames toch heeft jullie werk wel wat opgeleverd hoor ; lees dit eens : http://eendoodleuk.web-lo(...)/mccanns-hebben.html
FOK!'s rode weduwe.
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Op maandag 26 mei 2008 22:49 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
Dames toch heeft jullie werk wel wat opgeleverd hoor ; lees dit eens : http://eendoodleuk.web-lo(...)/mccanns-hebben.html
Uhm, dat is eigenlijk al tig keer gepost Tmaatje, het betreft hier het eerste interview met Kate en Gerry McCann met BBC-verslaggeefster Jane Hill op 25 mei 2007. Hier de volledige tekst (met commentaar van webmaster Nigel tussendoor) van een site met al het nieuws rondom deze tragedie:
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"The first interview with Jane Hill from the BBC - 25 May 2007

This interview is interesting as it is the first interview given by the McCanns after the disappearance of Madeleine. They had previously only given short, scripted statements.

Perhaps the most revealing question in the interview is this one:

Jane Hill: "I met people who didn't go to work for more than a week because everyday they were down on the beach, searching the streets. Did you, as a mother Kate, just sometimes think 'I've got to go and be out there with them. I want to go and just physically look as well."

Kate: (Pause) I mean, I did. Errm... (Long Pause) Errm, we'd been working really hard really. Apart... I mean, the first 48 hours, as Gerry said, are incredibly difficult and we were almost non-functioning, I'd say, errm, but after that you get strength from somewhere. We've certainly had loads of support and that's given us strength and its been able to make us focus really so we have actually, in our own way, it might not be physically searching but we've been working really hard and doing absolutely everything we can really to get Madeleine back."

What is significant in Kate's answer here?

Four things: Kate's displacement from the event, her inability to express what 'she' actually felt, an apparent, almost desperate, desire to promote a 'united' front and a reluctance to commit an answer to the question.

It is significant that she says "the first 48 hours, as Gerry said, are incredibly difficult". Her use of the word 'are' instead of 'were' is very revealing. It's as though she's quoting something that she has been advised by a counsellor. 'The first 48 hours are the most difficult'. What she has done here is displaced herself from the scene and is reporting on it, not from it.

It is also revealing how she uses the word 'you' and, again, shows her displacement. She says: "after that you get strength from somewhere". Why is she using 'you' in this sentence? The interviewer has asked her for her personal feelings. Why doesn't she say 'I got strength...' or 'we got strength...' Again, she is placing herself outside the event, looking in.

She uses the word 'we' six times in this brief quote because it would appear she's struggling to answer it, without revealing that she has never actually searched for her missing daughter. Use of the word 'we' and also 'us', which is mentioned twice along with Gerry's name, suggests she's trying to hide under a 'united' front. This suggests she feels vulnerable and needs the support from Gerry to continue. The overall impression given is that they are not individuals, with their own feelings, but a team who will not be diverted from the path they have chosen.

She also mentions the word 'really' three times, which could be interpreted as a conscious, or subconscious, desire to convince the interviewer, and those watching, that she 'really' is telling the truth.

It would appear from this passage that she's telling us, in a displaced way, how she thinks 'they' should feel, not how 'she' herself really did feel. Why? Is it because she is nervous in her first interview or could it be because she doesn't know how someone who has had their daughter abducted really feels?

Ultimately, Kate's answer, despite being wrapped in curious passages where she feels compelled to mention the support they've received, is quite shocking. The fact is, despite locals giving up work for a week to search the beach and streets for Madeleine, she has admitted that she never actually did any physical searching for her missing daughter.

The only other question directed to Kate, specific to the disappearance was this one:

Jane Hill: 'And then on that Thursday night, Kate, when you realised that she wasn't in her bed where you left her. Did you think even momentarily perhaps that she'd just woken up, wandered off of her own accord, perhaps?'

Kate: 'Not at all, no' (There is then a pause, where Jane Hill may well have expected Kate to elucidate the reasoning behind her bold answer but Kate doesn't say anymore - after an embarrassingly long pause Gerry takes over and answers the question) Link to complete Jane Hill interview here
Maar wat verklaarden de McConns op 30 april van dit jaar, uit een artikel in The Times: ""Kate and Gerry McCann tell today how they prayed through the dark, cold night that Madeleine went missing before going out on a desperate dawn search through the deserted streets of Praia da Luz." Uit een eerdere post. Nee, dat is het eerste wat je gaat doen als je kind weg is, de halve nacht bidden! Hou krijgen ze het uit de bek zou je zeggen....

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Anyway, Robert Murat, evenals de McCanns formeel verdachte maar verder uitgesloten voor verder onderzoek en heeft al z'n spullen terug, heeft nog geen uitnodiging ontvangen om aan de reconstructie deel te nemen, mogelijk is al besloten dat het niet doorgaat aangezien het team McCann het nut er niet van inziet maar ze zullen wel moeten, maar de Tapas-vrienden hebben al helemaal geen zin om mee te werken en zonder die laatsten heeft het al helemaal geen nut.
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Murat was not notified to the reconstruction of the alleged kidnap Diário de Notícias
José Manuel Oliveira
27/05/2008 (Thanks to 'Li' from the3arguidos forum for translation)

Robert Murat's lawyer guaranteed yesterday to the DN that he was not notified to participate in the reconstruction requested by the PJ for next Thursday concerning the events of the night of 3rd of May 2007. Nonetheless his client is available since as an arguido, "he will be obliged to present himself to any steps that he is legally notified of", he added.

"Till now I have no information. By now I would already have been notified, believing in the media that the 29th will be the date for the reconstruction" underlined Francisco Pagarete. And he questioned: "Or it will be on another date? And will a reconstruction take place?"

After insisting that "everything is equal" concerning the situation of Robert Murat and that "the Public Prosecutor is the one who knows what he has to do", the lawyer says that it is not strange that the arguido has not been notified to the reconstruction of the night Madeleine disappeared from the room where she allegedly sleep with her siblings, "since he was not in any of those places and the PJ knows that very well", he emphasised.

The big doubts are the friends of Kate and Gerry McCann, since as witnesses they are not obliged to be present and they will only return to Portugal if they want but the reconstruction will only be done if they come since their presence is essential. About the opinion showed by the McCanns that consider the reconstruction as a "useless" step, Pagarete prefers "not to comment". Nonetheless he observed: "I doubt that the Public Prosecutor will do any useless acts". To Murat's lawyer the only thing to do is "to wait for the end of the enquiry" reminding that after the extensions of the deadline since January of this year "I don't know how much longer this will last". "It would be pure speculation if I would advance with any date", he said. Bron
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En dan nog maar eens de vragen op een rijtje gezet, voor het nageslacht, voor als iemand op internet zoekt en opeens blijken veel blogs en fora verdwenen, behalve FOK! natuurlijk, wat zijn de kansen op de volgende stellingen:

WHAT ARE THE CHANCES? (Joana Morais)

Of an abductor entering an apartment through the door and exiting through the window?
Of a child being taken in the only 5 minute window of opportunity when there was nobody checking?
Of an abductor leaving no prints or DNA evidence?
Of an abductor hiding behind a door that opens against a wall?
Of a mother running away from the abduction scene, leaving two two-year olds exposed to the very same abductor?
Of patio doors being left unlocked, yet the parents being adamant that the child had not merely wandered off?
Of the parents staying in the apartment while everyone else searched long into the night for the 'abducted' child?
Of all the children, of all the families, falling asleep at approximately the same time, and of none of them waking up?
Of none of the group wearing watches or having their mobiles with them?
Of not taking your children to the restaurant with you because there was no buggy available?
Of having your wallet, sports bag and your child all taken - all in separate incidents within a few weeks?
Of a mother who said the "abductor" had moved cuddle cat, actually holding it and washing it when it could have had the "abductors" prints or DNA on it?
Of the parents of an abducted child to keep always forgetting to mention the £2m reward for her safe return during their TV appeals?
Of the finger of suspicion being pointed at another by three of the group, until the likeness to one of the group was observed?
Of the parents not sacking a detective agency who endangered the life of their child by announcing her location and her imminent rescue - on two separate occasions?
Of highly-trained forensic cadaver dogs and DNA analysts from the UK being mistaken?
Of a GP coming into contact with 6 dead bodies in the week before the holiday?
Of the GP bringing a "Cuddle Cat" to work with her and it thus acquiring the scent of death?
Of the Portuguese police offering a "deal" for which there is no provision under Portuguese Law?
Of the parents setting up a website within one week, and registering the child's eye defect as a trademark within 2 weeks of her disappearance?
Of innocent parents refusing to help the police by answering their questions and not immediately agreeing to take part in a reconstruction?

The combined police forces of two countries, plus Interpol...
Ex-SAS officers and 30 private detectives...
The backing of several millionaires,
and a £1m 'fighting fund' donated by the public...
A £2.5m reward on offer,
and an unprecedented 'awareness' campaign...
The unstinting support of the entire British media...
The world's best sniffer dogs and forensic scientists...
... and still not a single lead?

Still not a single clue turned up supporting the claim of abduction?

WHAT ARE THE CHANCES?
(many thanks to The Three Arguidos)
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  dinsdag 27 mei 2008 @ 15:25:54 #278
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Dat is echt een beetje against all odds als je dat leest, zo achter elkaar opgenoemd. Het is veel waarschijnlijker dat ze is gaan (slaap) wandelen en daar de verkeerde bi is tegengekomen of dat idd haar ouders er meer van weten, wat mijn gevoel is dat weet je zo langzamerhand wel maar dat er iets anders aand ehand is dan een ontvoering moge duidelijk zijn.
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Madeleine McCann: Bobby Hands, Cannes And A Hunger For Publicity



MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann

THE GUARDIAN: Cannes 2008: The final wordBobby Sands – The Movie. Grab the nachos and sit back:

As Leslie Felperin, the excellent reviewer for Variety magazine remarked to me: the newspaper-reading public can’t be persuaded to react in the same way: they care about Madeleine McCann in a serious mood, or in a non-serious mood, they care about Sir Alan Sugar or Simon Cowell. The idea of actually caring about a violent arthouse film investigating the life of Bobby Sands is a very tall order indeed.

Fact and fiction - the story of Madeleine McCann
http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/184311.html

Rondje Anorak is ook niet erg geinspireerd vandaag.
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  dinsdag 27 mei 2008 @ 15:32:20 #279
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Op maandag 26 mei 2008 17:53 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Dat had ik ook bijna geplaatst, ik herkende sommige stukjes en zag toen dat het een artikel uit 2007 25th September is, waarom dat in de headlines weer boven komt drijven is mij een raadsel. Tja over die film, het hoeft kennelijk niet allemaal waar te zijn, of feiten kloppen of niet, zolang Madeleine (of zelfs namen die er op lijken) er maar in voorkomt, wat kan het bommen. Volgende maand komtie in de UK, met als speciale gasten die avond de McConns....denk ik.

Hey, ik struin de sites af en post wat er staat, als ze dan nieuws gaan recyclen is het weer nieuws toch?

