Maddy MacCann: Loose Change. (15)

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Op woensdag 24 oktober 2007 12:05 schreef crohntje het volgende:
Jemig! Misschien ligt ze dan toch daar ergens in beton gestort bij het zwembad van die Murat! En dat is dan vlakbij het vakantiehuis van de familie. Dus dan heeft die helderziende van de Story gelijk! Dan wordt ze dus ook nog deze maand gevonden...

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But according to sources quoted in the newspaper 24 Horas ..

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Lawyers for the McCanns - who are both official suspects - will soon be allowed to see the police files on the case. Under Portugal's new penal code the secrecy laws covering the investigation will be lifted on November 14.

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Op woensdag 24 oktober 2007 12:55 schreef SunChaser het volgende:
Helderziende

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Op woensdag 24 oktober 2007 13:04 schreef SunChaser het volgende:
Die Mccans strooien steeds zelf met geruchten zodast t spoor naar hen steeds meer vervaagt

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Op woensdag 24 oktober 2007 13:01 schreef moussie het volgende:
erm ...
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dat jullie er nog serieus op ingaan ook

wel iets interessants gevonden tussen al dat geroddel over "tennis hebben gespeeld"
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=489218&in_page_id=1770&ito=1490

eindelijk, een datum ..

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Op woensdag 24 oktober 2007 13:18 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Nou, serieus op in gaan, ik zeg al: als dit waar is, ik had het hier neergegooid omdat het een keer iets anders is dan statements van de woordvoerder van de McCanns of allegations van de Portugezen.
Wat mij frappeerde is dat er zo duidelijk een tijdsspanne werd genoemd waarin dit bewijs gevonden zou zijn.
Die datum is fijn natuurlijk, nu maar hopen dat dit vrijgeven niet betekend dat er een heleboel in gecencureerd word, dat hebben we gezien toen in de USA oude FBI zaken vrijgegeven zouden worden, op sommige pagina's stond daar namelijk meer zwarte lijnen dan tekst.

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Op woensdag 24 oktober 2007 13:49 schreef moussie het volgende:

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tja, ik vermoed ook dat wij door moeten gaan met inschatten wat er loos is aan hand van de dingen die juist niet gebeuren ..
ter verduidelijking : zo hoor je bvb niets meer van het DNA-onderzoek dat volgens sommigen hun schuld zou bewijzen .. dat materiaal is vorige week maandag verstuurd en werd afgelopen zaterdag bij de politie verwacht .. het is inmiddels woensdag en we horen er verder niets meer over, daaruit zou je (nu al) kunnen afleiden dat de verwachte "overtuigende bewijzen van schuld" niet gevonden zijn, anders waren de McCanns al gearresteerd .. right ?

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Op woensdag 24 oktober 2007 14:32 schreef moussie het volgende:
idd, de hemel mag weten wat er allemaal op die "scraps of paper lying around everywhere" stond

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LONDON (Reuters) - The parents of Madeleine McCann believe their daughter is still alive and have hired private detectives to man a 24-hour phoneline in a new bid to find her, their spokesman said on Wednesday.

Kate and Gerry McCann, named by Portuguese police as formal suspects in the case, will give details of the Spanish-based phoneline during an interview on Spanish television.

"(They) will reiterate their firm belief that Madeleine is still alive," said spokesman Clarence Mitchell. "And they will urge anyone with information, no matter how minor it may seem to them, to contact a newly established, confidential 24-hour phone number."

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Op woensdag 24 oktober 2007 15:16 schreef moussie het volgende:
@ kahaarin .. een en hetzelfde bericht in alle mogelijke kranten .. niet zo gek toch ?

@ crohntje .. ik bedoel het artikel uit 24Horas, pulpkrant van de bovenste plank waarvan inmiddels overduidelijk is dat die geen boodschap hebben aan betrouwbaarheid en/of gevolgen van hetgeen ze plaatsen, als het maar verkoopt ..

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Op woensdag 24 oktober 2007 13:01 schreef moussie het volgende:
wel iets interessants gevonden tussen al dat geroddel over "tennis hebben gespeeld" [quote]Lawyers for the McCanns - who are both official suspects - will soon be allowed to see the police files on the case. Under Portugal's new penal code the secrecy laws covering the investigation will be lifted on November 14.

