Het gaat er mij om dat mensen die met kinderen op vakantie gaan dezelfde zorgvuldigheid zouden moeten hebben als wanneer ze thuis zijn, thuis zouden ze hun kinderen hopelijk ook niet alleen laten terwijl ze zelf weg gaan.quote:Op zondag 3 februari 2008 22:48 schreef Drijfzand het volgende:
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Omdat zoveel kinderen in kinderopvang verdwijnen of misbruikt worden; of uit hun appartement geroofd worden?
Kom maar op met die cijfers, dan zal ik cijfers geven over ongevallen in de eigen woning, kinderen die sterven in het verkeer, verkrachting of moord door familieleden, etc etc..
Wist je dat er in Nederland vorig jaar 17 kinderen stierven bij ongevallen op een boerenerf?
Of wat denk je van:
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Zeldzaamheden zijn nieuws, dagelijkse gebeurtenissen zijn statistieken...
Misschien even een enquete, hoeveel mensen hier met kinderen hebben enkel beveiligde warmwaterkranen?
Verderop in het artikel:quote:A grim search for Madeleine McCann's body has been launched at an isolated reservoir.
Teams of frogmen began scouring the remote Barragem do Arade amid claims the girl's body was dumped there last May.
The private search - funded by a Portuguese lawyer - came as Portugal's most senior detective admitted that police had rushed into making Kate and Gerry McCann suspects in the case.
Madeleine, then three, disappeared last May during a family holiday in the Algarve
Alipio Ribeiro, the national director of the Policia Judiciaria, said his officers had acted with "a certain hastiness" and should have assessed the evidence again before naming the couple as official suspects.
But he defended his men against claims they had acted under political pressure and had failed to investigate properly.
Last night there were calls for him to resign over the comments, as lawyer Marcos Aragao Correia revealed he was forced to fund the £1,200-a-day reservoir search himself because the police had refused.
Alipio Ribeiro, Portugal's top police man, has admitted that making Kate and Gerry McCann official suspects in Madeleine's disappearance was hasty
The human rights lawyer said he was convinced the massive man-made lake was "the perfect hiding place" for an abductor to conceal a body.
Mr Correia, 32, ordered the search after underworld contacts told him Madeleine was raped, murdered and her body dumped within 48 hours of her disappearance on May 3.
He said he believed the abductor killed the child, weighted down her body and then threw it from a pumping tower into the murky water beneath.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=512164&in_page_id=1770&ito=newsnowquote:Mr Correia told the Mail: "I am convinced this is the place. It's not overlooked, it has easy access by car and if you threw the body from the tower the water is 55ft deep there.
"The divers have already found a cord tied in knots down there, right below the tower. I have given it to the police.
"It's logic that if you throw a body into the water then you would tie it to something to weigh it down."
http://www.dailyrecord.co(...)cann-86908-20309039/quote:POLICE searching for a missing seven-year-old boy in Spain are linking it with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Jeremy Vargas vanished from his home in Gran Canaria just eight weeks before four-year-old Madeleine went missing in Praia da Luz.
Detectives hunting for the boy have told his parents they are now working closely with cops in Portugal.
The development adds weight to Kate and Gerry McCanns' insistence that their daughter was abducted - and that they were not responsible.
The link between the cases was revealed as dive teams searched a murky reservoir for Madeleine's body.
Jeremy's mother Ithaisa Suarez, 24, told yesterday of the striking similarities between the two cases - and her belief that both children may still be alive.
She said: "The specialist police team from Madrid have told me that they have been in contact with the Portuguese police investigating Madeleine. They are working on the theory that people involved in child trafficking are behind these cases."
Jeremy was playing on wasteground behind his home when he disappeared on March 10 last year.
Ithaisa insists both Jeremy and Madeleine, four, were snatched to order and likely sold on by a ruthless gang.
She was the first mother in similar anguished circumstances to write to the McCanns, both 39, when Madeleine disappeared last May. The two griefstricken families exchanged a series of letters.
Nou ja, de Hondt oké maar Peter R. de Vries heeft in mijn ogen wel credits...die maakt niet echt fouten. Yeah Sicko indeed, snotverkouden...quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 00:28 schreef voyeur het volgende:
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@Sicko (kooswoordje hoor). Vond het ook wel een leuke avatar. Heb acht jaar dezelfde gehanteerd, maar in het licht van deze zaak, maar ook de beschuldigingen vanmensen als de Hondt en Peter R. de Vries aan zomaar mensen leek het me wel een passende avator voor een tijdje.
Toch triest, wel tearjerk verhalen over de ouders maar die kinderen niet op die site,quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 11:49 schreef Suko het volgende:
Blijft dan toch opmerkelijk dat het jochie niet wordt vermeld op ICMEC, één van de organisaties vermeld op de site van de McCanns. Net zoals Mari Luz Cortés niet wordt gemeld...Gelezen op het arguido-forum.
Anyway, die zoektocht dan, naast dat er natuurlijk niks zal worden gevonden, Gerry en Kate McCann pas op! Weet jullie nog? "But in a signal that the McCanns are prepared to fight to prove their innocence, they issued a challenge to Portuguese detectives yesterday, saying: “Find the body and prove we killed her.” September 14,2007 Daily Express Overigens is dit verhaal niet meer te lezen via de Daily Mail...
Nou ja, de Hondt oké maar Peter R. de Vries heeft in mijn ogen wel credits...die maakt niet echt fouten. Yeah Sicko indeed, snotverkouden...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/n(...)hook-89520-20309648/quote:Hopes that Kate and Gerry McCann would be dropped from the list of Maddie suspects were dashed yesterday.
Attorney General Jose Pinto Monteiro said their status as arguidos would remain despite the head of the CID admitting that pointing the finger at them had been "hasty".
A source said: "Their legal status will be re-assessed at the appropriate time."
They may now be forced to wait until the end of the criminal investigation before learning their fate.
AdvertisementYesterday there were calls for CID chief Alipio Ribeiro to quit over his comments about the McCanns, both 39, being made suspects over the disappearance of their four-year-old daughter in Praia da Luz in May.