Ik denk niet dat de McCanns komen opdraven, ze moeten de schijn hoog houden dat Kate een fragiel poppetje is dat niets meer kan hebben, dan kun je ook niet een film over een ontvoerd meisje gaan kijken dat ook nog eens wordt gespeeld door een kindje dat Madeleine heet en in de verte op haar eigen dochter lijkt, alsof van een afstandje niet elke blonde kleuter op de andere lijkt, als Kate en Gerry hun eigen kind echter niet herkennen van welke afstand dan ook dan is er pas iets echt mis.
Als ik m'n achternichtjes een poosje niet heb gezien dan moet ik ook even goed kijken wie wie ook al weer is maar ik kan me niet voorstellen dat dit ook voor hun ouders geld, gewoon stemming maken idd.
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  dinsdag 27 mei 2008 @ 15:49:01 #280
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[quote]Op dinsdag 27 mei 2008 12:00 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Uhm, dat is eigenlijk al tig keer gepost Tmaatje, het betreft hier het eerste interview met Kate en Gerry McCann met BBC-verslaggeefster Jane Hill op 25 mei 2007. Hier de volledige tekst (met commentaar van webmaster Nigel tussendoor) van een site met al het nieuws rondom deze tragedie:
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Maar wat verklaarden de McConns op 30 april van dit jaar, uit een artikel in The Times: ""Kate and Gerry McCann tell today how they prayed through the dark, cold night that Madeleine went missing before going out on a desperate dawn search through the deserted streets of Praia da Luz." Uit een eerdere post. Nee, dat is het eerste wat je gaat doen als je kind weg is, de halve nacht bidden! Hou krijgen ze het uit de bek zou je zeggen....

Is dit werkelijk een vertaling van dat interview?
Ik vind de Nederlandse tekst veel kritischer dan de Engelse, kritischer dan alles wat ik tot nu toe gelezen heb.
Inderdaad, iedere moeder gaat toch zoeken naar haar kind maar goed.
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  dinsdag 27 mei 2008 @ 16:02:06 #281
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Op dinsdag 27 mei 2008 15:49 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:

Is dit werkelijk een vertaling van dat interview?
Ik vind de Nederlandse tekst veel kritischer dan de Engelse, kritischer dan alles wat ik tot nu toe gelezen heb.
Inderdaad, iedere moeder gaat toch zoeken naar haar kind maar goed.
Dat was volgens mij commentaar van een ned journalist/blogger op dat bewuste interview, we denken en het is ook gebleken nav die schadeclaim, dat de Britse pers een soort van kwaadspreekverbod heeft, dankzij de hooggeplaatste vriendjes van de McCanns wellicht? Het is toch vreemd dat de PM Brown vragen heeft gesteld in Portugal over een enkel vermist meisje?
Het is heel opvallend hoe er om de hete brij heengedraaid word en dat er plotseling goedlopende blogs/sites gesloten worden.
Dat een moeder niet op haar knietjes gaat zitten bidden als haar kind weg is moge ook duidelijk zijn, om nog maar te zwijgen over die muur van stilte en onwil om mee te doen aan een reconstructie.
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Op dinsdag 27 mei 2008 15:49 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
[quote]Op dinsdag 27 mei 2008 12:00 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Is dit werkelijk een vertaling van dat interview?
Ik vind de Nederlandse tekst veel kritischer dan de Engelse, kritischer dan alles wat ik tot nu toe gelezen heb.
Inderdaad, iedere moeder gaat toch zoeken naar haar kind maar goed.
Nou ja, ik heb een letterlijk transscript geplaatst van dat eerste gegeven interview van Jane Hill met de McCanns en dat lijkt mij meer duidelijk en ook 'dodelijk' naar het publiek toe dat er niet is gezocht, ze waren druk met van alles behalve met zoeken en een jaar later verklaren ze de halve nacht gebeden te hebben. Hoe verknipt kan je zijn.
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Slecht nieuws, voor wat het waard is natuurlijk, het komt van 24 Horas:
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Judge doesn’t allow reading of the McCanns' SMS 24horas (no online link yet available) (Een meer uitgebreid artikel op de site van Joana Morais)

27/05/2008 (Thanks to 'Luz' from the3arguidos forum for translation)
The PJ wanted to know what was on the written messages exchanged by the McCanns and their friends on the previous and actual day of the disappearance of the little girl

The Public Ministry and the PJ inspectors responsible for Maddie's case are not allowed to read the contents of the cellular messages sent and received by the McCanns in the subsequent moments to the disappearance of the English child.

The access by the PJ to these was refused by the Relation Court of Evora, by an "Acordão" (decision) to which 24horas had access, and where it is invoked the legal guarantees of reserve upon the life privacy and the secrecy of telecommunications.

This is the first judicial decision about the Maddie case to be appreciated by judges on a higher Court.

A few days after Kate and Gerry were heard by the PJ and made arguidos, in September, last year, the General Republic's Prosecutor on Portimão, Magalhães e Menezes, asked the judge of the process to solicitate to the three national mobile telephone operators to send the digital support of the "complete lists of phone traffic for the sent and received calls" referent to 10 mobile numbers, between April 28th and Seotember 9th, 2007.

The listing, according to the prosecutor, should “include the location of the cellular and traceback, as well as the calls in roaming and SMS and MMS messages and its content”.

The analysis of this data would allow the police, at least, to reproduce the tracks of Kate, Gerry and friends that spent their holidays with them at the Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz, in the days immediately prior and following to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The investigators are particularly curious about the contents of the 18 text messages sent from a cellular phone, not yet identified, to Gerry McCann, between May the 2th and the 4th, 2007, and about all the communications among the group between 20:00h on 3rd of May and 12:00h the next day.

The Judge didn’t authorise

The request presented by Magalhães e Menezes started by being refused by the Instruction Criminal Judge of Portimão Court that, through a dispatch "didn’t authorise the sent of the digital support (CD or DVD) of the contents of any message sent or received by SMS or MMS concerning all the phone numbers".

According to the judge's understanding, this access "would mean to become aware of any phone communication already made without the necessary previous judicial authorisation". This is not allowed in the Portuguese law.

Not conformed, the Public Ministry presented an appeal to the Evora Relation Court in the attempt to open another opportunity: to preserve the "reserve of the intimacy of the private life of the interlocutors" the messages should be first analised by the Instruction Judge that would evaluate it's contents and their possibility of having them used as means of proof".

The Relation decision – Acordão- , signed by the Judge Fernando Ribeiro Cardoso, also sets aside this possibility. "The contents of the messages can only be object of interception on real time, with the necessary judicial authorisation", the document refers, adding, that the simple existence of such registers or tapings would configurate a violation of the law. Bron
Ja ja, maar de Mobile records van Robert Murat zijn destijds wel nagegaan, how about that! Ik weet niet wat er aan de hand is, wie en wat staat er onder druk, wát is zo belangrijk wat betreft de inhoud van dat telefoonverkeer? Als ze onschuldig zijn, wat is dan te verbergen??? Deze juridische beslissing lijkt me komen van de haarkloverij van die dure advocaten in de UK, zij zitten alleen maar uit te zoeken hóe te voorkomen dat de McCanns zoch moeten verantwoorden. Allemaal mooi en ook hun werk maar daarmee is tevens uitgesloten dat er ooit echt wordt uitgezocht wát er met Madeleine is gebeurd, het allerbelangrijkste dacht ik zo... En verder is het niet toevallig dat dit bericht nú wordt gepubliceerd, de komende reconstructie, overmorgen of de dag daarna, waarvan we nu al weten dat deze natuurlijk niet doorgaat.

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Surprise!!!
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Reenactment of Madeleine's Disappearance Cancelled due to Absent Intervenients (Joana Morais)

The reenactment of the facts relative to the disappearance of the English child Madeleine McCann, appointed for Thursday and Friday, was cancelled due to the absence of four of the intervenients, informed today the General Procuracy of the Republic (PGR).

According to a note of the PGR, the diligence "won't happen" due to "the previously announced absence" of four friends of the McCanns who spend holidays in the tourist resort of Praia da Luz, Algarve, at the time that the child disappeared, on the 3rd of May of 2007.

Kate and Gerry McCann showed willingness to participate in the reenactment of their daughter's disappearance, but their friends put in question the validity and the proposed model.

"Basically, it's not up to Gerry and Kate [the making of the reenactment] because they are arguidos and, if their presence is requested, they will go, they have to go", guaranteed recently the spokesman of the couple, Clarence Mitchell, to the Lusa News Agency.

"Everything depends on their friends, who were also invited to go but, since they are not arguidos, they have a right of questioning the usefulness of the exercise and whether it will help to find Madeleine - and at this moment the answer seems to be it will not ",he said.

A reenactment of all the steps given by the parents and the friends present at that time was suggested by the Judiciary Police (PJ) about a month ago, first through the McCann's lawyers and then through individual notifications.

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Joana Morais meldt verder over het cancelen van de reconstructie:
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A Police source connected with the investigation told to Expresso that they were not aware of the PGR's dispatch, however he denied that the cancellation was a surprise. The same source showed interest again in staging the day of the crime, but said that the next step is up to the Public Ministry: "The PJ will speak with the Public Ministry, to know if they'll advance with the accusation or not and if it is really essential to do the reconstitution at all", he guaranteed.

Remember that the Judiciary Police had already admitted that the reenactment would only make sense with the presence of all the witnesses, as well as of the couple McCann. In declarations to the Expresso, the police source admitted at the time the PJ could be facing a "game of push" in which the witnesses, would coordinate their periods of unavailability in order to annul the possibility of doing the reenactment with everyone present, as requested by the PJ.

Source: Expresso
Note: The request in order for the McCanns and the 7 friends to be present in the reconstitution was done in the rogatory letters sent, some months ago, to the United Kingdom. In those documents the diligence was explained and it was guaranteed to all that the expenses would be «in charge of the Portuguese State».

Wat een bull allemaal. Ik mag hopen dat PM Gordon Brown en z'n vriendjes (hij is al vet uit de gratie gelukkig) gauw van het toneel verdwijnen, want hij heeft mede een rol gespeeld bij het traineren (bepaalde mensen in Portugal onder druk gezet) van het onderzoek. Niet dat het nu nog zal helpen, maar geeft een zekere genoegdoening aan mensen die zich intens met de zaak hebben bezig gehouden in zowel Engeland alswel Portugal. Op zoek naar waarheden, op zoek wat er werkelijk is gebeurd met Madeleine McCann op die fatale avond in Praia da Luz. Iets wat journalisten in de UK ernstig hebben verzuimd...

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  dinsdag 27 mei 2008 @ 20:50:23 #284
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Suko, het stuk bewijst wel dat jullie niet alleen staan met je twijfels..., dus hou vol..
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Op dinsdag 27 mei 2008 20:50 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
Suko, het stuk bewijst wel dat jullie niet alleen staan met je twijfels..., dus hou vol..
Tmaatje, ik vermoed dat hele volksstammen wel weten dat de McCanns schuldig zijn aan op z'n minst neglect en als gevolg daarvan dat Madeleine niet meer leeft, ik ga al zover dat ze zelf schuldig zijn aan de dood van Madeleine, met of zonder behulp van die vrienden of een aantal, al of niet met opzet.

