Met slechte wil ook wel.quote:Op donderdag 7 januari 2010 22:23 schreef Nieuwschierig het volgende:
De verkeersongelukken van Maarten van Traa en Ferdie E. zouden met een beetje goede wil verdacht kunnen zijn.
Mr. Mossadciadoquote:[b]...maar ik denk dat we met z'n allen wel een vermoeden hebben welke richting we uit moeten denken wat betreft de daders van deze aanslag?
tot de mogelijkheden behoren mossad,CIA niet die mogen dit niet meer sinds de jaren 70 of het moet eenquote:Op dinsdag 12 januari 2010 12:36 schreef ToT het volgende:
Van de Frontpage:
Nu is het wel duidelijk dat het geen ongelukje was of zo , maar ik denk dat we met z'n allen wel een vermoeden hebben welke richting we uit moeten denken wat betreft de daders van deze aanslag?
Zeker, denk ook aan Jorg Haiderquote:Op donderdag 7 januari 2010 22:23 schreef Nieuwschierig het volgende:
De verkeersongelukken van Maarten van Traa en Ferdie E. zouden met een beetje goede wil verdacht kunnen zijn.
Mogen ? Denk dat de regels "on the fly" worden gemaakt meestal.quote:[b]Op zaterdag 16 januari 2010 22:32 schreef WallOfStars het volgenCIA niet die mogen dit niet meer sinds de jaren 70 of het moet een
"terrorist" zijn.
CIA maakt nooit regels on the fly!quote:Op maandag 18 januari 2010 10:24 schreef Buschetta het volgende:
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Mogen ? Denk dat de regels "on the fly" worden gemaakt meestal.
Hoofd van de beveiliging van het Economisch Forum pleegt vlak voor de bijeenkomst "zelfmoord" en of dat vermelding waard is hier? Hell yeah!quote:Op woensdag 27 januari 2010 20:04 schreef Resistor het volgende:
Markus Reinhardt is onder mysterieuze omstandigheden overleden.
Wie? Hij was hoofd beveiliging van het World Economic Forum in Davos wat nu aan de gang is.
http://www.huffingtonpost(...)ad-dav_n_436981.html
Geen idee of het BNW waardig is, maar het was het wel waard om in het nieuws te komen.
quote:70-year gag on Kelly death evidence
Evidence relating to the death of Government weapons inspector David Kelly is to be kept secret for 70 years, it has been reported.
A highly unusual ruling by Lord Hutton, who chaired the inquiry into Dr Kelly's death, means medical records including the post-mortem report will remain classified until after all those with a direct interest in the case are dead, the Mail on Sunday reported.
Bizar he.. en dat alles om de wereld agenda niet in gevaar te brengen.quote:Op donderdag 28 januari 2010 01:01 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
Alle bewijsstukken van David Kelly's dood gaan voor 70 jaar achter slot en grendel. We mogen de conclusie van de lijkschouwer niet eens weten en moeten ondertussen geloven dat dezelfde Britse regering ons de waarheid heeft verteld. lol
Ik vind het crimineel dat men zoiets doet en kan doen. Als nederlander is mijn belang indirect maar iedereen met een Brits paspoort heeft toch zeker recht op deze informatie. Wie zijn Hutton en zijn criminele vriendjes, Blair voorop, om zo overduidelijk de wet te misbruiken voor een cover-up? Als het Britse volk het en masse niet zou pikken en in verzet zou komen was er misschien iets mogelijk maar iedereen heeft het (begrijpelijk overigens) te druk met zijn/haar eigen kleine wereldje.quote:Op donderdag 28 januari 2010 01:27 schreef Ticker het volgende:
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Bizar he.. en dat alles om de wereld agenda niet in gevaar te brengen.
En geen haan die ernaar kraait, want een haan.. die kan je omkopen.
Of was het nou een hartaanval?quote:NORTH HAVEN, Maine (NEWS CENTER) - The Knox County Sheriff's Department says Matthew Simmons, the founder of the Ocean Energy Institute, drowned at his house on North Haven late Sunday night.
Simmons was a leading investment banker for the energy industry and had recently retired to work full time on the new Ocean Energy Institute.
He was a leading proponent of offshore wind power and had started raising money to develop and build offshore turbines.
He and his family had also bought and rebuilt the Old Strand Theater in downtown Rockland.
Bizar inderdaad en wat mij betreft te toevallig gezien de huidige actualiteit.quote:Op maandag 9 augustus 2010 16:53 schreef jogy het volgende:
http://ht.ly/2mXup
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Of was het nou een hartaanval?
http://www.zerohedge.com/(...)as-died-heart-attack
Oh, hij was één van de luidste BP kritici wat de olieramp betreft.
Hmmmm..
Zou dit om Bob Cavenar gaan?quote:Op donderdag 12 augustus 2010 22:26 schreef Orchestra. het volgende:
'Toevallig', 2 mensen die erg dichtbij de ramp staan komen om in 3 dagen tijd.
quote:BP Gulf Oil Spill Static Kill Has Failed And Created Mess That Will Make Well Harder To Seal
Drilling Experts Says BP Well Is Not Dead, Static Kill has Failed, and BP Needs To Answer Questions About Clouds Coming From Sea Floor.
Oil Industry Expert Bob Cavnar has posted a series of blog posts over the last few days that have escalated in charges that BP and the Federal Government BP and the Federal Government are deliberately providing the public with misinformation to cover up the fact that the static kill has backfired and made the BP Gulf Oil Spill well much harder to kill.
In a few of those posts Bob Cavnar says BP needs to explain the huge clouds coming from the sea floor that I have pointed out here, here, here, here, and here.
In his post BP: “Well is Static” US: “Oil is Gone” Nothing to See Here. Move Along he writes the following.