Judge Eurico Reis said: "It is his duty to shut up. This case has had more than enough media exposure."
Media pundit Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa said: "He killed the investigation when he said there was haste in making the McCanns arguidos in the case."
Magistrate Antonio Cluny told Ribeiro to "restrain himself". He added: "I don't know if he's right or not but this conduct of speaking about pending cases is extremely worrying." But a Ribeiro source said he had meant to say that if Kate and Gerry, from Rothley, Leics, had remained witnesses rather than suspects they might have stayed in Portugal to help police. Madeleine's grandad Brian Healey, 67, said of Ribeiro's comments: "I am glad he said it, it will get things moving.The sooner the arguido status is taken off the better."
Local newspaper Diario de Noticias claims police still believe the couple were involved in hiding Madeleine's body. Meanwhile British divers postponed trawling a reservoir for Madeleine's body until next week.
They found only a cord after four days of searching at the site 40 miles from where she vanished.
Mr Healey said: "They haven't found anything yet. We have to believe a miracle can happen.
Metodo 3 has had 250 reported sightings of a suspect after an efit from a description by tourist Gail Cooper was released.
Thnx, wij bevinden ons thans in de hoestfase... Ach ja, mogelijk zijn de McCanns alleen (vermiste) kindjes aan het verzamelen voor eigen doeleinden/carrières, zie dit verhaaltje van Kate. Die duikers hebben gezocht op een plek die al was gecheckt, Sky News: "The divers are not police officers and detectives have already checked the reservoir and ruled it out."quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 11:51 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Toch triest, wel tearjerk verhalen over de ouders maar die kinderen niet op die site,
Je krijgt gelijk over dat niets vinden helaas.
Beterschap sicky!
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Ben spontaan een beetje 'misselijk'... Mischien hebben de McCanns helemaal geen tax-zorgjes als je dit bericht leest Diário de Notícias:quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 15:51 schreef kahaarin het volgende: >knip<
Ik ben nu wel benieuwd hoe dat belastingtechnisch zal gaan, wordt alles wat er gestort is bij het inkomen van Gerry en Kate opgeteld? Dan mogen ze wel geld reserveren voor de belastingaanslag.
(hoestfase, zit het al los of ben je nog lekker aan het blaffen? Iig sterkte en beterschap.)
Ook de Daily Mail bericht hierover: Madeleine police 'to clear McCanns but admit case will never be solved' Kan ook een enorme spin zijn, of een oneigenlijke druk vanuit de UK, of de Portugezen zijn het goed zat vanwege de bureaucratische tegenwerking van de UK, of of of....quote:Alípio Ribeiro "drops" Maddie's case
By admitting that there was "haste" in constituting the parents of Madeleine McCann as arguidos for the disappearance of their daughter nine months ago in Praia da Luz, near Lagos, the Director of the National Judicial Police (PJ), Alípio Ribeiro, will be preparing the public opinion to the possibility that an accusation will not be made due to the lack of conclusive evidence. The idea is that the positions assumed by the director of PJ in public statements mean that he "has dropped" the case, have admitted to the DN sources that have accompanied the research of Maddie's case from the beginning.
With renown lawyers, both in England and in Portugal, which already exploited the declarations of Alípio Ribeiro, and a professional support, the McCanns may even be relieved of the status of arguidos within months, they are subjected to the minimum measure of coercion established in the Code of Criminal Procedure, the term of identity and residence, for which they indicated their residence in the English city of Rothley. After Alípio Ribeiro has said in an interview to Radio Renascença and Público newspaper that there has been precipitation in the constitution of the couple as arguidos, one of the couple's lawyers Rogerio Alves has said that the defense would ask that Kate and Gerry McCann stopped being arguidos in the process, which has as first arguido the Portuguese-British Robert Murat.
Possible filling
The consequent filling of the process could be the way forward, in a much more pessimistic perspective of sources connected to the issue that were contacted by the DN, although the PJ at Algarve continues committed to unveil the mystery, keeping as a stronger line of research the thesis of accidental death of the English child in the apartment 5A of the "Ocean Club" in Praia da Luz. That's why the words of Alípio Ribeiro have caused discomfort within the judicial police.
If the process is filed, for many will remain the belief that there was "one hundred percent political pressure" by the British. As the DN already said, a sense of "rebellion" continues installed between researchers face the recent statements made by Alípio Ribeiro, although the national director of the PJ has tried to appease them with an apology, trying to make believe that he was misunderstood when he spoke the word "precipitation" concerning the constitution of the couple as arguidos.
"I do not know if there will be arrests"
However, this was not the only reference to the case made by Alípio Ribeiro. In an interview published in the weekly newspaper Expresso on the 17/11/2007, after considering that "we work now better than at the beginning of the investigation," with "more restraint and calm," the national director of Judicial Police had left a warning: " I do not know if there will be arrests in Maddie's case. "
A position contradicted by investigators, to whom there are evidence that could lead to the arrest of Kate McCann for suspicion of involvement in the death and concealment of the body of her daughter, body who could have been buried or thrown at the sea in a bag.
Although Alípio Ribeiro has made these successive public statements - first, that arrests would not be made in Maddie's case and then that there was precipitation in the constitution of the McCanns as arguidos - the PJ never believed in the version of abduction transmitted by parents and these were constituted arguidos in September after the British sniffer dogs flagged several locations where the corpse of Madeleine McCann passed through from the apartment where she was spending holidays with her parents and twin brothers to the Church of Nossa Senhora da Luz, towards the beach. Bron+reacties
Hey Suko, hoe is het nu? Weer wat beter?quote:Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 14:11 schreef Suko het volgende:
Ben spontaan een beetje 'misselijk'... Mischien hebben de McCanns helemaal geen tax-zorgjes als je dit bericht leest Diário de Notícias:
Ook de Daily Mail bericht hierover: Madeleine police 'to clear McCanns but admit case will never be solved' Kan ook een enorme spin zijn, of een oneigenlijke druk vanuit de UK, of de Portugezen zijn het goed zat vanwege de bureaucratische tegenwerking van de UK, of of of....