Anyway, Sky News komt als eerste Britse krant met de canceling van de reconstructie: Breaking News

Madeleine Reconstruction Abandoned
Updated:20:28, Tuesday May 27, 2008

"Portuguese police have abandoned plans for a reconstruction of the events surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, say Sky sources. It is understood that the event planned for later this week has been cancelled because several members of the so-called "Tapas Seven" are unable to be there. Sky's Martin Brunt said: "It has been reported in Portugal that the attorney general's office has announced that the reconstruction, which was planned for Thursday and Friday this week, is not going to go ahead now." "The reason given is that four of the Tapas Seven, for one reason or another, are not able to be there."

It is the second time it has been put off and Madeleine's parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, have always been reluctant to take part. Brunt explained: " It was only a request from the Portuguese police, not a demand.

"The McCanns felt that many months ago their own suggestion of a reconstruction had been turned down."They felt that there would only be a good reason to hold such a reconstruction if it was used as a widely televised appeal for help and information."

Nonsens, de McConns wilde er een soort CrimeWatch-event van maken wat natuurlijk betekende dat ze zelf buiten schot bleven. Opzouten Brunt!

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En de telegraph meldt, ook zo'n 'fijne objectieve nieuwsgierige onderzoekende' Britse krant:
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Kate and Gerry McCann have decided not to return to Portugal to take part in a reconstruction of events on the night Madeleine went missing.
By Caroline Gammell Last Updated: 7:18PM BST 27/05/2008 (bron)
The couple believe a re-enactment will do "absolutely nothing" to help find their daughter, who was three when she vanished from the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in May 2007. Mr and Mrs McCann, who are arguidos or suspects in their daughter's disappearance, had been asked by Portuguese police to return to the Algarve along with the seven friends on holiday with them at the time.

Detectives wanted to stage a reconstruction at the Ocean Club complex where the McCanns were dining, leaving Madeleine and her younger siblings in the unlocked apartment nearby. But the couple, from Rothley in Leicestershire, have decided not to go back.

A source close to the McCanns said: "There are no plans for Kate and Gerry and their friends to return to Portugal. They have all indicated their intentions to the police. "The reconstruction will only take place if Kate and Gerry and their friends agree to take part. If they don’t agree it will not happen.

"Kate and Gerry have had grave reservations about the value of it. If the reconstruction was going to help Madeleine, nothing in the world would stop them taking part. "But Kate and Gerry and their friends cannot see the point of all the disruption it would cause to their busy work schedules and families if, as they believe, it will do absolutely nothing to help find Madeleine."

The couple's spokesman Clarence Mitchell said yesterday: "Kate and Gerry and their friends remain committed to doing anything to help find Madeleine. "I don’t want to comment on what they have told police but, if they do not return to Portugal, it is because they feel it offers no value and no assistance in finding Madeleine."

Mr Mitchell said that if the reconstruction was televised with the chance of bringing in new leads the McCanns and their friends would agree to do it. He went on: "They would welcome a Crimewatch-style reconstruction which is properly broadcast for millions of people to see and could generate important new leads and fresh information." But Portuguese police said they did not want the reconstruction to be filmed.
Ach ja, zo jammer dat de McScams niet als hoofdrolspelers in de spotlight 'mogen' komen om snikkend de hele wereld wéér te smeken naar Madeleine uit te kijken en vooral het nummer van Metodo 3 te bellen....etc etc etc.

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Laat ik vandaag ook maar beginnen met Anorak, terecht wordt opgemerkt dat het afblazen van de reconstructie geen voorpagina-nieuws is, naar mijn mening omdat het té pijnlijk is en slechte publiciteit voor de McConns, tussendoor commentaar van Anorak zelf:
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No front–page coverage of Madeleine McCann today, folks. But she remains a regular feature of the UK press, like horoscopes, the TV guide or Victoria Beckham’s skin.DAILY MIRROR: “Tapas 7: We won’t go back”

It’s the Mirror’s “MADELEINE EXCLUSIVE”. The news is – as Anorak reported last night – that the Tapas Seven (surely the Sangria 7? –Ed) will not be returning to Portugal to take part in a reconstruction of the night Madeleine went missing.

A source says: “They were asked informally to return, then asked again in an official letter last week. After some consideration they decided not to go back. They were concerned it would not be televised, and were bemused as to why it was happening so long after Madeleine disappeared.”

And who would play Madeleine? Her? Her? What about “Look Into My Eyes”, a TV talent show search for a Madeleine fronted by Trevor McDonald and GMTV?

Remember Kelsey: “Mummy, I could play Madeleine. I look just like her’”?

THE SUN: “No re-run for Maddie cops”

What does Lorraine Kelly think? It was she who said:

How could someone put their infant child forward as a Madeleine lookalike with the idea of making money? The child obviously has to be around the same age as Madeleine.

Is a Madeleine needed? After all, she is missing…

Unless it was to specifically aid the campaign, how could they all live with themselves for making money out of the tragic disappearance of a little girl?

It makes you recoil to think a lookalike agency would have a Madeleine on their books alongside someone who looks like Jack Nicholson or Paris Hilton.

Disgusting! To think that Maddy should be with the likes of Jack the lads or Hilton makes our flesh turn cold. It’s nothing less than sick.

DAILY MAIL: “Madeleine reconstruction scrapped after ’suspicious’ McCanns refuse to return to Portugal to take part”

The Mail has the details: The McCanns are “both doctors.”

Says a Source: “They also question why it was not to be televised and why police just want the nine and not other holidaymakers and staff to take part.”

GLASGOW DAILY RECORD: Says Clarence Mitchell:

“The friends had a number of serious questions about the value of the reconstruction and what it would do to help find Madeleine. After some discussion, they have informed the Portuguese authorities they do not intend to go back.

“Gerry and Kate have not refused to go back. They were aware of their friends’ view and they are now not needed for the reconstruction. There were a number of serious questions. For instance, why did they want to hold a reconstruction more than a year after the event?

“Why was the reconstruction not to be televised? That would have generated new leads and information but if it is not televised, how on earth is that going to help find Madeleine? Why did they only want the nine people back? Why didn’t they ask all the other holidaymakers back?

“Frankly, the police and the authorities in Portugal did not answer the simple question: what will this do to help find Madeleine?”

Do the police have to televise their police work to make it valid?

Madeleine McCann TV: are you sitting comfortably?
En Clarence Mitchell op de BBC: "Police had invited Kate and Gerry McCann back to Praia de Luz, Portugal, along with the so-called Tapas Seven. But the friends had "serious questions" about the value of the reconstruction, Mr and Mrs McCann's spokesman said. Spokesman Clarence Mitchell said the McCanns had not refused to go back but had been aware of their friends' views and were not now needed by the police." Net op BBC-Breakfast kwam duidelijk naar voren dat de schuld bij de Tapas 7 werd gelegd voor het cancelen van de reconstructie. Wat natuurlijk onzin is, als de McConns wel waren gegaan waren die vrienden zeker ook gegaan. Het is duidelijk wie hier de touwtjes in handen heeft/hebben.

Ik zeg het nog maar een keer: "Als ze er geen voordeel van inzien om mee te doen aan de reconstructie dan zijn ze ook niet nieuwsgierig naar de omstandigheden waaronder Madeleine kón verdwijnen. Ik bedoel, het publiek wordt na al die tijd toch ook nog steeds opgeroepen om naar Madeleine uit te kijken? Dan kan op z'n minst een reconstructie na een jaar best plaatsvinden, kan zomaar een herinnering (bij wie dan ook) oproepen die ergens nog verstopt zat, waarheidsvinding, óók voor de betrokkenen, áls ze echt onschuldig zijn... Misschien zijn ze wel bang dat getuigen aldaar iemand herkennen uit de groep McCann, op tijdstippen toen, op die bewuste avond, scary...

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Joana Morais én (met de nick xklamation) op het 3arguidoforum:
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Correio da Manhã : Public Prosecutor assumes the Murder Hypothesis

Case near to conclusion
Dispatch - McCanns arguidos by murder, abandonment and cadaver concealment.

It's the first Judicial dispatch not covered by the secrecy of justice which assumes that the investigation to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has suspicions of the crimes of murder, exposition, abandonment and hiding the cadaver.

Not on-line yet
Ook een gedachte die mij zeer aansprak, de Site Admin bjr van het 3aguidoforum:
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I am sorry I don't care if Gerry goes to work, Kate has highlights and the whole tapas group meet up and have a burger at McDonalds. I am not interested in what they do, they have proven their worth to me by not agreeing and going to the reconstruction.

I feel the PJ have played a clever one here, they have shown them up for what they really are, now if they decide to get heavy handed and come over and arrest the lot, the public will be on the side of Justice. Because they have seen first hand that this group of people have no interest whatsoever in helping to find Madeleine. If they had any interest and if they really had nothing to hide, they would have been there, back in Portugal doing the reconstruction, at the first date the PJ ever mentioned.

Also remember this reconstruction has already been played out with officers using their statements, yes the statements that each and everyone of them gave, and the pieces did not fit. They gave them a chance to return to clarify why the pieces didn't fit, they refused to go so on their own heads be it.

The game has just begun, but nothing in this world will make anybody with an ounce of common sense still think this lot are innocent. They have proved to the UK and the world that it has never been about Madeleine it has always been about them.


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  woensdag 28 mei 2008 @ 11:41:17 #289
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Goedemorgen, .

Suko, je bent lekker bezig, leuk om te zien dat zelfs de pers dit niet op de voorpagina wil zetten, dit is idd geen goede reclame voor de McConns.
Het is echt hun eigen keus om die inconsistancies niet op te helderen, hun verklaringen kloppen niet en dus kon de PJ geen bevredigende reconstructie doen, als ze dan niet willen dan is het gewoon eigen schuld als er iets van komt.
Ik denk dat ze zo willen voorkomen dat ze opgepakt gaan worden als ze ook maar 1 voet binnen Portugal zetten, immers de neglect zaak staat nog gewoon, ik zat echter eens te denken, als ze de arguido status betreffende haar verdwijning opheffen dan zegt dat toch niets over die neglect zaak? Ze kunnen dat in theorie gewoon weer op nieuw gearresteerd worden en verdachte gemaakt worden voor die andere aanklacht, namelijk verwaarlozing? Of zit ik nu raar te denken?

Het rondje Anorak van vandaag, let vooral eens op de commentaren:
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Madeleine McCann: No Portugal Return, Maddy TV And Paris Hilton
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann

No front–page coverage of Madeleine McCann today, folks. But she remains a regular feature of the UK press, like horoscopes, the TV guide or Victoria Beckham’s skin.DAILY MIRROR: “Tapas 7: We won’t go back”

It’s the Mirror’s “MADELEINE EXCLUSIVE”. The news is – as Anorak reported last night – that the Tapas Seven (surely the Sangria 7? –Ed) will not be returning to Portugal to take part in a reconstruction of the night Madeleine went missing.

A source says: “They were asked informally to return, then asked again in an official letter last week. After some consideration they decided not to go back. They were concerned it would not be televised, and were bemused as to why it was happening so long after Madeleine disappeared.”

And who would play Madeleine? Her? Her? What about “Look Into My Eyes”, a TV talent show search for a Madeleine fronted by Trevor McDonald and GMTV?