At 1 am today, we got the “everything is fine” press release from BP proclaiming that the well, after the “textbook” static kill, is static. They studiously avoided the words “dead” or “killed”. Per usual, they also provided no further information. I was watching the feeds of the worsening leak coming from the lower flex joint flange at the moment I got the press release. Odd. If the well is static, then why is the wellhead leaking? Also, the leaking fluid is rising, indicating hydrocarbons, and continues even at this moment. This whole operation has given me the willies.
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BP has violated this principle in spades by doing what they are doing. Now that they’ve proclaimed the well is “static”, they’ve also gone radio silent with no press conferences or technical McBriefings scheduled for today. Admiral Allen is doing a victory lap at this moment during the White House briefing, also not giving any data, besides just saying that it’s static with seawater. Again, if that was true, why is the wellhead leaking? To be clear, dead means dead. If it’s leaking oil, that means it’s not dead.
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I’m sitting here watching oil leaking from a well that is supposedly dead. I’m listening to Admiral Allen saying the well is dead and to Jane Lubchenco and Carol Browner seriously contending that almost 4 million barrels of oil have disappeared. Is it just me, or are we watching the Matrix in real life?
That post was followed up by Questions BP Needs to Answer in which he again alludes to the fact the BP and Government are not being transparent about the the success of the static kill and pointing out once again that oil is still leaking from the well and that there are the huge clouds coming from the sea floor.
Since announcing success (sort of) of the static kill, MSM attention has dropped to virtually zero, though the well is obviously far from static, judging from the huge clouds in the water around the wellhead and manifold, as well as numerous ROVs surrounding the wellhead, providing no feeds to the public. The media has payed virtually no attention to these feeds and has asked no questions of Adm Allen or BP. BP has stopped briefing the public daily.
The problem is that there are lots of questions that remain unanswered. Here’s what I want to know:
•Is the well dead?
•What is the pressure on the well? Now?
•If the well is open to the surface, what is that pressure?
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•How do you know all the cement went down the casing?
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•Why is the flex joint flange leaking?
•Why are the ROV feeds no longer provided in a decipherable resolution?
•Why are some ROV feeds not being provided?
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•Why are clouds of debris continuing to obscure the view several days after the well was supposedly “static”?
Until these questions are answered by BP, we have no real information to tell us that the well is dead, or even safe. As long as they continue to stonewall critical data, I’ll only continue to believe that the well is not “static” or safe.
Not only are the ROV feeds high pixelated to the point the screens can not be read BP has still not shown the BOP where a methane leak was discovered just inches from the well head
and BP is playing with the lighting to hide huge clouds shooting out of the sea floor and has even been caught applying filters in real time on the feeds to remove hydrates shooting out of the sea bed from the video feeds.
A comment on that post by fishgrease, an oil industry expert from over at the dailykos, responding to an attack on Cavnar’s post also agrees to the fact that the well is not dead.
They froze their chokes off this morning. The ones atop the Capping Stack. If you think that means this is a dead well,
1.You don’t know anything about oil, and/or gas wells.
2.You’re an idiot.
3.Both
Cavnar also posted the following response to the same person.
Mike,
A couple of questions for you:
1.If the “well is as dead as dead can be”, why does it have 4,200 psi on it, 2,000 psi more than seawater hydrostatic, and 600 psi more than 14 ppg mud hydrostatatic from the riser?
2.If the well is dead, why are they now “pressure testing” said dead well?
3.Both
That conversation was followed up with a new post from Bob Cavnar pointing out the fact that BP is conducting pressure tests indicates that the well is not dead and that BP and the Federal Government are deceiving the public about the real reasons the tests are being performed.
Adm Allen just finished his morning presser where he just casually mentioned that they are going to “test” the old BOP and capping stack and take pressure readings to determine if the hydrocarbons in the annulus are “dormant” or if they’re connected to the reservoir. Translation: “BP continues to have pressure on the wellhead from down below and have been letting me believe for a week that the well is static.” Of course, they’ve never disclosed not one bit of pressure data after the “well integrity test”, and even that “data” was sparse.
Yesterday, during his presser, the Admiral was asked about releasing the pressure readings and un-blurring the ROV feeds. The Admiral said he would check into the feeds and get BP to disclose the pressures. Of course, neither happened, and now he drops the bomb that they’re back to the ol’ BOP test again. That means they have no idea where the static kill and cement went.
Today Cavnar’s series of posts culminated to the conclusion that the Feds are deliberately putting out misinformation to hide the fact that the well is communicating with the reservoir, static kill has backfired miserably and the failure of static kill leaves BP and the Federal Government with no idea what to do next.
For the last several days, I’ve been trying to figure out what BP is doing and what is the actual condition of BP’s MC252 well after their “static kill” and cementing procedure last week apparently didn’t work.
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On August 2nd and 3rd, BP ran the “static kill” pumping 2,300 barrels of mud. Early in the morning on the 4th, BP issued a press release saying the the well had reached a “static condition” with well pressure “controlled by the hydrostatic pressure of the drilling mud.” In his McBriefing later that day, Wells actually said that when they pumped the mud, they could actually see it go into the reservoir by pressures, and that they pumped up to 15 barrels per minute.
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All was right with the world. Except, it wasn’t. Day before yesterday, Adm. Allen announced they were going to start a “pressure test”, babbling about the annulus and raising the ominous spectre that they are still actually communicated to the reservoir. Wells confirmed that fear in the afternoon, admitting that they indeed had 4,200 psi on the well when it’s supposed to be dead.
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What’s going on here is that the “static kill” looks like it did the opposite of what BP and Allen had suggested at the beginning.
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The mis-information and confusion is also taking its toll.