Opvallend is wel dat ze het over Kate hebben: "Detectives in the Algarve are said to be furious over Mr Ribeiro's comments as they believe there is enough evidence to charge Kate McCann with involvement in her daughter's death, it was reported."
En verder schrijft de telegraph er vandaag over dat de Portugese bevolking er iig niet blij mee is: "The decision is said to have caused outrage among the Portuguese public." "Many people in Portugal believe the case against the couple, both 39-year-old doctors from Rothley, Leics, is being dropped because of political pressure from the UK." Maar vooralsnog kán het Clarrie-spin zijn of een tactiek what ever, maar het gaat me danig irriteren, eigenlijk...
Er zal wel weer iets verkeerd zijn gegaan in de vertaling of interpretatie, Ribiero had een poosje niet met zijn neus in de krant gestaan dus moest hij even iets kwijt zeker.quote:A senior Portuguese policeman today claimed his officers have more important problems than finding Madeleine McCann. Carlos Anjos, head of the Judicial Police Inspectors Union, made the extraordinary statement that "there are bigger problems in the PJ (Judicial Police) than the Maddie case"
Carlos Anjos, head of the Judicial Police Inspectors Union, made the extraordinary statement that "there are bigger problems in the PJ (Judicial Police) than the Maddie case."
Mr Anjos, who has previously been highly critical of Gerry and Kate McCann, was quoted in Portuguese daily newspaper 24 Horas.
His comments came after national director of the PJ Alipio Ribeiro said in an interview that the authorities had acted "hastily" in making the McCanns formal suspects in their daughter's disappearance.
Mr Anjos said: "We heard the director's explanations and we are going to continue to try to clear things up duly.
"The subject should be discussed internally and not in the newspapers.
"Everybody has a right to speak, and sometimes not to express themselves well.
"There are bigger problems in the PJ than the Maddie case, with all the respect it deserves."
He added: "I am certain that all of my colleagues involved in the investigation are doing everything they can to discover what happened."
Mr Anjos's comments are certain to disappoint Madeleine's parents, who believe their daughter may still be alive and are desperate for police to continue the search.
They have hired private detectives Metodo 3 at a rate of £50,000-a-month because they believe the PJ have failed to follow up vital leads.
The police union leader's remarks come a day after senior police sources claimed the case is set to be closed and the parents' status as formal suspects revoked.
Portuguese police believe Madeleine died in the McCanns rented holiday apartment in Praia da Luz and her parents then disposed of her body.
The McCanns, both 39-year-old doctors from Rothley, Leics, insist Madeleine was abducted last May 3, a few days short of her fourth birthday.
Mr Anjos has previously accused the couple of hampering the investigation and publicly questioned why they had waited 40 minutes before calling police when they discovered their daughter was missing.
He has also described their decision to hire private detectives as a "diversionary tactic." Meanwhile the Portuguese Justice Minister Alberto Costa has defended Alipio Ribeiro following his comments that officers acted "hastily" in making the couple suspects.
The minister said: "The fact that the national director of the PJ continues in his job says everything that I think about this matter."
Mr Ribeiro has come under fire from former heads of the PJ over his statement.
And Antonio Cluny, president of the District Attorney and Magistrates Council, urged him to show "restraint and reserve".
However, senior police sources claim Mr Ribeiro was preparing the public for the idea that the case may never be solved and nobody ever charged over Madeleine's disappearance.
Hai Kahaarin Yeps much better, ik ken 't verloop van mijn verhoudheidjes, thnx. Nou ja, ik denk wel dat de Portugezen dat gedoe met de UK vet zat zijn. Ik begrijp die opmerking wel van Alípio Ribeiro, als getuigen hadden de McCanns meer mee kunnen werken ipv als Arguido's (recht van zwijgen), maar ja, veel vragen wensten ze toen ook al niet te beantwoorden dus meewerken was voor die status ook al knudde. De minister van Justitie Alberto Costa houdt vertrouwen in Ribeiro ondanks het gesodemieter maar wijdt er niet veel woorden aan: "In spite of the confidence shown by the Minister of Justice in Alípio Ribeiro after his declarations on the case McCann, the criticism continues to the national director of the PJ. In the program “ Quadratura do Circulo*”, of the SIC News Channel, the centrist Lobo Xavier and the social democrat Pacheco Pereira defended the dismissal of Alípio Ribeiro. Also the socialist Jorge Coelho did not save criticisms to Alípio Ribeiro finding his declarations "unfortunate" on the “Maddie’s case ”. Meantime, the Minister of the Justice, Alberto Costa, reiterated the confidence in the director of the Judiciary Police.quote:Op donderdag 7 februari 2008 10:42 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Hey Suko, hoe is het nu? Weer wat beter?
Er wordt al weer iets genuanceerd hoor, Brits gespin imho.
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Er zal wel weer iets verkeerd zijn gegaan in de vertaling of interpretatie, Ribiero had een poosje niet met zijn neus in de krant gestaan dus moest hij even iets kwijt zeker.
(Ik had gisteren mijn neefje weer op bezoek, even geen tijd gehad voor uitgebreid posten, jongetjes van 2 zijn een beetje bewerkelijk. )
Nou, persoonlijk ben ik van mening dat je elke associatie met de McCanns moet vermijden zolang niet absoluut duidelijk is wat er is gebeurd. Sowieso hebben ze IMO hun reputatie verloren met het avond aan avond alleen laten van heel jonge kinderen, met geopende deuren/onafgesloten hekjes, een voorbeeld hoe je kind(eren) idd vermist kan raken...Er zijn overigens genoeg organisaties die zich met vermiste kinderen bezighouden, opzouten met die McCanns!quote:Op donderdag 7 februari 2008 13:00 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Tja Suko, ik denk dat iedereen het gedoe wel zat is, nietemin zou ik het heel erg vinden als deze zaak een stoffig archiefstuk wordt, net als zoveel vermiste kinderzaken, de marketingmachine heeft zo veel overuren gedraait idd dat velen het wel best vinden, het zou me niets verbazen als dat een tactiek is geweest.