Remember Kelsey: “Mummy, I could play Madeleine. I look just like her’”?

THE SUN: “No re-run for Maddie cops”

What does Lorraine Kelly think? It was she who said:

How could someone put their infant child forward as a Madeleine lookalike with the idea of making money? The child obviously has to be around the same age as Madeleine.

Is a Madeleine needed? After all, she is missing…

Unless it was to specifically aid the campaign, how could they all live with themselves for making money out of the tragic disappearance of a little girl?

It makes you recoil to think a lookalike agency would have a Madeleine on their books alongside someone who looks like Jack Nicholson or Paris Hilton.

Disgusting! To think that Maddy should be with the likes of Jack the lads or Hilton makes our flesh turn cold. It’s nothing less than sick.

DAILY MAIL: “Madeleine reconstruction scrapped after ’suspicious’ McCanns refuse to return to Portugal to take part”

The Mail has the details: The McCanns are “both doctors.”

Says a Source: “They also question why it was not to be televised and why police just want the nine and not other holidaymakers and staff to take part.”

GLASGOW DAILY RECORD: Says Clarence Mitchell:

“The friends had a number of serious questions about the value of the reconstruction and what it would do to help find Madeleine. After some discussion, they have informed the Portuguese authorities they do not intend to go back.

“Gerry and Kate have not refused to go back. They were aware of their friends’ view and they are now not needed for the reconstruction. There were a number of serious questions. For instance, why did they want to hold a reconstruction more than a year after the event?

“Why was the reconstruction not to be televised? That would have generated new leads and information but if it is not televised, how on earth is that going to help find Madeleine? Why did they only want the nine people back? Why didn’t they ask all the other holidaymakers back?

“Frankly, the police and the authorities in Portugal did not answer the simple question: what will this do to help find Madeleine?”

Do the police have to televise their police work to make it valid?

Madeleine McCann TV: are you sitting comfortably?
Goh, en hoe komt het nu dat het onderzoek zo traag verloopt? Remember the rogatory letters? Wie hebben er successievelijk onwaarheden verteld en dingen lopen verzinnen? Wie heeft er meteen de pers ingelicht met alle details zelfs over haar oog, iets wat ten zeerste was afgeraden? Wie zijn er gedurende het onderzoek ineens naar GB vertrokken? Wie hebben er hooggeplaatste vriendjes ingeschakeld om (excusez le mot) hun konten schoon te praten?
Hopelijk is wat die persoon in jouw link van het 3Arguido-forum een juiste voorspelling, laat de PJ dit maar opvatten als teken van schuld, ze hebben de kans gehad om alles op te helderen.
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Op woensdag 28 mei 2008 11:41 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Goedemorgen, .

Suko, je bent lekker bezig, leuk om te zien dat zelfs de pers dit niet op de voorpagina wil zetten, dit is idd geen goede reclame voor de McConns.
Het is echt hun eigen keus om die inconsistancies niet op te helderen, hun verklaringen kloppen niet en dus kon de PJ geen bevredigende reconstructie doen, als ze dan niet willen dan is het gewoon eigen schuld als er iets van komt.
Ik denk dat ze zo willen voorkomen dat ze opgepakt gaan worden als ze ook maar 1 voet binnen Portugal zetten, immers de neglect zaak staat nog gewoon, ik zat echter eens te denken, als ze de arguido status betreffende haar verdwijning opheffen dan zegt dat toch niets over die neglect zaak? Ze kunnen dat in theorie gewoon weer op nieuw gearresteerd worden en verdachte gemaakt worden voor die andere aanklacht, namelijk verwaarlozing? Of zit ik nu raar te denken?

Het rondje Anorak van vandaag, let vooral eens op de commentaren:
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Goh, en hoe komt het nu dat het onderzoek zo traag verloopt? Remember the rogatory letters? Wie hebben er successievelijk onwaarheden verteld en dingen lopen verzinnen? Wie heeft er meteen de pers ingelicht met alle details zelfs over haar oog, iets wat ten zeerste was afgeraden? Wie zijn er gedurende het onderzoek ineens naar GB vertrokken? Wie hebben er hooggeplaatste vriendjes ingeschakeld om (excusez le mot) hun konten schoon te praten?
Hopelijk is wat die persoon in jouw link van het 3Arguido-forum een juiste voorspelling, laat de PJ dit maar opvatten als teken van schuld, ze hebben de kans gehad om alles op te helderen.
Hoi, collega-poster Kahaarin! Goh, daar zeg je me wat qua arguido-status opheffen ivm de verdwijning van Madeleine en dan alsnog in de boeien slaan aangaande neglect... Not sure, maar ze zijn arguido verklaard omdat ze geen vragen meer wensten te beantwoorden, iets wat je in eerste instantie wél moet als getuigen. Je kunt trouwens je zelf ook arguido verklaren, gek genoeg. Of dat kan worden teruggedraaid, ik denk 't niet. Eerst nog een zooi antwoorden geven en dan volgt er mogelijk een rechtszaak áls er reden is tot vervolging. Opmerkelijk blijft dus dat de McConns onlangs niet zijn verhoord in de UK, mogelijk was dat niet meer nodig en heeft de PJ genoeg bewijs tegen het stel, en waren alleen de statements van de Tapas 7 noodzakelijk. Dat die verhoren zolang op zich lieten wachten was niet alleen dus de schuld van het Britse Home Office maar mogelijk moest er tijd worden ingeruimd zodat de vrienden tot aan de komma konden repeteren wát ze hebben verklaard in Praia da Luz, iets wat ze zeker op papier hebben staan. Een paar foutjes en ze waren waarschijnlijk ook arguido gemaakt, wegens tegenwerking van de rechtsgang oid...Vandaar de reconstructie, klaarblijkelijk kán het niet kloppen wat ze als timeline hebben opgegeven. Maar verder snap ik de ballen van die Portugese wetten hoor...

Wat betreft die eerdere constructie in oktober 2007 waar Site Admin bjr het over heeft, op dit Blog wordt een en ander verklaard:
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A reconstruction has already been done.

It was in a certain silence, even a certain indifference that the first reconstruction was done in October 2007. A reconstruction, in criminal language, means bringing back together all the elements and players in the case and putting them back into the circumstances of the crime or offence, allowing a complete view of the events. This is not possible on paper, where many of the details would not be clear enough. Thus a reconstruction allows the details to be revealed more clearly. Now, a first reconstruction has already been done last October with all the elements and the people present in Praia da Luz on May 3rd between 18.30 and 22.40. Only the principal players were not present. It was valuable. In fact, now the PJ has a clear view of what happened or rather of, "who did what," and above all, "where and at what time," precisely."

Perhaps the Public Prosecutor will be willing to allow the PJ to proceed with the case based on what was discovered during this previous reconstruction in October 2007. When the PJ state that the planned reconstruction with the principal, "players," Kate and Gerry and friends, would allow them to compare the points of view of witnesses and suspect, perhaps this is where the comparison would be made, between details gleaned from witnesses in the previous re-enactment, and that including the Tapas Nine.

So, what now? The McCanns are still official suspects in the enquiry and the PJ consider the reconstruction to be necessary. Four of those who were present on the evening of Madeleine's disappearance are unable to attend and participate in a reconstruction. You'd think the McCanns, who vowed to, "leave no stone unturned," in the search for their child, would be begging their friends to participate in anything which might have the remotest chance of helping to discover what had happened to that child. I don't think I'd be ready to accept, "Sorry, I can't make it," if this had been my child.

The McCanns were made arguidos and departed pretty sharpish on the next available plane, promising to returns when requested to do so by the PJ, the Tapas seven have stated that they would be willing to help in any way, yet none of them look as though they making any great shakes to get their asses over there to the Algarve. Public opinion turning against the McCanns? That seems to have happened quite some time ago and, in my opinion, the only way to restore some of that would be to book a flight to Portugal and to do their best to persuade their friends to accompany them. What could possibly be more important than participating in something which may help to resolve the disappearance of a very young child, however useless they might think it is?
Overigens zeggen die vrienden én de McConns dat ze ook andere getuigen hadden willen zien tijdens de reconstructie, ik had al geopperd dat ergens gelezen te hebben dat er zeker wél meerdere getuigen zouden zijn en ja hoor, if true of course, The Times April 8, 2008:
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"Madeleine McCann’s parents, family friends and other holiday-makers have been called back to Portugal to participate in a reconstruction of the night she disappeared, Times Online has learnt. Detectives want to replicate the events at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz on the evening when Kate and Gerry McCann reported their eldest daughter had been abducted. They have asked dozens of people to attend the event after the completion of a series of interviews with key witnesses which started today."


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Het vervolg van mijn eerdere post:
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In Correio da Manhã this morning:

Ruling: McCanns arguidos over death, abandonment and concealment of a cadaver
Public Ministry assumes suspicions of homicide

This is the first judiciary dispatch that is not covered by the judicial secrecy, that assumes that the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann contains the suspicions of crimes of homicide, exposure, abandonment and concealment of a cadaver.

Those were the criminal indices that were imputed to Gerry and Kate and over which they were made arguidos. The ruling, dated April 29, and emitted by the Relation Court of Évora, concerns the Public Ministry’s request to gain access to the SMS and MMS messages that were sent and received over ten different telephone numbers, before and after the disappearance of the English girl.

The judge said no, and the superior judges have confirmed the decision that had been made by the First Instance at the Portimão Court, that the PJ would only have been able to access those elements if they had requested real time listening operations. This means that for the text messages that were sent and received before the 3rd of May, the authorities should have requested that type of operation to collect evidence even before the child disappeared.

According to the ruling, the PJ and the Public Ministry had requested the three national mobile phone operators (TMN, Vodafone and Optimus) to send them, on a digital medium (CD or DVD), the complete listings of the telephone traffic of calls that were made and received during the period of time that is comprehended between the 28th of April, 2007, and the 9th of September, 2007.

They also wanted the cellular positioning of the devices and the trace-backs (which allow for the devices to be localized, and to be included into a certain radius during precise time periods), as well as the roaming calls.

The authorities have supplied the judge with ten telephone numbers that should be verified, and also requested another number to be identified. From that number, Gerry had received 14 text messages and another four messages on the day that followed Madeleine’s disappearance, the contents of which the investigators wanted to know. The judge has not accepted the request.

Fundamental forensic evidence

The arrival of the first forensic results was fundamental for the turnaround in the investigation. It was based on that initial data from the English laboratory that the investigators constituted the McCanns as arguidos. The parents stopped being victims and became suspects, in a climate of great tension. The report that stated that the residues that were found in the car that was driven by the couple, matched the genetic profile of the English girl, was important. But the data was not determinant.

Gonçalo Amaral spoke about death

Gonçalo Amaral, the coordinator of the Polícia Judiciária in Portimão, who was in charge of the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine, has always defended the thesis that the little girl died on the 3rd of May. The investigator, who has in the meantime distanced himself from the police force and now prepares to write a book, believed that the child died on the evening of the disappearance, in a domestic accident, and that her family proceeded to conceal the cadaver. In his book, he promises to divulge details from the process that are still not known.

Investigation runs into the reconstitution

The reconstitution of the moments that preceded the disappearance of Maddie, on the 3rd of May, 2007, is not going to take place anymore.