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In actuality, this “static kill” did nothing that BP and Allen said it would do. Certainly the well is not dead or “static”.
BP and the government don’t really have a clue where the 2,300 barrels of mud and 500 barrels of cement went. They originally claimed it all went down the casing and out to the reservoir. I would set the probability of that actually having happened at zero… There is no way, unless that entire float assembly blew off, that they pumped down the casing and up the backside. On top of all that, there are HUGE lost circulation zones both below and above the reservoir.
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So, where did all the mud and cement go? It likely went down the backside of the production casing and either out through some damage that was caused during the aborted top kill, or out the lost circulation zone right below the 9 7/8″ liner at 17,100. The fact that they’re getting pressure now tells me that they are indeed communicated to the reservoir below, probably obscured by the fact that they now have mud strung through the annulus. If they are indeed communicated, pressure will build on the wellhead, which is exactly what’s happening. Adm. Allen pledged to get BP to release the pressure data 3 days ago. The next day, when asked about it, he said it was released, but “nobody can find it.” The data is still AWOL.
As Washington’s blog points out:
BP has tried to cover up every aspect of the spill. See this, this and this.
The bottom kill – the procedure which all oil industry experts agree has the best chance of killing the leak – hasn’t yet been performed. The underwater cameras still show methane and oil leaking into the Gulf.
And yet the country’s attention is already drifting away from the Gulf and to celebrities, stocks, and other issues.
I’m beginning to wonder whether BP keeps on doing one confusing procedure after another, and keeps on saying that the well has been capped, hoping that everyone stops paying attention so that BP can just pack up its bags and slink away while people aren’t paying attention.
Relief wells are the best hope for permanently capping the well. But it is possible that BP has messed up the well so badly that the relief wells will fail.
As Cavnar notes, BP has already taken down or blurred most of its underwater camera feeds. BP might just declare “mission accomplished” and skip the relief wells, leaving a ticking time bomb which will pollute the Gulf for years to come.
Fishgrease, another oil industry expert that I mentioned earlier weighs in on the issue of the open communication that has caused a the choke line to freeze up and led to a new leak in the well.
I awoke early this morning to find they’ve got a hell of a pressure drop across those chokes on the capping stack…. those new ones they installed because the brand fucking new automated valves below them all failed and now require manual locks.
An ROV using a methanol hot-stab to try to thaw a choke out. Get this. It was poking the hot-stab INTO the end of the choke pipe! That’s right! They’re idiots! For that choke to freeze up like that (there were patches of external ice indicating it got pretty damned cold) there had to be a significant pressure drop across it. Pouring methanol into the low pressure end of that choke pipe is just… it’s fucking funny!
So now they got themselves a good old problem. We can’t see it, of course, and we’ll never get any pressure readings that will tell us exactly what sort of pressure drop caused those chokes to freeze. But let me tell you something that is true as death… it’s a LOT more hydrocarbon pressure then can be explained by anything residual in the BOP. The annulus is open to the reservoir and always has been.
Fishgrease’s comment was about the leak shown in this video.
The observation by fishgrease led to the following discussion from The Oil Drum community on the live chat about the issue.
[22:53] I should show a little respect. I mean, life isn’t just “one big cruise,” is it, TOB_ ?
[22:53] that was after they had to apply a fix to the valve underneath it, which had been probably damaged by clathrates
[22:53] I have 35-40 pics of bubbles coming from that choke pipe…
[22:53] okay.
[22:54] heh heh heh cigarette break
[22:54] when did they fix the valve? was that part of what i was staring at (mindlessly) last night?
[22:54] aviva: yeah, oi2 was holding onto a thing they stuck in the valve while oi1 had to adjust gauges and things
[22:55] What was the annulus question?
[22:55] anyway, after all that, apparently, according to dkos fishgrease, who got up to pee at 2 in the morning and glanced at the feeds
[22:55] yes….
[22:56] dkos, *eyes glaze over*
[22:56] one of the rovs was sticking a hot stab into that little chimney up there
[22:57] okay… you mean the curved one? the choke pipe?
[22:57] and releasing that stuff (i’m braindead) that melts ice into it
[22:57] aviva: yes
[22:57] methanol.
[22:57] TOB_ : I’d commented to CBLuc: “I’m not sure there’s been a lot of concern about cement in the annulus (from Halliburton/April), but more with the cement shoe.” (in reply to his concerns) and you wrote back: “That is the question, aviva.” Or something similar.
[22:58] TOB_: yes, thank you
[22:58] Okay, so they injected methanol in the choke pipe, which is outgassing methane (probably; it’s totally translucent emissions)
[22:58] and…
[22:59] what’s fishgrease thinking? or wondering?
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[22:59] Right, that is the big question.
[22:59] the question is why would the choke be releasing something that would indicated it’s icing up with clathrates on the inside?
[23:00] I think it’s the big question that they’ve shared with us, TOB_ . There may be others…
[23:00] Lot’s of other big questions remaining.
[23:01] fishgrease is proposing (and even tho he can get a little overpassionate, he knows this stuff) that the upper stack is under negative pressure
[23:01] There may be residual (trapped) hydrocarbons in the BOP and capping stack… hydrocarbons that are unlikely to be flowing up from the reservoir, but are still under some pressure and emerging from the capping stack…
[23:02] What does fishgrease say is causing the negative pressure in the upper stack?
[23:02] negative pressure?
[23:03] Does he think that the ambient pressure around the capping stack is squeezing it?
[23:03] negative pressure would cause those leaks that we’ve watched leak oil outward leak water inward instead
[23:03] Are asking why there would be hydrates in the choke line?