Ik zou niet willen dat het Maddy fund niet ingezet zou worden voor andere kinderen die ook vermist zijn en wiens ouders het niet kunnen betalen om een onderzoek in te stellen, zoals het nu lijkt blijft al dat geld in handen van de McCanns, het is dan ook heel slim opgezet allemaal.
Het lijkt er nu echt op dat de verzoeken om de McCanns en de Tapas 7 te ondervragen zijn verzonden en nu de UK aan zet is:quote:The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell hit out, saying that unofficial sites such as these distract from the search for Madeleine. He said: "This man did not seek our permission. We have not cooperated in any shape or form. Most of this is ill-informed comment at best. While some of it might be accurate, this sort of site runs the risk of repeating mistakes." He added: "He's now seeking money to maintain the site. We'd rather people's efforts and money went to helping to find Madeleine." The Sun
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------quote:"Letters to British authorities have been sent - 24 horas The letters rogatory for the purpose of re-questioning the McCanns and their seven friends who dined with them at a restaurant in the Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Algarve, have now been forwarded for the second time to the British Home Office, the equivalent of our Ministry for the Interior. This comes after, as 24horas reported last week, the first letters were returned for merely bureaucratic reasons. The British authorities were of the opinion that the request should be formalised directly by the Public Prosector’s Office and not via Eurojust. An official Prosecutor’s Office communiqué which stated that it was trying to iron out a problem with which it had nothing to do led to a climate of tension between Eurojust and Prosecutor Office officials, but it has now been resolved. Now, Prosecutor Magalhães e Menezes, who is in charge of the process, is waiting for green light from Britain to send a PJ team there." Bron < Don't push the button...
"The purpose of that, is to try to "make clear" once and for all, the situations that occurred in the evening of May 3, and as well investigate the "contradictions" in the statements given to the PJ by the parents of the child and their friends. In the travel to the United Kingdom the Inspectors will also seize Kate McCann's diary to be used as evidence in court, in which Maddie’s mum speaks of her difficulty in handling a hyperactive daughter. Another object of interest for the investigation is the famous pink cuddly toy that the girl had always in her possession and that was put on view by the mother in Praia da Luz. The English sniffer dogs, experts in detecting cadaver scent reacted upon that object, which strengthened the suspicions of the police surrounding the death of Madeleine, after having expressed the same alert signal in the apartment from where the child was taken." Bron Dus ik weet niet of het afhangt van de verhoren wat betreft de Tapas 7 of de McCanns ook worden verhoord. Overigens door Britse cops gedaan in aanwezigheid van de Portugezen. Maar ik stel me er voor de rest niks van voor, omgeven door top-juristen en de backing van hoger geplaatsten, een farce...quote:Op donderdag 7 februari 2008 20:46 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Het zou op zich een opmerkelijke wending zijn als ook de McCann's weer ondervraagd zouden worden. Tot nu toe had ik begrepen dat alleen de Tapas7 gehoord zouden worden en dat op basis van hun antwoorden besloten zou kunnen worden om de twee arguidos te verzoeken naar Portugal te komen.
Dat lijkt ook logischer. De tapas7 kun je niet naar Portugal roepen, dus dat moet je met die vooraf vastgestelde vragen doen. Erg lastig omdat je dus niet kan improviseren tijdens het verhoor op basis van informatie van de andere verhoren. Voor de McCann's geldt dat je absolute vrijheid wil en niet een lijstje vooraf bepaalde vragen. Dat kan alleen door ze naar Portugal te halen.
Kortom het zou me verwonderen als Kate en Gerry nu gehoord gaan worden.
quote:Warning: This is a totally one-sided and biased view of the McCann saga – just like the newspapers give.
"Last May, when I noticed a headline “Toddler snatched in Portugal” (or abducted – I don't remember which) together with a photo of those two now familiar faces – Gerry and Kate McCann, my immediate thought was: 'In Portugal! What's that to do with us here in the UK? are we now going to have to suffer the agonies of parents all over the world whose children go missing?' Nine months down the line I realise that the 'abduction' of Madeleine McCann by a person, or a gang, variously described as 'paedophile', 'creepy man', 'man with no face', 'loner'; 'outsider'; predator; Moroccan gypsies'...and a number of other insulting epithets, has a great deal to do with us as a nation, or, more accurately, a great deal to do with the ways and means by which the population of our once great country is being manipulated and controlled. The ceaseless and hypocritical focusing of attention on children, making them icons and untouchable is a ploy that has been used by the government and media for a long time in order to create division and repression as children have been given power without responsibility and adults responsibility without power. 'Celebrity' and, of course, the old standby, sex are other diversionary tactics.
This unhealthy concentration diverts attention from the things that are happening, or not happening, in the country, and really matter to the majority of us: the fact that our city streets are unsafe, admitted even by our own Home Secretary; the fact that Northern Rock is being bailed out by the public to the tune of billions of pounds and then handed over to someone filthy rich, like Richard Branson (yes, the same Richard Branson who has committed £100,000 to the McCanns in the event of a trial); the fact that Gordon Brown promised a referendum on the EU ...where is it?; the possibility (far-fetched, but maybe not) that when he went to China recently he gave them a lease on the UK for several trillion Yen – or just enough to last him until the next election in 2010....But, no worries. Just stick a picture of a female, as deshabillé as possible - Posh Spice, pregnant Angelina Jolie, pregnant (or crazy) Britney Spears, drugged and maybe pregnant Amy Winehouse – or the photogenic, and to some - sexy - Kate McCann (and that child she lost...oh, yes, Madeleine)... on the front page of the newspapers, and Brown and his drones can quietly go about their business.
So for months now we've had to read endless, usually dredged up, stories about the McCanns' 'search' for their 'abducted' daughter everywhere (everywhere except where she went missing) and about their “agony”, “heartbreak”, “anguish”, “despair”, “grief”, and their spokesperson Clarence Mitchell's accusations of 'ludicrous smears' and, of course and most importantly, reported “rage” from the McCann camp (when things weren't quite going to plan).