The diligence was scheduled for tomorrow and Friday, but the announced absence of four friends of the McCann couple, whom were on holidays in Praia da Luz in May last year, has prompted the Republic’s General Prosecutor Office to cancel the reconstitution.

The diligence was ‘annulled’, the PGR [General Prosecutor’s Office] has confirmed in a note. It is recalled that Kate and Gerry showed themselves available to take part in the reconstitution of the disappearance of their daughter Maddie, but their friends questioned its validity and the procedure that had been proposed.

According to what the spokesman told Lusa, ‘it is not for Gerry and Kate McCann the fulfilling of the reconstitution because they are arguidos, and if their presence is requested, they will go, they have to’.

Clarence Mitchell ‘blames’ the friends, whom he understands to have ‘the right to question the utility of the exercise, and whether it’s going to help to find Madeleine McCann: the answer at the moment seems to be no’.

Prosecutors with different understandings

The prosecutor at the first instance and the one at the Relation Court have different understandings. The first one asked for access to the messages. The second one, a joint general prosecutor, defended the pure and simple uselessness of the appeal. The panel of judges confirmed his ruling.

(...) Bron Astro
Met commentaar van Astro zelf:
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"I'd like to add my tuppence on this somewhat sensationalistic article from Correio da Manhã. I have read the ruling from the Court in Évora, and the ruling does indeed mention that the investigation is focused on the crimes of abduction, homicide, exposure or abandonment of an underaged child, and concealment of a cadaver. It does, however, not specify that any specific person(s) is suspected of any of these crimes.

The fact that the McCanns are arguidos in the process, does not necessarily or immediately tie them to any accusations whatsoever. I think it can hardly be argued that they are suspected of the abduction of their own daughter, as well as it can hardly be argued that a potential abductor would be accused with abandoning the child.

Therefore, and while not daring to tell anyone what to think, I do urge you to take this into consideration, before you jump to conclusions after reading this article. As usual, the fact that I translated and posted the article, does not mean that I endorse its contents in any manner.
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Ook The Times komt met een versie van het bovenstaand verhaal, waarom de McConns toen arguido's zijn verklaard en waarop het onderzoek zich richt "The first published court ruling on the Madeleine case confirms that the police inquiry covers homicide, abandonment, concealment of a corpse and abduction."

Clarence Mitchell reageerde als volgt: "We are pleased to see that the investigation covers abduction. Kate and Gerry have had legal advice in both Portugal and Britain which say that everything they did was within the boundaries of reasonable behaviour.” He said that Mr McCann had no knowledge of the texts referred to on May 3 and 4 and had received only a few calls on his mobile in the six days the family had been in Portugal prior to Madeleine disappearance."

Niet te geloven, ze zijn blij dat ook ontvoering wordt genoemd, (de rest telt niet...) dat hoeft de McConns zelf als daders natuurlijk niet uit te sluiten en de rest watie zegt... Er zijn ladingen foto's met Kate en vooral Gerry in Praia da Luz waarbij de mobile zowat aan het oor is vastgeplakt. Afijn, het is 'verheugend' dat The Times meer op de zaak zelf ingaat en ook het transscript publiceert waarom er geen gebruik kan worden gemaakt van de Mobile records, helaas... Gisteren al bekend gemaakt in 24 Horas. Zie ook de reacties op het 3arguidoforum.

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Een artikel in 24 Horas beschrijft wie van de Tapas 7 weigerden aan de reconstructie mee te doen: "Amongst the motives for the refusal, the 24 Horas discovered that it was the fact that Jane Tanner, Russel O'Brien, Rachel and Matthew Oldfield were afraid of being constituted as arguidos." Bron Joana Morais.

Allemaal goed en wel, blijft een feit de McCanns weigerden af te reizen, iets wat ze aldoor hebben laten weten, alleen als de status van formeel verdachten (Arguido) wordt opgeheven waren ze er toe bereid waar naderhand de wens van een CirmeWatch-event werd toegevoegd. Ik geloof er dus niks van dat de schuld bij alleen die vrienden moet worden gelegd. Het is spin die al maanden aan de gang is. Ze gaan voor neglect als dat de enige kans is om jarenlange procedures aan te gaan, ook dat hebben we al tijden kunnen lezen. De rest is bollocks, afleidings-tactieken etc. etc. Nou weet ik niet of die 'weigerachtige' Tapas-luitje in de UK ook vanuit Portugal Arguido verklaard kunnen worden, maakt ook niet uit, dan hebben ze zwijgrecht en is van enige medewerking ook door hen uitgesloten. IMO is de zaak behoorlijk dichtgetimmerd, ondanks dat er mogelijk bewijs te over is.

Ook een poster op het 3arguidoforum meldt iets in die richting:
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"A regular feature of this whole case is that we often get very worked up about an issue that distracts us from the real one. Usually it's something that Clarence has orchestrated (although more likely, one of Kennedy's team.)

We are all working ourselves into a state of great annoyance about the Tapas7. Or rather, 4 of them, who capsized the reconstruction. The reason the reconstruction didn't happen is because the McCanns had no intention of going.

Whether 4 of the friends explicitly said they would not go, or someone did so on their behalf (which I think is more likely), the bottom line remains that it was decision of the McCanns not to go. And they are the ones we should be angry about. I can think of a number of relatively innocent reasons why the friends didn't want to go. There is no innocent reason why the McCanns did not. So forget the friends until we know more. The McCanns should be in our principal line of fire.
Waarop vervolgens iemand schrijft:
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"You are of course totally right. We all knew the MuckScammers would never return to Portugal. What better than once again to blame someone else, de rigeur for the McCanestons:

Mr Gerry: "Oh we'd have gone but RO'B was having his head bleached, Fiona was having a nose transplant, Manpilly was down at the Deed Poll office trying to register a sensible name and David was busy marketting his Spot the Difference Between Me and Murat on a Dark Night in Luz rubber masks".


Ook Anorak kopt kranten die eigenlijk (zoals verwacht) alleen gaan over neglect, daaraan is ook al af te lezen dat de copieermachine van Mitchell overuren maakt. En zeiken over die Mobile phone records is makkelijk he, kunnen we toch niet inzien. Allemaal bull!

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Op donderdag 29 mei 2008 10:18 schreef Suko het volgende:
Een artikel in 24 Horas beschrijft wie van de Tapas 7 weigerden aan de reconstructie mee te doen: "Amongst the motives for the refusal, the 24 Horas discovered that it was the fact that Jane Tanner, Russel O'Brien, Rachel and Matthew Oldfield were afraid of being constituted as arguidos." Bron Joana Morais.

Allemaal goed en wel, blijft een feit de McCanns weigerden af te reizen, iets wat ze aldoor hebben laten weten, alleen als de status van formeel verdachten (Arguido) wordt opgeheven waren ze er toe bereid waar naderhand de wens van een CirmeWatch-event werd toegevoegd. Ik geloof er dus niks van dat de schuld bij alleen die vrienden moet worden gelegd. Het is spin die al maanden aan de gang is. Ze gaan voor neglect als dat de enige kans is om jarenlange procedures aan te gaan, ook dat hebben we al tijden kunnen lezen. De rest is bollocks, afleidings-tactieken etc. etc. Nou weet ik niet of die 'weigerachtige' Tapas-luitje in de UK ook vanuit Portugal Arguido verklaard kunnen worden, maakt ook niet uit, dan hebben ze zwijgrecht en is van enige medewerking ook door hen uitgesloten. IMO is de zaak behoorlijk dichtgetimmerd, ondanks dat er mogelijk bewijs te over is.

Ook Anorak kopt kranten die eigenlijk (zoals verwacht) alleen gaan over neglect, daaraan is ook al af te lezen dat de copieermachine van Mitchell overuren maakt. En zeiken over die Mobile phone records is makkelijk he, kunnen we toch niet inzien. Allemaal bull!
Volgens mij knijpt Mitchell hem een beetje, hij is iets te hard aan het ontkennen, dat hebik hem nog niet eerder zien/horen doen op deze manier.
Op Sky zijn ze minder subtiel, daar noemen ze dat wel:
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Gerry Denies Receiving Mystery Texts

Gerry McCann has denied he received a string of mystery texts the day before his daughter disappeared in the Algarve.


Kate and Gerry McCann

According to court documents issued by Portugal's supreme court, police applied to seize his phone records after learning of the alleged messages.

Investigators claim 18 text messages were sent to Mr McCann from an unidentified number around the time Madeleine vanished in Praia da Luz on May 3 last year.

It is alleged that 14 messages were texted on May 2 and four more on May 4.


But the McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said Gerry had no knowledge of the texts and received a handful of calls on his mobile in the days before his daughter disappeared.

The documents reveal that public prosecutor Magalhaes e Meneses also sought access to text and phone messages from 10 mobile telephones thought to belong to the McCanns and seven of their friends.

He also asked for a full list of all the calls made between the group from when they arrived in Portugal on April 28 and when the McCanns left on September 9.

But the supreme court issued a detailed ruling rejecting the application.


(Als je niet te verbergen hebt dat vraag je een nummerspecificatie aan en geef je die gegevens zelf af.)

It also revealed that Kate and Gerry McCann could face charges of neglecting their daughter on the night she disappeared.

The police inquiry also covers possible abduction, homicide and concealment of a corpse, the documents say.

But Mr Mitchell emphasised the court papers did not mean such a charge would materialise.

He said the couple vigorously denied neglecting Madeleine and welcomed the fact that abduction was also being considered by detectives.


Madeleine went missing last year

He said: "This court document outlines the areas of the investigation and in no way suggests Kate and Gerry will be facing any such charges.

"Equally we have heard nothing officially to suggest any such area of investigation is being considered.

"However, we do note that abduction is apparently one of the parameters and we welcome that because that is what Kate and Gerry and their friends have said and that is what happened.

"If there is any suggestion of neglect charges being considered that will be vigorously denied because the legal advice that Kate and Gerry have received both in Portugal and Britain is that legally speaking everything they were doing that week was well within the bounds of responsible parenting."


A neglect charge carries a maximum penalty of 10 years. But it is understood for such a charge to stand up the prosecutors would have to show the McCanns intended to neglect Madeleine.
http://news.sky.com/skyne(...)317466,00.html?f=rss
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Zo, zo, alweer een kritische noot van The Sun, Clarence Mitchell, lees je mee?
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McCann re-make is vital The Sun (No online link, appears in paper version only) (bron) 29/05/2008
Kelvin MacKenzie (Editor of the Sun 1981-1994)
I am puzzled at the refusal of the McCanns to fly to the Algarve today for a police reconstruction of the night Madeleine disappeared. It is said they are suspicous of police motives and do not believe it will help find their daughter.

Are they really the best placed people to make that decision? after all, they remain the leading suspects in the case and despite Portuguese police handling the investigation badly, the law remains their best hope for justice. Already the McCanns have tried worldwide publicity - including roping in the pope - and that didn't work.

They have taken the public's money and spent it on £50,000-a-month private detectives, and that certainly hasn't worked. Those with decent memories may well recall these private eyes claiming they would have Madeleine home by christmas.