[23:03] TOB_: yes
[23:03] aviva: yes
[23:03] Oh. I see. And fishgrease is concerned that seawater oozing into the choke line is causing hydrates to grow…
[23:04] The pipe is full of water, when the little methane bubbles interact they form the hydrates.
[23:04] aviva: and wondering if they started the negative pressure test (which they said they would start after the storm) yesterday
[23:05] I can’t believe they’d start the negative pressure test — and then proclaim, in three briefings (2 for Allen, 1 for Wells) that they’re waiting until the storm’s over.
[23:05] It’s open to the seawater.
[23:07] Just a trickle of bubbles.
[23:07] or if they’re not already doing the negative pressure test, what else could cause the stack to go from being kept at positive pressure to being at negative pressure?
[23:08] TOB_: but the point has been to not let the stack go negative until they could do it under control, because it’s a pretty dangerous test to do
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[23:10] I believe they are referring to pump pressure. Easing it off. Negative in relation to the reservoir pressure.
[23:11] the reason to do a negative pressure test is to see if, when they decrease the pressure, the force from the bottom will push back
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[23:11] telling them whether or not they have successfully cemented it
[23:12] <== digging back thru the diary to his comments
[23:15] takes forever to find this stuff
[23:16] especially when i keep forgetting what day it is
[23:19] == WireWulf has changed nick to Wulf-is-not-here
[23:20] i can’t find it. i’ll bring it back tomorrow, for sure
[23:22] mostly, at this point, i was just wondering if anybody saw it
[23:22] Heard, didn’t see.
[23:25] OK here’s the link from this morning Fishgrease: I awoke early this morning to find they’ve got a
[23:25] hell of a pressure drop across those chokes on the capping stack…. those new ones they installed : http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2010/8/11/145651/819/8#c8
[23:27] it was five o clock, not two
[23:29] and i still don’t quite get what he’s saying
[23:32] oh, well, the more i try to understand this thing, the less i find i understand it
[23:33] nice waves and lights tho
[23:33] and down goes the hoss rov
[23:35] past my bedtime, adios por la noche! hasta manana!
[23:35] Didn’t take them long to re-launch.
[23:35] Nite.
[23:35] == TOB_ has changed nick to TOB_zzz
[23:35] he’s saying that there is a large pressure variation at the new choke valves, more than there should be if it was just pressure from residual oil in the top of the well after cementing
[23:35] Hasta mañana, evergreen.
[23:36] ahhhh yuriwho !
[23:36] yuriwho: i’m almost too brain dead to go further with this, but i would like to understand it and i don’t
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[23:38] yuriwho: if things were the way they were supposed to be, after the positive pressure test, there would still be some positive pressure in the top of the stack, right?
[23:38] I don’t totally follow fishgrease’s entire reasoning here… but I won’t be surprised to discover that the annulus is open to the reservoir. I don’t expect it, exactly. But it’s still a possibility, as Allen stated in his briefing. Not probable, but possible.
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[23:39] if the valve is frozen, thats because some gas is leaking through it causing the refrigeration effect (joule-thompson effect) which means that there is a increasing load of pressure building up inside the stack due to communication from the formation to the top
[23:39] Yep, possible. But they pumped a lot of cement in there.
[23:39] yuriwho: so it’s still positive pressure pushing from the inside to the outside?
[23:40] um… communication from the formation to the top? if it’s that obvious, why are allen and wells speaking of it as a highly remote possibility that must be checked, but isn’t likely?
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[23:40] whether it is through the cememnt or from the annulus is a different question. It could be that the main casing string is plugged and it is slowly leaking up the annulus
[23:40] yes evergreen, that is what he is thinking
[23:41] yuriwho: i think what mixed me up was i was thinking it was negative pressure on the inside causing water to leak into the stack
[23:42] nope, has to be pressure leaking out. It would not get cold and freeze unless that pressure was building
[23:42] now i get it!!!
[23:42] If it was a leak, it was more like a trickle.
[23:42] it would only be a trickle prehaps up the choke
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[23:43] yuriwho, reading between the lines of allen’s briefing on august 10, do you think he believes that there’s a reasonable chance of communication from formation to capping stack? and up the annulus, most probably? Is he totally minimizing things?
[23:43] btw, his other comment about meeting the guys for coffee……thats his group of industry consultants who work for the service providers i the gulf
[23:44] personally I think there is a slow leak up the annulus, the pressure is only starting to build up now
[23:44] it’s when he said “pressure drop across it” that threw me, i translated that incorrectly inside my head
[23:46] imagine that the choke valve leaks gas slowly, if pressure is building on one side you get gas leaking and refridgeration occurs
[23:46] and he was actually more unnerved by their trying to stop it using methane than the fact that it’s there
[23:47] yuriwho: which is just a similar thing to what’s been happening all along, just a different version
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[23:48] slow leak up the annulus relates to what folks were talking about here about two hours ago
[23:48] that means there must be a place where the annulus under the wellhead is communicating with what’s above it
[23:49] could be where they never installed that locking ring
[23:49] yuriwho: right
[23:49] if it’s a slow leak it will be hard and slow to kill
[23:49] without opening up the well
[23:50] i had just gotten to that part of how they drill the well in that big document. i never understood how the well head was put together
[23:50] yea that pdf is excellent at explaing the fundamentals of well construction
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[23:51] yuriwho: you showed up here just in time
[23:51] Speaking of the stack…where is it?
[23:51] heh, I just woke up……fell asleep after my sons soccer game tonight <–coach and ref…..got tired
[23:52] yuriwho: so if there’s a slow leak up the annulus it could help the relief well effort kinda sorta by providing a flow pressure upward
[23:52] perhaps too slow to get cement to move. Depends on how open it is
[23:53] but the problem is dealing with the wellhead could be quite problematic
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[23:54] they might have to pull both BOP’s and cement up past the leak point to the annulus.