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Op zaterdag 20 oktober 2007 23:31 schreef Suko het volgende: Overigens schrijft een Portugese krant vandaag over die ontmoeting tussen PM Gordon Brown en José Sócrates, premier van Portugal: "The hypothesis that the parents are involved (in the disappearance) has been an uncomfortable one for the British (govt) who prefer to have some time to prepare public opinion for a turnaround. According to sources contacted by the CM, this could explain the reason why the British Prime Minister has asked Jose Socrates that the results of the tests (from Birmingham) are not published immediately in Portugal." Bron

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THE spokesman for the family of Madeleine McCann has reversed a statement made in the early days of the search for the missing child. Speaking to RTE's 'Prime Time', Clarence Mitchell said she could "easily" have been kidnapped by an abductor who did not leave the trail of a break-in.

However, in the early part of the hunt, friends and family members told journalists that the shutter on the apartment where the McCanns were staying had been broken. Mr Mitchell made his comments when questioned by a 'Prime Time' team in a report on the disappearance to be screened tomorrow. "There was no evidence of a break-in," said Mr Mitchell.

"I'm not going into the detail, but I can say that Kate and Gerry are firmly of the view that somebody got into the apartment and took Madeleine out the window as their means of escape, and to do that they did not necessarily have to tamper with anything. They got out of the window fairly easily."

Of the criticism that the McCanns left their children by themselves on four evenings while they went for dinner, Mr Mitchell said there was a cultural difference between Britain and Portugal. "It is a British approach to get your children washed, bathed and in bed early in the evening if you can so you can have something of the evening to yourself. That is the British way of doing things. It doesn't mean it's wrong. It doesn't mean it's right," he said.

"Nobody feels more guilty than Gerry and Kate over the decision they took jointly to leave their children in that position that night. And they will never forgive themselves. They've said this often. "Nobody feels more guilty than they that Madeleine was alone when she was taken. However, they felt they had a perfectly proper system of checking (her in place)."

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Was there anything strange about the room after Madeleine disappeared? Mrs McCann was sure Madeleine had been abducted because the bedroom window was open and the security shutter was forced open, a source close to the family has insisted. Tests on the shutter showed no sign of forced entry. However, another friend claimed yesterday that the shutter had been left open.

Why was Madeleine’s bedroom window and shutter open?
Kate and Gerry McCann told police that the window shutter in Madeleine’s bedroom, which could not been seen from the restaurant, had been forced open. Police tests showed the heavy metal shutter had not been forced up from the outside, so must have been pulled open from inside the room. Assuming that the abductor entered through the apartment’s unlocked patio windows, why would he or she not leave by the same way or the use the front door? Or was the window opened to make it appear as if an intruder had used it to enter the bedroom?

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OPEN LETTER TO KATE MCCANN

Yes, Kate,

It isn’t your breast size or weight that is causing your problems. It is you and your narcissist evaluation of the situation and your PR team’s equally stupid assessment of the situation that is making you look so bad in the public eye.

I am a criminal profiler with years of experience dealing with parents of murder victims and missing relatives. Your behavior and the behavior of your husband fall far outside or the norm for grieving parents. Now, this may be because you are just terribly narcisstic folks who had nothing to do with your child going missing (outside of neglecting your children and putting your needs to party before their needs for comfort and safety, a narcissistic behavior if I have ever seen one). You and Gerry may simply be so narcissistic you have no understanding of how other people view your behaviors and your PR team may share your narcissism so that no one on your team has a clue to normal human behavior.

But, SHUT UP! Every time you open your mouths you do more damage to yourselves. You seem guiltier by the day. Your attempt at “damage control” is so obvious and so very much a day late and a dollar short, everything you do or say seems a cover up and a transparent attempt at proving your innocence.

Let me make clear what I think is weird about what you say and do:

You choose words about Madeleine’s disappearance which make it appear you know there is no abductor and that Madeleine is dead.

Both you and Gerry state your only guilt in the matter is not being their when Madeleine “was taken.” This statement makes no sense for abduction as Madeleine could not be taken if either of you were with Maddie when an abductor would have shown up. It makes more sense in the context that Maddie died while you were not in the apartment.

Your statements and attitude about Madeleine being alive do not square with parents who really believe their daughter is in the hands of a pedophile or pedophiles who are brutally raping and torturing her daily.

Your attempts at “finding” Madeleine do not represent the manner most parents would choose if they were actively searching for a live child but appear more to be the actions of parents trying to prove after the fact of a child’s death that they “cared” (not care) about her.

Your behaviors of “keeping a normal routine” and “keeping up one’s appearance” is admirable, but extremely bizarre. I don’t know any other parents of missing children who can appear so together and cheery. When my daughter cooked our kittens by accident in the dryer, I cancelled Christmas.

Gerry’s blog creeps people out. It is too upbeat. Terrified and distraught parents of missing children are rarely able to jog and play tennis and go to park with their other kids and have a fun time. Over a long period of time, maybe, but this is usually years after the nightmare begins. Some parents never recover from the trauma and it is common for marriages to fail and the brothers and sisters to feel their parents went absent after their sibling went missing.