But there is more to this tale. It is a success story, a mystery and a red warning light. The McCann circus got off to a good start. The loss of their little girl either to a paedophile abductor, or because of an accident or murder, or even because she had been hidden, to appear again at the 'right' moment, was turned into a corporate venture in no time: a Fund collecting money from the public, with carefully worded small print allowing the McCanns to use the money for their own purposes (two mortgage repayments so far to our knowledge), the web-site selling tat – T-shirts, wristbands, posters with the copyrighted 'Madeleine' and eye coloboma logos. And this is only the beginning. If the couple's 'arguido/a' status is lifted what glittering prizes are a little way down the line? The USA, Oprah Winfrey, books, tv shows, possibly government funded children's ambassadorial job for Kate, political opportunity in the Labour Party for Gerry...a film, already under discussion - a remake of “Gone with the Wind” would be appropriate with Kate as Scarlett – and Madeleine? Well, she's the one who's gone with the wind – as Kate said on a recent tv programme “Whoosh, clunk, and she was gone!
Now, to the 'mystery' which is this: Why did the British government under Blair send out paid personnel to help Mr and Mrs McCann? One, the couple's spokesperson Clarence Mitchell, former Head of the government's Media Monitoring Unit, is still helping to obstruct the course of justice by spin and obfuscation. He is now being paid £70,000 a year for his efforts by double glazing multi-millionaire Brian Kennedy. Why did Gordon Brown, who had ample opportunity to rescind Blair's thoughtfulness towards the McCanns, not do so? On the contrary, he put himself out considerably to help the McCanns with long phone calls, arranging meetings for them with our Home Secretary Jacqui Smith (the one who is scared to go out on the streets at night) and with David Miliband the Foreign Secretary. It was only after the couple were made suspects by the Portuguese police that Mr. Brown drew back a little and refused them the high level meeting they wanted when they fled from Portugal back to the UK in September.
Nonetheless Brown is generally thought to have leaned quite hard on the Portuguese Prime Minister Mr. Socrates at the time of the Lisbon Summit last November – to perhaps go easy on the couple...to obfuscate a little, give the Brits time to...well, time to what? After this visit to Portugal by Mr. Brown in November, the British press were even more vociferous in their support of the pair calling the Portuguese police variously “Keystone cops”, “Blundering”; “Sardine Munchers” and a lot of other choice names. This despite the compelling forensic evidence gathered by the Portuguese and British police and important phone interceptions, which they claimed, on 4th August last year, had given them the evidence that Madeleine was dead.
Why has our government gone out on a limb to help the McCanns? It is unprecedented. Why have UK newspapers not only vociferously supported the McCanns but also viciously attacked the Portuguese police and our oldest ally Portugal itself?
I can only think of one reason for each of these questions. I think the government has a vested interest in helping the McCanns to hide the truth and the newspapers have a vested interest in keeping this story running at whatever cost to the integrity of journalism and to our nation as a whole. To take the newspapers first. They no longer reflect opinion, they lead it. Remember the 'News of the World' in 2000 and its editor Rebekah Wade, when a mob of people in Portsmouth were whipped up, after the child Sarah Payne's murder? Ms.Wade had published photos and names of known sex offenders in the area. As a result two men facing sex offence charges committed suicide and the mob eventually stoned a pediatrician's home, knowing no better. In a country with an increasing number of people who don't or can't think for themselves or evaluate things and situations, it is easy to inflame and indeed, suppress opinion; to create action and more often, inaction. The media is now a weapon, and it is being used to control us. Newspapers are not now there to report news, they are there to make it. And this is the reason why the pro-McCann saga goes on and on. It suits the newspaper editors, it suits the government. And they're in this together.
Now why the government has stuck its neck out for this pair of nonentities is quite hard to determine. Is it perhaps because Gerry McCann is a Scotsman? Scotland has been flavour of the month for years now but more so now that Brown is in charge. Is it because Mr. McCann is on COMARE, an organisation which assesses the links between nuclear power and childhood cancer and Gordon Brown's brother is with EDF, the company charged with progressing the nuclear industry in Britain? Or is it because the couple are perceived to be middle-class? Yet here is the dichotomy: to be 'middle class' in the UK now is like declaring yourself a leper. The middle classes are reviled, denied, abused - leaving the country in droves for more welcoming climes; almost non-existent, so why should being middle-class help their case and bring them such comfort and support from government? After all, we're living in the age of the child, and they harmed a child, while on holiday in Portugal, by leaving her alone with her two siblings every night in a dark miserable apartment, in order that they could drink and dine with their friends. Most people would regard this, at least, as a punishable offence but the McCanns haven't been censured and they haven't been reviled by the media for their gross neglect or had their other two children removed as would surely have happened if they had been a 'normal' working-class couple.
So, assuming they are not being helped and protected because Gerry is Scottish or Kate is from Liverpool (which is well-known for producing very sensitive people), or that they are 'middle class' one wonders what is the reason? Perhaps a clue was given by a relative of the McCanns: “We've pulled in a few favours” he said. What favours, I wonder. And favours given to who by whom? Is the reason the government appears to be so keen to protect the McCanns and stall on the investigation because the McCanns may have some knowledge which might be damaging to someone in the upper echelons of power? We can only speculate what this might be in connection with their missing, presumed dead, little girl.
Isn't it also a little strange that Gerry McCann's first call after the disappearance of the child was not to the police but to his best mate from Glasgow University Alistair Clark (now Professor of Political Science & Research at Queens University, Belfast and Assessor of English Working Government). Mr. McCann's delayed reaction allowed the village of Praia de Luz and their friends to trample all over the apartment thus conveniently destroying the forensic evidence. After receiving McCann's call Clark then phoned the British Ambassador John Buck, and Sky News. Kirsty Wark of the BBC became involved then Jill Renwick (another media type) who knew John Brown (Gordon's brother) and finally the great man himself.