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[23:55] although I am just playing devil advocate here
[23:55] yuriwho: thank you so much. i was about to go to bed totally confused.
[23:55] not sure what their opions might be to deal with a slow leak from the annulus to above the cement
[23:56] well now i can go to bed trying to figure that one out. but at least i’ve got the pressure thing corrected.
[23:57] cheers! a margarita from me in burque to you!
[23:57] hasta manana y”all!
[23:58] youriwho, I have seen ice build up on the relief valve on a compresser when emptying it
http://blog.alexanderhigg(...)ed-mess-harder-seal/
Al die olie rampen van 2010 op een rij ook. Redelijk schokkend.quote:Op vrijdag 13 augustus 2010 18:18 schreef mediacurator het volgende:
In deze docu wordt de dood van Matt Simmons vanuit een breder perspectief bekeken, namelijk als een voorbeeld van een vd velen in een lange reeks politieke moorden in de V.S.
Het zou best echt zo gegaan kunnen zijn, maar het is een beetje een bizarre dood voor zo'n persoon.quote:CIA assassin or great story teller?
Roland Haas, the Newnan man who accidentally shot and killed himself Saturday, described himself as a former CIA assassin. He wrote a book about it. He detailed his execution of an Afghanistan heroin dealer and the man's two bodyguards, and cited his own torture in an Iranian jail. People hailed it as a gritty, realistic account of Cold War spying.
[...]
Haas, 58, died after driving a short distance from his apartment, stopping his car on a busy street and exiting it with the engine running. Investigators believe he had a 9mm semi-automatic handgun tucked in his waist and it accidentally discharged. Haas was struck in the leg, rupturing his femoral artery.
Alsof een getrainde huurmoordernaar zo'n fout zou begaanquote:Op dinsdag 7 september 2010 22:35 schreef HolyGhost het volgende:
Roland Haas heeft zichzelf per ongeluk doodgeschoten in zijn auto. Haas was een oud huurmoordenaar van de CIA (volgens zijn eigen verhaal althans). De CIA ontkent dit.
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Het zou best echt zo gegaan kunnen zijn, maar het is een beetje een bizarre dood voor zo'n persoon.
Nou een paar weken later...quote:MI6 worker murdered, stuffed in a bag and dumped in a bath
The private life of an MI6 officer who was murdered at his home close to the UK's foreign intelligence service headquarters is being investigated by Scotland Yard detectives. The body of Gareth Williams was stuffed in a holdall and dumped in his bath.
Williams is believed to have been killed two weeks ago. His body was badly decomposed when his two-bedroom, top floor flat in Pimlico, central London, was searched by police after colleagues raised the alarm. A postmortem examination found that he had not been stabbed, as had been reported earlier, but the cause of death has yet to be established.
Hij is zelf in de tas gekropen en toen spontaan dood gegaan.quote:Dead MI6 worker 'may have climbed into bag by himself'
The body of Gareth Williams was discovered in his flat in London last month, sparking a major police investigation and a flurry of rumours about how he died.
It is thought police are working on the theory he may have been the victim of a random murder, but the difficulty in collecting evidence means they are also considering other possibilities. According to the Mail on Sunday, officers are now looking at the idea that the 31-year-old died after a sex game went wrong.
They believe he may have climbed into the sports bag himself as part of an erotic asphyxiation ritual and then been unable to get out.
Geweldig, ik wil me niet verleiden voor slowchat, maar dit is tenenkrommend gewoon.quote:Op maandag 13 september 2010 22:30 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
Eind vorige maand vond men het lichaam van een MI6 officier (hij deed afluisterwerk) dood in zijn flat.
Gareth Williams lichaam was in een grote sporttas gestopt en in de badkuip gedumpt. Tot aan vandaag is de doodsoorzaak nog steeds niet vastgesteld.
His family are so unhappy with the lack of progress in the investigation and the failure of two post-mortems to identify a cause of death, that they are reported to have requested the release of his body so they can commission their own tests.
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Hij is zelf in de tas gekropen en toen spontaan dood gegaan.
Ook het downplayen door het een "random murder" te noemen. Want dat het wellicht iets met zijn werk te maken zou hebben, nee dat is uitgesloten.
Het is een klucht inderdaad. Hoewel voor die familie natuurlijk erg schrijnend.quote:Op maandag 13 september 2010 22:48 schreef Ticker het volgende:
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Geweldig, ik wil me niet verleiden voor slowchat, maar dit is tenenkrommend gewoon.
Deze is nu actueel met die parachutemoord van laatst. Maar is wel interessant zeg. Dat geeft een andere kijk op de Pim Fortuyn moord. Was Volkert nu echt een simpele linkse gek of zitten er duistere organisaties achter die Pim Fortuyn een bedreiging voor hun plannen vonden en hem daarna elimineerde?quote:Op vrijdag 14 maart 2008 03:01 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
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Jürgen W. Möllemann
Populist German politician Juergen Moellemann, who has died while making a parachute jump, once described his career as a roller-coaster ride.After a political career which spanned more than three decades and saw him rise to ministerial office, Mr Moellemann found himself dogged by allegations of anti-semitism and sleaze.
There was speculation that he might set up his own party modelled on Mr Haider's Austrian Freedom Party or the anti-immigration Pim Fortuyn list in the Netherlands. [bron]
In the case of Möllemann, a former military paratrooper who frequently parachuted into political rallies, death came when he became detached from his main parachute and fell into a barley field. How he became detached, however, and why his emergency parachute did not open has yet to be explained. [bron]
Möllemann, a passionate and experienced skydiver, died June 5, 2003 in a parachuting incident at Marl-Loemühle. His death was investigated by the Essen district attorney's office, which published a final report on July 9, 2003. While outside interference was ruled out, no definite verdict was reached on whether Möllemann committed suicide or had an accident. [bron]
Een soort variant op doorgesneden remmen.