So why wouldn't the Mccanns and the Tapas seven try one more throw of the dice ? according to a "friend", it would have disrupted their family and business schedules. Their "schedules" have already been disrupted and tragically will remain so for as long as Madeleine remains missing.

Could I urge them to have a change of heart and co-operate with the police. Until they do so my personal jury will remain out.
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Goeiemiddag Kahaarin, deze mededelingen op Sky zijn zowat in alle kranten verschenen, en wat Clarrie benadrukt dat ze blij zijn dat ook ontvoering in het onderzoek is meegenomen. En ze wisten allang dat die Mobile Phone records en textberichten niet in het onderzoek werden meegenomen, iets wat op 2008.04.29 door de rechter is beslist, zie transscript. Natuurlijk, als ze niks te verbergen hebben hadden ze zelf alle gegevens verstrekt maar dat is niet het geval, zoals ze weten sinds eind april. Reken maar dat hun Portugese advocaten deze wetten op hun duimpje kennen én bespreken met hun collega's in de UK.

Nu kunnnen de McConns volop weer de kranten vullen zoals dit artikel in The Mirror: Gerry and Kate McCann's fury after 14 texts slur"A source close to them said: "They have had their phone records available for inspection for months. But the police never asked for them. And now they have formally asked, they have been refused. "Any suggestion of Gerry receiving 10 texts the day before Madeleine disappeared are utter rubbish "He hardly used his phone during the holiday and most of the friends with them didn't even have mobiles. (wat een zooi onzin!!!!) "The only time his phone rang was when work called and he explained he was on holiday. There are no mystery texts. Gerry has nothing to hide. It's yet more nonsense coming from Portugal." Police also applied to see the phone records of the friends that Gerry and Kate were on holiday with."

Nah, deel ons dan vrijwillig mee wat er in die texten staat die wel zijn ontvangen en verstuurd, nothing to hide he?! Vrienden haast geen mobieltjes in kun bezit?...bij mijn weten is zeker in die nacht heel wat afgebeld, door iedereen. Ook een Tapas-vriend had nog zo'n schattige video met de mobile geschoten op weg naar Portugal:
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TODAY the parents of missing tot Madeleine McCann have released heart-rending video clips of their daughter, captured on a friend's mobile phone as they set off on their fateful holiday. 28/ 5/2007
(Bron inclusief filmpje)

Overigens zijn de Britse cops ook op hoogte: "The newspaper claims Mr McCann and Mr O'Brien will be interrogated about the phone call next week in Britain. This information came to light in a meeting between Portuguese and British police in Leicester last week. Former Surrey Police detective and child protection expert Mark Williams-Thomas was present at the summit. He said to the newspaper in Portugal: "The mobile phone data was secured by British experts in the 10 days after Madeleine dissapeared. Although not initially analysed, in has now been and will provide vital information." The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell declined to comment." 07 december 2007 Daily Mail

Maar dat de telefoons ook naderhand werden afgeluisterd was ook wel bekend: "Friends of Dr Matthew Oldfield, an endocrinologist at Kingston Hospital in south-west London who was dining with the McCanns when Madeleine went missing on May 3, have told The Sunday Telegraph he is sure his mobile phone is being bugged. Gerry McCann is reported to have told friends: "The police are listening to every word we say."

The eavesdropping has proved particularly distressing to the McCanns, with one Portuguese newspaper claiming secretly recorded evidence has convinced detectives that the couple believe their daughter is dead." Uit een eerdere post op 16 sept. 2007 En las een tijdje terug dat de McCanns zelfs alleen nog buiten telefoneerden want ze dachten dat alles gewired was in huis, wat me wel logisch lijkt. Afijn, voorlopig worden de lezers weer lekker beziggehouden met een mogelijke kwestie van alleen neglect, maar dat dit onderdeel is van "abduction, homicide, exposure or abandonment of a child, and concealment of a corpse" vergeet Clarence Mitchell maar even. Het is allemaal zooooooooo voorspelbaar. Ze kunnen weer weeeeeeeeeeeeeeken vooruit.

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[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door Suko op 29-05-2008 17:42:58 (woord vergeten) ]
  donderdag 29 mei 2008 @ 20:05:43 #296
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Ik probeer het me voor te stellen, maar het lukt me gewoon niet. Stel dat ik onterecht beschuldigd wordt van betrokkenheid bij de dood of verdwijning van mijn dochter. Dan zou ik toch dolblij zijn met alles wat mijn onschuld zou bewijzen. Lees mijn SMS'jes maar, hier is mijn telefoon. Doe er mee wat je wil! En ik zou al mijn vrienden overhalen om hun telefoon ook af te geven. Alles om maar te bewijzen dat ik er niks mee te maken heb.

Maar nee, in plaats daarvan weiger je je medewerking en ga je ook nog als een klein kind lopen mokken. Maandenlang hebben jullie er niet om gevraagd en nu krijgen jullie ze ook lekker niet meer. Sliep uit
Onbegrijpelijk.
Als je goed om je heen kijkt zie je dat alles gekleurd is.
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Op donderdag 29 mei 2008 20:05 schreef livelink het volgende:
Ik probeer het me voor te stellen, maar het lukt me gewoon niet. Stel dat ik onterecht beschuldigd wordt van betrokkenheid bij de dood of verdwijning van mijn dochter. Dan zou ik toch dolblij zijn met alles wat mijn onschuld zou bewijzen. Lees mijn SMS'jes maar, hier is mijn telefoon. Doe er mee wat je wil! En ik zou al mijn vrienden overhalen om hun telefoon ook af te geven. Alles om maar te bewijzen dat ik er niks mee te maken heb.

Maar nee, in plaats daarvan weiger je je medewerking en ga je ook nog als een klein kind lopen mokken. Maandenlang hebben jullie er niet om gevraagd en nu krijgen jullie ze ook lekker niet meer. Sliep uit
Onbegrijpelijk.
Heerlijk zo'n reactie, iedere oprechte en natuurlijk ook onschuldige ouder zou vanaf het begin ALLE medewerking hebben gegeven, op zoek naar hun kind, maar dat is dus in dit geval volstrekt niet aan de hand. Daarom is het zo'n media-spektakel, die de ouders met behulp van mensen op hoge plekken zelf hebben opgezet, en waarom vraagt ook iedereen zich af. Wie en wat moet er zo heftig beschermd worden, speculaties alom maar niemand heeft nog echt de vinger op het verhaal kunnen leggen. Nog afgezien van bescherming van eigen carrières, dat lijkt me iets te siimpel maar is toch niet uitgesloten, vergeet niet dat die vrienden ook worden verdacht van het alleen laten van hun kinderen en dus ook de kans lopen hun kinderen kwijt te raken. ---------------------

En dan nog een artikel van Duarte Levy (sosmaddie.dhblogs.be), vertaling van een poster op het het 3arguidoforum
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Investigators wanted to research tapas 10

"The refused access to the content of the messages received by Gerry McCann before and after the disappearance Madeleine, together with the refusal of the tapas nine to return to the Portugal, will not prevent the inspectors in the progress of their investigation," said a person in charge of the Judicial Police after disclosure yesterday of the decision of the Court of the Relation of Évora.

According to the same source, with their access to the content of the written messages received by Gerry McCann, "the investigators wanted to confuse the 10th person in question, that the police knows to be linked to the matter".

Certain inspectors speak even mention the 10th tapas.

The existence of a tenth person, is known to Gerry and Kate McCann, is in fact equally known to a member of the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) "the officers sent to the Portugal even had suggested some possibilities among the British that live in permanence the region of Algarve".


Yesterday, the Court of the Relation of Évora came to support the decision of the criminal examining magistrate of Portimão, Pedro Frias, that had forbidden the access to the content of the written messages (SMS) received by Gerry McCann.

According to the document, the dad of Madeleine McCann received 14 written messages May 2, the day before disappearance of his girl, from a telephone with unidentified number. The same number is at the origin of 4 other messages that Gerry McCann to received after the disappearance.

Gerry and Kate McCann always refused to supply the investigators the content of the messages, but this did not prevent the police obtaining these pieces of information.

To use the content of this information, notably in a process, that will be the decision of the criminal examining magistrate.

According to the same document, the first part to be made public regarding investigations of the Judicial Police, after the disappearance of Madeleine, carry well on the eventuality of the crimes of abandonment, endangered, homicide and corpse concealment.

As a reminder, the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) and the police of the Leicestershire, collaborated in the investigation of Portuguese authorities, as confirmed by Patricia Scotland, Minister of State and Attorney General for England and the Country of Wales.

If the decision of the judge prevents the usage of the previous data to the disappearance of Madeleine, she did not prevent the investigators of examination of the calls and the inspectors know what was spoken.

Gonçalo Amaral, replaced by the inspector Paulo Rebelo, had equally the occasion to proceed to the listen telephone after the disappearance of Madeleine and while the couple and friends were still located in Portugal. Once the couple and friends returned to the United Kingdom, the PJ waited for permission from British authorities to continue the work, but it is again uncertain if all the news could be communicated for them.

According to the interpretation given by the criminal examining magistrate of the Court of 1ª instance of Portimão, Pedro Frias, to the Portuguese legislation, confirmed by the Court of Relation, the investigators could only use the obtained data in real time. In the practice, it would have been necessary to the investigators to obtain an authorization before the disappearance of Madeleine.

Pedro Frias did not refuse the usage or the access to all the listings and recordings which where carried out in the framework of the investigation, but it does not grant to the investigators the right to use the content of the sharp SMS received by the couple McCann before May 3 2007.

The Public Ministry and the Judicial Police wanted to request the three operators of mobile communication centres – TMN, Vodafone and Optimus – the listings under digital support (CD or DVD) for all the communications concerning the couple and their friends for the period of April 28 to September 9 2007.

The urgency to let the picture pass of “tapas 7" united and solid

The announcement made by the General Prosecutor of the Republic (PGR) regarding the cancellation of the reconstruction required by the Judicial Police, indicating that this decision was the consequence of the refusal of four friends of the parents of Madeleine to carry out their return trip to Praia da Luz,

The cancellation was not a surprise, however, the confirmation by the PGR that it would be the four witnesses to refuse to participate officially with Portuguese authorities raises a question: why the others three have' accepted, without any condition, to cooperate with the Portuguese authorities?

The question becomes more bothering, especially after information arrived in the British media, that the person in charge in communication of the couple McCann made no delay in informing finally "the whole group did not want to return to the Portugal]".

Without any attack from the office of the Prosecutor, the specialist continue to manipulate the media by having them justify their actions of the McCann’s and their friends, wanting to calm the public opinion and let the picture of a solid and united group pass against the Portuguese police, forgetting freely that the investigation is about the disappearance of MADELEINE MCCANN.