Your ability to sleep at night after the first five days, Kate, is beyond belief. It is the behavior of one who already knows the answer and even then, is quite a narcissistic trait. If you believed your daughter was being raped as you lay in bed at night, sleep would be very hard to come by. I guess you finally realize this and your mother is saying that NOW you can’t sleep and Madeleine comes to visit you in the night. What changed, Kate?

Your PR team coming up with an answer to every accusation, answers that are ludicrous in themselves, makes you seem awfully defensive, and, if there is no way you or Gerry had anything to do with Maddie’s disappearance, you have nothing to defend. Furthermore, if all you care about is finding Maddie, you shouldn’t be wasting your time on such silliness. After all, as Gerry said, Maddie is the only important thing, right?

So, SHUT UP, Kate. SHUT UP, GERRY. Fire your PR team as they are totally worthless. If both of you really are innocent and your think Maddie is alive, return to Portugal. Start searching for real (and it took six months to set up a hotline?). Cooperate with the police. Take the polygraphs as you have zero to hide and, with competent polygraph examiners, the questions are so simple you can’t screw them up. I will even give you the four questions that should be asked:

“Did Madeleine die while you were present?”
“Did you return to the apartment and find Madeleine dying or dead?”
“Did you move Madeleine’s body at any time?”
“Did your spouse move Madeleine’s body at any time?"

These are simple questions. The answer to all of them should be “No.” There is no ambiguity in these questions (unlike a question such as “Do you feel responsible for the disappearance of Madeleine?” which you could if you acknowledge leaving her without an adult caretaker is irresponsible; an affirmative answer to such a question would be useless to the detectives as it could falsely indicate that you had something to do with Maddie going missing when you are only feeling guilty over leaving her unattended. Also, an affirmative answer could mean you simply do not feel responsible for what happened to Maddie no matter what happened to her as a total narcissist might).

The above four questions are simple and unambiguous and even a narcissist can’t misconstrue the meaning of the questions. The answers will be a simple “Yes” or “No.” Have the polygraph session videotaped so the police will be unable to do any underhanded scare tactics or interrogation that might distort the results of the tests.

Quite frankly, Kate, you and Gerry had everything going for you as parents of a missing child if you hadn’t left your children unattended night after night to go out partying. THIS is what made people dislike you. It was to your advantage that you are both relatively attractive people because IF you had big breasts and a porky physique and were not well-heeled professionals, you would have become suspects right off the bat and you would have not had the incredible monetary support you have been blessed with nor all those kindly letters. You would have been viewed as just a pair of slobs who probably abused their children as well as neglected them and you wouldn’t have gotten the phenomenal amount of publicity worldwide concerning Maddie’s disappearance. Other parents have gone public, run campaigns, and had web sites, but your fortune with publicity and support has been unprecedented. And, you complain, Kate, that people are treating you badly because you are fit! It was being fit and professional and well-off that got you so much attention. It was you and Gerry’s fitness as parents and your peculiar behaviors that got you the negative attention.

I have a final suggestion. Why don’t you use your fund to have me go to Portugal to work with the PJ? As a criminal profiler I can analyze the actual evidence to advise the investigators as to the best investigate strategy. I have no problem determining this crime as an abduction and finding the creep that took Madeleine if the evidence points that way. I don’t have to like you and Gerry as people to view the evidence in an impassionate and professional manner. No one should be convicted of a crime simply because of personality and because people don’t like the individual’s personality. Solid physical and circumstantial evidence must exist to the point where there is no question as to who committed the crime. I would work very diligently to assist the PJ with the evidence and the facts and do a thorough crime scene analysis that would move the case forward.

Furthermore, if you and Gerry get charged in Madeleine’s disappearance and must truly defend yourselves, my services are available to you and your lawyers. I will be more than happy to analyze the evidence and, if you are innocent, do all I can to serve in your defense.

Good luck, Kate. May the truth be brought to light soon and you and Gerry get the justice you deserve in the case of your missing daughter.

All the best,

Criminal Profiler Pat Brown

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Op donderdag 25 oktober 2007 09:54 schreef Suko het volgende:
Zal mij benieuwen of er dan daadwerkelijk resultaten (naar waarheid) naar buiten komen, vooralsnog moet ik steeds aan dit eerder geplaatste stukje denken:

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Ik denk dat wij het nog voorlopig met verhalen moeten doen die de media ons voorschotelen en daarmee gepaard gaande de fora lekker gevuld blijven. Nu zie je voornamelijk reacties vanuit het McCann-kamp, vooral nu, na zowat een half jaar, (bedacht) zielig doen, wat natuurlijk helemaal niet overkomt, integendeel.