So, to the warning red light I mentioned. I see the McCann case as a catalyst. The British newspapers over the last nine months, especially, of course, the gutter press have sunk lower with their biased and abusive reporting of this saga than one could ever have imagined. Yes, we on the outside have been able to pick up a few bits and pieces of information but, speaking personally, most of what I have gleaned has been from erudite and informed people on this forum, for instance, or from translations from foreign newspapers or from my own gut instinct, observation and reading between the lines. As for the government – they already had a reputation for mendaciousness and cover-up, for statism and control, and for clearly demonstrated utter ineptness. Since Brown's ascendency, in my opinion, things have got worse. So the conclusion one comes to is that we, the public, are regarded as being like the proverbial mushrooms – 'keep them in the dark and feed them xxxx!' In this the government is ably assisted by the media. We must heed the red light, and resist it all." Judith C
Met als conclusie: "The anguish and desperation of her parents account for the Spanish detective-agency’s lucrative contract. The boasting and apparent false hopes fed to them by Marco could yet prove to be his downfall."quote:THE SUNDAY TIMES : “Madeleine McCann and Metodo 3: Private eyes, public lies”
“Paid £50,000 a month to find Madeleine McCann, the Spanish detective Francisco Marco said he hoped to have her home for Christmas. He issued this photofit of a suspect last month; it set off a media frenzy, but Portuguese police say it has ‘no credibility’. Christine Toomey turns the tables on a private eye who is anything but…
An interview with Francisco Marco. His company is being paid £50,000 a month by the McCann’s fighting fund
“We won’t answer any questions about Maddie. Maddie is off limits – is that understood?” Marco’s cousin Jose Luis, another of the agency’s employees, warns me sternly.”
But they are not the police. What can they not talk about the big case? It was Mr Franciso who told he’d find Madeleine by Christmas – last Christmas.
“I cannot ask him to clarify what he did say, or whether talking about an ongoing investigation is potentially detrimental. Instead, I am left to discuss the matter with a handful of other private detective agencies in Barcelona, the private-eye capital of Spain. What they tell me is disturbing”
Marco walks in. Does he bring his Maddy dolly? And:
“Marco slaps on the table a 144-page pre-prepared dossier of articles written in the Spanish press about himself and M-3. He goes on to list some of those in the city he says I have already been speaking to about his company. Had my movements been monitored? If so, why would a private detective agency be interested in this at a time when they were supposed to be tirelessly searching for the most famous missing child in the world?”
Fame.
“In most of the many pictures of himself included in the material he hands me” Metodo 3 is the most famous private detective agency in Europe.
“He seems eager to please. He summons a female assistant on several occasions to bring me material, including a book he has recently written, to illustrate what he is talking about. Even when I make it clear this is not necessary – aware that these distractions eat into the time we have to talk – he insists, partly showing off”
Then:
“When I ask about his background, Marco summons her [secretary] to photocopy the first pages of his doctoral thesis on private investigation: he has a master’s degree and a PhD in penal law”
Nou, Scotland Yard zou zich er wel eens mee kunnen gaan bemoeien, goedemiddag trouwens ,quote:Op zondag 10 februari 2008 09:45 schreef Suko het volgende:
Het zou mij eigenlijk niks verbazen als straks de McCanns het onderzoekstouw overnemen van Metodo 3, dat bureau heeft het voorwerk gedaan (contract loop eind maart af), en nu gaat blijken wat ze vooral niet hebben gedaan (Madeleine zoeken) is het tijd echt van start te gaan, iets wat ze altijd al voor ogen hadden...maar dit is een zondagse overweging mijnerzijds.
quote:SCOTLAND Yard is being urged to investigate the disappearance of Madeleine McCann as the flawed Portuguese police inquiry appears doomed to failure.
Retired Chief Superintendent Dai Davies, former head of the Yard’s Royal Protection unit, says that if the Yard can send detectives to probe the assassination of Benazir Bhutto in Pakistan, then they should also fly to Portugal to try and solve the Madeleine mystery.
Mr Davies says the Yard’s elite kidnap and ransom squad should open a Madeleine file because of their knowledge and experience in handling seemingly unsolvable crimes.
He said: “The Portuguese investigation has quite simply not solved the crime and it is now looking increasingly likely that it will be shelved.
“I would suggest that this is the time to call on the Yard to take the lead and to get them to form a team of detectives to work on the case. They would obviously have to spend time in Portugal, assessing the known evidence, looking at potential suspects and reinterviewing when necessary.”
Now a respected expert in security and protection for rich clients around the world, Mr Davies has travelled to Praia da Luz and closely studied the lay out of the Mark Warner complex and the entry points to the McCanns’ holiday apartment from where Madeleine disappeared shortly before her fourth birthday on May 3 last year.
He concluded that her parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, both 39, were not involved in her disappearance. And he says there is a strong possibility that Madeleine was abducted for a purpose, probably to be sexually abused, and was later killed.
Mr Davies said Yard officers would bring a clear strategy to the investigation. He said: “The officers on the kidnap squad deal with hundreds of abductions a year, the vast majority of which are dealt with satisfactorily and competently. They work quietly and diligently to get results by following tried and tested strategies which work and deliver solutions.
Goed issie, of niet dan!quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 14:24 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Mr Davies has travelled to Praia da Luz and closely studied the lay out of the Mark Warner complex and the entry points to the McCanns’ holiday apartment from where Madeleine disappeared shortly before her fourth birthday on May 3 last year.
He concluded that her parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, both 39, were not involved in her disappearance.
Dus hij was op het complex, keek naar de ramen en deuren en wist toen plots dat de McCann's het niet gedaan hadden. Amazing!