(Published on May 28 on duartelevy.livejournal, available initially to subscribers)
Dat verhaal van die 10e persoon is al een tijdje een discussiepunt, of is die misschien de sleutel van dit (IMO) drama, er zijn verschillende namen genoemd: formeel verdachte Robert Murat (hij woont er permanent), John Geraghty (A 68-year-old businessman from Leicestershire who now lives on the outskirts of Praia da Luz. Offered to store the McCanns’ hire car so that they could commission independent forensic tests, The Times), John Corner (peetoom van de twins, de McCanns verbleven in zijn villa in Praia da Luz, mede-producer van docu's over Madeleine, geruchten over pedofiele connecties), of iemand van de Britse overheid en daarom de connecties, of zelfs geldschieter/ multimiljonair Brian Kennedy hij woont niet aldaar maar betaald wel zowat alle gemaakte kosten, en heeft met Murat gesproken, zie eerdere post en hier, ook wordt al tijden gesuggereerd dat hij (ook Brian Kennedy misschien) die fatale avond, nog voor het alarm werd gegeven, de Algarve per privé-vliegtuig had verlaten, met wat...

En wordt er in het artikel over 4 van de 7 Tapas-vrienden geproken, die niet wilden meewerken qua reconstructie, inmiddels is al bekend wie dat zijn: Russell O’Brien and his partner Jane Tanner, Rachael and Matthew Oldfield. Dus zou je idd kunnen stellen dat de overige 3: Fiona and David Payne, and Mrs Payne’s mother Dianne Webster wél wilden meewerken, ondanks dat Clarence Mitchell van de daken schreeuwt dat de hele groep hun nut er niet van inzag. Tja...

Nou ja, zoiets dan, op deze zwoele donderdagavond met een dreigende donderbui boven 't hoofd, voorteken...?

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  vrijdag 30 mei 2008 @ 14:36:45 #298
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Goedemiddag!

Pak je zakdoekjes maar vast, insert violen:
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'Kate and Gerry will search for Madeleine to the end of their lives, if that's what it takes'

Madeleine McCann

29 May 2008
By Sheena Hastings
WHEN Clarence Mitchell was a BBC reporter, breaking news tended to follow him around, like the time he was driving along the M1 and the Kegworth air crash happened right in front of him.
After leaving TV to join the Government's Media Monitoring Unit in 2005, his first week saw the G8 in Gleneagles, London winning the 2012 Olympic bid, and the disastrous events of 7/7 in the capital.

During his decades in radio and television –which included early years at BBC local radio in Sheffield and Leeds before working on-screen at Look North – he'd covered long-running stories like those of Fred and Rose West, the murder of Jill Dando, and the disappearance and killing of schoolgirl Milly Dowler. He'd also been deputy to royal correspondent Jennie Bond, part of the team covering Princess Diana's death and funeral.

But there have been weeks in the last nine months when Mitchell's face has been seen on news bulletins even more than it was during his time in television.

Zeg dat wel, tot vervelens toe, zelden met iets zinnigs

He is spokesman for the McCann family, still searching for little Madeleine 391 days after her disappearance from their holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, where she and her twin siblings were sleeping while their parents dined with friends 50 yards away at a tapas restaurant.

Still searching? Op de avond zelf hebben ze anders niets gedaan, behalve praying and hoping that she would be found.

Mitchell, who has a wife and three young children of his own, was plunged back into the centre of a worldwide news story when he was sent out by the Government to Praia da Luz to give assistance in managing the media in late May, three weeks after the three-year-old went missing.

Waarom? Waarom heeft vanaf dat moment de overheid er zich al mee bemoeid?

Arriving at the resort, he found at least 40 TV crews and about 300 newspaper reporters camped outside the McCanns' apartment. Interest in the story showed no signs of abating, local police
were giving nothing away, and rumour and speculation were running rampant.

En wie heeft er verklaring na verklaring de pers in geslingerd? Wie heeft er lopen spinnen als niemand anders, de PJ beschuldigd en het onderzoek afgekraakt?

Public donations were pouring in to the Madeleine McCann Fund. The Pope saw Gerry and Kate McCann's suffering on TV, and let it be known via Westminster Cathedral that he would see the two Roman Catholics if they requested an audience.

Tuurlijk, is meer zinvol dan samenwerken met de Portugezen of posters ophangen.

Clarence Mitchell set about making arrangements, calling in an offer of the use of a private jet made by retail tycoon Philip Green. The couple subsequently toured Europe, publicising their search, then immersed themselves in the effort of ensuring that Madeleine's image reached the furthest-flung corners of every continent. A mob followed wherever they went.

Ja want een ontvoerder zal een meisje dat zo in het nieuws is ook echt en plein publique overal mee naar toe tronen.

Many judgments have been made about the McCanns on the basis of their appearance and demeanour during the early days of the ongoing ordeal. Mitchell says they were advised by police and others to remain calm and impassive in front of cameras, as some abductors are known to get a thrill from the visible distress they cause to families.

Er was ook gezegd details over haar uiterlijk zoals haar oogje niet te onthullen en gevraagd of ze zich een beetje op de vlakte wilden houden zodat de PJ haar werk kon doen.

Of course, all sorts of inferences were drawn as a result – Kate and Gerry were too controlled, Kate was perceived to be too "icy" by some. She was damned if she did twitch with emotion and damned if she didn't. When she did eventually break down during an interview on Spanish television, Mitchell says the carping voices condemned her "crocodile tears".

All the while, vile and false accusations of involvement in Madeleine's disappearance (and worse) were flying about, and continue to be aired on the internet, despite the salutary £555,000 damages paid to the Find Madeleine fund recently by Express Newspapers for publishing grossly defamatory comments about the couple.

Hoe kan het toch dat er hele volksstammen zijn die hen verantwoordelijk houden?

The unprecedented international media interest in the Madeleine McCann story was a demanding beast that was not being fed by the regular press conferences that would be part of such a case in the UK.

" It was made out to be the biggest 'conspiracy' since the Diana 'conspiracy,'" says Mitchell. "Some of the group (of friends in the tapas restaurant) had their watches on that night, and others didn't... asking nine people to give exact explanations of what happened at what moment during the evening was never going to produce matching stories; what would have been more suspicious was nine exactly co-ordinated accounts."

Maar fabricaties zoals die man die met Maddy zou hebben gelopen en uiteenlopende tijdslijnen zijn verder niet verdacht of zo? Of het mysterieuze verdwijnen van het geheugen bij sommigen?

Ex-pat Robert Murat, who lives close to the Ocean Club holiday complex was made an "arguido" or official suspect (and remains so); then in September last year both Kate and Gerry McCann were also made arguidos, and as such were sworn to silence about the investigation but allowed to return home to Rothley, Leicestershire on bail conditions.

Wie zouden er ook weer in PdL blijven totdat ze was gevonden?

Their arguido status has just been extended for a further three months, despite the fact that "not a shred of evidence" has been put forward against them, says Mitchell. Portuguese police have until November at the latest to lay charges or lift the arguido status and close the investigation as unresolved, he says.

Daar zijn de meningen over verdeeld.

Gerry McCann went back to work as a cardiologist at the beginning of November. Kate, formerly a part-time GP, looks after twins Sean and Amelie. With the help of friends and family, the couple run the Find Madeleine campaign, answering letters, emails and phone calls, devising strategy and posters, and occasionally giving interviews.

Heel zelden idd.

Clarence Mitchell, who was sent back to London after a month-long stint in Portugal during which he forged a solid friendship with the McCanns, was not taken on as their spokesman until September last year, and was frank that he could not do it unless his Government salary could be matched.

Cheshire-based double-glazing millionaire Brian Kennedy, who had already offered to pay the McCann family's legal costs, said he would match Mitchell's earnings package of nearly £75,000, so that it would not drain cash from the £1.2m in public money donated to find Madeleine.

Hij krijgt dus gewoon een overheidssalaris voor de onzin waar hij nu mee bezig is, betaald door een miljonair om het Maddy fund te ontzien, waar is in godsnaam al dat geld dan heengegaan?

Mitchell spends two or three days a week in Rothley (put up for free by a sympathetic local hotelier), a couple of days dealing with the media in London, and weekends at home with his family.

At the height of the earlier media furore and again more recently, around Madeleine's fifth birthday and the TV documentary about the McCanns and their search for their daughter, Mitchell's phone is constantly buzzing, with missed calls stacking up by the hundred. Each event has also caused a spike in "sightings" and possible leads from the public.

How do the couple cope with regular claims that a small blond girl like Madeleine has allegedly been seen on a plane, train or in the street somewhere from Brazil to Morocco? "They don't invest their emotions in these claims unless they hear something more substantial from our own investigations or from the police in the country in question.

Leaving no stone unturned was het toch?

"Normally, we get a tip-off and have ruled out the story before the press have even had wind of it. For each 'sighting' you've heard about, there are quite a few more that people never know about because they are knocked down so early on." The McCanns have had contact from about 3,000 mediums and psychics alone.

En nog steeds geen spoor van Maddy, rara hoe kan dat?

"Some of the claims include very specific information – flight numbers, car registrations, that sort of thing – and anything that is verifiable we do check out." Keeping Madeleine all over the papers all of the time is not necessarily helpful, says Mitchell.

Nee, maar wel precies wat ze wel doen, dat verjaardagspartijtje, die docu, de statements, dat mag allemaal wel maar verder moet de pers met zijn handjes over elkaar blijven zitten tot zijne majesteit CM met een bot komt en dat naar de pershonden toegooit, daarna moeten ze weer braaf af op hun plaats.

"Sometimes we need things to be a bit quieter, and certainly if we had a strong lead, it would be mad to publicise it and let the abductor know that we're on the case."

The Madeleine McCann Fund pays £8,000 a month retainer to a Barcelona-based private detective agency with contacts all over the world, although the Fund allows for the agency to be paid up to £50,000 a month, should investigations require it.

En wat hebben die precies bereikt?

The couple say they will leave no stone unturned, never give up until they find Madeleine.

"They are not stupid; they know she may be dead... But in the absence of any evidence that she is dead, they continue to believe she will be found alive. They will search to the end of their lives, if that's what it takes."

* kahaarin Zakdoekje pakt.

Gerry and Kate McCann have plainly stated their regrets and remorse, says Mitchell. "But I defy any parent to say they have never had their child go out of their sight briefly. They got it wrong, and they're not trying to justify what they did, other than saying they made a mistake."

Nee, en ze gooien ook niet met beschuldigingen naar de leiding van het onderzoek.

Their faith gives them strength, as does a close family and public support ("So many people emailed after the documentary and apologised for getting the wrong idea about Gerry and Kate earlier on..."), says Mitchell.

Neither Gerry or Kate McCann is allowed to discuss ongoing investigations into what happened to Madeleine, or their opinion of how efficient Portuguese police have or have not been in searching for her.

Nee natuurlijk niet, ze zijn verdachten.

But, within the confines of a system of judicial secrecy which outsiders find absolutely baffling, those close to Madeleine are having to operate their own search with virtually no inkling about whether they are duplicating work done by others, as no information has been shared.

Nogmaals, ze zijn verdachten.

The officer in charge of the Portuguese investigation was recently in Leicestershire to reinterview the "Tapas Seven", as the group who holidayed with the McCanns have been labelled. Kate and Gerry heard not a word, says Clarence Mitchell.

Hallohoo, ze zijn verdachten!

Following criticism in Portugal of the time spent on the case of one missing child, there are fears that perhaps little has been done lately to find Madeleine.

Mitchell can't comment. "All I can say is that there's a lot going on at our end that you don't know about, and Kate and Gerry are very focused. They are pushing hard for an 'amber alert' system to be introduced Europe-wide, which would kick in as soon as a child goes missing; we are following up any verifiable lead; we are pushing legally to get the arguido status lifted. And if the Portuguese police do close the file, we can apply to see the information."