Afgelopen woensdag, 28 september, neemt een student een AK-47 mee naar de universiteit, lost een paar schoten, waarbij hij verder niemand raakt, gaat naar de bibliotheek en schiet zichzelf daar door het hoofd.quote:A 19-year-old mathematics major from Austin, Texas, was identified Tuesday as the suspected gunman who fired shots from an AK-47 and then turned the gun on himself, the University of Texas at Austin said.
The Travis County Medical Examiner identified Colton Tooley, a sophomore at the university, as the campus shooter.
No one else was injured in the incident. Tooley's motive was not immediately known. [CNN]
SPOILEROm spoilers te kunnen lezen moet je zijn ingelogd. Je moet je daarvoor eerst gratis Registreren. Ook kun je spoilers niet lezen als je een ban hebt.Toeval of weer een of andere zieke psyops met onbekende bedoeling?
Het zal wel aan een gebrek aan ICT kennis bij haar liggen maar ik zou juist een deadman switch mechanisme gebruiken in de situaties waarbij ze je willen omleggen omdat je teveel weet: alle belangrijke informatie alvast online zetten bij een scheduled email provider zoals bijvoorbeeld http://www.lettermelater.com.quote:Op vrijdag 2 mei 2008 00:03 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
Police: Woman believed to be 'D.C. madam' kills herself
TARPON SPRINGS, Fla. (AP) - Police say a woman they believe to be convicted Washington escort service operator Deborah Jeane Palfrey has committed suicide.
Police in Tarpon Springs, Florida say the body was found in a shed near Palfrey's mother's home Thursday morning. There was a suicide note, but police did not disclose its contents.
Palfrey was convicted April 15 by a federal jury of running a prostitution service that catered to members of Washington's political elite.
She had denied her escort service engaged in prostitution, saying that if any of the women engaged in sex acts for money, they did so without her knowledge.
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DC Madam Predicted She Would Be Suicided
During several recent appearances on The Alex Jones Show, Palfrey also said that she was at risk of being killed and that authorities would make it look like suicide. She made it clear that she was not suicidal and if she was found dead it would be murder.
Palfrey had threatened to release the names of well-known clients of her upscale call girl ring in the+ nation’s capitol, and had indicated that Dick Cheney may be one of them.
Niet verdacht wat mij betreft. Vind het iets te vergezocht.quote:
In 2005 pleegt hij dus zelfmoord door zichzelf door het hoofd te schieten. Paul William Roberts, journalist en een vriend van Thompson schreef het volgende over deze zelfmoord:quote:Mick O'Regan: Could I take you back to September 11th. What I'd really like to know is your reactions. And I know you said you were writing a sports column for ESPN when the planes hit the towers, but could I get you to tell that story of when you found out about it and what you were doing and what your reaction was?
Hunter S. Thompson: I had in fact just finished a sports column for ESPN. Here it is: "It was just after dawn in Woody Creek, Colorado when the first plane hit the World Trade Center in New York City on Tuesday morning. And as usual I was writing about sports. But not for long. Football suddenly seemed irrelevant compared to the scenes of destruction and other devastation coming out of New York on TV."
Mick O'Regan: You went on to say in that article, which I have in front of me, that "even ESPN was broadcasting war news. It was the worst disaster in the history of the United States." Do you think that the event completely transformed the way in which Americans see themselves and their own vulnerability?
Hunter S. Thompson: No, the event by itself wouldn't have done that. But it was the way the Administration was able to use that event. Even use it as a springboard for everything they wanted to do. And that might tell you something. I remember when I was writing that column you sort of wonder when something like that happens, Well who stands to benefit? Who had the opportunity and the motive? You just kind of look at these basic things, and I don?t know if I want to go into this on worldwide radio here, but ...
Mick O'Regan: You may as well.
Hunter S. Thompson: All right. Well I saw that the US government was going to benefit, and the White House people, the republican administration to take the mind of the public off of the crashing economy. Now you want to keep in mind that every time a person named Bush gets into office, the nation goes into a drastic recession they call it.
Mick O'Regan: It seems a very long bow to me, but are you sort of suggesting that this worked in the favour of the Bush Administration?
Hunter S. Thompson: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And I have spent enough time on the inside of, well in the White House and you know, campaigns and I've known enough people who do these things, think this way, to know that the public version of the news or whatever event, is never really what happened.
Vaag verhaal dus. Hier meer over Thompson en over een verhaal over homoseksuele prostitutie in het Witte Huis waar Thompson destijds ook mee bezig scheen te zijn.quote:Hunter telephoned me on Feb. 19, the night before his death. He sounded scared. It wasn't always easy to understand what he said, particularly over the phone, he mumbled, yet when there was something he really wanted you to understand, you did. He'd been working on a story about the World Trade Center attacks and had stumbled across what he felt was hard evidence showing the towers had been brought down not by the airplanes that flew into them but by explosive charges set off in their foundations. Now he thought someone was out to stop him publishing it: "They're gonna make it look like suicide," he said. "I know how these bastards think . . ."
That's how I imagine a tribute to Hunter S. Thompson should begin. He was indeed working on such a story, but it wasn't what killed him. He exercised his own option to do that. As he said to more than one person, "I would feel real trapped in this life if I didn't know I could commit suicide at any time."
quote:Op vrijdag 1 oktober 2010 05:01 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
Is deze verdacht, ja of nee?