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Overigens gaf woordvoerder Clarense Mitchell een opmerkelijk interview in een nog uit te zenden programma, RTE's 'Prime Time', independent.ie:
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Maar eerder in vele kranten (ook de Guardian en nog een keer in de Guardian) gelezen waaronder The Times:
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Het begint er op te lijken dat eerdere aannames nu worden aangepast om beter te passen in het ontvoeringsverhaal.

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Nog een opmerkelijke visie van een Amerikaanse Criminal Profiler Pat Brown, haar zie ik wel eens in programma's over misdaad op o.a. Discovery. Op een aantal onderdelen kan ik mij wel vinden in haar ietwat typische (hysterische) Amerikaanse benadering, maar het is meer interessant leesvoer en een beetje (veel) egotripperij:

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Op donderdag 25 oktober 2007 09:54 schreef Suko het volgende:
Nog een opmerkelijke visie van een Amerikaanse Criminal Profiler Pat Brown, haar zie ik wel eens in programma's over misdaad op o.a. Discovery. Op een aantal onderdelen kan ik mij wel vinden in haar ietwat typische (hysterische) Amerikaanse benadering, maar het is meer interessant leesvoer en een beetje (veel) egotripperij:
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Op donderdag 25 oktober 2007 11:02 schreef moussie het volgende:
wat een maf mens, denkt ze dat de McCanns masochist zijn of zo .. eerst gaat ze ze beledigen en uitschelden om aan het eind van de brief naar een baantje te hengelen en in toon zowat 180º te draaien

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Op donderdag 25 oktober 2007 11:02 schreef moussie het volgende:

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erm .. 24 horas .. need I say more ?
[..]Dat is wel zo, heb je gelijk in, maar onderhand wordt het wel een beetje genant dat met name de serieuze journalistiek niet eens gaat onderzoeken óf het rapport al in Portugal en zo niet, waarom niet. Ik denk eigenlijk dat de uiteindelijke resultaten nog steeds niet binnen zijn, de BBC op 21 okt j.l: "He said the police may wait for final results of tests being carried out by Britain's Forensic Science Service." "And Mr Ribeiro said DNA analysis of samples recovered from the McCanns' holiday apartment and hire car could offer "definitive help" in establishing what happened to Madeleine."

het enige positieve hieraan is dat je de media-aandacht vast blijft houden .. en was dat niet ergens de bedoeling, zorgen dat het oh zo vergeetachtige publiek het niet vergeet ? Nou de bedoeling was én is om Madeleine te zoeken/vinden, wat ik zie, en een heleboel anderen, is Kate en Gerry bezig, nog steeds, met een PR-campagne om vooral hun naam te zuiveren ipv nou eens echt mee te werken met de Portugese politie. Ik heb al in een véél eerder stadium gepost dat ze allang al met de poten in het Portugese zand/klei hadden moeten staan (lang voordat ze verdacht werden), maar nee, wat ze wel deze deden is alles voor henzelf behalve alles voor Madeleine....
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puur semantisch gezien is het natuurlijk ook geen inbraak maar een uitbraak ..
en tja, als jij je huis binnen komt lopen, je ziet meteen dat er iets mist en er staat een raam open .. wat denk jij dan ? Mi denkt een overgrote meerderheid dan dat er iemand door het raam binnen is gekomen, toch ? Er zou met die shutters zijn gerommeld (in- of uitbraak maakt niet uit) werd in het begin door iedereen en de McCanns zelf stellig beweerd, maar Clarence Mitchell meldt nu iets heel anders...
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wat een maf mens, denkt ze dat de McCanns masochist zijn of zo .. eerst gaat ze ze beledigen en uitschelden om aan het eind van de brief naar een baantje te hengelen en in toon zowat 180º te draaien

Ik denk dat het laatste stuk vooral cynisch moet worden gelezen wetend dat de McCanss Pat Brown never nooit zullen inhuren...

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Op donderdag 25 oktober 2007 11:47 schreef Suko het volgende:
Zo, geen nieuws verder, wij gaan weer over tot de lurkstand.

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Nou de bedoeling was én is om Madeleine te zoeken/vinden, wat ik zie, en een heleboel anderen, is Kate en Gerry bezig, nog steeds, met een PR-campagne om vooral hun naam te zuiveren ipv nou eens echt mee te werken met de Portugese politie. Ik heb al in een véél eerder stadium gepost dat ze allang al met de poten in het Portugese zand/klei hadden moeten staan (lang voordat ze verdacht werden), maar nee, wat ze wel deze deden is alles voor henzelf behalve alles voor Madeleine....