Zo zo, Metodo 3 heeft maar liefst 40 man aan het werk, mmmm, The Times (en in december 2007 de Daily Mail ook al) meldde vorige week (in een artikel die eigenlijk Metodo 3 volledig afbrand) bij monde van één van de PI's: "So he has a team of others to do the legwork, I argue. Another long sigh. “Not as many as he claims,” comes the response. On this point, all those I speak to agree. None believes M-3’s claims that it has 40 people working on the hunt for Madeleine, since the maximum number M-3 employs in its Barcelona office, they believe, is a dozen, with another few in its Madrid branch." Je kan gewoon lezen dat Clarence Mitchell reageert op dat inmiddels geroemde artkel uit The Times en probeert zich eruit te lullen, tjonge jonge, hoe lang kan dit nog door gaan, in wat voor mega-coverup is de UK verzeild geraakt...quote:Kate and Gerry McCann's private detectives are charging the Find Madeleine fund £50,000 a month in expenses alone, it has been revealed. The Spanish agency Metodo 3 has racked up huge bills since it was appointed to the case in September and is charging them to the publicly funded appeal. The costs are in addition to their £8,000 monthly fee, which is paid by one of the couple's millionaire supporters.
Metodo 3's expenses are the biggest single cost to the rapidly dwindling fund, which raised £1.2million in public donations but is expected to run dry within months. It was previously thought that the detective agency was hired for a flat, monthly fee of £50,000 for their services.
But the Mail can reveal today that it accepted a deal of £8,000-a-month, plus unlimited expenses to take on the high profile case, which has boosted its international reputation. If its 'operational costs' top £50,000 then the excess is met by the McCanns' wealthy backers, who include double glazing tycoon Brian Kennedy and Virgin boss Sir Richard Branson. Mr Kennedy is due to review Metodo 3's six-month contract before it expires next month, amid criticism that the agency has failed to find any solid evidence about what happened to Madeleine.
Its director, Francisco Marco, has also angered Mr and Mrs McCann with his public boasts that he was 'very close' to finding their daughter, and even that he hoped to return her to her family by Christmas. The couple's spokesman Clarence Mitchell insisted the agency were 'doing valuable work on the ground'. He confirmed the financial arrangements behind the six-month contract but insisted the £50,000-a-month from the fund was only used to cover 'legitimate operational costs'.
Mr Mitchell said: "The monthly fee for their services is about £8,000. The £50,000 is for legitimate operational costs - having people scattered around different countries, hiring vehicles, hiring property to stay in and hotel bills. A private operation like this does cost money in terms of seeking information. It is something that needs that sustained level of funding to work. Private investigations are not cheap. The fund contributes £50,000 a month of publicly donated money because it's money to help find her. We feel that's proper use of that money."
Metodo 3 has claimed to have up to 40 agents working on the case in up to six different countries, including Morocco, Portugal and Britain. It has been criticised for lavish spending, including moving its offices into one of the most prestigious streets in Barcelona in December.
But Mr Mitchell said the majority of the spending allowance went on travel, transport and accommodation for the teams of detectives. He said: "People think it's £50,000 going straight into Francisco Marco's pocket, and that it's paying for them to move into plush new offices. Nothing could be further from the truth. They have taken this case on because it gives them a certain profile and prestige, not because it's going to make them rich. That money is used purely for legitimate operational costs and the fund is invoiced in full, as they would be for any expenses claim, which is effectively what it is. Their expenses are paid by the fund."
Metodo 3's involvement in the Madeleine case has proved controversial. Five senior members of the firm, including Mr Marco, were arrested over a phone-tapping scandal in 1995 and accused of spying. The case was later dropped over claims of police entrapment, but they were also threatened with arrest in Portugal.
Under Portuguese law it is illegal for a private investigation to be carried out on a case that is being pursued by the police, and the agency was warned not to speak to police witnesses. But Jennifer Murat, the mother of the first named suspect Robert Murat, has accused its detectives of bribing witnesses to change their accounts and has said she fears they are working to frame her expat son.
Mr Mitchell's comments that Metodo 3 has spent money 'seeking information' will fuel speculation that the agency has paid individuals for evidence.
Meanwhile, the McCanns, both 39, were said to be 'encouraged' by reports that their status as official suspects in the case will be reviewed after their friends have been re-interviewed. Portugal's Attorney General Fernando Pinto Monteiro told the newspaper Expresso: "The couple's legal status will be considered at the appropriate moment, depending on various elements still to be obtained."
The newspaper reported that the McCanns would only remain as suspects if the new interrogations of their friends, the so-called Tapas Seven, revealed 'screaming contradictions'.
Goedemorgen y'all!quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 20:24 schreef Suko het volgende:
Hoi Kahaarin en Voyeur. Iemand die al enige tijd in contact staat met praatjesmaker Clarence Mitchell moet je nooit vertrouwen, een eerder artikel van Mister Dai Davis Sep 27 2007: Retired North Wales cop backs McCanns over Madeleine En Beachy (een ex-cop) van dit forum merkt puntig op: "Forgive me, Mr. Davies, you could have fooled me. Based on my 28 1/2 years in police work, I thought the objective of an investigation was to SOLVE THE CRIME, not to "offer support" to the suspects. This is unbelievable. Absolutely unbelievable. The reaction of the British press and power structure to this case is going to make Britain a laughingstock in law enforcement all over the world." Ze verwijst hierbij naar nog een stukje in het gewraakte Express-artikel. Die Dai Davis schrijft ook stukkies (eentje zoals deze) in The Mirror nou dan weet je het wel....Mitchell kan makkelijk putten uit tig van dit soort ouwe politie-figuren (met meestal een eigen privé-detectivebureautje) die maar al te kien zijn een commentaartje te geven, altijd goed voor wéér een stukje in de pers en de naam Scotland Yard wekt vertrouwen, ondanks dat het niets doet met de zaak...
Een inkijkje wat Metodo 3 met de centen doet, Daily Mail: McCanns' private detectives charging Find Madeleine fund £50,000 per month in EXPENSES
Zo zo, Metodo 3 heeft maar liefst 40 man aan het werk, mmmm, The Times (en in december 2007 de Daily Mail ook al) meldde vorige week (in een artikel die eigenlijk Metodo 3 volledig afbrand) bij monde van één van de PI's: "So he has a team of others to do the legwork, I argue. Another long sigh. “Not as many as he claims,” comes the response. On this point, all those I speak to agree. None believes M-3’s claims that it has 40 people working on the hunt for Madeleine, since the maximum number M-3 employs in its Barcelona office, they believe, is a dozen, with another few in its Madrid branch." Je kan gewoon lezen dat Clarence Mitchell reageert op dat inmiddels geroemde artkel uit The Times en probeert zich eruit te lullen, tjonge jonge, hoe lang kan dit nog door gaan, in wat voor mega-coverup is de UK verzeild geraakt...