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Afgelopen woensdag, 28 september, neemt een student een AK-47 mee naar de universiteit, lost een paar schoten, waarbij hij verder niemand raakt, gaat naar de bibliotheek en schiet zichzelf daar door het hoofd.
Later wordt bekend gemaakt wie de jongen was. Colton Tooley, een student aan de universiteit.
University of Texas shooter was quiet, smart
Deze foto van Colton Tooley wordt vrijgegeven:
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Wait wut?! Die ogen komen bekend voor.Sanpaku OgenSPOILEROm spoilers te kunnen lezen moet je zijn ingelogd. Je moet je daarvoor eerst gratis Registreren. Ook kun je spoilers niet lezen als je een ban hebt.Toeval of weer een of andere zieke psyops met onbekende bedoeling?
- Maybe O.D.B My Long Distance Family -
"Computer says: no.."
"Laat hen gaan, blinden zijn zij, die blinden leiden. Indien een blinde een blinde leidt, zullen zij beiden in een put vallen". (Matteüs 15:14)
Volg je tevens de MSM, dan word er voornamelijk op gehamerd dat hij 'religieuse' teksten aan het screeuwen was, wat in mijn ogen meer neer komt op christen of moslim..quote:A police source also told the paper that Brea said he saw the devil in his mother and accused her of never accepting Jesus. As he was being led away by police, Brea allegedly yelled, "The greatest architect in the universe!" -- a term sometimes used by Masons to represent a supreme being.
http://scienceblogs.com/g(...)brea_murders_mon.phpquote:When police first arrived they waited 45 minutes to attempt an entry to the apartment. Later, when asked why they took so long to attempt a rescue, they mumbled something about it being a "barricaded situation" and then whined for a while about how dangerous police work is.
One of the neighbors reported it this way:
"I heard a shriek and a woman yelling 'help me' ... We called 911 and we kept hearing screams and then we didn't hear them any more. Michael was chanting Biblical phrases and kept calling for Moses, Jerusalem and the 'architect of the universe'. ... I think he just snapped"
Dat maakt het idd nóg weirder.quote:Op zaterdag 27 november 2010 19:19 schreef Ticker het volgende:
Hoewel deze niet direct als onverklaarbaar geld, vind ik hem opvallend genoeg om hem erbij te plaatsen.
Afgelopen week is de moeder van een acteur, door haar eigen zoon van het leven beroofd door een zwaard.
Zoals het verhaal steeds duidelijker word blijkt de man in kwestie een vrijmetselaar geweest te zijn die zojuist een bijeenkomst met zijn mede broeders had gehad.
http://voices.washingtonp(...)or_michael_brea.html
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Volg je tevens de MSM, dan word er voornamelijk op gehamerd dat hij 'religieuse' teksten aan het screeuwen was, wat in mijn ogen meer neer komt op christen of moslim..
http://www.examiner.com/c(...)es-mother-with-sword
Wat het verhaal apart maakt, is dat het erop lijkt dat er zeker door de lokale politie meer op ingesprongen had kunnen worden, maar dat de politie gewoonweg niets deed. Iets wat ik al helemaal van de Amerikaanse wetsdienaar niet gewend ben.
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http://scienceblogs.com/g(...)brea_murders_mon.php
Verdacht is het zeker:quote:Op zaterdag 27 november 2010 19:19 schreef Ticker het volgende:
Hoewel deze niet direct als onverklaarbaar geld, vind ik hem opvallend genoeg om hem erbij te plaatsen.
Voodoo?quote:"Ik heb haar niet vermoord, ik heb de demoon in haar gedood," vertelde de acteur vanuit zijn ziekenhuisbed. Demoon wordt ook wel gezien als kwade geest. Hij voelde zich net als Neo uit de film The Matrix, verklaarde hij. Hij zegt stemmen in zijn hoofd te horen en zich 'erg machtig' te hebben gevoeld tijdens het onthoofden van zijn moeder Yannick.
http://www.showbiznewz.nl(...)-om-kwade-geest.html
Tja......verdronken;quote:Op vrijdag 13 augustus 2010 23:10 schreef Revolution-NL het volgende:
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Al die olie rampen van 2010 op een rij ook. Redelijk schokkend.
Zelfmoord?quote:Op dinsdag 14 december 2010 17:36 schreef Err0r het volgende:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Holbrooke
13 december 2010 overleden door zelfmoord.
Wist 'ie soms teveel?
Oeps 2 zaken door elkaar gehaald. Ik zal m'n post ff editten!quote:Op dinsdag 14 december 2010 17:43 schreef Nieuwschierig het volgende:
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Zelfmoord?
Hoe kom je daar bij?
quote:Murder of John Wheeler III who served three presidents a mystery
http://www.allvoices.com/(...)presidents-a-mystery
quote:The murder reads like a spy novel: An ex-Pentagon official is found dead in a landfill, three days after disappearing between Washington and Wilmington. Christine Pelisek and Pat Wingert on what happened.
The murder could be taken from the pages of John le Carré.
A former Pentagon official boards a train from Washington to his home in Delaware just after Christmas.
The man—a West Point cadet, a Yale and Harvard graduate and former general's aide in Vietnam—disappears without a trace, only to be found dead in a landfill days later.
Wheeler, who his close friends knew as Jack, reportedly had earned TS/SCI (Top Secret / Special Compartmentalized Information) clearance during his most recent government job, special assistant to the Secretary of the Air Force during the administration of George W. Bush.
"It's the kind of clearance you have when you're in the inner ring (of the Pentagon)," said a source who didn't want to be identified. "But that doesn't mean anyone thinks there's an espionage component to this murder."
http://www.thedailybeast.(...)n-delaware-landfill/
quote:Did John Wheeler III Know Too Much?
Wheeler was well known as a biological and chemical warfare expert.