Wat een toewijding, wat een focus, helaas voor Maddy allemaal gericht op eigen eer en glorie.

In the meantime, friends and family pray, Sean and Amelie call Madeleine on their toy phones, and there's a skyscraper of fifth birthday presents awaiting her return.

Speaking about Madeleine

Clarence Mitchell will speak at a seminar during Leeds Business Week, being held at Leeds Town Hall at 10.30am on Monday, June 2. Admission free. The organisers will make a contribution to the Madeleine McCann Fund.

Want er is nog niet genoeg geld over de balk gesmeten aan dodgy investigations en eledged poster campaigns?

Find Madeleine investigation line 0845 838 4699; email:anonymous@findmadeleine.com; website www.findmadeleine.com
Sorry, moest even mijn gal spugen, lucht wel op.

Edit: Sorry, bron: http://www.yorkshirepost.(...)ll-search.4131043.jp
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Hajo Kahaarin en de rest. Ik las dat artikel vanmorgen ook voordat ik wat nuttigs ging doen, en was blij dat ik het ontbijt al binnen had. Eén grote promo omdat Clarence Mitchell en z'n kornuiten zeer op de hoogte zijn (iets wat ze hebben laten weten in die docu over Madeleine, gamaakt door die dubieuze vriend Joh Corner), wat er op fora en blogs over de McConns en hun vrienden wordt geschreven en ook over hemzelf. Ha ha, ik moest met een vergrootglas je commentaartjes tussendoor ontdekken maar eenmaal op het netvlies was ik het natuurlijk met je eens. Zou die verslaggeefster wel de school voor journalistiek hebben doorlopen????Maar eigenlijk was deze tearjurker ook een aanloop naar zijn eerder aangekondigde praatje op 2 juni in leeds, zie eerdere post. Hij is zo ongeveer God in PR-Media-Manipulatie-Spin...etc etc la-la-la-land, de UK, een voorbeeld voor een komende generatie van hele enge mensen, IMO.

Onderstaande uit het artikel, leest wat zorgelijk, hopelijk worden ze tzt toch in de kraag gevat en in het cachot gedonderd, anders vrees ik dat ook de buitenwereld blijvend lastig wordt gevallen met die geldverslindende nonsens...
"They are not stupid; they know she may be dead... But in the absence of any evidence that she is dead, they continue to believe she will be found alive. They will search to the end of their lives, if that's what it takes."

Moet verder ook nog naar nieuws kijken, eerst de innerlijk mens versterken...

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Blij dat er bloggers en posters zijn die elke stukje tekst bestuderen (wat tenslotte Clarence Mitchell óók doet in zijn stukjes naar de media), Nigel van mccannfiles.com merkt vandaag scherp op:
Mitchell backtracks on previous statement about watches
"Mitchell said he was not surprised by the inconsistencies in the initial accounts. 'You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile phones, and absolute panic set in when they realised what had happened.
The Guardian 06 April 2008"

Inderdaad, was ik even vergeten dat ik dat ook eerder heb gepost: "Waarbij het natuurlijk verbazingwekkend blijft hoeveel er niet klopt in dit verhaal van met name Clarence Mitchell. Alleen al dit stukje: "Mitchell said he was not surprised by the inconsistencies in the initial accounts. 'You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile phones, and absolute panic set in when they realised what had happened." Zum kotzen...

En dan in het lange artikel uit de Yorkshire Post van gisteren door Kahaarin vandaag geplaatst is het opeens: "It was made out to be the biggest 'conspiracy' since the Diana 'conspiracy,'" says Mitchell. "Some of the group (of friends in the tapas restaurant) had their watches on that night, and others didn't..."

Hij en de zijnen weten heel goed hoe dat verhaal over dat niemand die fatale avond horloges droegen en geen mobiles bij zich hadden totaal is neergesabeld op Internet. Elke krant heeft ook timeslines gepubliceerd, wie en wanneer checkte de kids. Zelfs Jane Tanner in de BBC-docu over wanneer ze Kate hoorde roepen dat Madeleine weg was: "I'm not sure, it'd be ten'ish, around ten'ish." En verderop zegt ze: "Well if you ask nine people about events of the night you're probably going to get nine slightly different stories, and you're not clock watching, you're not... you know, we were having a meal, you're not..." En dan Gerry: "Gerry McCann says he went at just after 9 to check on his children." WAT een BULL allemaal...

Voor mij is wel duidelijk dat Mitchell iets zit 'goed' te praten wat in eerste instantie al een leugen wás. Wij moeten maar geloven dat ze eerst allemaal 's avonds die horloges afdoen, afgesproken of zo en dan nu opeens niet allemaal?! You are a lying bastard Clarence Mitchelll!!!

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En dan vandaag een stukkie in The Sun, inderdaad gepikt uit een uitgebreider stuk van 24 Horas die daar gisteren mee kwam, vertaald door Joana Morais :
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'Suspect' fears of Tapas 7
FRIENDS of Maddie McCann's parents refused to return to Portugal because they feared being made suspects as well.

All the "Tapas Seven" pals of Kate and Gerry were asked by Portuguese cops to take part in a reconstruction. But at least four — Jane Tanner, Russell O’Brien and Rachael and Matthew Oldfield — blocked the move, says Portuguese paper 24 Horas.

Like the McCanns — who are suspect "arguidos" — the two couples also left their children alone last May 3 in Praia da Luz. A source claimed: "They demanded they'd not be 'arguidos' but that is impossible to guarantee." They could have been accused of abandonment of a child and jailed for ten years.

Sources claimed the reconstruction was aimed at highlighting statement "inconsistencies". The McCanns' spokesman insisted that the couples were concerned about "the reason behind the reconstruction".
Commentaar van wederom Nigel, good man: * This is a good example of the laziness of the British press. This report is essentially a precis of yesterday's 24horas report, yet the people concerned in the report are all British and based in Britain. So, why are the British press not out there getting these stories and quotes? Why are they not speaking to the Tapas 7? Is it because they are afraid of upsetting the McCanns and thereby losing their access to Clarence Mitchell - without whom they would have nothing to publish? * The other question is: Is this actually a real news story or has it been created to shield the McCanns themselves from a backlash in public opinion? Only time will tell - not the British press.

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Nog geen hot nieuws gelezen, maar wat zijlijntjes opgepikt, onder andere een polletje, niet echt 'big' maar geeft toch een aardige indicatie of het publiek van mening is dat de McCanns moeten worden aangeklaagd wegens neglect, bron:
quote:
Should the McCanns face child neglect charges? The Shields Gazette

Web vote result 30/05/2008

MISSING Madeleine McCann's parents should face child neglect charges, according to our latest online poll.

We told yesterday how Portuguese police are considering charging Kate and Gerry McCann with child neglect.

Their daughter disappeared from the family's holiday apartment 13 months ago while they dined with friends more than 100 yards away.

Since being considered as suspects in the daughter's disappearance, the couple's relationship with the police has been a fractious one.

Now, if charged and found guilty of child neglect, they face spending up to 10 years in jail.

Our poll asked:

Are Portuguese police right to consider charging the McCanns with child neglect?

The result was:
Yes: 92 per cent
No: 8 per cent
Daarop volgend had wat mij betreft ook een vraag moeten volgen of de McCanns daardoor ook schuldig zijn aan dood door schuld, of op z/n minst schuldig aan gelegenheid geven voor de vemissing cq ontvoering van Madeleine...dat laatste is ongeloofwaardig want er zijn geen bewijzen van ontvoering, maar sommige blijven daar in geloven.

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Zo zo, Voyeur wordt even aangehaald op het 3arguidoforum, wat zeg ik...een thread wordt er zelfs mee geopend! "Zeg mede Maddy volgers. Ik trof dit vandaag aan in een betoog:

"Thats regarded as one of the few facts here and local PJ and GNR say that the only people to have been in it [in het apartement van de McCanns] were under cover detectives watching after the McCanns moved out posing as tourists to put the McCanns under a false sence of security making them think that there was no suspicion , the same as when they returned The Renault to them but replaced all the interior of the boot linings with replacement original equipment and sent the real stuff to west midlands uk."

Inderdaad blijft dit een interessant stukje info, de PJ heeft vermoedelijk echt wel meer bewijzen dan men denkt...Voyeur maandag 7 januari 2008

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Wat mogelijkheden cq risico's als de McCanns terug waren gegaan naar Praia da Luz, http://www.kidnapping.be/maddie/maddie.html Vertaling gelezen op het 3arguidoforum
quote:
ENGLISH

Towards an accusation
May 30, 2008

Rapt, homicide, child neglect and concealment of corpse ...

Parents McCann would be under a procedure for kidnapping, homicide, negligence and concealment of a corpse. This emerges from a decision of the Court of the Relation of Evora, published by the Times. That decision, signed on April 29 this year, also reveals that the Public Ministry has sought access to messages (SMS) exchanged between a dozen mobiles at the disappearance of Madeleine. Two of these mobiles belong to the couple McCann. The other would be those of 7 friends of tapas. A list of calls made on 03 May between 20:00 and 12:00 the next day would have been established and the location of calls.

A misunderstanding.

According to press reports, the demand for this list and copies of messages exchanged would have been rejected by the judge for the second time. It would appear that this is not where lies the refusal. Indeed, the PJ has also requested access to conversations, sent messages (SMS) and location of calls made before 03 May. We've known for some time that the PJ keen interest in the day on 02 May. But it would appear that this is the "bugging" is problematic. They would be considered illegal because prior to the disappearance of Madeleine. By cons, they would be considered legal if, for example, Madeleine had disappeared on May 02 and not 03 May.

What parents risk:

Nothing has changed. Parents face the same thing today as yesterday. What are the options available to them?

1 - They agree to travel to Portugal to stand trial (In the very likely event of an accusation) and they undergo their sentence (In the event of a conviction). Although the sentence could be carried out in British prisons is a possibility. Moreover, in all likelihood, only one parent could be convicted. The twins would thus not left alone.

2 - They refuse to answer summonses official of the Tribunal and does not go to Portugal. They will be sentenced by default (if condemnation ago). In this case, they will be reported to search throughout the Schengen area. This means that their will be very difficult to travel anywhere. In addition, at least police checks, any local police, in every remote village, less small country within the Schengen area, parents will be arrested as reported in the Bulletin of Central Reporting. Then referred to an agency intra-Schengen deal to send them in the country issuing the alert. He arrived on the spot, they undergo their sentence. This routine check may arrive in their country of origin, the United Kingdom which is part of the Schengen area. We note in passing that in this case the twins will be placed.

Finally, to silence rumours: NO parents do nothing to risk returning to Portugal to participate in the reconstruction. They have not been placed in preventive by the police. They even able to leave the country and return to their own. Their status has not changed, there was no reason to suddenly put them in preventive detention. They might, therefore, absolutely nothing there for them there for the twins, cooperating with the PJ during this recovery, which was finally cancelled. The risk for them and the twins seems far greater if the Public Ministry advance with a formal charge and that parents try to evade justice Portuguese.
Hier < verder.

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