Hooooooooooi Kahaarin. Indeed, en het is zo ongelofelijk doorzichtig, als het allemaal niet zo dieptriest was geweest zou je moeten denken aan een ordinaire b-film, met een volkomen minachting voor ten eerste Madeleine én het toekijkend publiek, waarvan de bedenkers+pers van deze pulp kennelijk van mening zijn dat wij er allemaal intrappen....not!quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 10:36 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Goedemorgen y'all!
Inderdaad, ik ben bang dat het een spelletje wie het langst kan staren zonder te knipperen is geworden, niemand wil toegeven of wegkijken, er zijn zo veel hoge heren bij gehaald dat die echt niet meer gaan terughalen, dat zou immers betekenen dat ze moeten toegeven dat ze fout zaten.
Het gaat echt niet meer om dat kleine meisje, het gaat om gezichtsverlies van mensen die zich dat eigenlijk niet kunnen veroorloven, dat krijg je als je je mee laat zuigen in de verhalen van Gerry McCann.
(in kleur) Zelf vind ik de nieuwe creep wel wat op Jeremy Wilkins (rechts dus) lijken, degene die even met Gerry op die fatale avond stond te beppen terwijl Jane Tanner voorbij wandelde. (But Mr Wilkins said he did not see Ms Tanner or the mystery man and that it would have been impossible for them to be there without him seeing them. bron)quote:BIZARRE NEW E-FITS OF MADDY SUSPECT "These creepy pictures of a suspect sought over missing Madeleine McCann were released yesterday.
Criminal psychologists believe previous images of a long-haired bearded man spotted on the night of the disappearance did not properly reflect descriptions given by witnesses. Now they have created these computer efits by merging the earlier sketches commissioned by Kate and Gerry McCann.
Portuguese academics Paulo Sargento and Pedro Gamito composed the pictures using a specially-designed computer programme. The duo have previously created a 3D model of the night Madeleine disappeared to suggest her abductor would only have had an eight-minute window in which to strike. McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "Although we're grateful for assistance, we hope this image will not cause confusion to the public. The image is not to be confused with the one we released, which is as accurate a likeness as possible."
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------quote:Faces analysis techniques point to failures in the McCanns description "The kidnapping thesis is ludicrous"
A 3 dimensional video, made by the team Paulo Sargento and Pedro Gamito ridicules the photo-fits
The work was made during a week by the forensic psychologist Paulo Sargento in partnership with the technological engineer Pedro Gamito.The team juxtaposed the three photo-fits that existed from the presumable kidnapper and work them in 20 programs of faces analysis. And dismounted the kidnapping thesis, "The kidnapping thesis is ludicrous" defends Paulo Sargento.
The video begins with the first image of the kidnapper (the faceless man) walking with the kid in his arms. In the subtitles, in English, the researcher questions: "How can the first description of the kidnapper be so vague? 1,70 meters high, dark skin, Mediterranean hair. Six months after the first description a second image: "Is it possible not to see the face of someone that carries a child and notice the beige trousers the brown jacket and the classic shoes?"
The video shows "the intuition form of looking to someone that carries a child".You look from the waist to the head and not from the waist to the feet. Eight months after, the last photo fit the face of the man with beard and long hair. "We show that this photo-fit is inconsistent with the first one. Curiously it keeps the brown jacket and the dark hair, the only common characteristics", referred to 24 Horas Paulo Sargento.
"Neanderthal style"
The "superciliary arcades" (the frontal cranium behind the eyebrows) are the style of the Neanderthal man and point to an archetype of the criminal" the forensic psychologist comments. "This means that is a hybrid photo fit made to give an appearance from the region of the Maghreb. But why must the kidnapper be from Morocco, Spain or Portugal and cannot be Anglo-Saxon? It would even make more sense to be someone who knew the family routine", he concluded. If the PJ wants to use the video it is available on the Internet.
Ach ja Suko, al die schetsen en veranderende statements, ze kunnen er zelf al helemaal geen touw meer aan vast knopen, als men vanaf dag 1 de waarheid had gesproken en een duidelijke beschrijving van alles had gegeven zonder zelfgefabriceerde engerds en rare plotwendingen dan waren er heus niet zoveel ver uiteenlopende versies opgedoken.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 11:59 schreef Suko het volgende:
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Hooooooooooi Kahaarin. Indeed, en het is zo ongelofelijk doorzichtig, als het allemaal niet zo dieptriest was geweest zou je moeten denken aan een ordinaire b-film, met een volkomen minachting voor ten eerste Madeleine én het toekijkend publiek, waarvan de bedenkers+pers van deze pulp kennelijk van mening zijn dat wij er allemaal intrappen....not!
Zoals wij weten speurt het team McCann naar fora en bloggers die mogelijk schadelijk zijn voor de ouders. Nou had een oplettende poster van het inmiddels gesloten Mirror-forum de opvallende gelijkenis van de creepy man ontdekt tov Kate McCann zoals ik eerder heb gepost: [ afbeelding ]
Maar in een artikel op The Mirror werd een nieuwe e-fit gepubliceerd, kennelijk leek de ouwe e-fit toch iets teveel op Kate (en een beetje Gerry) en dat is nu 'gecorrigeerd' ...
[ afbeelding ] (in kleur) Zelf vind ik de nieuwe creep wel wat op Jeremy Wilkins (rechts dus) lijken, degene die even met Gerry op die fatale avond stond te beppen terwijl Jane Tanner voorbij wandelde. (But Mr Wilkins said he did not see Ms Tanner or the mystery man and that it would have been impossible for them to be there without him seeing them. bron)
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