Did John Wheeler III know too much? About what? Something related to his field of expertise? And was the knowledge that got him killed somehow related to the aforementioned plethora of bird deaths and fish kills? An experiment? A test run?
http://bobmccarty.com/201(...)r-iii-know-too-much/
quote:According to multiple witness reports, Wheeler was seen in and around Wilmington Dec. 29, acting erratically. A parking attendant near the New Castle Courthouse in Wilmington says that Wheeler was unable to find his car, appeared disoriented and said he had been robbed. She said he was holding one shoe and was not wearing a coat over his suit despite the cold weather.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20027419-504083.html
Hoe zo wilde? Die film is gewoon gemaakt hoor.quote:Op donderdag 9 juni 2011 17:37 schreef GoudIsEcht het volgende:
Mooi topic. Goed voor de krantenlezers van de andere fora die BNW-achtige zaken altijd zo graag categorisch willen ontkennen en ridiculiseren. Lijkt me een overweldige verzameling van 'complotten', nietwaar.
Ook voor in deze serie:
• Talloze leiders uit het M-O en Z-A. Bijvoorbeeld Omar Torijos van Panama.
• Mensen die de Euro tegenwerkten, zoals Anna Lindh uit Zweden, of de Poolse regering onlangs
Fortuyn was al genoemd. Van Gogh (die een film over de dood van Fortuyn wilde maken) ook.
En ging van Gogh voor of na de release dood?quote:Op donderdag 9 juni 2011 20:46 schreef Lambiekje het volgende:
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Hoe zo wilde? Die film is gewoon gemaakt hoor.
voor.: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0419952/releaseinfoquote:Op donderdag 9 juni 2011 20:50 schreef GoudIsEcht het volgende:
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En ging van Gogh voor of na de release dood?
Dan weten we dus niet in hoeverre hij die film gemaakt heeft.quote:Op donderdag 9 juni 2011 21:37 schreef Lambiekje het volgende:
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voor.: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0419952/releaseinfo
Oh, dit is interessant, dank je wel hiervoor, dit ga ik zeker kijken. Ik heb hierover gelezen, al die mensen die sterven rondom Clinton.quote:Op zaterdag 8 januari 2011 21:19 schreef Godfokt het volgende:
Docu over de Clintons, ook veel mensen die zelfmoord pleegde.
Zo'n heilig boontje is hij anders ook niet.quote:Op vrijdag 10 juni 2011 15:52 schreef dadgad het volgende:
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Oh, dit is interessant, dank je wel hiervoor, dit ga ik zeker kijken. Ik heb hierover gelezen, al die mensen die sterven rondom Clinton.
In Trance Formation of America door Catthy Obrien, een verhaal over een ex-mind controlled sex slaaf beschrijft ze Clinton als een cocaine verslaafde bi-seksuele psychopaat, Hillary evenzo.
Ik wou 'm net plaatsen hierquote:Op maandag 18 juli 2011 19:48 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
News of the World phone-hacking whistleblower found dead
Sean Hoare, the former News of the World showbiz reporter who was the first named journalist to allege Andy Coulson was aware of phone hacking by his staff, has been found dead, the Guardian has learned.
"At 10.40am today [Monday 18 July] police were called to Langley Road, Watford, following the concerns for the welfare of a man who lives at an address on the street. Upon police and ambulance arrival at a property, the body of a man was found. The man was pronounced dead at the scene shortly after.
"The death is currently being treated as unexplained, but not thought to be suspicious.
Ja bijvoorbaat al als niet-verdacht aanmerken.quote:Op maandag 18 juli 2011 20:13 schreef StateOfMind het volgende:
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Ik wou 'm net plaatsen hier
Vooral dat laatste zinnetje schreeuwt keihard DOOFPOT.
Je neus breken bij het ophangen van een slinger?? En tegelijk je voet ernstig blesseren doordat een familielid met een zware paal in de weer is?quote:He also said he had been injured the previous weekend while taking down a marquee erected for a children's party. He said he had broken his nose and badly injured his foot when a relative accidentally struck him with a heavy pole from the marquee.
Nou niet meer van hem in ieder geval. En wie nog meer overwoog te gaan praten zal zich nu wel twee keer bedenken.quote:"There's more to come. This is not going to go away," Sean Hoare said.
Die gebroken neus en voet waren duidelijk een waarschuwing, maar hij gaf aan dat ie nog meer te melden had. Zover hebben de belanghebbenden het niet laten komen.quote:Op maandag 18 juli 2011 20:40 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
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Ja bijvoorbaat al als niet-verdacht aanmerken.
Vorige week was hij nog geinterviewd dor de Guardian. Uit datzelfde artikel:
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Je neus breken bij het ophangen van een slinger?? En tegelijk je voet ernstig blesseren doordat een familielid met een zware paal in de weer is?
Tja het kan natuurlijk maar het klinkt meer als "O ik ben tegen een deur aangelopen" als iemand je een blauw oog heeft geslagen.
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Nou niet meer van hem in ieder geval. En wie nog meer overwoog te gaan praten zal zich nu wel twee keer bedenken.
De politie zit er ook tot de nek toe in. En de regering en politici. Het is een grote corrupte bende.quote:Op maandag 18 juli 2011 20:47 schreef StateOfMind het volgende:
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Die gebroken neus en voet waren duidelijk een waarschuwing, maar hij gaf aan dat ie nog meer te melden had. Zover hebben de belanghebbenden het niet laten komen.
Het ligt er zo duimendik bovenop.
En dat de politie meteen al aangeeft het niet als verdacht te beschouwen geeft aan dat er figuren met zeer veel macht (Murdoch/mede-Illuminati die nog achter hem staan) achter zitten.
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